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De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade Intrepid Crossing
394
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Posted - 2012.10.10 16:41:00 -
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Amber Coldheart wrote:Azitek wrote:Lets say you can make 40 mil/hour running lvl 4's. That's 15 hours a month, or less than 4 hours a week. Even at 30 mil/hour, that's only 5 hours a week, which I'd call the "casual" range. It seems like a PLEX per month shouldn't be affordable to "casual" players, but perhaps I'm wrong here. You are not wrong. Null dwellers keep mentioning 60 million an hour for 0.0 belt ratting, and while that obviously is not an option for high sec, we have missioning or mining (whatever the skills of the player are best suited for). Even a casual player should be able to make 500 - 600 million a month without breaking a sweat. That's a little low for null-sec, tbh. Even after the removal of Drone poo I can make 80-90 million an hour ratting in null. Add PI on top of that and I'm making somewhere between 4 and 6 billion a month for something 60 - 80 hours of work (over 30 days). Unsub or don't.-á I don't care what your reasons are, and neither does anyone else.-á Just click the button and go away - or don't. |

Brooks Puuntai
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
864
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Posted - 2012.10.10 16:46:00 -
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Idris Helion wrote:Karl Hobb wrote:Uwara wrote:FW is insanely broken, you are earning billions a week.... Faction Warfare LP is used, along with ISK, to buy goods from the LP store which can then be sold to other players. No ISK enters the economy through FW (in fact, ISK is destroyed in the process!). FW is simply moving the wealth from one player to another. LP =/= ISK, thanks for playing. LP and LP store modules are created "out of thin air" and not created by other players. So it's a faucet, not a sink. And right now that faucet is gouting uncontrolled amounts of LP into the game, much of which is being converted to ISK via module sales (mostly implants from what I can tell).
Just stop. Seriously.
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Souisa
WESCORP 2.0
14
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Posted - 2012.10.10 16:50:00 -
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Im surprised no one has mentionend factional warfare in the first few pages. Obviously this is one enabling people to plex as you can make several bil every other week |

Ronin Duskstar
Shinrei Syndicate
0
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Posted - 2012.10.10 18:10:00 -
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Souisa wrote:Im surprised no one has mentionend factional warfare in the first few pages. Obviously this is one enabling people to plex as you can make several bil every other week
This is very true. After hearing about players not even breaking a sweat making over 15b, I figured I'd give it a shot as a newer player. (My other character is an L4 mission runner of no importance). So, here I am with 1 million SP, raking in a ton of FW LP with just a t1 fit condor. |

Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
49
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Posted - 2012.10.10 19:21:00 -
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game.. breaking... About WIS |

Darth Nupis
The Fraternal Association of Killer Squibs
0
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Posted - 2012.10.10 19:30:00 -
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That's why it is getting nerfed. |

Van Kuzco
Stryker Industries
0
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Posted - 2012.10.11 02:10:00 -
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back down to 630 |

Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
134
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Posted - 2012.10.11 02:23:00 -
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All is lost, all is lost! "Oh, you can't help that," said the troll: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" -ásaid the forumwarrior. "You must be," said the troll, "or you wouldn't have come here." |

Karrl Tian
Star-Trackers
4
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Posted - 2012.10.11 03:39:00 -
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Ronin Duskstar wrote:Souisa wrote:Im surprised no one has mentionend factional warfare in the first few pages. Obviously this is one enabling people to plex as you can make several bil every other week This is very true. After hearing about players not even breaking a sweat making over 15b, I figured I'd give it a shot as a newer player. (My other character is an L4 mission runner of no importance). So, here I am with 1 million SP, raking in a ton of FW LP with just a t1 fit condor.
Making money isn't a matter of SP, it's a matter of knowing all the tricks to playing the system. |

Bobb Smith
The Scope Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.10.11 03:46:00 -
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Nylith Empyreal wrote:All is lost, all is lost! So is Sparky. Sparky is my dog. |
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Keno Skir
Vectis Covert Solutions
232
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Posted - 2012.10.11 04:32:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Hundreds of bots have come back on in the last month and all of them use plex.
^ This.
And CCP doesnt choose the ISK price of PLEX, players do. Again, as many players have pointed out now. If you have any further thoughts on something i've posted, or want to ask an unrelated question feel free to contact me by EvE Mail or by private conversation if i'm online. BUDDY TRIALS AVAILABLE - 21days plus big ISK bonus and starting assistance |

Herr Hammer Draken
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
129
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Posted - 2012.10.11 04:35:00 -
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I would like to see plex over 1 billion. Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet" |

