I'm going through list of csm members and all i see is null sec.. null sec.. null sec.. worm hole.. null sec.. i mean jesus christ the keys to the asylum have been handed to the inmates. what is it 20% of all players live in null and they are 80%of the eve community representation.. ******* awesome ccp. No wonder there is a 15minute aggression timer for a ship getting pointed. Dull sec goons put it there so they can make billions ganking freighters with their bump machariels and 2 day condors points to get aggression. What a joke.

You just lost a freighter I assume?
Also nothing is stopping you from becoming CSM for highsec or for getting someone to become CSM for highsec.

I'm going through list of csm members and all i see is null sec.. null sec.. null sec.. worm hole.. null sec.. i mean jesus christ the keys to the asylum have been handed to the inmates. what is it 20% of all players live in null and they are 80%of the eve community representation.. ******* awesome ccp. No wonder there is a 15minute aggression timer for a ship getting pointed. Dull sec goons put it there so they can make billions ganking freighters with their bump machariels and 2 day condors points to get aggression. What a joke.

more eve politics and that there is no representative for high sec. The 15minute aggression timer is a flawed mechanic and has no one to argue this point for the eve players who think so. It's only represented by the gankers. I'm saying that the richest players in eve are allowed to prey on the poorest and newest, and are allowed to set the rules without resistance.

Also "whats good for null and low is good for high sec" is a very funny statement and probably comes from a goon. The few should not be allowed to control the many and the weakest and poorest of eve players should have representation. Instead of being scoffed at when they make their points by the richest and oldest of the community who like a particular part of the game.

People that enjoy high sec and what it has to offer should be allowed to enjoy that part of the game and have representation to say what they would like changed.

Also you say nothing stops you.. well the problem is yah when the few in null sec have thousand man alliances and the isk to have 10 accounts so that they can throw infinite votes at their candidates. Then yah there is a barrier for newer less rich players to get into csm.

There will never be a high sec CSM member. When someone from high sec runs for CSM, null sec makes fun of them...

Maybe because the majority of hisec players doesn't really care about Eve or what's the future of Eve going to be? hence the lack of support or even candidates. CCP did nothing to prevent hisec players to take a seat in the CSM, it's the players fault for not doing so.

Sorry about the freighter loss bro, but this is Eve, random things happens sometimes for no reason or profit or just for the lulz. DWI.

Jim Era for CSM.

Hmmm... Highsec could use some representation on the CSM, as long as it's the right person for the job.

Are you denying James315's playstyle as a valid one? He lives in highsec, why are you trying to disenfranchise his voice

I'm going through list of csm members and all i see is null sec.. null sec.. null sec.. worm hole.. null sec.. i mean jesus christ the keys to the asylum have been handed to the inmates. what is it 20% of all players live in null and they are 80%of the eve community representation.. ******* awesome ccp. No wonder there is a 15minute aggression timer for a ship getting pointed. Dull sec goons put it there so they can make billions ganking freighters with their bump machariels and 2 day condors points to get aggression. What a joke.

I'm going through list of csm members and all i see is null sec.. null sec.. null sec.. worm hole.. null sec.. i mean jesus christ the keys to the asylum have been handed to the inmates. what is it 20% of all players live in null and they are 80%of the eve community representation.. ******* awesome ccp. No wonder there is a 15minute aggression timer for a ship getting pointed. Dull sec goons put it there so they can make billions ganking freighters with their bump machariels and 2 day condors points to get aggression. What a joke.

I'm going through list of csm members and all i see is null sec.. null sec.. null sec.. worm hole.. null sec.. i mean jesus christ the keys to the asylum have been handed to the inmates. what is it 20% of all players live in null and they are 80%of the eve community representation.. ******* awesome ccp. No wonder there is a 15minute aggression timer for a ship getting pointed. Dull sec goons put it there so they can make billions ganking freighters with their bump machariels and 2 day condors points to get aggression. What a joke.

I'm going through list of csm members and all i see is null sec.. null sec.. null sec.. worm hole.. null sec.. i mean jesus christ the keys to the asylum have been handed to the inmates. what is it 20% of all players live in null and they are 80%of the eve community representation.. ******* awesome ccp. No wonder there is a 15minute aggression timer for a ship getting pointed. Dull sec goons put it there so they can make billions ganking freighters with their bump machariels and 2 day condors points to get aggression. What a joke.

