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Hemmo Paskiainen
Armenian Noodle Dip
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Posted - 2012.09.28 19:08:00 -
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Plexes are rising because:
Multiple Events:
FW Mining Stagnating 0.0 (moar bears) More vets with lots of isk and knowlage returning Ppl with lots of isk are not rly convinced eve is worth $$ for CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS
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Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
15
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Posted - 2012.09.28 19:45:00 -
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This is simple, pexes are expensive becaue rich players in game accept traders rules, also inflation increase plex price, to easy acces to big incomes...
Come on we all know here average income per week like 1bil for old veterans who play a lot... in some cases people earn 0.5bil per day, even in few hours, for them here no problem to spent some isk for plex while for causuals and new player is big problem.
But in fact traders wont drop price... they greedy or just smat, and they know somone pay a lot... |

Riot Girl
Riot Club
137
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Posted - 2012.09.28 19:48:00 -
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James 315 wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Naturally, this thread will be hijacked by the null sec zealots screaming "nerf high sec!", but does anyone at CCP, who is not part of the null sec cadre, have any idea why plex prices are out of control, and have numbers to back it up? I'm not at CCP, and I am a nullsec zealot screaming "nerf high sec!", but I'll answer anyway: Highsec PLEX'ers driving up the price with easy AFK mining isk. 
Faction Warfare.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2352
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Posted - 2012.09.28 19:53:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:James 315 wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Naturally, this thread will be hijacked by the null sec zealots screaming "nerf high sec!", but does anyone at CCP, who is not part of the null sec cadre, have any idea why plex prices are out of control, and have numbers to back it up? I'm not at CCP, and I am a nullsec zealot screaming "nerf high sec!", but I'll answer anyway: Highsec PLEX'ers driving up the price with easy AFK mining isk.  Faction Warfare.
Too many people with too much isk "A genius throws a Molotov cocktail and soon realizes that he's going to die choking in a maze of smoke and flame. A hero drinks a Molotov cocktail and soon realizes that if he does a split in midair, he can hit twice as many zombies per kick. Drunk hero wins again, wusses." ~Cracked.com |

WisdomLikeSilence
BurgerkingTM
104
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Posted - 2012.09.28 20:01:00 -
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As an non-offical CCP employee in NO WAY affiliated with CCP, Iceland or Eve Online the 'Puter game I think its obvious that we will 100% take this into account and if you take me to court or send my tiny infant chilfdren to the gas ovens that will still be my position. PLex prices absolutely WILL conform to market expectations in respect of agreements and legal requirements as set out in the fiscal programme and as required by jurisprudence and ursine law. . |

WisdomLikeSilence
BurgerkingTM
104
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Posted - 2012.09.28 20:03:00 -
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Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:Plexes are rising because:
Multiple Events:
FW Mining Stagnating 0.0 (moar bears) More vets with lots of isk and knowlage returning Ppl with lots of isk are not rly convinced eve is worth $$ for
But it was the legal purchase of Stacmon by the cartels that really threw the wood into the badger loft. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9610
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Posted - 2012.09.28 20:21:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Just wait for the server experts to come into this thread and explain why there is no co-relation between empty server and inflation. They do such a good job proving things like this. Without an empty server to test against, it would be rather hard to say anything in either direction.
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Generals4
1518
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Posted - 2012.09.28 21:17:00 -
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Callduron wrote: The isk is already in the economy. Many Eve players are sitting on large amounts of isk.
What FW does is MOVE the isk. (Same with mining for that matter). When someone who was once poor now becomes isk rich they are quite likely to invest the isk in more accounts.
I think what we're seeing is a lot of isk movement between players. If player A has 5 accounts and earns 2.5b per month and player B has 1 account and suddenly makes 80b, player B may open more accounts but player A is very likely to try to keep all his accounts going even if it means altering his play. He might play longer, switch to a more profitable activity or inject some real world money. So essentially social mobility causes plex inflation, as isk-poor people become isk-rich people more accounts will get financed by plex even if the total amount of isk in the economy doesn't rise. It's an increase in consumer spending without an increase in the money supply.
That's somewhat what i had in mind too. But than maybe the real cause is the ludicrous amount of isks those folks who are now buying items being sold by FW'ers had. I'm actually still amazed that the Winmatar items didn't totally crash on the market. Too many folks with way too many isks buying them ships. -Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. |

