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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
1881
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Posted - 2012.10.04 02:55:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Darth Gustav wrote: Why on earth does CCP have to do everything "for the sake of high-sec?" ]
Because the voting system is gamed for large alliances. Large alliances are not suitable for HI SEC lol the person with the most votes in the current csm is a wormhole representative
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1523
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Posted - 2012.10.04 03:20:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:Mai Khumm wrote:There will never be a high sec CSM member. When someone from high sec runs for CSM, null sec makes fun of them... ^This. As PvP guys allways belive, they are the most important players they would NEVER respect a PvE CSM (just imagin Mitani together with a PvE guy in one room ... every argument of the PvE guy would be anihilated with "EvE is PvP sucker!!!!1111 Shut up damit!!"). Even if there would be one ... he would have no ears at CCP anyway. PS: He didn't get that many votes as he is so competent or great ... he just abused the IMENS Goon-infrastructur for his propaganda (forum+voice chat+massager+ingame chats/tools). And as every goon-char has backup from ~2to5 out-of-goon alts ... well, will be hard to reach this numbers for anyone else. Yes, please continue to just give up and accept this. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Tarn Kugisa
Infinite Covenant Tribal Band
157
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Posted - 2012.10.04 03:42:00 -
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Believe it or not, nullsec players care about the game way more than highsec players. This is because highsec players are a majority of casual players who play probably 4 hours a week. It takes dedication to be part of nullsec I Endorse this Product and/or Service Source Recorder-esque tool for EVE |

Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
782
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Posted - 2012.10.04 03:44:00 -
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Protip: being enthusiastic about PVE does not mean you're against PVP gameplay and vice versa.
If a PVE focused candidate was all "PVE content should be good" rather than "PVP should be diminished or restricted so I can do bad PVE content in peace" then no reasonable person would object to it. |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
643
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Posted - 2012.10.04 03:44:00 -
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Tarn Kugisa wrote:Believe it or not, nullsec players care about the game way more than highsec players. This is because highsec players are a majority of casual players who play probably 4 hours a week. It takes dedication to be part of nullsec
Eh I'm going to say this depends. People doing heavy production/trading in highsec are every bit as invested as we are. Not to mention most alliances have just as many weekend warriors as highsec does.
I'd say on average we tend to spend more money on Eve itself as I honestly don't know that many people who stick with it more than a year that don't have two accounts at minimum. |

Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
355
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Posted - 2012.10.04 03:55:00 -
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<----Me for hisec CSM rep.
If elected, I promise to get the OP --and his/her/its alts, and their alts, and their alts-- perma-banned so he can go find a game better suited to him that much sooner!
E:
OP is trolling! News-flash! Helloooooooo, McFly??!
Jesus Christ, people, what's happened to your troll detecting skills of late?
Nicely done, though, OP:
I would say...hmmm...
8/10.
Your Troll-Fu shows great promise, keep it up There is a fine and proper artistry to wielding verbal scalpels, such that the crap-poster you've slashed doesn't even know they've been cut. But verbal bludgeons -- Those are just fun. |

Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
894
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Posted - 2012.10.04 06:31:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Protip: being enthusiastic about PVE does not mean you're against PVP gameplay and vice versa.
If a PVE focused candidate was all "PVE content should be good" rather than "PVP should be diminished or restricted so I can do bad PVE content in peace" then no reasonable person would object to it. The typical highseccer doesn't want PvE to be good, because making it 'good' would likely involve them paying attention to their client to get the most out of it. The highseccer dream is PvE which is completely passive and risk free so they can leave it running for hour after hour while they sleep/go to work/ watch movies and then come back to the PC and see another billion isk in the wallet. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |

Cameron Cahill
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
106
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Posted - 2012.10.04 08:33:00 -
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D'Om K'vash wrote:The 15minute aggression timer is a flawed mechanic
No it is not, its is designed to stop supers/caps logging to avoid death, it is one of the best mechanics introduced in the last year.
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Cameron Cahill
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
106
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Posted - 2012.10.04 08:36:00 -
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Mai Khumm wrote:~2to5 out-of-goon alts ... well, will be hard to reach this numbers for anyone else. Exactly and seeing as most of these are trade/cyno/gank alts which spent most of their time in Highsec your few leading the masses mantra starts to look a bit flawed.......
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Alice Saki
8645
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Posted - 2012.10.04 08:39:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:I have seen many Threats like this.
I will run for HIGHSEC in CSM come next elections.
Yes! Scottish Interweb Spaceshippy Person, Very Easily Confused. I like to show my Love by Smashing people in the face with a big Hammer.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1525
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Posted - 2012.10.04 12:27:00 -
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Cameron Cahill wrote:Mai Khumm wrote:~2to5 out-of-goon alts ... well, will be hard to reach this numbers for anyone else. Exactly and seeing as most of these are trade/cyno/gank alts which spent most of their time in Highsec your few leading the masses mantra starts to look a bit flawed....... The masses of highsec NPC corp gank alts will show their power by voting ~~ Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
881
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Posted - 2012.10.04 15:34:00 -
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D'Om K'vash wrote:I'm going through list of csm members and all i see is null sec.. null sec.. null sec.. worm hole.. null sec.. i mean jesus christ the keys to the asylum have been handed to the inmates. what is it 20% of all players live in null and they are 80%of the eve community representation.. ******* awesome ccp. No wonder there is a 15minute aggression timer for a ship getting pointed. Dull sec goons put it there so they can make billions ganking freighters with their bump machariels and 2 day condors points to get aggression. What a joke.
Seriously, if you are rating the CSM representatives based on where you think they come from and for which sector of space they speak on behalf on, your logic is seriously flawed and you have not taken the time to actually read-up individual characteristics. For the most part, these are a bunch of pretty intelligent people who know EVE. Their intention is never to "break" EVE, no matter what conspiracy theory you ascribe to.
For my part, I recommend you look-up and read Hans Jagerblitzen's blog. Just saying.
o7
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |

Josef Djugashvilis
635
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Posted - 2012.10.04 15:58:00 -
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James 315 wrote:Hmmm... Highsec could use some representation on the CSM, as long as it's the right person for the job. 
Anyone but you then james.
Hell, mittens would be able to represent hi-sec better than you and your weird single track obsession with miners. Too old, tired and ugly to care. |

HollyShocker 2inthestink
State War Academy Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2012.10.04 16:17:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:D'Om K'vash wrote:more eve politics and that there is no representative for high sec. The 15minute aggression timer is a flawed mechanic and has no one to argue this point for the eve players who think so. It's only represented by the gankers. I'm saying that the richest players in eve are allowed to prey on the poorest and newest, and are allowed to set the rules without resistance.
Also "whats good for null and low is good for high sec" is a very funny statement and probably comes from a goon. The few should not be allowed to control the many and the weakest and poorest of eve players should have representation. Instead of being scoffed at when they make their points by the richest and oldest of the community who like a particular part of the game.
People that enjoy high sec and what it has to offer should be allowed to enjoy that part of the game and have representation to say what they would like changed.
Also you say nothing stops you.. well the problem is yah when the few in null sec have thousand man alliances and the isk to have 10 accounts so that they can throw infinite votes at their candidates. Then yah there is a barrier for newer less rich players to get into csm. Goons make up 1% of the population. Tell us more about how we out vote everyone in highsec.
I think the OP already stated how. Goons with its endless supply of ISK from moon goo and various other income allows one player to finance 10 or more alt accounts. Hi-sec is made up of majority of casual players that dont care about meta or forum trolls or politics. Good for them I say. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9711
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Posted - 2012.10.04 16:20:00 -
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HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:baltec1 wrote:Goons make up 1% of the population. Tell us more about how we out vote everyone in highsec. I think the OP already stated how. Goons with its endless supply of ISK from moon goo and various other income allows one player to finance 10 or more alt accounts. Ok, then they make up 10% of the population and the question remains the same. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
1884
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Posted - 2012.10.04 16:20:00 -
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^lol |

Lord Zim
1583
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Posted - 2012.10.04 16:48:00 -
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Tippia wrote:HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:baltec1 wrote:Goons make up 1% of the population. Tell us more about how we out vote everyone in highsec. I think the OP already stated how. Goons with its endless supply of ISK from moon goo and various other income allows one player to finance 10 or more alt accounts. Ok, then they make up 10% of the population and the question remains the same. devswarm federation, of course. Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1525
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Posted - 2012.10.04 18:39:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Tippia wrote:HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:baltec1 wrote:Goons make up 1% of the population. Tell us more about how we out vote everyone in highsec. I think the OP already stated how. Goons with its endless supply of ISK from moon goo and various other income allows one player to finance 10 or more alt accounts. Ok, then they make up 10% of the population and the question remains the same. devswarm federation, of course. ^___^
I can't wait to see someone with a DSF. corp tag Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp
2892
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Posted - 2012.10.04 18:46:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:James 315 wrote:Hmmm... Highsec could use some representation on the CSM, as long as it's the right person for the job.  Anyone but you then james. Hell, mittens would be able to represent hi-sec better than you and your weird single track obsession with miners. What's wrong with focusing and gaining expertise on one element of the game? EVE is all about specialization. 
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ MinerBumping.com -½-½-½-½-½-½-½-½-½-½The daily saga of the New Order's quest to conquer all highsec by bumping miners out of range. |