Oh damn. I totally forgot about Issler. Where is she anyway?

High-sec needs to pick a candidate and unite behind him or her. Instead, you guys are so disorganized you split your votes between a dozen candidates. Certain high-sec players even expressed on the forums that they would not support a unified candidate. That's problematic, to say the very least, considering your adversaries in these elections are better organized than most high-sec players could imagine.

I seem to recall a ton of bluster during the last election about "debating in the public spaces of EVE" and I was wondering where and when this was going to happen.

And they're completely ******* terrible. Dog **** would literally represent high-sec better.

Your prophets have forsaken you Highsec..

99% of the things that affect nullsec and lowsec in a positive way will also be beneficial to highsec players

Are you denying James315's playstyle as a valid one? He lives in highsec, why are you trying to disenfranchise his voice

I too would like an answer to this question.

I too would like an answer to this question.

Someone who griefs in high sec is hardly a representative of high sec.
That is the equivalent of suggesting some goon who spams Jita local all day and scams noobs is a high sec member.

Your stated purpose is to wipe out high sec.
I have lost count of the manifestos you have posted regarding your griefing of miners.
Nonetheless, I expect, you will get a ton of votes if you ran, based on every goon being TOLD to vote for you with their alts.

people say it's high sec peoples fault for not voting but that is an uneducated statement and naive, in that the alliance blocks have multiple accounts, that they afford by being some of the older players with most isk. they use these multiple accounts and isk they have in game to rig elections. There is a reason there is an alliance called "your vote doesn't count" I'm all for goons high sec ganking characters having a say in the discussion but my point is that there is no discussion right now. It's goons and their alts and allies yelling over the top of everyone else. "NO this is the way it has to be!"

And the one mechinism for players to be heard directly by ccp (CSM) is all null sec alliance members and one wh member.. which I'm sure does not represent the overall player base. I don't know the numbers but i highly doube 90% of people live in null sec.

I propose that ccp make it so that there are allotted positions for the various things in eve. Null, fw, high sec, pirating, ect ect.. and ccp should monitor who is linked to theses accounts so that goons cant just take one of their members other accounts and have it falsely represent a portion of the game they don't care about.

Also to say that null people have more invested in game is a bad argument. Why should my subscription be worth any less.. I have to actually pay for mine because i'm not in a null sec allinace with hundreds of trillions of iks so taht i can just buy plex with my account. New players and high sec care bears that enjoy that part of the game should receive a voice.

And frankly, all the null sec zealots are correct on this one. The high sec group, while being the largest demographic by an enormous margin, is not organized at all.

And given that such a small percentage of high sec even bothers to read the forums it is pretty much pointless,especially given the dictatorships that make up the goons, test, PL, -A-, etc have the ability to marshall their voters so, so much easier than high sec.

Further, it is abundantly clear through CCP's actions (destruction of meta 0 items in missions, destruction of incursions, destruction of datacore farming, gloating about burn Jita and Hulkageddon and using them as marketing tools, now the destruction of drones in high sec missioning) that CCP has a significant element within that sympathize with the null sec zealots.

Within 4 more more releases (2 years), high sec will not exist if the zealots have their way, inside and outside of CCP.
The only thing that will stop them is the subscription numbers. If the subs drop too much, then the null sec zealots might be forced to stop their unrelenting attack on high sec. Otherwise, the game in high sec will be unrecognizable within 2 years.

I now await the cheering from the null sec propaganda team stating "it can't happen fast enough".

The bottom line is that the null sec zealots can't conquer high sec under the current game mechanics, hence their pathological need to wipe out the current mechanics and replace them with mechanics that they want, ones that allow them to subjugate EVERY Eve player.

And frankly, all the null sec zealots are correct on this one. The high sec group, while being the largest demographic by an enormous margin, is not organized at all.

And given that such a small percentage of high sec even bothers to read the forums it is pretty much pointless,especially given the dictatorships that make up the goons, test, PL, -A-, etc have the ability to marshall their voters so, so much easier than high sec.

