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Adoro
Reikoku The Retirement Club
10
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Posted - 2012.10.09 11:58:00 -
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There is this other cunning scam CCP is running, instead of PLEX they also allow you to pay with RL cash...so more money for them! What a scam! Ridiculous if you ask me.
Im thinking about unsubbing my 20 accounts, yes I went there!
Point to make: stop being poor, buy game time and whine less on the forums
Ninja edit: 1h or rl work in western world and you play EVE for a month...paying with ISK just isnt worth it. I can't make 600mil in 1 hour, I can make Gé¼ 15 in 1 hour though |

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
2756
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Posted - 2012.10.09 12:07:00 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:You see, you too think about ISK/hour ratio. Even this couple minutes spend babysitting buy order don't seem worthwhile, only "must make ISK (and fun... orbiting)". MUST... MAKE... ISK.  ISK zombies. 
You make the mistake of assuming, that income levels only matter to people who care only about making ISK. We all have to make money somehow and for many it's all about minimizing the amount of grinding you have to do to get it. Maximizing ISK/h means less time spent on grinding and more spent on enjoying the game. Some even go so far as to spend RL money, so they can sell PLEXs and have others do their grinding for them. Naturally some people enjoy the ISK making experience, but certainly not all, and for them it makes perfect sense to gravitate to the most efficient ISK/hour activity available. |

Taranius De Consolville
Curse Of The Chosen
238
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Posted - 2012.10.09 12:11:00 -
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Gerald Taric wrote:Kyt Thrace wrote:Do people really NOT understand Supply & Demand :P This. :-D I think, it's some kind of "perfect" the way it is. If price is going up, it's just a sign of the fact, that more player need more PLEX and already bought the cheap ones.
no no and no
it's a sign of a failing market, do u not get that? People can NO LONGER make the isk required to pvp non stop, so they buy plexes and sell them for cash injections
keep pushing the prices up and watch the market fail, its all linked and goons
and yes this goes back to goons
have done there job nicely.
EvE has at best 2 years, if that, the general consensus of dust around the net is *its halo but with eve crap* so..
and i do love the irony of this
pvp players moan that empires are destroying the game
well guess who ****** it up?
PvP pilots, well done :) |

Gerald Taric
90
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Posted - 2012.10.09 12:13:00 -
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TriadSte wrote:CCP should step in and curb this inflation on Plex. Perhaps Concorde could step in and flood the market with reasonable priced Plex.
I forsee quite alot of accounts suspended because of this stupid inflation.
CONCORD should floot the market with PLEX? So you mean, CCP should gift the players game time? PLEX are paid game time. CCP received money for it. CONCORD is an imaginary intitution within EVE, not paying money to CCP. Therefore it would also be a loss for CCP.
And on the other hand: If a lot of accounts are being suspended due to high PLEX prices, these players won't buy them on ingame market any more, thus the demand for PLEX is falling, selling them is more difficult, therefore price is expected to fall.
As long as there are players willing to pay such high PLEX prices, these prices won't fall.
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Adoro
Reikoku The Retirement Club
10
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Posted - 2012.10.09 12:14:00 -
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Taranius De Consolville wrote:Gerald Taric wrote:Kyt Thrace wrote:Do people really NOT understand Supply & Demand :P This. :-D I think, it's some kind of "perfect" the way it is. If price is going up, it's just a sign of the fact, that more player need more PLEX and already bought the cheap ones. no no and no it's a sign of a failing market, do u not get that? People can NO LONGER make the isk required to pvp non stop, so they buy plexes and sell them for cash injections keep pushing the prices up and watch the market fail, its all linked and goons and yes this goes back to goons have done there job nicely. EvE has at best 2 years, if that, the general consensus of dust around the net is *its halo but with eve crap* so.. and i do love the irony of this pvp players moan that empires are destroying the game well guess who ****** it up? PvP pilots, well done :)
Ive read people like you saying the game would die within 2 years, for 7 years now. So.... Welcome to EVE Online 4 : A new beginning |

