Naturally, this thread will be hijacked by the null sec zealots screaming "nerf high sec!", but does anyone at CCP, who is not part of the null sec cadre, have any idea why plex prices are out of control, and have numbers to back it up?

why plex prices are out of control

My advice? If you need PLEX to run your account... buy now. It's going to get crazy.

I think PLEX prices are going to be over 750 mil ea by mid December.

I'm not at CCP, and I am a nullsec zealot screaming "nerf high sec!", but I'll answer anyway:

Highsec PLEX'ers driving up the price with easy AFK mining isk.

I'm not at CCP, and I am a nullsec zealot screaming "nerf high sec!", but I'll answer anyway:

Highsec PLEX'ers driving up the price with easy AFK mining isk.

I reckon I bought more after reading this than you did

Yah I PLEXed out both of my accounts to late 2014 a few months ago anticipating this. I was hesitant to go out so far because I wasn't sure if CCP would even last that long, but having played the DUST beta now I am really sold. It's going to be a very good game... and will have more depth than any FPS anyone has ever played. I figured the probability of CCP pulling it off was pretty slim, but now it looks to me like they've got a winner. The market implications for EvE will be profound. This game was long overdue for a big shake-up, and I really think we are going to get it. There's going to be ample opportunity for EvE players to get rich on the changes, but there's also going to be a lot more competition across the board. Now is the buyers market for all things EvE. The sellers market is going to explode after the winter expansion and when everyone in EvE knows what DUST is bringing in.

...just my 2 isk

Supply and Demand.

Less players supplying, more players demanding.

This is so easy. Next question?

Keep your isk! This isn't a charity!

PLEX prices are fine, if anything they're valued too low. ISK is so easy to get right now, not counting FW farming.

Naturally, this thread will be hijacked by the null sec zealots screaming "nerf high sec!", but does anyone at CCP, who is not part of the null sec cadre, have any idea why plex prices are out of control, and have numbers to back it up?

It's kind of interesting how the plex prices spike after a T5 cashout ... I'm sure FW had nothing to do with it though, and it's all a nullsec conspiracy backed by CCP.

Naturally, this thread will be hijacked by the null sec zealots screaming "nerf high sec!", but does anyone at CCP, who is not part of the null sec cadre, have any idea why plex prices are out of control, and have numbers to back it up?

So what exactly does it take now a days to make enough isk to plex a single account with only one character?

Or have we reached a point where the price of plex has rendered that impossible.

So what exactly does it take now a days to make enough isk to plex a single account with only one character?

Or have we reached a point where the price of plex has rendered that impossible.

So what exactly does it take now a days to make enough isk to plex a single account with only one character?

Or have we reached a point where the price of plex has rendered that impossible.

As expected, bunch of posts pushing various agendas.
Frankly, I have no real clue what is causing a record high in price.

And I would truly like CCP to explain what is happening.
They have a wealth of numbers, and I would love for one of then to take up the challenge of deriving an explanation and providing it.

Pfft, plex could be 2b each and people would still buy them

I'm not at CCP, and I am a nullsec zealot screaming "nerf high sec!", but I'll answer anyway:

Highsec PLEX'ers driving up the price with easy AFK FW isk.

Not this toon

Naturally, this thread will be hijacked by the null sec zealots screaming "nerf high sec!", but does anyone at CCP, who is not part of the null sec cadre, have any idea why plex prices are out of control, and have numbers to back it up?

If I don't have money to pay for my account, as I often do, I find that I'm going to have to unsubscribe.

I simply have no real incentive to keep playing the game if all I'm doing is PVE just to afford to play the game.

PLEX prices need to go down otherwise this is going to become an option that is completely unavailable to me and many other players.

As expected, bunch of posts pushing various agendas.
Frankly, I have no real clue what is causing a record high in price.

And I would truly like CCP to explain what is happening.
They have a wealth of numbers, and I would love for one of then to take up the challenge of deriving an explanation and providing it.

Supply and Demand.

Less players supplying, more players demanding.

This is so easy. Next question?

Market tip of the day is then undoubtedly to buy 50 plex's from Jita, load them up in a shuttle, and travel to Rens on autopilot

And that is why you don't have a monocle

People without jobs due to the crappy Europe and (eventually welfare america) Socialism and Russian Communism want to play without paying.

Due to the economy more welfare hand out parasites want to play eve without paying money, so the demand for PLEX rises.

At the same time the supply of PLEX drops, its a twofold effect.

