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Renan Ruivo Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance 48	Posted - 2011.09.30 15:58:00 - [1] - Quote So yeah i posted this before but people made it get locked so i won't even link anything, to make sure it doesn't get started again. Apparently the message got through to CCP (and i bet many on their office had a big laugh over this) but i think more people should be made aware (and laugh too, lol) Basically, from the outsider point of view, on this relationship we have in EVE Online, CCP has become the husband and the community has become the wife. Know why the problems lately? Simple... our marriage just hit the 9 year old mark (you other divorced dudes know what that means). 9 years ago everything CCP did was, to us, a bunch of "oooohhs" and "aaaahs" and "Oh! We love you for that!". Now? The marriage went cold... Nothing CCP does surprises us anymore.. they don't give us roses anymore.. they don't take us places.. Everything they do nowadays is promises promises promises... and they deliver nuthin. They just keep living in this world of theirs, with their own dreams about our future and we can no loger believe in them. They keep coming with these crazy ideas about what it is that we would like them to do (they still want to make us happy), they're failing miserably at it and we resent them for it. And to make matter worse, now CCP has not one, but two affairs!!! (DUST, WoD). They hurt us.... they hurt us.. And the truth is, when somebody hurts us we want them to pay! So our version of getting them to pay is that we get "bitter" and unforgiving "we're not going to forgive you!". The problem is, the only one who hurts is the one who doesn't want to forgive. Unforgiveness is like taking poison hoping the other guy will die And since we don't forgive anything they do, CCP now is growing more and more frustrated with us because no matter what they seem to do, we think its wrong and we don't forgive them for even proposing it. And worse, we just keep adding to the list of bad things they do.. So now, CCP won't even talk to us any longer. We need to learn how to forgive! But for so many of us forgiveness is hard "Sobbing :Ooh i can't do it .. they hurt me its so hard!" because you don't understand what forgiveness is! (And stay with me, i'm borrowing things from a guy who some might know). Forgiveness is an Act. It is NOT an EMOTION. You might feel the pain of what CCP did to you to the day you die. It has NOTHING to do with forgiveness Forgiveness is NOT an Erasure of Your MEMORY. You might remember what CCP did to you, to the day you die. Forgiveness is when you say "I forgive you, i will never use it against you in the future. I will never speak of it again to you, or to anyone else.". Forgiveness has more to do with your tongue (or in this case, your fingers) than your head, or your heart. If you're still talking it through, you haven forgiven. You need to hush.. You need to let it go. That's forgiveness. That's how we get them to feel safe about talking and sharing with us again. Now, naturally, before we even propose forgiveness.. before we even begin to consider never ever bringing back CCP's old wrongdoings, they need to commit themselves to this and to acknowlodge the error of their ways, and the reason why we got so hurt by them to begin with. Only then will they be able to look at it and say "I understand why i hurt you, and that was not my intention. I promise never to do it again". So. Hoping that all of that got through to both parties, i want CCP and EVE's Community (us) to stand here (starts playing cheesy music). And i want you to turn to each other.. "Sobbing: OP you said that it wouldn't be anything emotional!!!!". Don't worry... it will be alright... Now i will tell you both what to say. This is strong stuff: Plays cheesy guitar music For CCP, looking at the community.. i want you to repeat this. Looking at your players from your heart i want you to say this: Quote: Honey, We're sorry, for not always being the kind of developers we should be to you. For not giving you the attention you deserve. For being too caught up in my own world instead of our world. For promising too much, and not giving enough. For not loving you like we should. Please forgive us.. With your love, your support, your patience and your understanding we will strive to be the kind of developers you deserve us to be. Now gir.... fellow players its your turn.. i want you to hold CCP's hand and i want you to say this: Quote: Honey, We're sorry. For not always being the kind of community we should be to you. For not always appreciating all that you do.. For not always being the supporters we need to be. For not always believing in your hopes and dreams. For not respecting you like we should. Please forgive us. With your love, your understanding, and your attention, we will strive to be the kind of community you need us to be Didn't that feel good? "Sobbing: I don't understand he said he'd make us laugh and he made us cryyyy!!!! I'm so confuuused!!" Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand.