Further, it is abundantly clear through CCP's actions (destruction of meta 0 items in missions, destruction of incursions, destruction of datacore farming, gloating about burn Jita and Hulkageddon and using them as marketing tools, now the destruction of drones in high sec missioning) that CCP has a significant element within that sympathize with the null sec zealots.

Within 4 more more releases (2 years), high sec will not exist if the zealots have their way, inside and outside of CCP.
The only thing that will stop them is the subscription numbers. If the subs drop too much, then the null sec zealots might be forced to stop their unrelenting attack on high sec. Otherwise, the game in high sec will be unrecognizable within 2 years.

I now await the cheering from the null sec propaganda team stating "it can't happen fast enough".

The bottom line is that the null sec zealots can't conquer high sec under the current game mechanics, hence their pathological need to wipe out the current mechanics and replace them with mechanics that they want, ones that allow them to subjugate EVERY Eve player.

And frankly, all the null sec zealots are correct on this one. The high sec group, while being the largest demographic by an enormous margin, is not organized at all.

And given that such a small percentage of high sec even bothers to read the forums it is pretty much pointless,especially given the dictatorships that make up the goons, test, PL, -A-, etc have the ability to marshall their voters so, so much easier than high sec.

Further, it is abundantly clear through CCP's actions (destruction of meta 0 items in missions, destruction of incursions, destruction of datacore farming, gloating about burn Jita and Hulkageddon and using them as marketing tools, now the destruction of drones in high sec missioning) that CCP has a significant element within that sympathize with the null sec zealots.

Within 4 more more releases (2 years), high sec will not exist if the zealots have their way, inside and outside of CCP.
The only thing that will stop them is the subscription numbers. If the subs drop too much, then the null sec zealots might be forced to stop their unrelenting attack on high sec. Otherwise, the game in high sec will be unrecognizable within 2 years.

I now await the cheering from the null sec propaganda team stating "it can't happen fast enough".

The bottom line is that the null sec zealots can't conquer high sec under the current game mechanics, hence their pathological need to wipe out the current mechanics and replace them with mechanics that they want, ones that allow them to subjugate EVERY Eve player.

And frankly, all the null sec zealots are correct on this one. The high sec group, while being the largest demographic by an enormous margin, is not organized at all.

And given that such a small percentage of high sec even bothers to read the forums it is pretty much pointless,especially given the dictatorships that make up the goons, test, PL, -A-, etc have the ability to marshall their voters so, so much easier than high sec.

Further, it is abundantly clear through CCP's actions (destruction of meta 0 items in missions, destruction of incursions, destruction of datacore farming, gloating about burn Jita and Hulkageddon and using them as marketing tools, now the destruction of drones in high sec missioning) that CCP has a significant element within that sympathize with the null sec zealots.

Within 4 more more releases (2 years), high sec will not exist if the zealots have their way, inside and outside of CCP.
The only thing that will stop them is the subscription numbers. If the subs drop too much, then the null sec zealots might be forced to stop their unrelenting attack on high sec. Otherwise, the game in high sec will be unrecognizable within 2 years.

I now await the cheering from the null sec propaganda team stating "it can't happen fast enough".

The bottom line is that the null sec zealots can't conquer high sec under the current game mechanics, hence their pathological need to wipe out the current mechanics and replace them with mechanics that they want, ones that allow them to subjugate EVERY Eve player.

It's absurd to suggest that we have to get organized like that when we can't get assurances that we wont just be putting a goon alt in.

This is my point, we don't just need a voice in csm we need someone in ccp. I mean you petition something and you get a response form gmNijapirate i mean come on. high sec players are new and in small corps so of course we arn't going to be as organized as a 5 year character living in couple thousand player alliance. It's absurd to suggest that we have to get organized like that when we can't get assurances that we wont just be putting a goon alt in.

I'm going through list of csm members and all i see is null sec.. null sec.. null sec.. worm hole.. null sec.. i mean jesus christ the keys to the asylum have been handed to the inmates. what is it 20% of all players live in null and they are 80%of the eve community representation

Yep, it's totally absurd to ask players from highsec to organize themselves in a multiplayer game...

And, if CCP introduced the "highsec-candidate" position, how many do you think are going to vote James315 and how many some other scrub that no one knows about. He's as much of a valid highsec player as everyone else, so there is no way you could stop his election.

