I have 1 account i pay real life money for and 2 i pay with for plex. i mean 627 million isk for a plex now i remember just a couple of years ago that plex was only 350 million a piece. So why are they so high now, the current price of plex is going to make it next to impossible for some players to make that much isk in a month. Some of the eve community love this game as do i but we do not have the real life funds to be able to pay for accounts.

i guess my question is why isnt ccp doing something about the huge inflation of plex? Make it at least a little easier for players of eve to plex thier accounts.

INB4L for being disscussed on another thread.

Its called a free market economy, Deal with it or get a better job. Burger King can only pay so much.

Just because i cant afford to plex 3 accounts in rl does not mean i dont have a good job just other things that my money needs to go to first.

but honestly if the prices of plex keeps going up eve online will lose players because they dont have the time or the rl money to play the game anymore.

And then, with lower demand, prices will go down.

It's this whole equation, see.

I have 1 account i pay real life money for and 2 i pay with for plex. i mean 627 million isk for a plex now i remember just a couple of years ago that plex was only 350 million a piece. So why are they so high now,

well im backing lucious terrinous,
he is right, and a lot of u ppl giveing him stick are proly justa bunch of trols.

If the Price of plex goies up agen, ppl will stip plexing accounts, the market will get flooded with over priced plex's.


CCP are selling plex's for real Money.
We by the Plex for game time.
This isent selling over priced scamed isk bought rubish.

troll this post all u want, but u know as much as us, prices keep going the way it does, u wont be selling any more, cus we cartn aford them.

Shan

If the Price of plex goies up agen, ppl will stip plexing accounts, the market will get flooded with over priced plex's.

I guess we'll see ya on the flip side, I hear WoW has a new expansion out and you can nuke towns

I have 1 account i pay real life money for and 2 i pay with for plex. i mean 627 million isk for a plex now i remember just a couple of years ago that plex was only 350 million a piece. So why are they so high now, the current price of plex is going to make it next to impossible for some players to make that much isk in a month. Some of the eve community love this game as do i but we do not have the real life funds to be able to pay for accounts.

i guess my question is why isnt ccp doing something about the huge inflation of plex? Make it at least a little easier for players of eve to plex thier accounts.

GǪat which point the PLEXes will stop being over-priced. So it all works out well in the end.

Here's how i see it
1. CCP has royally ****** this game up to where the little guy gets ****** over

2. CCP needs to fix their **** up and help the new players not the ******* larger alliance who control the game and just cause they are the biggest alliances in the games doesnt mean they get the only voice in this game

3. Fix the god damn plex prices this is stupid just cause you want to earn a few bucks and forget about your player base wow CCP ******* WOW!!!

4 and final MAKE ALLIANCES HAVE A MAX NUMBER THIS IS ******* ********

ALSO I LOVE PANDAS SO **** OFF EVERYONE

Limiting alliance numbers won't solve anything, we've been there done that in the old days

i remember just a couple of years ago that plex was only 350 million a piece.

oh and btw, i agree with the free market. but plexs are bought with real money and sold for isk, So ccp should keep the price's more even, this isent like someone trying to scam buy a fighter.

Well someone, who shall remain unnamed has buying plex like they were going out of style, he decieded to make more ISK off them, so he buys and resells them, he does this to make a nice profit, despite what you hear these days, profit is not now or ever has it been a dirty word.

I do not plex, I like my games to be fun and working for isk to play sounds like, wait for it, wait for it, work!! I do support the people making the plex cost go up so high, and hope it soon tops a billion ISK. I cannot imagine the tears of the people who have to pay 1 billion!!

If you can't afford the PLEX ingame, just pay the 15 bucks, cheapskate. That's two hours mowing someone's lawn, delivering pizza or whatever... you'll handle it.

Or you know, earn the ISK ingame over the course of 20 hours grinding missions. Whatever floats your boat.

If you can't afford $15 a month for an account, you shouldn't be playing eve, you should be out getting a job. Simple as that. If money is really that tight for you and you're spending your time playing a video game, quit playing and get your life together.