Shizuken
Venerated Stars
103
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Posted - 2012.10.11 05:05:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:Idris Helion wrote:Karl Hobb wrote:Uwara wrote:FW is insanely broken, you are earning billions a week.... Faction Warfare LP is used, along with ISK, to buy goods from the LP store which can then be sold to other players. No ISK enters the economy through FW (in fact, ISK is destroyed in the process!). FW is simply moving the wealth from one player to another. LP =/= ISK, thanks for playing. LP and LP store modules are created "out of thin air" and not created by other players. So it's a faucet, not a sink. And right now that faucet is gouting uncontrolled amounts of LP into the game, much of which is being converted to ISK via module sales (mostly implants from what I can tell). Just stop. Seriously.
Lol, for real. Moving money from one toon to another is not a faucet. The money was already in the economy. If anything it is a sink, because some ISK was taken from the sale price as tax...
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ugh zug
84
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Posted - 2012.10.11 05:14:00 -
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thread needs more monocles Want me to shut up?-á Send me ISK and i'll stop giving suggestions to CCP that make sense. Remove content from my post, 15 bil. Remove my content from a thread I have started 30bil. |

Cheshire Katt
Tirpitz Innovations Terrible Space Warriors
15
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Posted - 2012.10.11 05:25:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: edit: But indeed there is WAY TOO MUCH ISK ingame.
^ This.
There is too much isk being created from nothing and not nearly enough to buy that removes the isk from the game. Almost all isk spent in game goes to other players. Yet, you can get isk created from nothing by killing rats in all areas of the game. You get it from missions. You get it from plexxing. As long as there is more isk being created from nothing that there is isk leaving the game, prices will constantly go up until you get to the point that there are player created items or rare drops that have such an astronomical price that most players won't be able to realisticly aford. This will possibly include PLEXs in the long run since most of them go to isk rich players or isk rich alliances that buy them for their players (think 0.0 tech moon holding alliances.) |

Shizuken
Venerated Stars
103
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Posted - 2012.10.11 05:34:00 -
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Cheshire Katt wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: edit: But indeed there is WAY TOO MUCH ISK ingame.
^ This. There is too much isk being created from nothing and not nearly enough to buy that removes the isk from the game. Almost all isk spent in game goes to other players. Yet, you can get isk created from nothing by killing rats in all areas of the game. You get it from missions. You get it from plexxing. As long as there is more isk being created from nothing that there is isk leaving the game, prices will constantly go up until you get to the point that there are player created items or rare drops that have such an astronomical price that most players won't be able to realisticly aford. This will possibly include PLEXs in the long run since most of them go to isk rich players or isk rich alliances that buy them for their players (think 0.0 tech moon holding alliances.)
This is exactly why CCP increased the transaction tax by .5% a while back. And I smell another .5% increase coming soon.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1814
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Posted - 2012.10.11 06:18:00 -
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Cheshire Katt wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: edit: But indeed there is WAY TOO MUCH ISK ingame.
^ This. There is too much isk being created from nothing and not nearly enough to buy that removes the isk from the game. Almost all isk spent in game goes to other players. Yet, you can get isk created from nothing by killing rats in all areas of the game. You get it from missions. You get it from plexxing. As long as there is more isk being created from nothing that there is isk leaving the game, prices will constantly go up until you get to the point that there are player created items or rare drops that have such an astronomical price that most players won't be able to realisticly aford. This will possibly include PLEXs in the long run since most of them go to isk rich players or isk rich alliances that buy them for their players (think 0.0 tech moon holding alliances.)
Other than me, you are now my favorite poster in the 'Has a clue' category.
Want to be my alt?
Mr Epeen 
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |

D4mane
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.10.11 06:22:00 -
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Cheshire Katt wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: edit: But indeed there is WAY TOO MUCH ISK ingame.
^ This. There is too much isk being created from nothing and not nearly enough to buy that removes the isk from the game. Almost all isk spent in game goes to other players. Yet, you can get isk created from nothing by killing rats in all areas of the game. You get it from missions. You get it from plexxing. As long as there is more isk being created from nothing that there is isk leaving the game, prices will constantly go up until you get to the point that there are player created items or rare drops that have such an astronomical price that most players won't be able to realisticly aford. This will possibly include PLEXs in the long run since most of them go to isk rich players or isk rich alliances that buy them for their players (think 0.0 tech moon holding alliances.)
I remember back in the day Rattlesnakes were ship seen only in Alliance Tournaments. Now you see everyone with them and also Nightmares, Machariels everywhere.
Clearly there is too much isk. |