Shizuken
Venerated Stars
99
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Posted - 2012.10.04 19:00:00 -
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lanyaie wrote:D'Om K'vash wrote:I'm going through list of csm members and all i see is null sec.. null sec.. null sec.. worm hole.. null sec.. i mean jesus christ the keys to the asylum have been handed to the inmates. what is it 20% of all players live in null and they are 80%of the eve community representation.. ******* awesome ccp. No wonder there is a 15minute aggression timer for a ship getting pointed. Dull sec goons put it there so they can make billions ganking freighters with their bump machariels and 2 day condors points to get aggression. What a joke. You just lost a freighter I assume? Also nothing is stopping you from becoming CSM for highsec or for getting someone to become CSM for highsec. Wait basically what do goons have to do with everything? Is that the best reason? if you look at the statistics you basically see more people live in highsec, SO if all those were to participate within the community and vote highsec CSM'S would Always make sure they get a seat as CSM all it requires is efforts but as seen with the tengu and drake nerf whining+Finding ways to defend yourself, you guys don't like putting effort into something.
I agree insofar as there is a CSM bias towards null, but I dont think its intentional. I would guess it has more to do with the fact that nulls care more in general and want to participate. I would also guess that people with null experience tend to seem more qualified and therefore get more votes. Also, as I have noticed with myself, if you go to null with the goal of experiencing it to broaden your knowledge then you see that it is simply better and more fun than highsec. At this point I see little value in packing up and going back to playing only in highsec. If I run for CSM then I would be running presumably as a null rep. I am still a carebear at heart though, and I dont go out of my way to make life hard for other players. |

Shizuken
Venerated Stars
99
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Posted - 2012.10.04 19:03:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:James 315 wrote:Hmmm... Highsec could use some representation on the CSM, as long as it's the right person for the job.  Anyone but you then james. Hell, mittens would be able to represent hi-sec better than you and your weird single track obsession with miners.
Agreed. Its like miners and carebears killed his parents or something.
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1739
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Posted - 2012.10.04 20:37:00 -
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This thread again? We made it clear last time:
EVE NEEDS JAMES 315 FOR CSM!!!
Doesn't matter if Eve wants him for CSM. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
2180
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Posted - 2012.10.04 21:02:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:D'Om K'vash wrote:I'm going through list of csm members and all i see is null sec.. null sec.. null sec.. worm hole.. null sec.. i mean jesus christ the keys to the asylum have been handed to the inmates. what is it 20% of all players live in null and they are 80%of the eve community representation.. ******* awesome ccp. No wonder there is a 15minute aggression timer for a ship getting pointed. Dull sec goons put it there so they can make billions ganking freighters with their bump machariels and 2 day condors points to get aggression. What a joke. During the elections I was VERY vocal on the forums about this. High-sec needs to pick a candidate and unite behind him or her. Instead, you guys are so disorganized you split your votes between a dozen candidates. Certain high-sec players even expressed on the forums that they would not support a unified candidate. That's problematic, to say the very least, considering your adversaries in these elections are better organized than most high-sec players could imagine.So my advice is to establish a high-sec candidate by whatever means necessary and try to get your fellow...erm...players to do likewise. Otherwise, no, there will never be a high-sec CSM representative due to vote-splitting. My 2 ISK. [EDIT] Oh damn. I totally forgot about Issler. Where is she anyway? LOL [/EDIT]
Here doing my job... :-)
Issler |

Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
1316
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Posted - 2012.10.04 21:03:00 -
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It looks to me like your constituency is in need, though I can't imagine of what.  He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