Renan Ruivo Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance 48	Posted - 2011.09.30 16:05:00 - [2] - Quote Now i'm double posting because i ran out of text space.. never though that'd happen LOL... Jokes aside, (and include me in the player's quote as well since i had my fair share of senseless CCP bashing) i hope both sides understand that mistakes have been made, and that yes the marriage analogy works well for our case because after all, it has been 9 years we're together and so problems ought to happen when we try to keep pretending that whatever it is that is happening is the other one's fault, instead of taking a deep look inside and discovering what it is that we're doing that is making the other one suffer. Yes, CCP has done a lot wrong.. they've promised content they never delivered, they ignored us when we pointed out things we saw as being wrong and they did things we did not like, so even though it was wrong, all that they have done over the last 9 years was with their best wishes to make this work and make us happy with EVE. They never intended for us to be so rallied up like we are, so they've done even more mistakes in shutting down and stopping communicating with us and that behaviour has been entirely our fault. Yes, WE have done wrong too in growing bitter, angry and unforgiving in that no matter what they did.. we bashed them and we discouraged them and we criticized them, not giving enough praise when they did something right. Instead just going on and saying (Heh.. this is what you should be doing in the first place so keep trying not to suck). So they've shut down, because it started to seem that no matter what they did or said that we would never be pleased and we would never be that loving girl we were 9 years ago. What did they do? They start going behind the curtain doing stuff away from our eyes because now they weren't looking for our approval, they are simply hiding from our ever-disapproving gaze. No wonder they now want to try and start over with new, young and more optimistic girl... ahem.. communities in DUST 514 and World of Darkness. We have sucked the life out of them. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand.
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc. 14	Posted - 2011.09.30 16:08:00 - [3] - Quote :In stunned disbelief I have read something in GD that makes me look at my current relationship and think I have a long road ahead of me, some forgivness I need to work on and some communication that needs improving. Slade
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx 50	Posted - 2011.09.30 16:18:00 - [4] - Quote I don't know dude, I think a "pusher-user" analogy would make a much better fit.
Cipher Jones 47	Posted - 2011.09.30 16:21:00 - [5] - Quote No. The only thing Eve and marriage have in common is that more people around here should try them before posting about them. See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die.
Renan Ruivo Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance 48	Posted - 2011.09.30 16:23:00 - [6] - Quote Razin wrote: I don't know dude, I think a "pusher-user" analogy would make a much better fit. Doesn't need to. Pusher-user analogy does not have a happy ending. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force 359	Posted - 2011.09.30 16:37:00 - [7] - Quote Mild disbelief : You're not really talking about forgiving, you're talking either about repressing or forgetting. Forgiving does not mean you stop talking about it (quite the opposite), it just means you talk about it with no resentment, but as cautionary tale (or just a tale). http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection
Renan Ruivo Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance 48	Posted - 2011.09.30 16:55:00 - [8] - Quote Akita T wrote: Mild disbelief : You're not really talking about forgiving, you're talking either about repressing or forgetting. Forgiving does not mean you stop talking about it (quite the opposite), it just means you talk about it with no resentment, but as cautionary tale (or just a tale). No, you're quite right. If its still worth talking about, its not worth forgiving now is it? I'm talking about forgiving that which deserves to be forgiven. For that, CCP must do the work not you. CCP had ships propulsion unballanced. That was a mistake... they fixed it (nano nerf) We forgave them in the way that we no longer mention it (with resentment, like you put it) to CCP when talking about other matters. Ain't nothing that is being criticized about CCP at the moment is worth forgiving, for now. They need to acknowlodge whats wrong and they need to work on fixing it. So far it seems that they've recognized some of what is wrong (but not all) and are apparently trying to fix it. What must be done, is that we have to make them know that "If you REALLY fix it, we will forgive you". Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand.
Long John Silver Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2011.09.30 17:17:00 - [9] - Quote This thread is FAR too intense. As a dude who's been married happily for over 20 years, my advice is to chill a bit more. Long John Silver \| Pirate Alt-áand Forum Troll.
Abrazzar 139	Posted - 2011.09.30 17:23:00 - [10] - Quote So I suppose this is the cheese for all the wine? Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
mkint 88	Posted - 2011.09.30 17:55:00 - [11] - Quote Sure... all they need to do is stop seeing their mistresses, which is all that most of us wanted in the first place (and some reasonable, believable assurances that they aren't going to be pulling the same old crap over again... the first step in forgiveness is an apology, outside of the "whoops, we've been caught" we haven't really seen one.)
trexinatux Bipedal Carnivore Club 4	Posted - 2011.09.30 18:01:00 - [12] - Quote You consider your relationship with Eve a marriage? Duder, you need a break from the game, seriously.
Cydori School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 1	Posted - 2011.09.30 18:03:00 - [13] - Quote Then CCP has been cheating on us with WoD. Typical.