Ya I saw that this morning. Saw a few selling for 618 in jita and next thing only ones left are ones around 620.. Someone is controlling the plex market. Now is that CCP? or a player?

If you can't afford $15 a month for an account, you shouldn't be playing eve, you should be out getting a job. Simple as that. If money is really that tight for you and you're spending your time playing a video game, quit playing and get your life together.

im guessing you dont have a life a family or anything other than eve. some of us do, we understand that the market is a free market but the fact is still the higher plexes go then the less people will play this game. in end enough players quite eve then eve will die even for all those on this forum that want to say suck it up and deal with it.

CCP could step in and make some changes if they wanted to. To all those that pay to play the game and buy plexes i will say thank you for that becuase they are the ones that are keeping the game going. but how long will they stay if the players they like to shoot at or as some call them easy kills leave. I have been in big alliances and know that there are alot of eve players that use plex to play the game, so what happens when people like goon or test loose alot of there players to the high prices of plex.

I have spent plenty of money on this game in the past and at one point paid for 6 accounts out of pocket. i also bought plex a couple times a month for rl money to have in game money becuase well i was lazy and didnt have the time to grind for the money.
but the economy around the world is bad people are out of jobs and spending your rl money on means to survive instead of a hobby is just plain smart. so to end this banter im not worried about myself as much as i am other players that i am friends with in game that may not have it as good as others in this game. they are still good people and well fun to have in pvp and other things in eve.

If you can't afford $15 a month for an account, you shouldn't be playing eve, you should be out getting a job. Simple as that. If money is really that tight for you and you're spending your time playing a video game, quit playing and get your life together.

wow tunnel vision people im done with ya

im guessing you dont have a life a family or anything other than eve.

Just because i cant afford to plex 3 accounts in rl does not mean i dont have a good job just other things that my money needs to go to first.

but honestly if the prices of plex keeps going up eve online will lose players because they dont have the time or the rl money to play the game anymore.

Here's how i see it
1. CCP has royally ****** this game up to where the little guy gets ****** over

2. CCP needs to fix their **** up and help the new players not the ******* larger alliance who control the game and just cause they are the biggest alliances in the games doesnt mean they get the only voice in this game

3. Fix the god damn plex prices this is stupid just cause you want to earn a few bucks and forget about your player base wow CCP ******* WOW!!!

4 and final MAKE ALLIANCES HAVE A MAX NUMBER THIS IS ******* ********

ALSO I LOVE PANDAS SO **** OFF EVERYONE

Yeah, run off and go cry more.

Learn how to make ISK, or get out of your wallet.

Broke ass morons don't deserve to play for free.

If we're really lucky, it will become impossible for people to fund more than one account with PLEX.

Then we can reach the nirvana state of one account per player.

That makes the erroneous assumption that no one subs multiple accounts with rel money.

Yes, it does. But those people do not deserve our derision, but our sympathy.

Why would you have sympathy for a person with an excess of disposable income?

2. CCP needs to fix their **** up and help the new players not the ******* larger alliance who control the game and just cause they are the biggest alliances in the games doesnt mean they get the only voice in this game

GǪ if im a noob and need to learn how to make money in eve then show me how to do it.

CCP has nobody to blame but themselves for allowing these self entitled, bleating idiots into this game and then catering to them.

Bring back the days where we could filter these puke stains out at the rookie undock please.

You do realize that in some countries around the world $15 is a huge amount of money and you being rude as s**t about it shows how incapable you probably are of thinking past your own fat rich leisurely lifestyle I would guess.

Let's just say there is a limit I'm WILLING to pay for a game. Yes 1 account for 10 bucks a month ok I can live with that. Just, really guys EVE is'nt THAT special that you want to pay more than that a month.

It's an mmo ... unbalanced and buggy and definately not worth 150 bucks a year ... really 150 bucks a year I can buy 3 high end multiplayer games for that :).

I'm not going to buy and sell you PLEX for some lousy ingame currency and yes I will buy your PLEX i the price is right.

