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Shizuken
Venerated Stars
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Posted - 2012.09.27 23:01:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Naturally, this thread will be hijacked by the null sec zealots screaming "nerf high sec!", but does anyone at CCP, who is not part of the null sec cadre, have any idea why plex prices are out of control, and have numbers to back it up?
As someone else said, what is wrong with them. Do you think CCP is secretly taking them from player hangars decreasing supply? Or do you think they should release a few thousand from their strategic reserve to soften demand?
The simple fact is, there is more demand relative to supply. Look at the trading volumes, if they are going up then demand is increasing. If they are flat or going down then supply is decreasing. Withou looking at the numbers, I actually think more people are consuming them instead of just flipping them. That is shrinking the quantity of them in circulation. Trust me, when they hit 1bil ISK CCP wont need to put them on sale to move them. Stop acting like you are entitled to expend a fixed amount of effort to play the game for free. |
Omega Sunset
Caldari Roughnecks
57
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Posted - 2012.09.27 23:02:00 -
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I wonder how many plex are being sold vs. being used. I do think that supply is there, but mostly being held onto until the price is right. I sold one a couple months ago for the hell of it after a sale, it took 8 seconds, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's still sitting in someones stash waiting for resale. Well, they're here to stay, and since recent game updates driving interest, the price has never been higher, and I doubt will return to previous lows unless/until CCP screws up the winter expansion *cough - nerfs*.
But yeah, with easy ISK, more people are probably mass hording them for resale. imo if CCP turns off the gushing lowsec ISK spicket, quits trying to lure hisec peeps into lowsec (FW isk boon etc), maybe plex prices will stabilize. Just imo since I'm neutral in this, I don't use them but pay by the year (it's cheap) and EVE isn't my second job but do stuff simply for fun. |
Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
4268
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Posted - 2012.09.27 23:04:00 -
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So what exactly does it take now a days to make enough isk to plex a single account with only one character?
Or have we reached a point where the price of plex has rendered that impossible.
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
2347
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Posted - 2012.09.27 23:06:00 -
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Paul Oliver wrote:So what exactly does it take now a days to make enough isk to plex a single account with only one character?
Or have we reached a point where the price of plex has rendered that impossible.
Pfft, plex could be 2b each and people would still buy them 
"A genius throws a Molotov cocktail and soon realizes that he's going to die choking in a maze of smoke and flame. A hero drinks a Molotov cocktail and soon realizes that if he does a split in midair, he can hit twice as many zombies per kick. Drunk hero wins again, wusses." ~Cracked.com |
Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion
Fatal Ascension
1201
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Posted - 2012.09.27 23:07:00 -
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Paul Oliver wrote:So what exactly does it take now a days to make enough isk to plex a single account with only one character?
Or have we reached a point where the price of plex has rendered that impossible.
Apparently a lot of people think the answer to that might be "sit in a mackinaw 23.5/7" so they all tried it at the same time. 
He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller.
-Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
1164
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Posted - 2012.09.27 23:07:00 -
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Paul Oliver wrote:So what exactly does it take now a days to make enough isk to plex a single account with only one character?
Or have we reached a point where the price of plex has rendered that impossible.
570 mil / mo?
I paid for my PLEX by doing market scamming... but I'm in the process of going legit and becoming a market speculator. 
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Mars Theran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
318
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Posted - 2012.09.27 23:08:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:As expected, bunch of posts pushing various agendas.
Frankly, I have no real clue what is causing a record high in price.
And I would truly like CCP to explain what is happening.
They have a wealth of numbers, and I would love for one of then to take up the challenge of deriving an explanation and providing it.
I'm pretty sure it's been higher, if only briefly. This is more long term, and probably will continue as a trend if Gogela's price history is any indication.
Maybe I was actually sleeping in front of my computer and dreamed I posted. Certainly, it's not there now. |
Touval Lysander
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
154
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Posted - 2012.09.27 23:15:00 -
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People buy PLEX from CCP to cash in for isk.
A higher price will help increase supply.
Relax.
I'm not boffered. Do I look boffered? |
Mars Theran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
318
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Posted - 2012.09.27 23:17:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Paul Oliver wrote:So what exactly does it take now a days to make enough isk to plex a single account with only one character?