Vote NO for OBAMA.

Romney 2012, will destroy this weak communism and restore the economy.

Naturally, this thread will be hijacked by the null sec zealots screaming "nerf high sec!", but does anyone at CCP, who is not part of the null sec cadre, have any idea why plex prices are out of control, and have numbers to back it up?

Highsec PLEX'ers driving up the price with easy AFK mining isk.

I'll say one more thing about PLEX... and it's often lost in this debate but I think it's an important point. What is your time worth? If it takes more than 3 hours to make enough for a PLEX it's not worth it even if you are on minimum wage. I got the PLEX I needed to advance my sub a couple of years, but really looking back I'm almost sorry I did. I made a ton of isk doing market scams, and because zero effort was involved it seemed like an easy choice. But really... if I had to actually earn my ISK I'd just pay for the sub. I make more than minimum wage. It's not worth the time to grind. Str8 up yo. I'm here to have fun, and grinding to pay for my account doesn't sound like much fun.

I'm not at CCP, and I am a nullsec zealot screaming "nerf high sec!", but I'll answer anyway:

Highsec PLEX'ers driving up the price with easy AFK mining isk.

The thing is. FW doesn't create any isks at all. So that isk has to come from somewhere else and as such other people should have less isks for plex's or need to sell more plex's. As such FW can't be an explanation on its own.

So what exactly does it take now a days to make enough isk to plex a single account with only one character?

Or have we reached a point where the price of plex has rendered that impossible.

anyone at CCP, who is not part of the null sec cadre

Yeah I'm in the same boat. 15 bucks to me isn't even something I consider money, its nothing. I make that in roughly 10 minutes of work. When I poop at work in the morning, I make a PLEX. So spending a couple of hours grinding something in Eve to earn ISK for a PLEX is silly. I would be more likely to buy PLEX for real cash but I don't have economic problem in game any more than I have out of game so for the most part PLEX is irrelevant to me.

One thing I do like about PLEX is that it sets a real world value for ISK. If nothing else its interesting to do the math when you get blown up or blow someone up.

The isk is already in the economy. Many Eve players are sitting on large amounts of isk.

What FW does is MOVE the isk. (Same with mining for that matter). When someone who was once poor now becomes isk rich they are quite likely to invest the isk in more accounts.

Wot m8?

Have you ever studied economics? Or looked at why people who have studied economics study video game MMOs?

ANY activity in a game that people do for money is creating money.

In fact the only money making ways that don't make money out of thin air are:

• Scamming
• Hostage taking/ransoms
• Taking advantage of buying goods and then selling them on
• Buying materials and then using them to make goods to sell

They are the only activities that move money around.

Learning is fun.

Naturally, this thread will be hijacked by the null sec zealots screaming "nerf high sec!", but does anyone at CCP, who is not part of the null sec cadre, have any idea why plex prices are out of control, and have numbers to back it up?

Naturally, this thread will be hijacked by the null sec zealots screaming "nerf high sec!", but does anyone at CCP, who is not part of the null sec cadre, have any idea why plex prices are out of control, and have numbers to back it up?

It's totally NOT the faction warfare people exploiting at all. It MUST be the miners.



Obviously, CCP has already done something about it, they ran a special on plex prices. I have no doubt they'll do it again, and soon.

...
Frankly, I have no real clue ...

Yah I PLEXed out both of my accounts to late 2014 a few months ago anticipating this.

this is why they should make implant scanner modules and BUFF pirating instead of continuously nerfing it...pirating should be the same importance (happens the same amount) as FW in lowsec, especially in non FW systems

Buffing pirates is like buffing the Ebola virus. Yes, in the short term you make it really awesome, but you wind up killing it in the long term (due to a lack of victims/hosts.)

I put a few contracts up with plex for 350m isk. You should grab them quick though, at that price they'll go fast.

never understand how it can do the job at all. To complete this contract people need to already have PLEX. But if you have 1+ PLEX and buy another you are most likely rich experienced player so you won't fall to this scam. And poor unexperienced player doesn't have free PLEXes to complete such contract....

never understand how it can do the job at all. To complete this contract people need to already have PLEX. But if you have 1+ PLEX and buy another you are most likely rich experienced player so you won't fall to this scam. And poor unexperienced player doesn't have free PLEXes to complete such contract....

CCP Official Statement: No comment at this time, CCP is dedicated to contining enhancing and improving game play,with providing a free market economy without regulation.

