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Doyey3731 Apex Scientific AAA Citizens 20	Posted - 2012.09.28 19:08:00 - [1] - Quote Well not that alone, but it's certainly playing it's part. I like going out for a roam alone and losing a ship. I'm not into the whole large gang stuff, been there done that. So I like going out, knowing I'm going to die but try and get a kill or two before I do. The last few times I have, I've been blobbed which is great and to be expected, but I can't get a shot off most of the time which is what hacks me off. A crappy T1 hull cruiser can sit many KM from me and stop me from firing a single shot. It's so dull and predictable now. There is no effective counter against it. I can put some ECCM on there, but that's about as useful as a condom machine in the Vatican, and wastes midslots so shield tanking is out of the question. I tried ECM drones last time out and put them straight on the ECM boat, but nada. Granted it was a T2 boat this time, but that shouldn't mean it's invulnerable. So I could try a drone boat, but that leaves me with just a handful of subcaps I can fly and hope my drones pick the right target. Maybe it's just me. I expect the ECM pilots think it's great that they can make a 300m Maelstrom die with a murmur in their crappy T1 hull. I don't mind dying in a glorious fire with all guns blazing, but not being able to fire my guns makes me a sad Minmatar.
baltec1 Bat Country 2295	Posted - 2012.09.28 19:11:00 - [2] - Quote Because of Falcon. Also... http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/250x250/26164043.jpg
Lord Ryan True Xero 659	Posted - 2012.09.28 19:13:00 - [3] - Quote ECM HML Nerf Cane Nerf Off Grid Boosters Blobs Goons ASB Goons Nano Nerf Closed socket Neutral Logi Goons Plex Price Nothing is killing solo PVP. Those things already killed solo PVP. Good day! Do not assume-áanything above this line-áwas typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient. Nerf it cause I can't fly it. I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes.
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 339	Posted - 2012.09.28 19:17:00 - [4] - Quote So you fly around in most likely a double XL ASB maelstrom with links/crystals and you are complaining about ECM being broken? Pot, meet kettle P.S. Solo pvpers who don't fail know how to fly a maelstrom and reapproach gate and jump out when perma jammed.
Jax Bederen Dark Horse RM 194	Posted - 2012.09.28 19:18:00 - [5] - Quote This game is made for blobs and it is what it is. It's a good idea for fleets adding more dimensions to the fights, but for solo it's a bad mechanic. Play another game for solo pvp anyway, why waste hours floating about when you can just jump into pvp elsewhere.
Unsuccessful At Everything Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2012.09.28 19:19:00 - [6] - Quote Why learn to fight, when you can simply dock up and rage on the forums?
Doyey3731 Apex Scientific AAA Citizens 21	Posted - 2012.09.28 19:20:00 - [7] - Quote Vaal Erit wrote: So you fly around in most likely a double XL ASB maelstrom with links/crystals and you are complaining about ECM being broken? Pot, meet kettle P.S. Solo pvpers who don't fail know how to fly a maelstrom and reapproach gate and jump out when perma jammed. Please tell me how to reapproach gate when scrammed/webbed. No crystals .. like I said, I die a lot. I just like to go out with all guns blazing.
Paul Oliver Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 4349	Posted - 2012.09.28 19:20:00 - [8] - Quote Small gang pvp better not be dead, I'm Gallente combat specializing. "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine
baltec1 Bat Country 2295	Posted - 2012.09.28 19:20:00 - [9] - Quote Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Why learn to fight, when you can simply dock up and rage on the forums? worked for miners
Doyey3731 Apex Scientific AAA Citizens 21	Posted - 2012.09.28 19:23:00 - [10] - Quote Paul Oliver wrote: Small gang pvp better not be dead, I'm Gallente combat specializing. Small gang is good too, but I like going it alone at times. Solo PvP is the best ... when you can actually get it.
malcovas Henderson Smoking Minerals Syndicate Cannabis Legionis 165	Posted - 2012.09.28 19:24:00 - [11] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Why learn to fight, when you can simply dock up and rage on the forums? worked for miners And now gankers are doing it o7
highonpop Eve Liberation Force Fatal Ascension 330	Posted - 2012.09.28 19:25:00 - [12] - Quote ECCM? nah, why would you want to fit your ship to counter ECM? Just complain in the GD section until CCP nerfs what you refuse to adapt to... edit: nvm, i Just realized OP is -A-c , he probably doesnt even understand what I said. http://www.soundboard.com/sb/Very%20best%20of%20Makalu%20Zarya R.I.P Vile Rat http://evemaps.dotlan.net/live/Outpost/Rename/2012-09-12
TheBreadMuncher Boxxed Up Industries EPIC Alliance 350	Posted - 2012.09.28 19:29:00 - [13] - Quote highonpop wrote: nah, why would you want to fit your ship to counter ECM? Just complain in the GD section until CCP nerfs what you refuse to adapt to... Sure, why not gimp your fit in order to account for a ship that can probably jam you even with counter-ECCM fit? "We will create the introduction thread if that is requested by the community. Also, we will have an ISD Seminar about the CCL team in the coming weeks in which you can ask your questions about the CCL team and provide some constructive feedback to us." - Countless pages of locked threads and numerous permabanned accounts later, change is coming.
