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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.03.19 09:59:00 -
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 Originally by: Enirale
One last thing, why do you threaten CCP with quiting? It is the lowest tactic I have ever seen in EVE to get your way. Informing CCP of the problem(s) is one thing, but blackmailing them is just plain despicable. Quit cowering and stand up to defend what you claim.
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Why? Because it works, get people to spam the forums and say theyll quite eve if they dont get their way and submit your wishlist.
Anyway, Xetic is unhappy with their regions, they claim other alliances agree yet pretty much all of the "I agree" spam comes from Xetic members.
I havent seen any other alliances go into crazy carebear mode on the forums either.
That and the largest alliance in the game being unable to set up some form of defense in empire is distrubing. 
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.03.19 10:00:00 -
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Crazy carebear moders asking for wars to be consentual only in Empire = wrong.
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2005.03.19 10:10:00 -
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Nono Discorperation! It¦s not that easy. Xetic is one of the strongest or maybe TEH strongest industrial force in EVE. These players keep the market and production running. They have a right to have fun like a pirate players should be able to have fun for his 10$/week. Risk vs reward is the key - CCP should give them all they demand - but at high risk!
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.03.19 10:14:00 -
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if you use force of numbers to force a development change, then you're wrong, no matter what you're suggesting 
I do see that there's no reasn for industrialists to form an alliance, which is sad. There should be some inherent benefits with the alliance tag.
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2005.03.19 10:34:00 -
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Quote:
if you use force of numbers to force a development change, then you're wrong, no matter what you're suggesting
This happens since i play eve! Carebear-masses make CCP change the game. This is not new and also PVP-alliances (i wont say names) do mass-post to have influence on CCP. Especially you are one of these players that use numbers in forums - and on the battlefield.
You have to understand that you wont much PVP in 0.0 if the industrial players arent settling 0.0. Happy industrial players in 0.0 cause happy pirates in 0.0 - quite simple.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.03.19 10:40:00 -
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Yes, board spamflooding happens a lot, Lifewire ..
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Elise Masutra
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Posted - 2005.03.19 10:46:00 -
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Edited by: Elise Masutra on 19/03/2005 10:46:27
i agree with cyvok's post
would be nice to see how all react if xetic drops the official alliance and move on the old way :)
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MOS DEF
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Posted - 2005.03.19 11:32:00 -
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/agree
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S'Daria
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Posted - 2005.03.19 11:47:00 -
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Edited by: S''Daria on 19/03/2005 11:54:36
Like its been said before, until 0.0 space has something to protect and worthwild to protect they'll be no reason to be in 0.0 space.
Here are some ideas on what can be done to 0.0 space to make it more attractive:
- POS''es need to have have factory/lab/clone/insurance facilities
- POS''es need an Agent Communciation''s Array/Complex that
allows mission to be run from a POS from an agent the POS owner hires
- Add more entrances into 0.0 space ("The New Order" coming soon)
- LP and mission rewards need to have a greater difference when considering quality and system security (haven't tested to new patch on the test server yet - hopefully that "fixed" it)
- Implants need not be as rare so with some effort they can be replaced (provide a LP service for an agent to turn in LP for implants - a +3 implant should be like 15mil isk or 10mil + 10k LP)
- Mission rats should not "cheat" and thus can be Nos''ed and all forms of EW - this means that they can do the same (this way our PvE setups will be the same or nearly the same as our PvP setups and thus we will
not be totally gimped when we have a PvP encounter)
- Attempt to balance mining and agent rewards (example: 4mil/hour in 1.0 space for Level IV missions...25mil/hour in 0.0)
- Allow us place our own sentries at the jumpgate of system's where we have a POS'es
- Reduce the cost of running a POS (why does a POS require empire ice to run? Just add ice drones or allow POS'es to run from a combonation of moon supplies)
- Remove NPC stations in 0.0 - once POS'es have full facilities that is)
- Only Alliances can declare war on another Alliance, otherwise you'll have to declare war on an individual corp in that alliance and if you do anyone in the alliance can shoot FIRST against the enemy corp
- The ability to 'see' on your scanner who is logged out in space - "You notice 20x warp/impulse particles at this location"
- You don't show up in local chat until you talk in 0.4 or less systems
- All 0.0 system have no 'pilot'/kill/etc. information collected unless you/corp/alliance own a POS in THAT system
- POS'es have a log of all the events the occured while you were gone (this would go for sentry guns that you own as well - quieried remotely btw)
- POS'es need to have a Market module that allows the owner to set permissions on who can buy/sell (no remote buys are allowed - this si so someone can't change someone's standing once they bought something and would need to pick it up)
The above are just a couple of suggestions that may or may not have been suggested.