I do have to agree that EVE will lose a lot of the players because not everyone can or is willing to afford more than 10 bucks a month for another game. We do need those players. I dont want to be stuck between these (check former replies) up their butt corncob so called "elite" i got cash and 40 accounts ppl.

EVE is ... just another game ... another mmo ... unique in its kind ... in space ... wonderful and fun but hell not worth sleepless nights for some cash.

Just because i cant afford to plex 3 accounts in rl does not mean i dont have a good job just other things that my money needs to go to first.

but honestly if the prices of plex keeps going up eve online will lose players because they dont have the time or the rl money to play the game anymore.

i guess my question is why isnt ccp doing something about the huge inflation of plex? Make it at least a little easier for players of eve to plex thier accounts.

People like this drive up the prices:
http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14748095
lol

Too much easy isk.

well im backing lucious terrinous,
he is right, and a lot of u ppl giveing him stick are proly justa bunch of trols.

Its called inflation. Every other ship/module/mineral/item in eve has risen in price since years ago. I remember last year when drakes/canes/myrms were only 25-30mil and battleships started at 50mil - 100mil.

People have more isk now than they did back then, and if you cant afford the PLEX then you need to figure out what your doing wrong because most people can afford them, and thats why the prices are the way they are.

we are facing 1 billion ISK plexes by Christmas.

And we are sad/happy about this ?

Solution: Do not buy PLEX.

Hurray?

... we are facing 1 billion ISK plexes by Christmas.

INB4L for being disscussed on another thread.

Its called a free market economy, Deal with it or get a better job. Burger King can only pay so much.

I would love to rise the plex prize over 1 bil for each.

Personally, I couldn't care less. I'll be letting this character go inactive and putting my alt on a subscription so I won't be buying any plex anyway. This is mainly because of connection problems caused by socket errors making it impossible for me to dual client. I have no use for two accounts if I can't use them at the same time. CCP want to encourage people to have a lot of alts because it means they can profit from plex, but if they aren't going to support or fix dual client issues or try to fix faction warfare, they're just shooting themselves in the foot.

It's in CCP's interest for the prices to go up. They are adding new sources of demand for PLEX, including the for-pay tournament.

The result is predictible based on Value = Demand / Supply.

I hope this helps clarify the role of PLEX and CCP's position on their inflation.

[quote=Darth Gustav][quote=lucious terrinous]
I disagree....ItGÇÖs better for CCP if plex goes down. CCP doesnGÇÖt get any additional income from the plex at higher prices just the opposite. They make their money regardless of what the plex sells for. The more isk a player gets for the plex the further it goes in game and the longer it takes till that player needs to buy another.

Higher plex doesnGÇÖt benefit CCP at all, their real money is already in the real bank.

but the economy around the world is bad people are out of jobs and spending your rl money on means to survive instead of a hobby.

If plex is costs more, more people buy more plex to sell on the market, ccp make more money.

I disagree....ItGÇÖs better for CCP if plex goes down. CCP doesnGÇÖt get any additional income from the plex at higher prices just the opposite. They make their money regardless of what the plex sells for. The more isk a player gets for the plex the further it goes in game and the longer it takes till that player needs to buy another.

Higher plex doesnGÇÖt benefit CCP at all, their real money is already in the real bank.

I disagree....ItGÇÖs better for CCP if plex goes down. CCP doesnGÇÖt get any additional income from the plex at higher prices just the opposite. They make their money regardless of what the plex sells for. The more isk a player gets for the plex the further it goes in game and the longer it takes till that player needs to buy another.

Higher plex doesnGÇÖt benefit CCP at all, their real money is already in the real bank.

true story, even if i got more than enough isk, high plex prices got me thinking to buy some and resell on market. Think ill wait a few days till it goes to 1 bill muahahah

EDIT: Take this "Economy" you *#&%#& of a *%"'%# !!!

If plex costs more, more people buy more plex to sell on the market, ccp make more money.