Or have we reached a point where the price of plex has rendered that impossible. Pfft, plex could be 2b each and people would still buy them
Not this toon 
Maybe I was actually sleeping in front of my computer and dreamed I posted. Certainly, it's not there now. |
iskflakes
Magnets Inc.
73
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Posted - 2012.09.27 23:18:00 -
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When a player can earn 180 billion ISK in a week by being AFK, what do you think the price of PLEX is going to do every time minmatar hits T5?
Track your wealth with EVE Stats: https://ohheck.co.uk/EVEStats/home.php |
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Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
226
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Posted - 2012.09.27 23:29:00 -
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word on the gates is somebody cashed in a crap ton of high valued assets and bought it all.
There just isn't anything intresting on the front page of the GD anymore. Yawn! |
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
777
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Posted - 2012.09.28 00:48:00 -
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James 315 wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Naturally, this thread will be hijacked by the null sec zealots screaming "nerf high sec!", but does anyone at CCP, who is not part of the null sec cadre, have any idea why plex prices are out of control, and have numbers to back it up? I'm not at CCP, and I am a nullsec zealot screaming "nerf high sec!", but I'll answer anyway: Highsec PLEX'ers driving up the price with easy AFK FW isk.
fixed.... seriously you think it was mining isk? |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
2347
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Posted - 2012.09.28 00:49:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Paul Oliver wrote:So what exactly does it take now a days to make enough isk to plex a single account with only one character?
Or have we reached a point where the price of plex has rendered that impossible. Pfft, plex could be 2b each and people would still buy them Not this toon
And that is why you don't have a monocle 
"A genius throws a Molotov cocktail and soon realizes that he's going to die choking in a maze of smoke and flame. A hero drinks a Molotov cocktail and soon realizes that if he does a split in midair, he can hit twice as many zombies per kick. Drunk hero wins again, wusses." ~Cracked.com |
Amber Coldheart
State War Academy
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.09.28 02:21:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Naturally, this thread will be hijacked by the null sec zealots screaming "nerf high sec!", but does anyone at CCP, who is not part of the null sec cadre, have any idea why plex prices are out of control, and have numbers to back it up?
Because demand is far higher than the supply ?
As for numbers, after making myself 3 alts so i could look at the 4 major hubs :
Dodixie : 91 available, 570m lowest price
Amarr : 97 available, 570m lowest price
Rens : 45 available, 581m lowest price
Jita : 500+ available (i gave up counting at 550 or something), 559m lowest price.
So the easy conclusion, buy in Jita and sell elsewhere (which is the truncated story of EVE, hehe).
Market tip of the day is then undoubtedly to buy 50 plex's from Jita, load them up in a shuttle, and travel to Rens on autopilot
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
754
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Posted - 2012.09.28 02:25:00 -
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If I don't have money to pay for my account, as I often do, I find that I'm going to have to unsubscribe.
I simply have no real incentive to keep playing the game if all I'm doing is PVE just to afford to play the game.
PLEX prices need to go down otherwise this is going to become an option that is completely unavailable to me and many other players.
http://themittani.com/features/local-problem
A simple fix to the local intel problem |
Brooks Puuntai
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
815
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Posted - 2012.09.28 02:32:00 -
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One comment from CCP I would like to hear is the effect of bots on the Plex prices(demand). When they use to be just GTCs it was easy to spot that the prices where inflated due to bots, when ever there was a mass banning then prices would tank. Now with plexes its tricky to spot the connection. |
Amber Coldheart
State War Academy
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.09.28 02:43:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:If I don't have money to pay for my account, as I often do, I find that I'm going to have to unsubscribe.
I simply have no real incentive to keep playing the game if all I'm doing is PVE just to afford to play the game.
PLEX prices need to go down otherwise this is going to become an option that is completely unavailable to me and many other players.
I dont disagree with the prices being too high, but its a player driven market. People forking out real money for a plex naturally wants as big a return as possible, and the customer wants it at the lowest price possible.