Renan Ruivo Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance 48	Posted - 2011.09.30 18:19:00 - [14] - Quote trexinatux wrote: You consider your relationship with Eve a marriage? Duder, you need a break from the game, seriously. Its an analogy. And a light-hearted analogy even. Someone suggested making a pusher-user analogy but that is not so light-hearted nor productive. In actuallity our relationship with CCP is a mix between artist-fan and business-client. Regardless, these are all give-and-take relationships. CCP gives us good game, we give CCP our money and our appreciation. CCP gives us bad game, we give CCP our money but not our appreciation, and give constructive criticism (ideally) instead CCP continues giving us bad game, we give CCP our money but now criticize their actions and the position they're taking CCP continues giving us bad game, we don't give CCP our money and we leave. So Basically the secret to a good artist-fan, business-client, marriage (and even pusher-user) is in listening when the other side does not likes something that you did, and criticize you for it. If you don't listen to the other side properly, or even worse if you ignore it, then it leads to problems, more heated arguments, bitterness and, finally, breaking up of the relationship. If your spouse continues denying that which you ask, you divorce. If your artist continues producing art that you can no longer appreciate, you stop following said artist. If a business continues delivering a product that does not please its customers and fails to listen to their complaints, they lose their customers and gain bad publicity. Now, (and this is somewhat the point of this thread), go back to this point: CCP gives us bad game, we give CCP our money but not our appreciation, and give constructive criticism (ideally) instead CCP LISTENS, and try something else instead. Doesn't work for us, and we criticize again (hopefully, in a constructive manner) CCP Listens AGAIN, and try yet anoter approach. At this point we are frustrated, so we grow bitter and we no longer give constructive criticism (if we even give any criticism at all). We just bash-bash-bash-bash They might keep trying to do things to please us, but they will come to the point where they shut-down their efforts to talk with us because everything they say its either shot down in a huge ball of fiery divine wrath, or used against them. In either case, they stop listening to what we say and start focusing on what we do instead. They stop communicating. And that is BAD.. that is just BAD. You can't develop through trial and error. Do you see here how it is that we might be the ones to blame for them to stop "Listening to what we say, and watching what we do" instead? Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand.
Trainwreck McGee Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 19	Posted - 2011.09.30 18:32:00 - [15] - Quote I have been married unhappily for 10 years now and my wife has never tried to sell me a monocle for 70 dollars so **** your analogy CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool
Renan Ruivo Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance 49	Posted - 2011.09.30 18:49:00 - [16] - Quote Trainwreck McGee wrote: I have been married unhappily for 10 years now and my wife has never tried to sell me a monocle for 70 dollars so **** your analogy Good thing to see that you know so much about monoclegate ^^ Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand.
Iosue Black Sky Hipsters 7	Posted - 2011.09.30 19:15:00 - [17] - Quote I dunno, I donGÇÖt really see the mistress as the other games. I see it as their attempt to lure a different type of player. One that is attracted to MT and avatars instead of spaceships.
Satav Latinum Exports 26	Posted - 2011.09.30 19:18:00 - [18] - Quote Just curious........ Are you a guy in real life? Cause either you speaking out of experience or your a real in touch with your feminine side. :)))))))))))) I think a different analogy would have gone further.
Richard Hammond II Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 56	Posted - 2011.09.30 19:25:00 - [19] - Quote An youre original, locked (IBTL), thread got locked cause you posted a video of a preacher/priest/clergy/religious type guy talking on this subject an EVE-O plus religion = no-no They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP
Iosue Black Sky Hipsters 7	Posted - 2011.09.30 19:34:00 - [20] - Quote Also consider that CCP is not a person, I does not have emotions. It cannot forgive, become angry, kiss and make up. It is an entity and has a directive: to make money. We, the player base, are also not a single entity that speaks with a single voice. We all have our opinions about CCP and its game. Some of us express these opinions regularly in the forums, others quietly make up their own minds without so much as a peep. While your analogy is cute, it is pretty far off base. I know forgiveness will make me a better person, but thatGÇÖs assuming I hold an actual grudge against another person. CCP is a service provider and I am a customer. When they do things I do not like, I let them know my money will not continue to flow as long as I see certain critical issues. I am actually doing them a huge favor by doing this. If I go to restaurant and have a lousy meal, do I complain to the owner? Some may but I do not, I simply cease going to that restaurant any longer. If a mechanic does a poor job or overcharges me for parts or labor, do I complain to the business? No, I just stop using that shop and take my business elsewhere. I am doing CCP a favor in letting them know what problems I have with their service and how far they can go before I no longer see value in what they provide. This is a good thing. If CCP canGÇÖt handle their customerGÇÖs responses, they should go cease operations and start working for the government.
Remarka Belle Locus University of Caille Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2011.09.30 19:41:00 - [21] - Quote Iosue wrote: Also consider that CCP is not a person Not in America. In America, corporations are people too!