It's totally NOT the faction warfare people exploiting at all. It MUST be the miners.



Obviously, CCP has already done something about it, they ran a special on plex prices. I have no doubt they'll do it again, and soon.

Supply and Demand.

Less players supplying, more players demanding.

This is so easy. Next question?

I'm not at CCP, and I am a nullsec zealot screaming "nerf high sec!", but I'll answer anyway:

Highsec PLEX'ers driving up the price with easy AFK mining isk.

Faction Warfare.

Plexes are rising because:

Multiple Events:

FW
Mining
Stagnating 0.0 (moar bears)
More vets with lots of isk and knowlage returning
Ppl with lots of isk are not rly convinced eve is worth $$ for

Just wait for the server experts to come into this thread and explain why there is no co-relation between empty server and inflation. They do such a good job proving things like this.

The isk is already in the economy. Many Eve players are sitting on large amounts of isk.

What FW does is MOVE the isk. (Same with mining for that matter). When someone who was once poor now becomes isk rich they are quite likely to invest the isk in more accounts.

I think what we're seeing is a lot of isk movement between players. If player A has 5 accounts and earns 2.5b per month and player B has 1 account and suddenly makes 80b, player B may open more accounts but player A is very likely to try to keep all his accounts going even if it means altering his play. He might play longer, switch to a more profitable activity or inject some real world money. So essentially social mobility causes plex inflation, as isk-poor people become isk-rich people more accounts will get financed by plex even if the total amount of isk in the economy doesn't rise. It's an increase in consumer spending without an increase in the money supply.

If I don't have money to pay for my account, as I often do, I find that I'm going to have to unsubscribe.

I simply have no real incentive to keep playing the game if all I'm doing is PVE just to afford to play the game.

PLEX prices need to go down otherwise this is going to become an option that is completely unavailable to me and many other players.

I know there's a lot of people that are going to take issue with me on this... but let me tell you what I think.

I think by Feb 1 2013 EvE is going to have well over a million accounts (DUST players coming in)

I think PLEX prices are going to be over 750 mil ea by mid December.

I think both of those estimates are conservative.

My advice? If you need PLEX to run your account... buy now. It's going to get crazy.

I'm not at CCP, and I am a nullsec zealot screaming "nerf high sec!", but I'll answer anyway:

Highsec PLEX'ers driving up the price with easy AFK mining isk.

Tough...Pay up or GTFO...Life costs money...

I know there's a lot of people that are going to take issue with me on this... but let me tell you what I think.

I think by Feb 1 2013 EvE is going to have well over a million accounts (DUST players coming in)

I think PLEX prices are going to be over 750 mil ea by mid December.

I think both of those estimates are conservative.

My advice? If you need PLEX to run your account... buy now. It's going to get crazy.

This is an interesting take, though with the "buy now" at the end I highly suspect you're just a manip post in disguise.

It's only right if DUST players buy PLEX from CCP in less proportion than eve players, and since they're coming from a game with pay to win elements to EVE, they may be more likely to buy PLEX from CCP, driving costs down.
*snip*

New players also means more potential providers of plex, and new players are not excactly likely to be making 500 million ISK a month either. If anything plex prices are going to fall because the new players will be selling PLEX rather than buying

Why should CCP step in for your sorry asses?

It's just 15$ a month. Pony up and pay.

If PLEX it too expensive with regards to the time taken to acquire the ISK needed, just pay money. It's $0.50 per day.

If PLEX it too expensive with regards to the time taken to acquire the ISK needed, just pay money. It's $0.50 per day.

So what exactly does it take now a days to make enough isk to plex a single account with only one character?

Or have we reached a point where the price of plex has rendered that impossible.

Plex prices will go down when WIS is finished and ordinary working class citizens join EvE and want to play casual "dress up barbie" and "I think I can pvp" while spending real life iskies.

Prices already seems to be lowering.

Yesterday, prices were over 570 mill in Jita and steadily rising. Now, its below 550 mill and looks to be slowly going down.

ah well, we'll see in a week, maybe someone dumped a metric ton of plexes onto the market or something :)

Naa... there is just that discounted PLEX weekend offer from CCP again. The prices will rocket after monday again.

Because they make more money per PLEX bought than per month of direct account subscription?
It's in their own best interest to keep the PLEX market healthy.

Naturally, this thread will be hijacked by the null sec zealots screaming "nerf high sec!", but does anyone at CCP, who is not part of the null sec cadre, have any idea why plex prices are out of control, and have numbers to back it up?