I dont see how its *that* hard though, to make 500 - 600 mill a month, you are, unless i am mistaken in a big alliance, surely you have ways of making cash down there ?
All i hear about is people talking about soloing level 5's in 0.0, raking in a couple of hundred mill an hour, and so on.
Then again, from others, i hear that there is no money in 0.0 for most people and that they have hi sec mission running alts *shrugs*
ah well.. long story short, there are only two ways of making the price go down. Either people stop buying, or there is a massive influx of new plex'es onto the market, forcing price down through competition. Neither of those seems probable. |
ACE McFACE
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
824
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Posted - 2012.09.28 02:43:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:As expected, bunch of posts pushing various agendas.
Frankly, I have no real clue what is causing a record high in price.
And I would truly like CCP to explain what is happening.
They have a wealth of numbers, and I would love for one of then to take up the challenge of deriving an explanation and providing it.
So I guess this answer is pushing someone's null-sec agenda?
Quote:Supply and Demand.
Less players supplying, more players demanding.
This is so easy. Next question?
If you're not going to accept actual answers don't ask the question
"7 pages of people insulting me - aka trolling" - Lady Hofstedar
What s/he (probobly he) meant:
"7 pages of people disagreeing with my terrible idea - aka trolling" - Lady Hofstedar |
Skydell
Space Mermaids
Somethin Awfull Forums
293
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Posted - 2012.09.28 02:52:00 -
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You don't have to buy them. If they don't sell for what I want, I will use them myself. |
Guile SONICBOOM
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.09.28 02:53:00 -
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People without jobs due to the crappy Europe and (eventually welfare america) Socialism and Russian Communism want to play without paying.
Due to the economy more welfare hand out parasites want to play eve without paying money, so the demand for PLEX rises.
At the same time the supply of PLEX drops, its a twofold effect.
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Ghazu
200
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Posted - 2012.09.28 03:14:00 -
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Dinsdale you sure bitche a lot. |
Touval Lysander
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
159
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Posted - 2012.09.28 03:45:00 -
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Amber Coldheart wrote:Market tip of the day is then undoubtedly to buy 50 plex's from Jita, load them up in a shuttle, and travel to Rens on autopilot
And yell out when ya do. We'll provide escort.
No. We will. Yes. What? |
San Severina
Hoplite Brigade
33
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Posted - 2012.09.28 04:09:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Mars Theran wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Paul Oliver wrote:So what exactly does it take now a days to make enough isk to plex a single account with only one character?
Or have we reached a point where the price of plex has rendered that impossible. Pfft, plex could be 2b each and people would still buy them Not this toon And that is why you don't have a monocle
could be people don't have monocles for other reasons, just like some people refuse to fly business or own an exotic car, it's all so terribly nouveau & vulgar.
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
310
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Posted - 2012.09.28 04:19:00 -
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Guile SONICBOOM wrote:People without jobs due to the crappy Europe and (eventually welfare america) Socialism and Russian Communism want to play without paying.
Due to the economy more welfare hand out parasites want to play eve without paying money, so the demand for PLEX rises.
At the same time the supply of PLEX drops, its a twofold effect.
Vote NO for OBAMA.
Romney 2012, will destroy this weak communism and restore the economy.
Thank goodness for your insight. We would all be lost without it.
BTW, you might want to look at one of the powerhouses keeping the planet's economy spinning, some place called Germany. You might want to look at their socio-economic structure, before you enlighten us about socialism.
Oh yeah, and you might also want to look at Canada's economy, you know, that country with gasp....free medical care for all.
Oh, and let's not forget that other weak sister, China, that bastion of democracy.
But thank you for the lessen about supply and demand in plexes.
I kind of understand how that works, now.
You have taught me what a 4 year university degree in economics could not.
What I would like to understand are the driving factors in the latest 2 spikes.
CCP has a ton of data locked away in the databases and logs, and they have an economist on staff.
I would say giving said economist the task of explaining the spikes might be a good place to start. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
284
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Posted - 2012.09.28 04:20:00 -
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It's OK OP. I saw this thread and unlike the rest of the people here, I actually did something to help.