Though I wonder about one thing:

Don't these high PLEX prices encourage more high sec play as for grinding and mining? Isn't that contra to what CCP would like to see? Just wondering....

Don't be naive, you think people don't buy more plex when they get 600mil instead of 300mil?

well im backing lucious terrinous,
he is right, and a lot of u ppl giveing him stick are proly justa bunch of trols.

If the Price of plex goies up agen, ppl will stip plexing accounts, the market will get flooded with over priced plex's.


CCP are selling plex's for real Money.
We by the Plex for game time.
This isent selling over priced scamed isk bought rubish.

troll this post all u want, but u know as much as us, prices keep going the way it does, u wont be selling any more, cus we cartn aford them.

Shan

Though I wonder about one thing:

Don't these high PLEX prices encourage more high sec play as for grinding and mining? Isn't that contra to what CCP would like to see? Just wondering....

Except when everyone stops buying plex because they refuse, or can't afford, to pay that much for it. Then people start abandoning their alts and CCP loses money.

True but lack of demand will cause the prices go down pretty rapidly.

True but lack of demand will cause the prices go down pretty rapidly.

Yes, but will that be enough to make people want to dust off their inactive alts after they've become comfortable with using just one account again? I think the community would need some incentive, probably in the form of free game time (essentially countering the profits CCP have made from this current Plex boom).

This is all speculation though. I'm not an expert and I have no actual data. I'm sure CCP have spent many hours running the figures.

I have 1 account i pay real life money for and 2 i pay with for plex. i mean 627 million isk for a plex now i remember just a couple of years ago that plex was only 350 million a piece. So why are they so high now, the current price of plex is going to make it next to impossible for some players to make that much isk in a month. Some of the eve community love this game as do i but we do not have the real life funds to be able to pay for accounts.

i guess my question is why isnt ccp doing something about the huge inflation of plex? Make it at least a little easier for players of eve to plex thier accounts.

but honestly if the prices of plex keeps going up eve online will lose players because they dont have the time or the rl money to play the game anymore.

the maximum price in ISK someone is prepared to pay for it
the minimum price in ISK someone is prepared to sell it for
which part of these 2 values can CCP control ??

Plex prices are being affected by the rampant ISK farming in FW as has been stated. Look at the implant market for examples of conversion of FW LP. Also that half LP dealis being exploited as well. As soon as CCP nerfs the FW ISK faucet next issue, things will settle down a bit.

Unfortunately, it may take some time for things to settle down.

How so?

FW doesn't actually create much isk only LP. Only way to cash out is buying stuff off LP market which usually costs LP+ISK. So FW only moves isk around, it doesn't actually create any and it removes it.

Both of them. Only CCP can regulate the rate at which the economy becomes saturated with ISK. It takes players to generate the ISK, but they only generate it using the systems CCP have put in place for them. By having the power to tweak numbers, CCP have pretty much full control of the economy.

Yes I get all that, but the point is the exploit in FW allows for more LP/ISK transfers and that unusual amount of ISK generated from the exploited LP is partially part of the inflation in plex prices.

I know this from several people that are doing it. FW is generating way too much LP because of the exploit and everyone being honest knows this and that is why CCP is nerfing the LP exploit.

The amount of LP FW is producing shouldn't directly affect inflation or plex prices*. It only affects wealth distribution within New Eden, since someone needs to buy all those LP items. Overall however it doesn't inflate isk value which would lead to higher prices.


*This would imply that FW members aren't manipulating the plex market by hoarding plexes to inflate the price.

What the guy told me was there is an "exploit" GROSS GAME MECHANIC WORKING AS INTENDED in FW that allows people to essential orbit a beacon for 15 minutes kill nothing and collect LP. He says he has new FW alts that he does this with AFK. He then waits for some kind of system control 5 deal that allows you to purchase stuff for half the normal LP. 75% NORMAL LP COST AND 75% NORMAL ISK COST

They cannot control what value you, I or anyone else personally assign to an item.

plex prices are approaching 700m. this is going to make it verty very hard to have multiple accounts especially for people like myself who spend 150 dollars a month for our paid accounts and have more paid with plexes.

the issues its that i can't make enough money in my current play time to fund all my accounts with plex, so here is what i prapose.