baltec1 Bat Country 2295	Posted - 2012.09.28 19:31:00 - [14] - Quote malcovas Henderson wrote: And now gankers are doing it o7 Kinda hard to adapt to the impossible
highonpop Eve Liberation Force Fatal Ascension 330	Posted - 2012.09.28 19:32:00 - [15] - Quote TheBreadMuncher wrote: highonpop wrote: nah, why would you want to fit your ship to counter ECM? Just complain in the GD section until CCP nerfs what you refuse to adapt to... Sure, why not gimp your fit in order to account for a ship that can probably jam you even with counter-ECCM fit? Well you have 2 options. Try and compensate or learn to counter ECM or Complain Most people around here just complain http://www.soundboard.com/sb/Very%20best%20of%20Makalu%20Zarya R.I.P Vile Rat http://evemaps.dotlan.net/live/Outpost/Rename/2012-09-12
Burseg Sardaukar Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 166	Posted - 2012.09.28 19:38:00 - [16] - Quote I think ECM is pretty broken as an EWAR in general. The ability to completely break locks (and thus break ALL offensive or RR modules is a tad bit crap). I proposed an idea in F&I that got equally flamed/supported that proposed to change the ECM effect to disabling hislots of a target ship, removing the hit-or-miss drawback of ECM and also removing the absolutely crippling effect of breaking locks entirely. This way, mids (scrams, webs, etc) and lock can remain in place, but depending on how strong the jam is, you could be -8 hislots removing the ability to shoot, RR, command boost, smartbomb, bomb-bomb... This way ECM boats can focus on taking DPS/logi/command bonuses (when they have to be there) off the field instead of taking other ECM boats off the field... and ECCM won't seem like a gamble for a mod since the chance-based system could still jam you if you are an unlucky bastard. Hey, as a dude that lives in lowsec, you should read my idea on how to "fix" it... in Blog format, complete with a spreadsheet! http://3xxxd.blogspot.com/2012/09/how-to-buff-lowsec.html
Bubanni ElitistOps Pandemic Legion 445	Posted - 2012.09.28 19:41:00 - [17] - Quote I feel you bro, I went out to solo with my domi the other day, planning to lose it in a good fight... warped into a bubble 60 off a gate intentionally to get a fight vs, sabre, daredevil and cynabal... then falcon uncloaked and I was then perma jammed until I died...(ecm drones were also on me) It ruins the fun of it from the guy being jammed.... it is fun for the guys jamming :) But yes, it basicly ruins solo as you can't even die fighting Christmas wish list https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134275 Module activation delay! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1180934
TheBreadMuncher Boxxed Up Industries EPIC Alliance 352	Posted - 2012.09.28 19:45:00 - [18] - Quote highonpop wrote: Try and compensate or learn to counter ECM Compensate against a module that shuts off all projected effects from a ship... Learn to counter ECM through pure player skill... Both are impossible unless you know you're going against ECM. 99% of the time, you won't. "We will create the introduction thread if that is requested by the community. Also, we will have an ISD Seminar about the CCL team in the coming weeks in which you can ask your questions about the CCL team and provide some constructive feedback to us." - Countless pages of locked threads and numerous permabanned accounts later, change is coming.
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 147	Posted - 2012.09.28 19:47:00 - [19] - Quote malcovas Henderson wrote: baltec1 wrote: Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Why learn to fight, when you can simply dock up and rage on the forums? worked for miners And now gankers are doing it o7 fighting fire with fire you miners should never have introduced us to this type of warfare Goonwaffe is now recruiting feel free to message me in game for information about joining!
Athena Themis Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 35	Posted - 2012.09.28 19:50:00 - [20] - Quote Deal with it.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 2457	Posted - 2012.09.28 20:32:00 - [21] - Quote I don't think it's intended for you to be able to fit a single ship to be able to counter all the possible hazards you might encounter. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Pipa Porto 1070	Posted - 2012.09.28 20:47:00 - [22] - Quote Doyey3731 wrote: Well not that alone, but it's certainly playing it's part. I like going out for a roam alone and losing a ship. I'm not into the whole large gang stuff, been there done that. So I like going out, knowing I'm going to die but try and get a kill or two before I do. So you're saying that you're bad at picking your targets, and that people who bring friends, are prepared, and pick their targets well shouldn't be able to kill you without losses? By the way, a Scimitar would be able to render your guns ineffective just as easily (while being ~50km away). EvE: Everyone vs Everyone -RubyPorto
Shepard Wong Ogeko GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 108	Posted - 2012.09.28 20:51:00 - [23] - Quote I guess Eve does allow you to play how ever you want. But I just don't understand why people put so much stock in "Solo PvP" in a "massively multiplayer" game. Get some friends to even the odds, even if they just also fly ECM ships to get you out of fights you don't think are fair.