I put a few contracts up with plex for 350m isk. You should grab them quick though, at that price they'll go fast. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
367
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Posted - 2012.09.28 06:25:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Naturally, this thread will be hijacked by the null sec zealots screaming "nerf high sec!", but does anyone at CCP, who is not part of the null sec cadre, have any idea why plex prices are out of control, and have numbers to back it up?
I suspect spacerich NULL SEC CSMs will get the jump on Dr E's release on any CONFISCATED PLEX price relief & it'll fail to reduce the price signicantly as the SPACERICH GET RICHER
Its the SAME in RL why would Eve be any different
Nostalgie ist die Faehigkeit, darueber zu trauern, dass es nicht mehr so
ist, wie es frueher nicht gewesen ist. -- Manfred Rommel-á |
TharOkha
0asis Group
73
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Posted - 2012.09.28 06:57:00 -
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James 315 wrote:Highsec PLEX'ers driving up the price with easy AFK mining isk.
We all know your enthusiatic love toward miners James , but im affraid that this is not the problem now. Easy made FW income is the cause.
GÇ£If reality can destroy the dream, why shouldn't the dream destroy reality?GÇ¥ |
Doctor Gordon Freeman
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.09.28 06:57:00 -
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This is a simplistic theory/treatise. I have tried to be accurate, satirical, and make a pointless point. It would have been better as a cartoon or video, but I don't have time, I need to make some isk ;)
one final note: yes, I have an agenda, haha.
ccp has made a spreadsheet that shows several data elements ... in theory of course
one, the number of accounts (two + three)
two, the number of accounts paid for with real money via subscriptions, plex Purchased from ccp, gametime cards, etc.
three, the number of accounts paid for with plex purchased in game
four, the real cash income per month from number two
five, the average cash income per month per account. (four / one)
six, the average market price of plex.
Obviously CCP controls the RL $ price of plex, but could CCP be conducting experiments on us by making shadow purchases of plex ingame, and studying the outcome on their spreadsheet, observing the relationships between the variables as number six is experimentally manipulated?
How would we know? Is it a conspiracy to maximize number four and number five, lol? Is it far-fetched bunk?
Does anyone feel it's become a greater and exciting challenge over the last year to pay for your account with plex instead of real money?
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
1172
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Posted - 2012.09.28 07:15:00 -
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I'll say one more thing about PLEX... and it's often lost in this debate but I think it's an important point. What is your time worth? If it takes more than 3 hours to make enough for a PLEX it's not worth it even if you are on minimum wage. I got the PLEX I needed to advance my sub a couple of years, but really looking back I'm almost sorry I did. I made a ton of isk doing market scams, and because zero effort was involved it seemed like an easy choice. But really... if I had to actually earn my ISK I'd just pay for the sub. I make more than minimum wage. It's not worth the time to grind. Str8 up yo. I'm here to have fun, and grinding to pay for my account doesn't sound like much fun.
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Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
183
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Posted - 2012.09.28 08:18:00 -
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Gogela wrote:I'll say one more thing about PLEX... and it's often lost in this debate but I think it's an important point. What is your time worth? If it takes more than 3 hours to make enough for a PLEX it's not worth it even if you are on minimum wage. I got the PLEX I needed to advance my sub a couple of years, but really looking back I'm almost sorry I did. I made a ton of isk doing market scams, and because zero effort was involved it seemed like an easy choice. But really... if I had to actually earn my ISK I'd just pay for the sub. I make more than minimum wage. It's not worth the time to grind. Str8 up yo. I'm here to have fun, and grinding to pay for my account doesn't sound like much fun.
Yeah I'm in the same boat. 15 bucks to me isn't even something I consider money, its nothing. I make that in roughly 10 minutes of work. When I poop at work in the morning, I make a PLEX. So spending a couple of hours grinding something in Eve to earn ISK for a PLEX is silly. I would be more likely to buy PLEX for real cash but I don't have economic problem in game any more than I have out of game so for the most part PLEX is irrelevant to me.
One thing I do like about PLEX is that it sets a real world value for ISK. If nothing else its interesting to do the math when you get blown up or blow someone up.
The reality of Eve is that, if you don't love it like it is today, you should probobly go ahead and unsub.-á |
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