1. increase level 4 mission isk payouts by 50%
2. increase incursion payouts by 50%
3. increase the buying price of minerals 200%

this will make plexes affordable again.
solved.


reposted ty isd 40 for poinitng out the problem

The amount of LP FW is producing shouldn't directly affect inflation or plex prices*

It affects the price of Plex because the LP farmers are using their profits to buy Plex.

Of course they can. By controlling the flow of ISK into the game and the methods people use to acquire that ISK, they can dictate the values people place on their ISK and therefore dictate the prices people are willing to buy and sell commodities.

If it takes the average high-sec mission runner 600 hours to generate 600m ISK, high-sec mission runners will not buy PLEX for 600m because it is not worth their ISK. At the same time, CCP could make mining yields much higher by tweaking numbers. They could flood the market with resources and drive down the prices of ships and modules so all the high-sec mission runners earning 1m ISK per hour could easily afford ships and modules. They still can't afford plex though.

On the opposite side of the coin, CCP could change missions to pay out roughly 600m ISK per hour. Then all mission runners will be happy to pay 600m ISK for Plex because it would be barely effort for them at all. At the same time they could reduce ore yields, forcing the prices of ships and modules to some absurd level.

I hope that helps you understand how CCP has the power to fully control the economy.

Well someone, who shall remain unnamed has buying plex like they were going out of style, he decieded to make more ISK off them, so he buys and resells them, he does this to make a nice profit, despite what you hear these days, profit is not now or ever has it been a dirty word.

I do not plex, I like my games to be fun and working for isk to play sounds like, wait for it, wait for it, work!! I do support the people making the plex cost go up so high, and hope it soon tops a billion ISK. I cannot imagine the tears of the people who have to pay 1 billion!!

Good, I like this development. If they get any higher maybe I'll buy a few PLEXes now, because screw grinding spaceship ISK.

Here's how i see it
1. CCP has royally ****** this game up to where the little guy gets ****** over

2. CCP needs to fix their **** up and help the new players not the ******* larger alliance who control the game and just cause they are the biggest alliances in the games doesnt mean they get the only voice in this game

3. Fix the god damn plex prices this is stupid just cause you want to earn a few bucks and forget about your player base wow CCP ******* WOW!!!

4 and final MAKE ALLIANCES HAVE A MAX NUMBER THIS IS ******* ********

ALSO I LOVE PANDAS SO **** OFF EVERYONE

1 plex = $15 ?
$15 = 620m

Not even gold farmers could offer it that cheap. Something is broken here.

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE.

In the UK EVE is -ú10 a month. If -ú10 for a whole month of your hobby is too much then you probably have bigger financial issues that being able to pay for your EVE account.

I won't pay 700M for PLEX just to log in the game for 10 mins a day. There come periods in the lives of some of us that the sole reason of playing is to be able to afford a PLEX so we can renew for a month and keep accumulating skillpoints. Unless PLEX prices drop to their former value (CCP banning bots/manipulating PLEX market or w/e) this company is gonna lose customers.

I guess I could fork over $15/mth for my a main account. But not for my alt account.
I've grown used to operating & relying on 2 accounts for missions, mining etc.

It would take me an entire month of slaving away in game, to afford the current price of one 30day plex. I don't see how I can ever advance in game at this rate. I always thought 350m isk for a plex was okay, 500m pushing it but 600+?? No way.. Why can't ccp just put a cap limit?

So ultimately I may decide to stop playing when my isk runs out.

It's in CCP's interest for the prices to go up. They are adding new sources of demand for PLEX, including the for-pay tournament.

The result is predictible based on Value = Demand / Supply.

I hope this helps clarify the role of PLEX and CCP's position on their inflation.

If you don't have time to pay for EvE, how do you have time to play EvE?