And money is harder to come by for some of us.

Highsec PLEX'ers driving up the price with easy AFK mining isk.

I don't think it's worth spending money on EVE when i'm not playing it, yet since i have 100+ SPcharacters i wish to keep training.

Depends on your definition of healthy.

Healthy according to the OP? No. If I suddenly decide to buy 300 or 400 plex at Jita and just trash them all or go in a bestower and see how far I get and have the plex destroyed, then CCP will be loving that. It won't be good for any of you plexing players though.

Naturally, this thread will be hijacked by the null sec zealots screaming "nerf high sec!", but does anyone at CCP, who is not part of the null sec cadre, have any idea why plex prices are out of control, and have numbers to back it up?

Seems to me to be a simple case of demand out stripping supply, since volume traded appears to be on a downward curve over the last couple of weeks.

I would hazard a guess that demand is coming from FW players plex'ing accounts via proceeds from LP cashouts, possible PLEX hoarding by speculators and the traditionally busier Q4/Q1 just around the corner too.

CCP can stimulate the supply side by further PLEX buying offers in account management, but the adjustment to demand will require a longer term fix. Then again, I pay RL cash for my sub and tend to use PLEX purely for ISK supply so I'm not really worried either way.

And oh so sorry OP, but this "nullsec zealot" doesn't really give a damn about your desire to keep my carefully thought out opinion out of the topic :P

I am interested in CCP's take on it, however.

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3) Nerfing highsec would lower the PLEX price as an overall reduced isk income would force sellers to bid lower. Carebears don't/won't see this, thinking any proposed changes exist solely for the purpose of dumping them into a gatecamp.

1) It's not CCP's job to control the price of stuff (or it shouldn't be).

2) Within the last two months they buffed the amount of ore a single miner could bring in while "improving" FW via letting people farm billions of isk on day-old alts in naked frigs (I've even seen mining frigs used). The increase in isk generation led to an economic event known as "inflation" where prices on everything sky-rocket from an overabundance of currency.

3) Nerfing highsec would lower the PLEX price as an overall reduced isk income would force sellers to bid lower. Carebears don't/won't see this, thinking any proposed changes exist solely for the purpose of dumping them into a gatecamp.

miners are not rolling in ISK its the FW Tier 5 farmers that are the root of the PLEX spike... its NULL/LO SEC that needs the nerfs with thier LP STORE reductions & passive TECH/moon goo incomes

Hundreds of mining bots pop up in high sec over the last 2 months.

Plex prices rocket in the last 2 months.

Yep, it can't be miners!

Talking about bad correlations... miners individually unlike FWfarmers are NOT MAKING BILLIONS OF ISK PER WEEK

Obviously CCP controls the RL $ price of plex, but could CCP be conducting experiments on us by making shadow purchases of plex ingame, and studying the outcome on their spreadsheet, observing the relationships between the variables as number six is experimentally manipulated?

How would we know? Is it a conspiracy to maximize number four and number five, lol? Is it far-fetched bunk?

Does anyone feel it's become a greater and exciting challenge over the last year to pay for your account with plex instead of real money?

Maybe it is just demand. Entirely possible.

I've wondered about people going back to school in the fall too, and whether that has anything to do with it.

nulsec carebears driving up the price with passive moongoo isk.

I think PLEX prices are going to be over 750 mil ea by mid December.

Plex = a monthly cost. I think miners can manage to scrap up enough cash to pay for one and make a little profit. And I am willing to bet there is a hell of a lot more of them.

How does that help CCP at all? If you buy 300 or 400 PLEX, you bought that many PLEX. It doesn't matter much to CCP what happens to the PLEX after that, except that when that much PLEX gets destroyed the cost gets run up and as a result less people will be willing to buy it.

Naturally, this thread will be hijacked by the null sec zealots screaming "nerf high sec!", but does anyone at CCP, who is not part of the null sec cadre, have any idea why plex prices are out of control, and have numbers to back it up?

So you just completely dismiss the LP unbalance that is FW because your focus is solely on high sec miners?
Kewl.

The FW farming scenario will change with the winter patch (1-2 months from now?). AFK mining will still exist. People concerned with rising PLEX prices will be more concerned over longer term prices changes over short term (1-2 month) changes. This makes the discussion around the FW point relatively moot.

Show me please that dev blog or a dev quote where CCP acknowledges that their first mayor FW fix in years missed the boat and they are going to fix it again.