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Grondal
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Posted - 2005.03.19 11:58:00 -
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Edited by: Grondal on 19/03/2005 11:58:45
What is "the New World Order"?
yes and of course
-signed & agreed-
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Chavok
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Posted - 2005.03.19 12:07:00 -
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Edited by: Chavok on 19/03/2005 12:09:12
Originally by: Lifewire
Quote:
if you use force of numbers to force a development change, then you're wrong, no matter what you're suggesting
This happens since i play eve! Carebear-masses make CCP change the game. This is not new and also PVP-alliances (i wont say names) do mass-post to have influence on CCP. Especially you are one of these players that use numbers in forums - and on the battlefield.
You have to understand that you wont much PVP in 0.0 if the industrial players arent settling 0.0. Happy industrial players in 0.0 cause happy pirates in 0.0 - quite simple.
...hate to break it to ya, but the griefers/exploiters caused most of the changes we are suffering with now. Those others are just trying to get the 'fixes' fixed.
The carebears and actual-pirats seem to agree, only those that like to gate gank and grief seem to be flaming this thread...
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2005.03.19 12:11:00 -
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God forbid they got to look for people to kill.
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.03.19 12:13:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 19/03/2005 12:13:43
Originally by: S'Daria
Remove NPC stations in 0.0 - once POS'es have full facilities that is)
That would make no sense whatsoever, why would any pirate faction (Who is +10x more powerfull and richer then any alliance in the game) let themselves get forced out of their stations and forced into working in an alliance POS?
And apart from that forcing people to join an alliance so they can run missions is bad.
Originally by: S'Daria
Only Alliances can declare war on another Alliance, otherwise you'll have to declare war on an individual corp in that alliance and if you do anyone in the alliance can shoot FIRST against the enemy corp
So whenever a single corp decleares war on an alliance the alliance will be allowed to shoot them but the corp cant shoot back?
Quite a confusing sentance, explination would be nice.
I agree with most of the other points.
Though id rather see POS bagged and Station Construction Platforms be released. (Theyre in the game files already)
Starbases should simply be mining/refining/Repair&Rearm outposts, Cheap to run and easy to gank.
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Xiliath
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Posted - 2005.03.19 12:18:00 -
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Edited by: Xiliath on 19/03/2005 12:19:38
Cyvok, I have to say, I agree with what you're saying, but some of the stuff you're asking for the devs have spoken about introducing. Such as the research slot and factories. If I'm not mistaken, the devs are supposed to be implementing modules to support that for the POS, I know that's not exactley what you want, because there are some problems with how the POS operates but it's a little advancement. Even though I'm not a member of an alliance, I too would like to see alliances able to build there own stations to support themselves, and offer services to other members and friends. But from a developers point of view that's alot of work. It will take time to storyline who devolped them and how the stations are now buildable. It will take time to put in a system to how your stations hold influience in the solarsystem they reside in. It will take time to test how building stations effect lag in eve, and how to enhance the game and expand it without recourse. I understand the choke points in the game, I don't think I flow through EC-P8R once without being shot at or killed, but that's just how some players operate, and there always be players like that. Maybe a solution to that will be the new jump drive the devs are working on. And in reguards to your four points at the bottom of your post, I too would like to see that implemented, hopefully in due time, it will happen. I hope my post brings a new light or a little understanding, and if someone wants to flame me for my post then, so be it, because I'm just trying to view this from a diffrent point of view.
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Shamen
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Posted - 2005.03.19 12:22:00 -
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Helmut 314
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Posted - 2005.03.19 12:49:00 -
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Well written, Cyvok.
Making POS what they were promised to be (Factories, research, useful) will go a long way towards adressing the 0.0 issues. As far as Alliance warfare goes, corps should not be able to declare on alliances, and alliances not be able to declare on corps. Alliance-Alliance and corp-corp should be the only allowed wars. You dont see GM declaring war on Japan and sending in the GM Navy sinking Nissan car ferries because they disklike Japanese cars, do you ?
If you are a small griefer corp and want to attack an alliance, just go look them up in 0.0. Of course, the the risk/reward balance isnt weighted heavily enough in your favour....
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MadGaz
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Posted - 2005.03.19 13:10:00 -
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Edited by: MadGaz on 19/03/2005 13:11:20
I agree that POS should be made more useful, but you want it so that you wont have to work hard at all to defend.
As for whining about "grievers" picking on the people in empire, why are they in empire??? Supposedly xetic is an 0.0 alliance.
Oh and I'm not making an alt to sign this.
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Chrisb6122
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Posted - 2005.03.19 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: MadGaz
Edited by: MadGaz on 19/03/2005 13:11:20
I agree that POS should be made more useful, but you want it so that you wont have to work hard at all to defend.
As for whining about "grievers" picking on the people in empire, why are they in empire??? Supposedly xetic is an 0.0 alliance.
Oh and I'm not making an alt to sign this.
Make the alt,
Agreed,
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Katya Detia
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Posted - 2005.03.19 13:30:00 -
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 So you picked a region of space
Xif formed..
Claimed space.. (Which you choose)
Formed an offical alliance.. (Knowing of the risks)
In doing so you deny access to that space.. Enforced by military power and numbers..
Xif started the path to military domination as did every other alliance in EvE by claiming space.