HollyShocker 2inthestink
State War Academy Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2012.10.04 21:12:00 -
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Tippia wrote:HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:baltec1 wrote:Goons make up 1% of the population. Tell us more about how we out vote everyone in highsec. I think the OP already stated how. Goons with its endless supply of ISK from moon goo and various other income allows one player to finance 10 or more alt accounts. Ok, then they make up 10% of the population and the question remains the same.
Tipia do you really need me to do the math for you? |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9739
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Posted - 2012.10.04 21:15:00 -
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HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:Tipia do you really need me to do the math for you? I would very much like to see this maths that makes an invented 10% of the EVE population be more than the mythical 80% of the EVE population, yes.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
374
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Posted - 2012.10.05 00:47:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:D'Om K'vash wrote:I'm going through list of csm members and all i see is null sec.. null sec.. null sec.. worm hole.. null sec.. i mean jesus christ the keys to the asylum have been handed to the inmates. what is it 20% of all players live in null and they are 80%of the eve community representation.. ******* awesome ccp. No wonder there is a 15minute aggression timer for a ship getting pointed. Dull sec goons put it there so they can make billions ganking freighters with their bump machariels and 2 day condors points to get aggression. What a joke. During the elections I was VERY vocal on the forums about this. High-sec needs to pick a candidate and unite behind him or her. Instead, you guys are so disorganized you split your votes between a dozen candidates. Certain high-sec players even expressed on the forums that they would not support a unified candidate. That's problematic, to say the very least, considering your adversaries in these elections are better organized than most high-sec players could imagine.So my advice is to establish a high-sec candidate by whatever means necessary and try to get your fellow...erm...players to do likewise. Otherwise, no, there will never be a high-sec CSM representative due to vote-splitting. My 2 ISK. [EDIT] Oh damn. I totally forgot about Issler. Where is she anyway? LOL [/EDIT] Here doing my job... :-) Issler
THE SUPPOSED hi sec REP SAID 5 WORDS IN THE FORUMS \o/
5 more words & (s)he ties the number of words in the CSM minutes /o\
Well according to this https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=search&postedby=Issler+Dainze every 2weeksyou do 4-5 posts so I shouldn't be that hard on the HI SEC REP... HMMM your corp/alliance owns NULL SOV SPACE , huh? HI SEC REPPing at its best  Nostalgie ist die Faehigkeit, darueber zu trauern, dass es nicht mehr so ist, wie es frueher nicht gewesen ist. -- Manfred Rommel-á |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
1886
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Posted - 2012.10.05 01:06:00 -
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this is true, INK rents a wicked creek constellation from issler, she makes us pay her in raw jaspet which she then processes with her lvl 5 jaspet refining skills |

Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
1326
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Posted - 2012.10.05 01:08:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:this is true, INK rents a wicked creek constellation from issler, she makes us pay her in raw jaspet which she then processes with her lvl 5 jaspet refining skills Why am I reminded of the Countess from Diablo II?
Can anybody explain that? He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
2180
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Posted - 2012.10.05 02:26:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:D'Om K'vash wrote:I'm going through list of csm members and all i see is null sec.. null sec.. null sec.. worm hole.. null sec.. i mean jesus christ the keys to the asylum have been handed to the inmates. what is it 20% of all players live in null and they are 80%of the eve community representation.. ******* awesome ccp. No wonder there is a 15minute aggression timer for a ship getting pointed. Dull sec goons put it there so they can make billions ganking freighters with their bump machariels and 2 day condors points to get aggression. What a joke. During the elections I was VERY vocal on the forums about this. High-sec needs to pick a candidate and unite behind him or her. Instead, you guys are so disorganized you split your votes between a dozen candidates. Certain high-sec players even expressed on the forums that they would not support a unified candidate. That's problematic, to say the very least, considering your adversaries in these elections are better organized than most high-sec players could imagine.So my advice is to establish a high-sec candidate by whatever means necessary and try to get your fellow...erm...players to do likewise. Otherwise, no, there will never be a high-sec CSM representative due to vote-splitting. My 2 ISK. [EDIT] Oh damn. I totally forgot about Issler. Where is she anyway? LOL [/EDIT] Here doing my job... :-) Issler THE SUPPOSED hi sec REP SAID 5 WORDS IN THE FORUMS \o/ 5 more words & (s)he ties the number of words in the CSM minutes /o\ Well according to this https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=search&postedby=Issler+Dainzeevery 2weeksyou do 4-5 posts so I shouldn't be that hard on the HI SEC REP... HMMM your corp/alliance owns NULL SOV SPACE , huh? HI SEC REPPing at its best 
I think your post count is wrong and I am pretty sure BEEP doesn't have SOV! If we do I need to get right out there!
Please go to Jita park where I've made it pretty clear what I think I was elected to do and why I think I've done everything I promised if I was elected.
Issler
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