Again, it's hard to organize when you have no assurances of the candidates allegiance.

high sec players are new and in small corps so of course we arn't going to be as organized as a 5 year character living in couple thousand player alliance.

Again, it's hard to organize when you have no assurances of the candidates allegiance.

There's a vast number of old guard players who've been living in highsec mining and missioning and trading away for years and years.

The problem with highsec is that the players who live there are so thoroughly mollycoddled by CONCORD and the comforts of Empire that it encourages an insular and narrow playstyle which doesn't translate well to the requirements of CSM campaigning or the responsibilities of office. That's why we tend to find that the most effective CSMs come from 0.0, whereas highsec CSMs are mostly ineffective and anonymous grey suits, nakedly self-serving, and/or batshit insane.

If you want highsec CSMs, change highsec.

Oh, and your dear leader is the shining example of a someone who is NOT self-serving?
Oh, and let's not forget that little thing where he was booted in disgrace from the current CSM for displaying some sociopathic tendencies.

Gotta love goons. Facts and reality and zero bearing when you have a good story.

Oh, and your dear leader is the shining example of a someone who is NOT self-serving?

Facts and reality and zero bearing when you have a good story.

We have no 'assurances' that any 0.0 candidate won't get in and immediately reveal themselves as a L4 running carebear who wants CCP to delete 0.0 and ban highsec aggression. We have to evaluate the candidates and make our choices accordingly. Why should you be treated any differently?

'Oh its so hard to organise' is a red herring and you know it. It's just as hard for everyone else, but they get off their backsides and do it anyway, whilst highseccers whine and complain for big mummy CCP to hold their hands and wipe their arses for them.

I'm going through list of csm members and all i see is null sec.. null sec.. null sec.. worm hole.. null sec.. i mean jesus christ the keys to the asylum have been handed to the inmates. what is it 20% of all players live in null and they are 80%of the eve community representation.. ******* awesome ccp. No wonder there is a 15minute aggression timer for a ship getting pointed. Dull sec goons put it there so they can make billions ganking freighters with their bump machariels and 2 day condors points to get aggression. What a joke.

people say it's high sec peoples fault for not voting but that is an uneducated statement and naive, in that the alliance blocks have multiple accounts, that they afford by being some of the older players with most isk. they use these multiple accounts and isk they have in game to rig elections. There is a reason there is an alliance called "your vote doesn't count" I'm all for goons high sec ganking characters having a say in the discussion but my point is that there is no discussion right now. It's goons and their alts and allies yelling over the top of everyone else. "NO this is the way it has to be!"

And the one mechinism for players to be heard directly by ccp (CSM) is all null sec alliance members and one wh member.. which I'm sure does not represent the overall player base. I don't know the numbers but i highly doube 90% of people live in null sec.

I propose that ccp make it so that there are allotted positions for the various things in eve. Null, fw, high sec, pirating, ect ect.. and ccp should monitor who is linked to theses accounts so that goons cant just take one of their members other accounts and have it falsely represent a portion of the game they don't care about.

Also to say that null people have more invested in game is a bad argument. Why should my subscription be worth any less.. I have to actually pay for mine because i'm not in a null sec allinace with hundreds of trillions of iks so taht i can just buy plex with my account. New players and high sec care bears that enjoy that part of the game should receive a voice.

We have no 'assurances' that any 0.0 candidate won't get in and immediately reveal themselves as a L4 running carebear who wants CCP to delete 0.0 and ban highsec aggression. We have to evaluate the candidates and make our choices accordingly. Why should you be treated any differently?

'Oh its so hard to organise' is a red herring and you know it. It's just as hard for everyone else, but they get off their backsides and do it anyway, whilst highseccers whine and complain for big mummy CCP to hold their hands and wipe their arses for them.

Someone who griefs in high sec is hardly a representative of high sec.
That is the equivalent of suggesting some goon who spams Jita local all day and scams noobs is a high sec member.

Your stated purpose is to wipe out high sec.
I have lost count of the manifestos you have posted regarding your griefing of miners.
Nonetheless, I expect, you will get a ton of votes if you ran, based on every goon being TOLD to vote for you with their alts.

