It still disables a ship for 25-30 secs, which is exactly how i remember it from 1-2 years ago. So if it has been "weakened", it's clearly not enough.

Cry me a river. Do you have any idea just how easy it is to pop a falcon, a scorpion, or any other ECM boat? ECM capability is exchanged for both tank AND dps. So if that jamming ship DOESN'T jam you, he's pretty much dead. The other day my Falcon got jumped by 2 frigates and 2 cruisers. I jammed all 4 of them and got away. But I have level V recon skill, and level V signal dispersion skill. So you could scream till you're blue in the face that this proves that ECM is overpowered - what I don't mention is I got away in structure... it was a very, very close thing. Had I NOT jammed even one of them, I would be dead. So much for my 200+M ship/fit and months of training. ECM ships are WEAK.

Now if you're complaining about people fitting ECM modules on regular ships, their jam strength must suck, meaning you should easily survive most jam cycles with ECCM. "But it gimps my fit!" Yeah, just as much as he gimped his by putting an ECM module in his mids that will be useless against you. If you don't meet enough people using ECM to justify changing your fit - why are you complaining at all? You cannot expect to win every single fight.

ECCM?




nah, why would you want to fit your ship to counter ECM? Just complain in the GD section until CCP nerfs what you refuse to adapt to...


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nvm, i Just realized OP is -A-c , he probably doesnt even understand what I said.

Cry me a river. Do you have any idea just how easy it is to pop a falcon, a scorpion, or any other ECM boat? ECM capability is exchanged for both tank AND dps. So if that jamming ship DOESN'T jam you, he's pretty much dead. The other day my Falcon got jumped by 2 frigates and 2 cruisers. I jammed all 4 of them and got away. But I have level V recon skill, and level V signal dispersion skill. So you could scream till you're blue in the face that this proves that ECM is overpowered - what I don't mention is I got away in structure... it was a very, very close thing. Had I NOT jammed even one of them, I would be dead. So much for my 200+M ship/fit and months of training. ECM ships are WEAK.

Now if you're complaining about people fitting ECM modules on regular ships, their jam strength must suck, meaning you should easily survive most jam cycles with ECCM. "But it gimps my fit!" Yeah, just as much as he gimped his by putting an ECM module in his mids that will be useless against you. If you don't meet enough people using ECM to justify changing your fit - why are you complaining at all? You cannot expect to win every single fight.

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Honestly, I'd prefer to be blobbed with no hope of escaping than be jumped on by a falcon and another ship, because atleast I can do SOMETHING to alter the outcome.

The argument that ECM ships have no tank is bad also... you could just fit some lol... it's no different from your demand that people should fit ECCM.

You haven't actually flown ECM ships have you?

Range matters. It matters quite a lot for a ship that has little to no tank.

The ECM Formula was nerfed (you're much more likely to miss a jam) and ECM ranges were nerfed (you have to be much closer).

Cry me a river. Do you have any idea just how easy it is to pop a falcon

ECM is Killing Solo PvP

Not when it's actual mechanic that is overpowered/broken.

No, i don't. Why don't you tell me how easy it is to pop something when your jammed.

Well not that alone, but it's certainly playing it's part.

I like going out for a roam alone and losing a ship. I'm not into the whole large gang stuff, been there done that. So I like going out, knowing I'm going to die but try and get a kill or two before I do.

The last few times I have, I've been blobbed which is great and to be expected, but I can't get a shot off most of the time which is what hacks me off. A crappy T1 hull cruiser can sit many KM from me and stop me from firing a single shot. It's so dull and predictable now. There is no effective counter against it. I can put some ECCM on there, but that's about as useful as a condom machine in the Vatican, and wastes midslots so shield tanking is out of the question. I tried ECM drones last time out and put them straight on the ECM boat, but nada. Granted it was a T2 boat this time, but that shouldn't mean it's invulnerable.

So I could try a drone boat, but that leaves me with just a handful of subcaps I can fly and hope my drones pick the right target.

Maybe it's just me. I expect the ECM pilots think it's great that they can make a 300m Maelstrom die with a murmur in their crappy T1 hull.

I don't mind dying in a glorious fire with all guns blazing, but not being able to fire my guns makes me a sad Minmatar.

Join RVB. you can ask fro a 1v1 anytime you like and there is no ECM

No, i don't. Why don't you tell me how easy it is to pop something when your jammed.

Just because you have a hard time dealing with ECM Solo and don't realize that teams beat solo any day of the week, doesn't mean the mechanic is overpowered.

I get the point of ECM being fine where gangs and large fleets are involved...if there's more than 1v1 then it's easier to counter ECM. And yes--if you're going solo don't expect to come out ahead when you go against multiple targets. I've been on both sides and agree that in those situations it is justifiable. But, talking about ECM in gangs/fleets wasn't the OP's point here.

I like soloing...I expect to die lots and I do, just as well I win sometimes (Solo PvP is not dead, just difficult and limiting). When I choose to solo I do my best to pick my targets carefully. The other day I engaged in a 1v1 at a FW plex...Thrasher vs Thrasher. He had ECM and I didn't. I was dead in the water and I died. (Thrashers have no drones & 1 launcher w/ FoF won't do much) Kinda crappy. Seems to me in that scenario ECM is too powerful and as others have stated; maybe it would be better if it didn't have the ability to completely render a target inert. Perhaps making ECM mods specific to ECM boats...kinda like the CovOps Cloak can only be used on CovOps ships. It just seems wrong when a player with no skill or training can fit the one button win mod and nullify anyone else on the field.

Small gang is good too, but I like going it alone at times. Solo PvP is the best ... when you can actually get it.