I Love Lesbians
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.09.28 21:18:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:If I don't have money to pay for my account, as I often do, I find that I'm going to have to unsubscribe.
I simply have no real incentive to keep playing the game if all I'm doing is PVE just to afford to play the game.
PLEX prices need to go down otherwise this is going to become an option that is completely unavailable to me and many other players.
If you dont have money to pay for an account you have other more serious problems than not being able to play a game... |

Zhade Lezte
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
45
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Posted - 2012.09.28 21:22:00 -
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Gogela wrote:I know there's a lot of people that are going to take issue with me on this... but let me tell you what I think.
I think by Feb 1 2013 EvE is going to have well over a million accounts (DUST players coming in)
I think PLEX prices are going to be over 750 mil ea by mid December.
I think both of those estimates are conservative.
My advice? If you need PLEX to run your account... buy now. It's going to get crazy.
This is an interesting take, though with the "buy now" at the end I highly suspect you're just a manip post in disguise.
It's only right if DUST players buy PLEX from CCP in less proportion than eve players, and since they're coming from a game with pay to win elements to EVE, they may be more likely to buy PLEX from CCP, driving costs down.
On the actual topic the hilariously broken state of FW & buffed semi-AFK mining definitely make people more able to afford PLEX. I'm going to leave the topic of whether highsec ISK making should be nerfed from a game balance standpoint aside since it's not relevant to the topic of PLEX, and I'm not discussing FW in this next paragraph because it's already being nerfed.
The one relevant thing to CCP here when it comes to their PLEX pricing from a purely financial perspective is that nerfing highsec ISK making would probably make some players not willing to pay for their subs, while some would just switch to cash subscriptions and keep on AFK mining. How much these income sources prop up the PLEX price, how many subs they would lose from people unable to afford PLEX from highsec ISK, and how many subs they would gain from players in other areas of the game due to cheaper PLEX are relevant to CCP's bottom line. I'd argue that since people outside of highsec have greater operating expenses than a highseccer from losing ships to PVP there's some reason to believe that you'd have more non-highsec accounts subbed if the PLEX price was lowered by nerfing highsec.
I'm simplifying things of course because some highseccers PVP, some nullseccers just farm ISK constantly, some coalitions have reimbursement programs to reduce operating cost and make PLEX more affordable, etc. But by in large I think generally, being in a dangerous no-rules PVP environment means you lose your ship (and the ISK you spent on that ship) more. From the experience I have in highsec (I do a decent amount of highsec trading on alts and haul stuff through there frequently. Hell, I used to run L4s.) if you are aware of the rules in highsec and don't make your ship an absurd loot pinata you are just about 100% safe from losing a ship to suicide ganks.
There's certainly the real life economy, but CCP can't really do anything about that.
Something that I haven't seen brought up in the thread is that the easiest passive income available to a player does seem to set the baseline on PLEX. Way back when a single PLEX used to be worth roughly full account's worth of datacore characters. With PI's release, it went up a bit there as people learned to run extractor and factory planets. |
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Zhade Lezte
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
45
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Posted - 2012.09.28 21:35:00 -
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And oh so sorry OP, but this "nullsec zealot" doesn't really give a damn about your desire to keep my carefully thought out opinion out of the topic :P
I am interested in CCP's take on it, however. |

Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
181
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Posted - 2012.09.28 22:19:00 -
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James 315 wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Naturally, this thread will be hijacked by the null sec zealots screaming "nerf high sec!", but does anyone at CCP, who is not part of the null sec cadre, have any idea why plex prices are out of control, and have numbers to back it up? I'm not at CCP, and I am a nullsec zealot screaming "nerf high sec!", but I'll answer anyway: Highsec PLEX'ers driving up the price with easy AFK mining isk.  Shut Up whiner... |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
758
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Posted - 2012.09.28 22:54:00 -
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Doc Severide wrote:Tough...Pay up or GTFO...Life costs money... And money is harder to come by for some of us. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem
A simple fix to the local intel problem |