Ok so now alliances attack you, and you start complaining about it :s.. Sorry this isnt ment as a flame.. more constructive critism.
To hold space, you have a military. To build an empire in 0.0 space, you need a military. Its always been said that EvE was to focus on PvP mainly.
One day space will be possible to be properly claimed, stations built.. its just not yet. We all make do with what we have right now.. not what "might" be.. Thats no way to build up.
e.g. Im going to build a city in the desert.. because one way it might rain..
Now i do agree changes need to be made.. The thing that attaracted me was all the different paths avalible.. But complaining about war when your actions have lead you down that path isnt the best thing to do imo :).
Again not a flame.. just some constructive critism.
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Katya Detia
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Posted - 2005.03.19 13:33:00 -
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Just an added point.. if you cant defend your 5 regions.. drop 1 or 2.. and let another small alliance sprout up or someone else claim it. Dont be greedy and hold all 5 regions if u dont have the power to do it.
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vanBuskirk
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Posted - 2005.03.19 14:12:00 -
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I agree. Nothing except combat seems to be getting any reasonable amount of attention.
We need a reason to live in 0.0. There isn't one.
WE need POS that are worth the time and effort to run (Labs and factories anyone?)
We need a way of selling only to friends. I'll explain that. I'm an industrialist. In Empire, it is possible for me to make stuff, put it on the market and forget about it. In 0.0, my alliance hierachy has decided to ban putting stuff on the market, because enemies have offices in the stations in the middle of our space and it's a poor idea to sell stuff to the enemy in any war. So if I want to sell anything, the market is useless, and I have to be on all the time to sell anything. As I have a real-life business to run and can't play 23/7, that means that being an industry player in my accessible bit of 0.0 is out of the question. So I stay in empire.
How difficult would it be to make it possible to restrict sales to alliance members? I suspect not difficult at all; something similar is already in place for escrow.
The devs either can't be bothered, or actively don't want to do this because it would decrease the total dominance of combat in EVE as an activity, and the devs think only combat matters.
The only reason I'm likely to go to 0.0 again is to make a quick dash into that space for high-end minerals, or possibly to try my luck at the high-end rats. And I doubt I'm the only one.
If this mess isn't sorted out soon, players who don't live for combat are going to leave the game in droves.
Not all your players want a combat-fest! Are you listening, devs?
I doubt it.
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MatrixICE
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Posted - 2005.03.19 14:35:00 -
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I have to Agree is there any way to get rid of the POS or make them not so nurfed, i would like to ba bale to build sentrys at gates in 0.0 and stations and by station i dont mean POS, i am talking about regualer stations.
Counqerable station with the building corp having the abbility to add new services to it. in essecnce making a corp or alliance something worth joining and worht beeing apart of. and we deffently need a way to defend alliances, and like he said Why defend space that has no real value. If it dosent have anything they need or can use them why bother they might aswell stay in empire.
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Cunny
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Posted - 2005.03.19 14:52:00 -
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The only valid concern I've seen in this thread is about the uselessness of POSs. The rest is just a blaring teary-eyed "please me or I'll quit" carebear whinefest louder than a group of Howler Monkeys smashing cymbals while standing on a fog horn.
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Iaukea Asarnil
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Posted - 2005.03.19 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Cunny
The only valid concern I've seen in this thread is about the uselessness of POSs. The rest is just a blaring teary-eyed "please me or I'll quit" carebear whinefest louder than a group of Howler Monkeys smashing cymbals while standing on a fog horn.
Good line  . And I agree, 90% of the real problems here (not problems with Eve in general) could be solved by improving the POS so they're a realistic alternative to stations, both by adding extra services and/or by making them less of a 23/7 job to run.
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Toutagamon
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Posted - 2005.03.19 15:07:00 -
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agreed
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Ticondrius
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Posted - 2005.03.19 15:54:00 -
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WTB: Boost Injector and Nerfbat combo. Paying EXTREEEEEMLY well!
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Yllyna
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Posted - 2005.03.19 16:04:00 -
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agree , i stop my account and this thread is a good explanation for my behaviour .
I am strong minmatar and i have a lot of ships and pvp kills .... but ... for what ? i don't know ...
0.0 is bored ! .... 
PS : i am on EVE since 1 years and 5 month ... and i wish castor ...
Exodus/shiva is bored and juste a game for kids ( Who says CS  ? )
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Gift
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Posted - 2005.03.19 16:46:00 -
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The war system is fine how it is. The weak will die & be replaced by the strong. Unfortunetly the weak will "beg & threaten" on the forums while they're dying.
Alliances have "griefed" more people than any pirate corp in the game, now that they are getting their cumupins we are all supposed to  for them.
ADAPT of QUIT!
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V2GBR
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Posted - 2005.03.19 17:02:00 -
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lol at all the xetic alts signing STFU and get yeh dummy back in yeh gobs.
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MOS DEF
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Posted - 2005.03.19 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: V2GBR
lol at all the xetic alts signing STFU and get yeh dummy back in yeh gobs.
I admire you argumentation skills mister!
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