Taranius De Consolville
Curse Of The Chosen
238
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Posted - 2012.10.09 12:21:00 -
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Adoro wrote:Taranius De Consolville wrote:Gerald Taric wrote:Kyt Thrace wrote:Do people really NOT understand Supply & Demand :P This. :-D I think, it's some kind of "perfect" the way it is. If price is going up, it's just a sign of the fact, that more player need more PLEX and already bought the cheap ones. no no and no it's a sign of a failing market, do u not get that? People can NO LONGER make the isk required to pvp non stop, so they buy plexes and sell them for cash injections keep pushing the prices up and watch the market fail, its all linked and goons and yes this goes back to goons have done there job nicely. EvE has at best 2 years, if that, the general consensus of dust around the net is *its halo but with eve crap* so.. and i do love the irony of this pvp players moan that empires are destroying the game well guess who ****** it up? PvP pilots, well done :) Ive read people like you saying the game would die within 2 years, for 7 years now. So.... Welcome to EVE Online 4 : A new beginning
Ive been here since 03 u little scrub, n ive seen plenty for forum trolls like u, the game is dieing and has been for the past 3 years, u havent seen a rise in subs, uve seen a rise in alts. u damn fool, every troll like u has no clue and sits on these forums dad after day commenting on every post because u have grown so bored with eve u dont even play but u cant bring urself to quit
because your pathetic lonley people who like being morons to others because it makes u feel better |

Adoro
Reikoku The Retirement Club
10
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Posted - 2012.10.09 12:29:00 -
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Taranius De Consolville wrote:Adoro wrote:Taranius De Consolville wrote:Gerald Taric wrote:Kyt Thrace wrote:Do people really NOT understand Supply & Demand :P This. :-D I think, it's some kind of "perfect" the way it is. If price is going up, it's just a sign of the fact, that more player need more PLEX and already bought the cheap ones. no no and no it's a sign of a failing market, do u not get that? People can NO LONGER make the isk required to pvp non stop, so they buy plexes and sell them for cash injections keep pushing the prices up and watch the market fail, its all linked and goons and yes this goes back to goons have done there job nicely. EvE has at best 2 years, if that, the general consensus of dust around the net is *its halo but with eve crap* so.. and i do love the irony of this pvp players moan that empires are destroying the game well guess who ****** it up? PvP pilots, well done :) Ive read people like you saying the game would die within 2 years, for 7 years now. So.... Welcome to EVE Online 4 : A new beginning Ive been here since 03 u little scrub, n ive seen plenty for forum trolls like u, the game is dieing and has been for the past 3 years, u havent seen a rise in subs, uve seen a rise in alts. u damn fool, every troll like u has no clue and sits on these forums dad after day commenting on every post because u have grown so bored with eve u dont even play but u cant bring urself to quit because your pathetic lonley people who like being morons to others because it makes u feel better
Well it feels really good annoying you after this post, hope you dont jump in front of a bus though cause you sound really depressed...
And no, im not done with EVE. I sit on forums while at work, real life work and stuff...you know buying a house, have children and all that. But you wouldn't know from your mom's basement. She making your sandwich right now boy?
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Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
50
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Posted - 2012.10.09 12:30:00 -
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In before the lock... :D |

Gerald Taric
90
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Posted - 2012.10.09 12:38:00 -
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Taranius De Consolville wrote:it's a sign of a failing market, do u not get that? People can NO LONGER make the isk required to pvp non stop, so they buy plexes and sell them for cash injections
keep pushing the prices up and watch the market fail, its all linked and goons If people can't make the ISK for their non-stop-PvP, it's their problem having an imbalance of creating and destroying things. They are just ransom themselfes by pumping real money into the game by buying and selling PLEX. I personally do not condemn them for doing so. If they have money to burn, just let them :)
If all PLEXes are too expensive, because it would be grinding hell to just buy one for the next month of grinding hell, this game would not be fun anymore. PLEX market will break down. Therefore ... yes ... it's a sing of failing market :-). But i'm sure it will come up again after the crash.
tl;dr : Obviously there are always people willing to buy these PLEXes. As long as they are there, this situation will remain or worsen.
I advoice new players to get an usual subscribtion instead of buying ingame PLEXes. This avoids getting into the hassle (and non-joy), which has been already described. |

shadowhearth Eto
5pm In Hades Hail the Hoff
4
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Posted - 2012.10.09 12:45:00 -
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Plex reminds me of credit crunch in a way...
they said: BUY HOUSES!!!! OR YOU WONT BE ABLE TO AFFORD THEM AFTER!!!
*credit crunch happened
UPS!!! sorry all!!!
Plex goes up, buut as some people mentioned already, it will go down fast, when stockpilers will dump it all. i see back in the day plex were like 250mil.... i am not surprised that a lot of people could have stockpiled hundreds of damn thing... |
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Cede Forster
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
104
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Posted - 2012.10.09 12:46:00 -
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really? no one mentioned that the value of a currency is not defined by the quantity but rather buy the ability to buy a product for it?
You need to compare what you can buy for 600 million ISK (in ships, modules, whatever you spend your money on) to what you used to pay for your PLEX and what it was worth then (in ships, modules, ect)
If you do not even bring the effort to go beyond "50 years ago you could buy a new car for a thousand dollar, news cars sure got expensive, don't you think so folks" - it is not really worth the time writing it
but then again this isnt supposed to be a realistic assement of the situation, this is just bitching that you have to pay more for your PLEX - so the proper answer is likely "bo boho, htfu"
Also: I didn't see any "over 9000" jokes - what is going on? |