Just because i cant afford to plex 3 accounts in rl does not mean i dont have a good job just other things that my money needs to go to first.

but honestly if the prices of plex keeps going up eve online will lose players because they dont have the time or the rl money to play the game anymore.

Yeah, do you have accounts nearly into triple figures? THOUGHT NOT

Yeah, or you could just do what normal people do and play on one account that you pay for with real money from your job.

I've always hated this "you must have alts to be good" bullshit in Eve.

When I see people with like 25 accounts I think to myself, wow do you have a job, a life, have you ever gotten laid?

This game has some of the worst examples of pathetic unemployed virgin nerds out of all the games I play.

Also, the "But you can't make money in Eve without alts" argument is a load of BULLCRAP.

I have one character and one account and 40 billion in my wallet.

Alts are just a way for epic failure players to artificially gain advantages over everyone else by multiplying their numbers.

Another reason why I hate alts is the paranoid environment they create everywhere.

but honestly if the prices of plex keeps going up eve online will lose players because they dont have the time or the rl money to play the game anymore.

Eve will loose players not paying for their accounts. CCP will not loose revenue because those PLEX are already bought and paid for. If the prices are as high as they are right now, that means there is a great demand for PLEX.

What about those people that pay cash for PLEX. Do you think they want to sell their PLEX for 350m ISK. When they can get 650m for it?

I think people that can't understand this are the same ones that think government needs to get more involved in our economy to fix it.

Yeah, or you could just do what normal people do and play on one account that you pay for with real money from your job.

I've always hated this "you must have alts to be good" bullshit in Eve.

They can lose future revenue if so many PLEX using players unsub that the PLEX crashes and people stop purchasing it (for real money).

You may be saying "If the PLEX crashes, people will start buying them (with ISK) creating demand", but that's only true if players who want to use PLEX are still in the game. Someone who has quit and moved to a different game will not buy a PLEX no matter how low it goes.

Also anything that reduces subscriptions is bad as it makes it look like eve is a poor game, which is bad for attracting new players.

So many assumptions made in so few sentances.

Eve will loose players not paying for their accounts. CCP will not loose revenue because those PLEX are already bought and paid for. If the prices are as high as they are right now, that means there is a great demand for PLEX.

Reselling and transfering of PLEXes should be prohibited. And prices will get back to normal values. CCP should stop the market manipulations.

So many assumptions made in so few sentances.

Also anything that reduces subscriptions is bad as it makes it look like eve is a poor game, which is bad for attracting new players.

40b isn't a lot of ISK these days.

I know, that was not the point.

It's amazing how you can fluctuate between 900 and 40 billion when you play the market.

It's amazing how I can have 40 billion, 85 billion, 160 billion or 300 billion depending on how I do my accounting.

40b isn't a lot of ISK these days.

CCP has no control over PLEX prices. The players control the prices in whole. If you are too ignorant to understand that then I am wasting my time trying to explain it yet again.

CPP must be thinking that Greed is good.

You'd be right if CCP got payed in EVE isk.

Just because i cant afford to plex 3 accounts in rl does not mean i dont have a good job just other things that my money needs to go to first.

but honestly if the prices of plex keeps going up eve online will lose players because they dont have the time or the rl money to play the game anymore.

Will not losing players, only lose accounts which don't pay with real money. So no big deal to CCP.

The whole beauty of the PLEX system is that it will always find an equillibrium. It is actually a good indicator of the overall health of the game - higher PLEX means the health of the game is worse, as obviously less people wish to spend their RL cash on EVE.

It is rather ridiculous how the plex prices have done nothing but rise, I blame all the catering towards carebears - incursions in hisec, buffing afk/bot mining, etc

I feel bad for the poors who can't afford either the real life money or the spacemoney. Must feel bad.

Why?? Do you feel sorry for poor people who can't afford cable? EVE like any game/hobby is a luxury, if you can afford it great if you can't tough shi t.

I'd love to fire around on a speedboat but I can't afford one so I'm screwed, maybe I'll just send supirous emails to a manufacturer of speedboats asking them why they can't give me one for 1/3 rd of the price.