Renan Ruivo Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance 49	Posted - 2011.09.30 19:47:00 - [22] - Quote Richard Hammond II wrote: An youre original, locked (IBTL), thread got locked cause you posted a video of a preacher/priest/clergy/religious type guy talking on this subject an EVE-O plus religion = no-no I quite so happen to know that.. and it was not my intention of having people de-rail the thread with off-topic content. Therefore i made another thread sans-religious stuff. And you're trying to bring it back. Your point? Iosue wrote: CCP is a service provider and I am a customer. When they do things I do not like, I let them know my money will not continue to flow as long as I see certain critical issues. I am actually doing them a huge favor by doing this. If I go to restaurant and have a lousy meal, do I complain to the owner? Some may but I do not, I simply cease going to that restaurant any longer. If a mechanic does a poor job or overcharges me for parts or labor, do I complain to the business? No, I just stop using that shop and take my business elsewhere. I am doing CCP a favor in letting them know what problems I have with their service and how far they can go before I no longer see value in what they provide. This is a good thing. If CCP canGÇÖt handle their customerGÇÖs responses, they should go cease operations and start working for the government. Yup, thats about right. You are not only doing them a favor you are doing them a much required service because you like the game and you want to continue enjoying it. However, your favor to them gets lost amongst seas of negative criticism, off-topic content (ponies, much?), hate threads, real-life threats and et cetera in such a way that it probably will be forever lost and never to be seen. If 85% of your customers are full of crap, 10% remain silent and only 5% say constructive, usefull stuff, can you find the usefull ones without having to go through seas of ****? Maybe CCP Fallout can atest to what i'm talking about? Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand.
Foodpimp Heaven's Harvesters LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 17	Posted - 2011.09.30 20:00:00 - [23] - Quote "CCP is the husband. We are its wife. Our marriage just hit the 9 year mark. " So that would make us Tina Turner....and CCP Ike?
Lakshmii Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 22	Posted - 2011.09.30 20:05:00 - [24] - Quote Let's have a second marriage to renew our vows and rejuvenate our relationship. a¦á_a¦¦a¦â
Kengutsi Akira GloboTech Industries 14	Posted - 2011.09.30 20:14:00 - [25] - Quote Iosue wrote: Also consider that CCP is not a person, I does not have emotions. It cannot forgive, become angry, kiss and make up. it CAN hold grudges though apparently ******** Renan Ruivo wrote: Richard Hammond II wrote:** An youre original, locked (IBTL), thread got locked cause you posted a video of a preacher/priest/clergy/religious type guy talking on this subject an EVE-O plus religion = no-no I quite so happen to know that.. and it was not my intention of having people de-rail the thread with off-topic content. Therefore i made another thread sans-religious stuff. And you're trying to bring it back. Your point? were I to guess, the point would have been that its against forum rules to re-open threads that the forum moderators have locked. Usually anyways, but as they havent re-locked this one, guess theyve decided to waive that rule here
Richard Hammond II Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 56	Posted - 2011.09.30 20:22:00 - [26] - Quote Renan Ruivo wrote: Richard Hammond II wrote: An youre original, locked (IBTL), thread got locked cause you posted a video of a preacher/priest/clergy/religious type guy talking on this subject an EVE-O plus religion = no-no I quite so happen to know that.. and it was not my intention of having people de-rail the thread with off-topic content. Therefore i made another thread sans-religious stuff. And you're trying to bring it back. Your point? My point? Ok, Ill play: Quote: 23. Reopening a locked thread by creating a new one is not allowed. Recreating or reopening a thread that has been closed by a moderator is prohibited. Threads that have been closed by a moderator have been closed for the benefit of the community. Reopening a locked thread will result in its removal. Forum Rules. Helps avoid embarrassment when you read them. Theyre at the top of the page They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 241	Posted - 2011.09.30 20:31:00 - [27] - Quote GÇªbtw, you missed the other huge point of that presentation: the difference in the GÇ£pointsGÇ¥ counting system. Most notably that :effort: is worth exactly zero points from the wife's point of view, whereas asking GÇ£Really, how did that make you feel?GÇ¥ is worth more than all Christmases combined. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á
Renan Ruivo Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance 49	Posted - 2011.09.30 20:33:00 - [28] - Quote I have not re-opened a thread that has been closed by moderation. You are mistaken. Those rules are there for the "good of the community" because some members of the community fail on staying on-topic, and create heated arguments and debates that have nothing to do with what is being proposed or said. I will not debate this matter with you any further. And i suggest that no one does it either. Thank you for your input. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand.
Nephilius Pillage and Plunder Salvage Co. 1	Posted - 2011.09.30 20:40:00 - [29] - Quote Richard Hammond II wrote: An youre original, locked (IBTL), thread got locked cause you posted a video of a preacher/priest/clergy/religious type guy talking on this subject an EVE-O plus religion = no-no Yet we have the Amarr... Make CQ and WiS an option, not a must.-á I don't play EvE for the toon spinning.
Envoy Achates Safe Harbour Shipyards 2	Posted - 2011.09.30 21:20:00 - [30] - Quote OP needs to stop taking this game so seriously and/or grow up a bit?

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