HAHA thats funny, yah i'm sure goons have a real problem with high sec spy infiltrators bringing down your organization. You are funny. It is not the same and you know it. Goons are teh ones who inflitrate every aspect of the game with alts and manipulate the game for their favor. Not high sec care bears.. we don't have the people or the funds like you do.

All i'm asking for is a person who represents high sec interests that i can go to and will at lease bring those concerns to csm.. which will be shot down by all the other members who are null sec but at least there is one person to represent. If high sec was able to get behind a candidate we would at least have one there are way more players in high sec then in null. The fact we are not able to even get one shows that it's just another system goons are able to manipulate with their numbers and wealth.

to answer whats not being represented..

High sec ganking concerns of the high sec members.
aggression timer mechanic that was put in for cap fleet warfare and didn't consider how it would effect high sec freighter pilots.
(If there is 15miute timer then freighters which are capitals then need to have capital type tanks).. or have shorter timer for high sec.
market manipulation through fw and through mineral manipulation that makes everything more expensive and creates financial barriers to newer players.
incursions which have been changed back and forth with no high sec voice.
missions which no one in null cares about has no high sec influence.

and many more .. also jsut to have representation is all i ask. To just say get organized in high sec is naive we have different problems then you do and to say "we have same problem in goons" no you dont thats like a rich person saying he has the same problems as a factory worker

All i'm asking for is a person who represents high sec interests that i can go to and will at lease bring those concerns to csm.

High sec ganking concerns of the high sec members.
aggression timer mechanic that was put in for cap fleet warfare and didn't consider how it would effect high sec freighter pilots.
(If there is 15miute timer then freighters which are capitals then need to have capital type tanks).. or have shorter timer for high sec.
market manipulation through fw and through mineral manipulation that makes everything more expensive and creates financial barriers to newer players.
incursions which have been changed back and forth with no high sec voice.
missions which no one in null cares about has no high sec influence.

To just say get organized in high sec is naive we have different problems then you do

GǪand you have two. If you want more, go out there and organise a campaign for more. It's really as simple as that.

If highsec really wants to vote someone to represent their interests, they would have done so.

Wormhole space managed to put a CSM in second place after Mittani, despite the fact that wormhole space is the least inhabited space in all of eve.

He doesn't want to EARN more he wants to be GIVEN more.

I'm going through list of csm members and all i see is null sec.. null sec.. null sec.. worm hole.. null sec.. i mean jesus christ the keys to the asylum have been handed to the inmates. what is it 20% of all players live in null and they are 80%of the eve community representation.. ******* awesome ccp. No wonder there is a 15minute aggression timer for a ship getting pointed. Dull sec goons put it there so they can make billions ganking freighters with their bump machariels and 2 day condors points to get aggression. What a joke.

Hisec is not motivated to vote because they have basically everything they want - safety, ridiculously low risk activities with ridiculously high reward, etc. etc.

Most of them don't view hisec as 'broken' the way you do because they either a) accept that a freighter hauling 10b of goods is going to get ganked or b) are hilariously unaware that ganks happen.

Considering the visibility of these ganks (they routinely top killboards, they're ~quite~ visible, etc etc) I don't think it's case B.

what is it 20% of all players live in null and they are 80%of the eve community representation..

I have seen many Threats like this.

I will run for HIGHSEC in CSM come next elections.

James 315 for CSM!

Said it before, will say it again.

Oh, and your dear leader is the shining example of a someone who is NOT self-serving?
Oh, and let's not forget that little thing where he was booted in disgrace from the current CSM for displaying some sociopathic tendencies.

Gotta love goons. Facts and reality and zero bearing when you have a good story.

You just lost a freighter I assume?
Also nothing is stopping you from becoming CSM for highsec or for getting someone to become CSM for highsec.

(snip).

There will never be a high sec CSM member. When someone from high sec runs for CSM, null sec makes fun of them...

Why on earth does CCP have to do everything "for the sake of high-sec?"
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not to mention you have a CSM or two right now.

Because the voting system is gamed for large alliances. Large alliances are not suitable for HI SEC

not to mention you have a CSM or two right now.

Because the voting system is gamed for large alliances. Large alliances are not suitable for HI SEC

^This.

As PvP guys allways belive, they are the most important players they would NEVER respect a PvE CSM (just imagin Mitani together with a PvE guy in one room ... every argument of the PvE guy would be anihilated with "EvE is PvP sucker!!!!1111 Shut up damit!!").
Even if there would be one ... he would have no ears at CCP anyway.