So you just completely dismiss the LP unbalance that is FW because your focus is solely on high sec miners?
Kewl.

Plex price reached 640 mil prob 700 by tommrow . CCP needs to step in !

Feel Plex is too high?......simple... switch to credit card. Let all the suckers pay 700- 1bill for a plex

pulls out credit card and buys 10 x 28 plex

Keep shooting those rats guys.

170,800,000,000 just landed in my wallet



not really, whats the point in having all that isk anyways?

pulls out credit card and buys 10 x 28 plex

Keep shooting those rats guys.

170,800,000,000 just landed in my wallet






not really, whats the point in having all that isk anyways?

Can't atm IRL cash issue P:
So for me 1 bil a plex = game over :)

http://themittani.com/features/how-dust-514-can-help-eve

Watch this video and you would know why CCP will step in :)

If you dont have money to pay for an account you have other more serious problems than not being able to play a game...

I agree with this. This is not a f2p game. CCP has allowed you to pay for your game with "ingame" monies and now you cry because you cant make enough to play the game for free. Sorry...dude but I happen to like the price of a PLEX at 700 mil or better. I dont want to grind in this game. I prefer to work at my rl job and spend my money for enjoyment in Eve. People whining because they cant play the game for free is like all the goof tards at the grocery store whining because their food stamps don't buy beer. I PAY good hard coin for multiple accounts and buy PLEX from CCP with real money. Do you think they are going to care if they lose your account or mine? Trust me unless they are idiots, they want to keep me coming back...not you. It's the players like me that allows CCP to let players like you continue along in the game for free. Sorry if this is too harsh, but this is what life is about. Making your own way. Peace

I know there's a lot of people that are going to take issue with me on this... but let me tell you what I think.

I think by Feb 1 2013 EvE is going to have well over a million accounts (DUST players coming in)

I think PLEX prices are going to be over 750 mil ea by mid December.

I think both of those estimates are conservative.

My advice? If you need PLEX to run your account... buy now. It's going to get crazy.

It's totally NOT the faction warfare people exploiting at all. It MUST be the miners.



Obviously, CCP has already done something about it, they ran a special on plex prices. I have no doubt they'll do it again, and soon.

If the DUST players have easy access to buying PLEX to buy gear, but don't need the PLEX themself to play, the prices might tank once they surge in and want to easymode themselves better gear (which they will promptly lose in hilarious ways). This will be a good thing, because it means that CCP is getting more money coming in to create them. CCP can't exactly force people to create PLEX.

I'm not at CCP, and I am a nullsec zealot screaming "nerf high sec!", but I'll answer anyway:

Highsec PLEX'ers driving up the price with easy AFK mining isk.

Because they make more money per PLEX bought than per month of direct account subscription?
It's in their own best interest to keep the PLEX market healthy.

The plex market is healthy.

Yah I PLEXed out both of my accounts to late 2014 a few months ago anticipating this. I was hesitant to go out so far because I wasn't sure if CCP would even last that long, but having played the DUST beta now I am really sold. It's going to be a very good game... and will have more depth than any FPS anyone has ever played. I figured the probability of CCP pulling it off was pretty slim, but now it looks to me like they've got a winner. The market implications for EvE will be profound. This game was long overdue for a big shake-up, and I really think we are going to get it. There's going to be ample opportunity for EvE players to get rich on the changes, but there's also going to be a lot more competition across the board. Now is the buyers market for all things EvE. The sellers market is going to explode after the winter expansion and when everyone in EvE knows what DUST is bringing in.

...just my 2 isk

d514 may be all fine and dandy but it has a hard coded shelf life... that being the ps3 which is NOT that far from being phased out.

if ccp had made it for the pc then it would of had a better shelf life.
I am NOT gonna go out and buy a ps3 for one game.

Not sure why you guys are necro'ing up a 3 month old thread. Prices are probably down 100M from when he made it originally.

This was a good one to necro so we can laugh at horribly bad predictions and reasons given for the rising plex prices.

Holy Zombie apocalypse! Where's my shotgun and my machete?

Naturally, this thread will be hijacked by the null sec zealots screaming "nerf high sec!", but does anyone at CCP, who is not part of the null sec cadre, have any idea why plex prices are out of control, and have numbers to back it up?

I'd honestly bet that if someone asked you about any topic in real luife you'd find a way to mention null sec. You probably wake up in a cold sweat at night screaming "0.0!!!!!!!"