Janet Patton
Brony Express
49
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Posted - 2012.10.09 12:48:00 -
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Well if ISK is as easy to make as everyone claims (Which is like the government printing money). Then that will just keep driving PLEX prices upward (Just like how fuel cost keep going up) I love economics. EVE has many parallels to RL markets that are much easier to follow here. Why do I have this sig? I don't smoke. |

Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
316
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Posted - 2012.10.09 13:03:00 -
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Pretty steady increase the past 3 months, no spikes worth mentioning. There is simply way too much ISK in the system .. Inflation ahoy!
Botting on TQ is probably the main culprit as it makes a mockery of any model CCP might be using to gauge ISK faucets, thus preventing them from ever being balanced properly.
Serenity (chinese server) staff turned a blind eye (or one eye only) to botting and PLEX there were between 0.9-1B a pop with everyone and their grandmother flying well above their means/age (if it was on TQ). We also have people flying well above their means/age, with noobs (literal noobs) hopping around in BCs/BSs, practically the second they can board them .. back in the day I had to slave save for what seemed ages to make that transition. If we were to eliminate bots from the equation so that ISK had a direct corollary with human time spent, the unicorns would once again begin farting those delicious rainbows .. the bot lobby must be insanely powerful as CCP has just a few people devoted to it and have so far neglected to introduce actual consequences to using and harbouring the fiends.
CCP: - Re-tweak null plexes (ban all complainers, they are in all likelihood bot operators). - Re-tweak mission ISK payouts (ban all complainers, they are in all likelihood bot operators). - Re-tweak Incursions (chastise all complainers, they are bloody whiners).
In that order as the first two are highly botable whereas the last less so. Oh, and give Screegs more drugs caffeine .. seems he is unable to keep up so he must be made to run/work faster! |

Bobb Smith
The Scope Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.10.09 13:14:00 -
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PLEX prices ARE getting out of hand
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Wacktopia
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
267
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Posted - 2012.10.09 13:36:00 -
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1. CCP made PLEX more expensive than 30 days game time by about 40% (?) 2. People probably started buying game time directly instead of PLEX wish rl cash 3. Number of PLEX in economy went down 4. Demand remained unchanged 5. Price goes up.
It's been on the cards for a while. Anyone wanting to buy PLEX or make ISK from it should have bought some a while back when the knowledge of 1. was known by the few and before the price shot up.  The bottom line is that now I have one of those annoying signatures. |

Gerald Taric
90
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Posted - 2012.10.09 13:37:00 -
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Bobb Smith wrote:PLEX prices ARE getting out of hand
well, then let's try to avoid buying them.
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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
22
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Posted - 2012.10.09 13:42:00 -
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PLEX are EvE's Gold. |

Serena Serene
Heretic University Heretic Nation
3480
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Posted - 2012.10.09 13:52:00 -
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Wacktopia wrote:1. CCP made PLEX more expensive than 30 days game time by about 40% (?) 2. People probably started buying game time directly instead of PLEX wish rl cash 3. Number of PLEX in economy went down 4. Demand remained unchanged 5. Price goes up. It's been on the cards for a while. Anyone wanting to buy PLEX or make ISK from it should have bought some a while back when the knowledge of 1. was known by the few and before the price shot up. 
But .. if people would instead buy PLEX with rl cash to increase their game time, they'd of course -use- it, and it'd never really enter the economy anyway...
So.. according to you: Before they used PLEXs to increase their game time and no PLEXs were added to the market by them. Now they buy game time directly and no PLEXs are added to the market by them.
... I don't get how you conclude your point 3 from that. |

Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
257
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Posted - 2012.10.09 13:57:00 -
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Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:I was wondering, is it considered RMT if a Euro has an American get his PLEX for him to take advantage of the favorable exchange rate? Why get an american do do it?
Buy a GTC from a US site that accepts payment in USD?
If that is RMT that I'm guilty and has been for years.
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Uwara
The Ares project
6
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Posted - 2012.10.09 13:59:00 -
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Veshta Yoshida wrote:Pretty steady increase the past 3 months, no spikes worth mentioning. There is simply way too much ISK in the system .. Inflation ahoy!
CCP: - Re-tweak null plexes (ban all complainers, they are in all likelihood bot operators). - Re-tweak mission ISK payouts (ban all complainers, they are in all likelihood bot operators). - Re-tweak Incursions (chastise all complainers, they are bloody whiners).
In that order as the first two are highly botable whereas the last less so. Oh, and give Screegs more drugs caffeine .. seems he is unable to keep up so he must be made to run/work faster!
Kinda noticed you didn't mention the most profitable one of all. FW and a orbiting frigate. Null plexes give good money, but there is "some" risk involved. Not unbalanced...much. Missions, you really think that missions are the problem now? There are way better/faster/easier ways to make money. Incursions were already nerfed to hell, I dunno if they were fixed.
But all of that is nothing compared to tenths of billions monthly made with a 8 day old char in a orbit frigate without weapons. Didn't notice a flood of implants and 90 plex on killmails when incursions were FOTM.
But today you get idiots with 20+bill loot in a crappy ship undocking and getting killed, who buys 150+ of each +3 or +4 implants and tries to sell them in Jita? They are bought with LP, and 3 guesses who stamps out LP right now... there is your inflation problem, at least bigger that 3 you mentioned. |
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Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
63
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Posted - 2012.10.09 14:06:00 -
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Plexes are worth whatever Dr Evil asks - This is the plan |

Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
227
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Posted - 2012.10.09 14:56:00 -
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Veshta Yoshida wrote: Serenity (chinese server) staff turned a blind eye (or one eye only) to botting and PLEX there were between 0.9-1B a pop with everyone and their grandmother flying well above their means/age (if it was on TQ).
1b PLEX... the day is coming...! |

Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
227
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Posted - 2012.10.09 15:20:00 -
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And ponder this, plebs.
CCP is increasing the demand side of the equation with new schemes to consume PLEX. What will increase the supply side? If the Eve universe is awash with easily-obtainable ISK, there's not much incentive for players to sell PLEX for ISK when they can easily earn that ISK instead. Selling PLEX will only become worthwhile once price is high enough.
BUY BUY BUY |

Wacktopia
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
267
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Posted - 2012.10.09 16:31:00 -
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Serena Serene wrote:Wacktopia wrote:1. CCP made PLEX more expensive than 30 days game time by about 40% (?) 2. People probably started buying game time directly instead of PLEX wish rl cash 3. Number of PLEX in economy went down 4. Demand remained unchanged 5. Price goes up. It's been on the cards for a while. Anyone wanting to buy PLEX or make ISK from it should have bought some a while back when the knowledge of 1. was known by the few and before the price shot up.  But .. if people would instead buy PLEX with rl cash to increase their game time, they'd of course -use- it, and it'd never really enter the economy anyway... So.. according to you: Before they used PLEXs to increase their game time and no PLEXs were added to the market by them. Now they buy game time directly and no PLEXs are added to the market by them. ... I don't get how you conclude your point 3 from that.
I guess I was saying that more people would just buy PLEX and hold on to it and use it as and when they needed it to either pay for game time or sell for ISK. I've done this before.... buy a bunch of PLEX and either use it on game time or ISK if I get short. I'm sure lots of other people have too.
Because the price for PLEX is now higher than directly paying for game time the most likely reason someone would buy it with RL cash would be to sell it for ISK. The bottom line is that now I have one of those annoying signatures. |

Bobb Smith
The Scope Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.10.09 16:56:00 -
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You all do reaize that, with a few lines of code, CCP could add or subtract any amount of ISK they wanted to, right? |

ISquishWorms
161
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Posted - 2012.10.09 17:10:00 -
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Maybe, just maybe a lot of players who used to buy and sell plex to aquire and fulfill their isk requirements left the game? Thus even as if others say the demand for PLEX remains the same, perhaps there're are simply less available? |

Conrad Makbure
Division One Security
28
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Posted - 2012.10.09 17:14:00 -
[177] - Quote
Over 600 mill? Damn, now is a good time to buy pled and resell in the market for an insanely high price to the basement dwellers. Awesome. |

Demolishar
United Aggression
369
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Posted - 2012.10.09 17:21:00 -
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I will be closing at least 50 accounts. Not even joking. It's no longer cost-effective to have so many, and I see myself perhaps even dropping down into single figures if this madness continues. 150M increase may not be much per PLEX, but it REALLY adds up over nearly a hundred accounts. |

Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy Caldari State
164
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Posted - 2012.10.09 17:22:00 -
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Kyt Thrace wrote:Do people really NOT understand Supply & Demand :P
No. |

Teibor
Quay Industries CAStabouts
8
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Posted - 2012.10.09 17:38:00 -
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This is not a moan about Plex costs rising, nor is it a moan about not understanding supply & demand. This is simply an observational post that if Plex prices continue to rise, it can only be of a detrimental effect to the game.
Many players quite simply, cant afford to play Eve with rl cash and as such rely on earning enough ISK with which to subscribe. Eventually the cost of Plex will reach a value where it isnt possible for these players to contniue subscribing as its impossible to gather together the ISK in time. |
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