PS: He didn't get that many votes as he is so competent or great ... he just abused the IMENS Goon-infrastructur for his propaganda (forum+voice chat+massager+ingame chats/tools). And as every goon-char has backup from ~2to5 out-of-goon alts ... well, will be hard to reach this numbers for anyone else.

Believe it or not, nullsec players care about the game way more than highsec players. This is because highsec players are a majority of casual players who play probably 4 hours a week.
It takes dedication to be part of nullsec

Protip: being enthusiastic about PVE does not mean you're against PVP gameplay and vice versa.

If a PVE focused candidate was all "PVE content should be good" rather than "PVP should be diminished or restricted so I can do bad PVE content in peace" then no reasonable person would object to it.

The 15minute aggression timer is a flawed mechanic

~2to5 out-of-goon alts ... well, will be hard to reach this numbers for anyone else.

I have seen many Threats like this.

I will run for HIGHSEC in CSM come next elections.

Exactly and seeing as most of these are trade/cyno/gank alts which spent most of their time in Highsec your few leading the masses mantra starts to look a bit flawed.......

I'm going through list of csm members and all i see is null sec.. null sec.. null sec.. worm hole.. null sec.. i mean jesus christ the keys to the asylum have been handed to the inmates. what is it 20% of all players live in null and they are 80%of the eve community representation.. ******* awesome ccp. No wonder there is a 15minute aggression timer for a ship getting pointed. Dull sec goons put it there so they can make billions ganking freighters with their bump machariels and 2 day condors points to get aggression. What a joke.

Hmmm... Highsec could use some representation on the CSM, as long as it's the right person for the job.

Goons make up 1% of the population. Tell us more about how we out vote everyone in highsec.

I think the OP already stated how. Goons with its endless supply of ISK from moon goo and various other income allows one player to finance 10 or more alt accounts.

Ok, then they make up 10% of the population and the question remains the same.

devswarm federation, of course.

Anyone but you then james.

Hell, mittens would be able to represent hi-sec better than you and your weird single track obsession with miners.

You just lost a freighter I assume?
Also nothing is stopping you from becoming CSM for highsec or for getting someone to become CSM for highsec.

Wait basically what do goons have to do with everything? Is that the best reason? if you look at the statistics you basically see more people live in highsec, SO if all those were to participate within the community and vote highsec CSM'S would Always make sure they get a seat as CSM all it requires is efforts but as seen with the tengu and drake nerf whining+Finding ways to defend yourself, you guys don't like putting effort into something.

Anyone but you then james.

Hell, mittens would be able to represent hi-sec better than you and your weird single track obsession with miners.

During the elections I was VERY vocal on the forums about this.

High-sec needs to pick a candidate and unite behind him or her. Instead, you guys are so disorganized you split your votes between a dozen candidates. Certain high-sec players even expressed on the forums that they would not support a unified candidate. That's problematic, to say the very least, considering your adversaries in these elections are better organized than most high-sec players could imagine.

So my advice is to establish a high-sec candidate by whatever means necessary and try to get your fellow...erm...players to do likewise. Otherwise, no, there will never be a high-sec CSM representative due to vote-splitting.

My 2 ISK.
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Oh damn. I totally forgot about Issler. Where is she anyway?

LOL
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Ok, then they make up 10% of the population and the question remains the same.

Tipia do you really need me to do the math for you?

Here doing my job... :-)

Issler

this is true, INK rents a wicked creek constellation from issler, she makes us pay her in raw jaspet which she then processes with her lvl 5 jaspet refining skills

THE SUPPOSED hi sec REP SAID 5 WORDS IN THE FORUMS \o/

5 more words & (s)he ties the number of words in the CSM minutes /o\

Well according to this https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=search&postedby=Issler+Dainze
every 2weeksyou do 4-5 posts so I shouldn't be that hard on the HI SEC REP...
HMMM your corp/alliance owns NULL SOV SPACE , huh? HI SEC REPPing at its best

this is true, INK rents a wicked creek constellation from issler, she makes us pay her in raw jaspet which she then processes with her lvl 5 jaspet refining skills

Nominates James 315

Might as well.