The Bismarckian
Federal Intelligence Studies and Observation Group
0
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Posted - 2012.10.11 06:57:00 -
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Cheshire Katt wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: edit: But indeed there is WAY TOO MUCH ISK ingame.
^ This. There is too much isk being created from nothing and not nearly enough to buy that removes the isk from the game. Almost all isk spent in game goes to other players. Yet, you can get isk created from nothing by killing rats in all areas of the game. You get it from missions. You get it from plexxing. As long as there is more isk being created from nothing that there is isk leaving the game, prices will constantly go up until you get to the point that there are player created items or rare drops that have such an astronomical price that most players won't be able to realisticly aford. This will possibly include PLEXs in the long run since most of them go to isk rich players or isk rich alliances that buy them for their players (think 0.0 tech moon holding alliances.)
A friend of mine and I have been talking about this for years. As long as CCP leaves most of the highly disposable items in the game in the hands of players they don't have many options for sucking hard isk back out of the system. I think CCP should have "nationalized" several things a long time ago, tech 1 ammo, nano paste etc. would be a good start. Another idea would have been to include an NPC sold generic component to be used in every manufactured ship. I.e. Frigate gizmo, cruiser gizmo, battleship gizmo etc. The point wouldn't be to add much cost to the end product, just another oppurtunity for CCP to suck isk out of the economy.
On a side note, here is a hard example of isk being pumped into the economy. People are quick to give vague generalizations of how much comes from this or that, but here is what someone can actually get from Lvl 4 missions. Last night I played for exactally 108 minutes. In that time I did four Lvl 4 missions. I cleared 97m isk in salvage and loot, 32k lp, and 77m isk from bounties and mission payouts. That is 77m isk that was not in the system prior to me playing for roughly an hour. This is not an outlier. This is what I make everytime I mission when I need isk. |

Hrothgar Nilsson
Black Core Federation Black Core Alliance
129
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Posted - 2012.10.11 07:07:00 -
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PLEX down to 625mil ISK in Jita. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzA_xesrL8 |
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Shaalira D'arc
Quantum Cats Syndicate
519
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Posted - 2012.10.11 07:13:00 -
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Too bad the last expansion didn't include a "feature" where you can make silly billions of isk by orbiting buttons with day-old alts. Otherwise, paying for plexes would be a serious pain.
P.S.: 'plex' can refer to: - A deadspace complex - Faction war button-spinning - Pilot's License Extension item.
Get a freaking thesaurus, CCP. |

ugh zug
84
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Posted - 2012.10.11 07:25:00 -
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lol at the people calling faction warfare an isk faucet.
Want me to shut up?-á Send me ISK and i'll stop giving suggestions to CCP that make sense. Remove content from my post, 15 bil. Remove my content from a thread I have started 30bil. |

Josef Djugashvilis
675
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Posted - 2012.10.11 07:35:00 -
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Bobb Smith wrote:Nylith Empyreal wrote:All is lost, all is lost! So is Sparky. Sparky is my dog.
If Sparky is lost, then Sparky was your dog. This is not a signature. |

Minmat Sebtin
House of Sebtin
6
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Posted - 2012.10.11 08:07:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Bobb Smith wrote:Nylith Empyreal wrote:All is lost, all is lost! So is Sparky. Sparky is my dog. If Sparky is lost, then Sparky was your dog.
Since we don't know if Sparky will return, until we find out one way or the other It is Schrodinger's dog. |

Aaewen Hrothgarson
Jelly Baby Corporation Fidelas Constans
21
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Posted - 2012.10.11 08:41:00 -
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Lors Dornick wrote:Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:I was wondering, is it considered RMT if a Euro has an American get his PLEX for him to take advantage of the favorable exchange rate? Why get an american do do it? Buy a GTC from a US site that accepts payment in USD? If that is RMT that I'm guilty and has been for years.
Since it isn't RMT if you let a bank do it for You, I can hardly see a difference if you are helped by a friend. Easiest is getting an US CC though.
As usual on the internet buying a commodity is cheaper if you exchange EUR into USD and buy it using the USD price. Sadly, this hads become a tradition in the last 20 years. |

Holy One
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
233
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Posted - 2012.10.11 09:58:00 -
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Shaalira D'arc wrote:Too bad the last expansion didn't include a "feature" where you can make silly billions of isk by orbiting buttons with day-old alts. Otherwise, paying for plexes would be a serious pain.
P.S.: 'plex' can refer to: - A deadspace complex - Faction war button-spinning - Pilot's License Extension item.
Get a freaking thesaurus, CCP.
Just another highly successful PVE expansion to follow the last 3.
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Mara Rinn
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
1911
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Posted - 2012.10.11 11:52:00 -
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ugh zug wrote:lol at the people calling faction warfare an isk faucet.
It's not a faucet, but it is pretty darned good at pumping ISK into a few people's wallets.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |

Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
75
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Posted - 2012.10.11 11:54:00 -
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Shaalira D'arc wrote:Too bad the last expansion didn't include a "feature" where you can make silly billions of isk by orbiting buttons with day-old alts. Otherwise, paying for plexes would be a serious pain.
P.S.: 'plex' can refer to: - A deadspace complex - Faction war button-spinning - Pilot's License Extension item.
Get a freaking thesaurus, CCP.
ones an abbreviation ones an acronym
ones a whatever the hell it is ..
no thesaurus required. |

xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers Intrepid Crossing
82
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Posted - 2012.10.11 12:29:00 -
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plex with hit 800M before the end of the year, buy now before it's too late  |

Amber Coldheart
State War Academy Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2012.10.11 13:02:00 -
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xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:plex with hit 800M before the end of the year, buy now before it's too late  Surely you mean by weeks end ? 
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