Souisa
WESCORP 2.0
13
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Posted - 2012.09.29 00:38:00 -
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Gogela wrote:I know there's a lot of people that are going to take issue with me on this... but let me tell you what I think.
I think by Feb 1 2013 EvE is going to have well over a million accounts (DUST players coming in)
I think PLEX prices are going to be over 750 mil ea by mid December.
I think both of those estimates are conservative.
My advice? If you need PLEX to run your account... buy now. It's going to get crazy.
New players also means more potential providers of plex, and new players are not excactly likely to be making 500 million ISK a month either. If anything plex prices are going to fall because the new players will be selling PLEX rather than buying |

Selinate
1013
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Posted - 2012.09.29 00:53:00 -
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Why should CCP step in for your sorry asses?
It's just 15$ a month. Pony up and pay. |

Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
1176
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Posted - 2012.09.29 01:32:00 -
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Zhade Lezte wrote:Gogela wrote:I know there's a lot of people that are going to take issue with me on this... but let me tell you what I think.
I think by Feb 1 2013 EvE is going to have well over a million accounts (DUST players coming in)
I think PLEX prices are going to be over 750 mil ea by mid December.
I think both of those estimates are conservative.
My advice? If you need PLEX to run your account... buy now. It's going to get crazy. This is an interesting take, though with the "buy now" at the end I highly suspect you're just a manip post in disguise. It's only right if DUST players buy PLEX from CCP in less proportion than eve players, and since they're coming from a game with pay to win elements to EVE, they may be more likely to buy PLEX from CCP, driving costs down. *snip* For the record I have exactly zero PLEX at the moment. I don't invest in PLEX myself because when I get enough money to buy something I want I do it, which leaves me with only a bit of ISK to invest with... and small time investors like me can find far more lucrative and relatively "safe" things to put their ISK into. PLEX speculation and hedging is best done by the very rich. Personally, I don't care if PLEX is trading for a billion or 100 million. I was just saying what I think will happen.
Souisa wrote: New players also means more potential providers of plex, and new players are not excactly likely to be making 500 million ISK a month either. If anything plex prices are going to fall because the new players will be selling PLEX rather than buying
That's a good point too... and coming from DUST they might be more likely to buy PLEX since they were buying aurum already in DUST.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
760
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Posted - 2012.09.29 02:22:00 -
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Selinate wrote:Why should CCP step in for your sorry asses?
It's just 15$ a month. Pony up and pay. Because they make more money per PLEX bought than per month of direct account subscription? It's in their own best interest to keep the PLEX market healthy. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem
A simple fix to the local intel problem |

Hrothgar Nilsson
Black Guards Black Core Alliance
106
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Posted - 2012.09.29 02:48:00 -
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If PLEX it too expensive with regards to the time taken to acquire the ISK needed, just pay money. It's $0.50 per day. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzA_xesrL8 |

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2358
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Posted - 2012.09.29 02:54:00 -
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Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:If PLEX it too expensive with regards to the time taken to acquire the ISK needed, just pay money. It's $0.50 per day.
It's cheaper if you pay for 3 months at a time "A genius throws a Molotov cocktail and soon realizes that he's going to die choking in a maze of smoke and flame. A hero drinks a Molotov cocktail and soon realizes that if he does a split in midair, he can hit twice as many zombies per kick. Drunk hero wins again, wusses." ~Cracked.com |

Nexus Day
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
45
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Posted - 2012.09.29 03:06:00 -
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Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:If PLEX it too expensive with regards to the time taken to acquire the ISK needed, just pay money. It's $0.50 per day.
Statement 1: Playing Eve costs 50 cents a day on a monthly subscription.
Statement 2: Feeding a starving child in Africa costs 40 cents a day.
Statement 3: Starving children in Africa, if they survive, grow up to be "Freedom Fighters".
Conclusion: EvE is responsible for unrest in Africa.
High Plex prices are bad for EvE economy (on topic statement to keep post from being deleted). |
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Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
181
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Posted - 2012.09.29 07:07:00 -
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Paul Oliver wrote:So what exactly does it take now a days to make enough isk to plex a single account with only one character?
Or have we reached a point where the price of plex has rendered that impossible.
At a somewhat conservative 35m an hour income, it would take roughly 20 hours to afford a PLEX - across a month. 4 weeks at 5 hours a week = 20 hours and there's your PLEX.
Does that read as impossible?
Doing it at 2 billion per PLEX, at a lower 25m an hour, and you come closer to the amount of time active players actually spend in the game -- 80 hours a month -- 20 hours a week. But that would be doing nothing but earning for that entire time and few do that.
Entirely based upon a single character with a single account.
PS: It's under 58 hours for 2 billion at the initial 35m estimate above. |

Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
1427
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Posted - 2012.09.29 07:18:00 -
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Plex prices will go down when WIS is finished and ordinary working class citizens join EvE and want to play casual "dress up barbie" and "I think I can pvp" while spending real life iskies.
Get |

Amber Coldheart
State War Academy Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.09.29 07:22:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:Plex prices will go down when WIS is finished and ordinary working class citizens join EvE and want to play casual "dress up barbie" and "I think I can pvp" while spending real life iskies. Prices already seems to be lowering.
Yesterday, prices were over 570 mill in Jita and steadily rising. Now, its below 550 mill and looks to be slowly going down.
ah well, we'll see in a week, maybe someone dumped a metric ton of plexes onto the market or something :)
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Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
1427
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Posted - 2012.09.29 07:24:00 -
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Amber Coldheart wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote:Plex prices will go down when WIS is finished and ordinary working class citizens join EvE and want to play casual "dress up barbie" and "I think I can pvp" while spending real life iskies. Prices already seems to be lowering. Yesterday, prices were over 570 mill in Jita and steadily rising. Now, its below 550 mill and looks to be slowly going down. ah well, we'll see in a week, maybe someone dumped a metric ton of plexes onto the market or something :) Naa... there is just that discounted PLEX weekend offer from CCP again. The prices will rocket after monday again.
Get |

Amber Coldheart
State War Academy Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.09.29 07:50:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote: Naa... there is just that discounted PLEX weekend offer from CCP again. The prices will rocket after monday again.
ahhh, figured there had to be a reason for it :)
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Selinate
1018
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Posted - 2012.09.29 09:48:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Selinate wrote:Why should CCP step in for your sorry asses?
It's just 15$ a month. Pony up and pay. Because they make more money per PLEX bought than per month of direct account subscription? It's in their own best interest to keep the PLEX market healthy.
Depends on your definition of healthy.
Healthy according to the OP? No. If I suddenly decide to buy 300 or 400 plex at Jita and just trash them all or go in a bestower and see how far I get and have the plex destroyed, then CCP will be loving that. It won't be good for any of you plexing players though. |

Aaewen Hrothgarson
Jelly Baby Corporation Fidelas Constans
21
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Posted - 2012.09.29 11:25:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Naturally, this thread will be hijacked by the null sec zealots screaming "nerf high sec!", but does anyone at CCP, who is not part of the null sec cadre, have any idea why plex prices are out of control, and have numbers to back it up?
That made me check.
Nope, still costs 19.95 Euro regularely. But there is a special offer for 17.40 Euro - still i wouldn't call a 13.4 % discount "out of control" ... |

Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
182
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Posted - 2012.09.29 12:03:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Doc Severide wrote:Tough...Pay up or GTFO...Life costs money... And money is harder to come by for some of us. Absolutely... But then you gotta make choices....
Wanna play you gotta pay... |

Valari Nala Zena
Perkone Caldari State
44
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Posted - 2012.09.29 12:22:00 -
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James 315 wrote:Highsec PLEX'ers driving up the price with easy AFK mining isk. 
This.
I've been bored at EVE for a while, playing other games (Borderlands 2, Torchlight,...). I don't think it's worth spending money on EVE when i'm not playing it, yet since i have 100+ SP characters i wish to keep training them.
So all i do is mining and buying plex, requires little effort and i'm not doing anything else anyway. I imagine a lot of people get the same idea since the mining buff, more demand = increased plex price.
When mineral/isotope prices get low enough and plex high enough, there will be a time when people lose interest. When that happens the economy adapts again by supply & demand, attracting players again.
Well played by CCP. |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
652
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Posted - 2012.09.29 12:28:00 -
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Valari Nala Zena wrote:I don't think it's worth spending money on EVE when i'm not playing it, yet since i have 100+ SPcharacters i wish to keep training.
You go you! Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
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