Bubanni ElitistOps Pandemic Legion 446	Posted - 2012.09.28 20:52:00 - [24] - Quote Pipa Porto wrote: Doyey3731 wrote: Well not that alone, but it's certainly playing it's part. I like going out for a roam alone and losing a ship. I'm not into the whole large gang stuff, been there done that. So I like going out, knowing I'm going to die but try and get a kill or two before I do. So you're saying that you're bad at picking your targets, and that people who bring friends, are prepared, and pick their targets well shouldn't be able to kill you without losses? By the way, a Scimitar would be able to render your guns ineffective just as easily (while being ~50km away). :) at least with the scimitar you can still fire your guns... perhaps alpha a frig or similar. While being jammed and scrammed you can only sit and look as you die slowly Christmas wish list https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134275 Module activation delay! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1180934
Pipa Porto 1071	Posted - 2012.09.28 21:02:00 - [25] - Quote Bubanni wrote: Pipa Porto wrote: Doyey3731 wrote: Well not that alone, but it's certainly playing it's part. I like going out for a roam alone and losing a ship. I'm not into the whole large gang stuff, been there done that. So I like going out, knowing I'm going to die but try and get a kill or two before I do. So you're saying that you're bad at picking your targets, and that people who bring friends, are prepared, and pick their targets well shouldn't be able to kill you without losses? By the way, a Scimitar would be able to render your guns ineffective just as easily (while being ~50km away). :) at least with the scimitar you can still fire your guns... perhaps alpha a frig or similar. While being jammed and scrammed you can only sit and look as you die slowly So why shouldn't people who bring friends, are prepared, and pick their targets well be able to kill you without loss? The reason why solo PVP is so well regarded is because it's ridiculously hard to be successful at it, and that's because EVE doesn't do anything to help the soloist and because flying solo is a self imposed limitation that dramatically gimps your options and viable targets. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone -RubyPorto
Marlona Sky D00M. Northern Coalition. 1359	Posted - 2012.09.28 21:08:00 - [26] - Quote Paul Oliver wrote: Small gang pvp better not be dead, I'm Gallente combat specializing. /slowly removes hat His name was, Paul Oliver. God rest his soul. Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner!
I Love Lesbians Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2012.09.28 21:14:00 - [27] - Quote Burseg Sardaukar wrote: I think ECM is pretty broken as an EWAR in general. The ability to completely break locks (and thus break ALL offensive or RR modules is a tad bit crap). since when do they break f.o.f. missiles?
Liz Laser Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 4	Posted - 2012.09.28 21:25:00 - [28] - Quote I Love Lesbians wrote: Burseg Sardaukar wrote: I think ECM is pretty broken as an EWAR in general. The ability to completely break locks (and thus break ALL offensive or RR modules is a tad bit crap). since when do they break f.o.f. missiles? shhhhh. Only us Scorpion pilots are allowed to use F.O.F. missiles. :-) (ECM boats are often the first target of enemy ECM boats). I'd suggest the OP fly ECM for a year. OP will learn a lot about the methods to thwart ECM by being the ECM-er who gets thwarted.
Burseg Sardaukar Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 167	Posted - 2012.09.28 21:34:00 - [29] - Quote I Love Lesbians wrote: Burseg Sardaukar wrote: I think ECM is pretty broken as an EWAR in general. The ability to completely break locks (and thus break ALL offensive or RR modules is a tad bit crap). since when do they break f.o.f. missiles? Lol you caught me there, they also don't disable smartbombs or bombs or ECM bursts or target spectrum breakers if you want to get massively technical about one word I used. The difference between ECM and the other E-war is that the others still provide the user with same ability to mitigate the attack. Damps and sebos, neuts and nos/cap boosters, warp disruption and stabs at 1/1 ratio, TD with TC, webs and prop mods, but with ECM and ECCM you still can get the full brunt of the ECM's effects based on chance. And during that jam cycle you are utterly crippled. The target can cloak/warp/keep fighting and has a large amount of time to make that decision. Hey, as a dude that lives in lowsec, you should read my idea on how to "fix" it... in Blog format, complete with a spreadsheet! http://3xxxd.blogspot.com/2012/09/how-to-buff-lowsec.html
Tammarr 19	Posted - 2012.09.28 21:44:00 - [30] - Quote No worries, ecm will be there for a long time. But soon you'll get to enjoy gangs fielding TDs en masse rather then ecm birds. You'll keep your lock, but you'll hit nothing. It'll still be more enjoyable getting shots that go nowhere off then not getting to shot a single round, right? solo is paper, rock, scissors, blob. Dont engage what you can't beat.

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