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Vol Arm'OOO Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 49	Posted - 2012.10.10 13:36:00 - [1] - Quote According to the various Dev blogs a considerable number of play styles are being severely curtailed or eliminated by CCP in the up coming expansion -- can flipper, baiter of can flippers, ganking for profit, solo small ship (e.g. sb) hunting of missioners, etc. . . If you were one of the players who participated in these play styles what do you expect to be doing after the update? Will you move to low/null? Or maybe kick ccp/eve to the side of the road and play mechwarrior online, or some other game? I, for one, used to be heavily in to can flipping and baiting competing can flippers. I also greatly enjoyed hunting missioners in small ships - so this expansion hits my personal playstyle right where it hurts. In response I moved to low sec. But the sec loss/grind there is annoying. I tried the null thing and its blob/bubble play is not for me. So while I expect I will continue playing eve, I anticipate lowering my game time in favor of other games (XCOM). So what about you guys out there?
Torvin Yulus State War Academy Caldari State 65	Posted - 2012.10.10 13:38:00 - [2] - Quote YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR GETTIG WHAT YOU DESERVE YOU GOON YOU KNOW WHAT! ALL YOU KNOW HOW TO DO IS TO SHOOT NOOBS WHO CANT FIGHT BACK YOU ARE SUCHG A L33T SPACE PIRATE I CANT EVEN TELL YOU HOW AWESOME YOU ARE CCP IS FINALLY MAKING A STAND AGAINST THE GRIEFERS AND THE MORONS WHO ARE RUINING EVE ONLINE AND RUINING MY GAME! THIS IS MY GAME! I WILL NOT LET YOU RUIN IT!!!! im a pubby and im proud
Doddy Excidium. Executive Outcomes 262	Posted - 2012.10.10 13:39:00 - [3] - Quote Can flipping is getting a massive boost, hell you can flip your own alts can and become a target for any idiot in eve. It will be epic.
Vol Arm'OOO Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 49	Posted - 2012.10.10 13:40:00 - [4] - Quote Torvin Yulus wrote: YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR GETTIG WHAT YOU DESERVE YOU GOON YOU KNOW WHAT! ALL YOU KNOW HOW TO DO IS TO SHOOT NOOBS WHO CANT FIGHT BACK YOU ARE SUCHG A L33T SPACE PIRATE I CANT EVEN TELL YOU HOW AWESOME YOU ARE CCP IS FINALLY MAKING A STAND AGAINST THE GRIEFERS AND THE MORONS WHO ARE RUINING EVE ONLINE AND RUINING MY GAME! THIS IS MY GAME! I WILL NOT LET YOU RUIN IT!!!! Clearly when you use all caps everyone will agree with you.
Lord Ryan True Xero 706	Posted - 2012.10.10 13:41:00 - [5] - Quote Yeah goon! Do not assume-áanything above this line-áwas typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient. Nerf it cause I can't fly it. I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes.
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet 2775	Posted - 2012.10.10 13:41:00 - [6] - Quote I don't see how any of what you say is actually happening. What is happening is, that poor knowledge of aggression mechanics aren't going to get noobies killed as easily and criminal activity can more easily lead to escalating fights. This will lead to increased danger and unknown situations for the aggressor, but if you're not a gankbear, I don't see what the big deal is. All it means is more fights for you for the same amount of effort.
highonpop Eve Liberation Force Fatal Ascension 346	Posted - 2012.10.10 13:41:00 - [7] - Quote I used to be really big into can flipping and general solo griefing. Infact, I was in a corporation that was built around harassment, can flipping, bait canning. We did it to incite war dec's. It was quite fun. CCP isnt getting rid of this, they are just making it harder to do it in the traditional way. Smart griefers will find ways to adapt. Personally, I like the change to neutrals getting involved in 1v1 conflicts. I always hated it when someone would have a neutral come rep them and you couldnt do anything about it. You will just have to can flip in a larger ship and actually have some balls. If anything, Can flipping will be what people actually want it to be, a way to get a lot of fights. Can flip someone, and you are suddenly red to every one that is paying attention (which isnt very many in highsec) So, the guy that is running the belts with a frigate or destro fit to kill small frig rats will say "oh look, a bad guy, im going to shoot him" and you proceed to tear him a new ******** in your pvp fit ship. Conversely, if you really suck at paying attention to who is near you in the belt, you could die. http://www.soundboard.com/sb/Very%20best%20of%20Makalu%20Zarya R.I.P Vile Rat http://evemaps.dotlan.net/live/Outpost/Rename/2012-09-12
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 2517	Posted - 2012.10.10 13:42:00 - [8] - Quote Change is hard. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Alice Saki 9548	Posted - 2012.10.10 13:43:00 - [9] - Quote Torvin Yulus wrote: YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR GETTIG WHAT YOU DESERVE YOU GOON YOU KNOW WHAT! ALL YOU KNOW HOW TO DO IS TO SHOOT NOOBS WHO CANT FIGHT BACK YOU ARE SUCHG A L33T SPACE PIRATE I CANT EVEN TELL YOU HOW AWESOME YOU ARE CCP IS FINALLY MAKING A STAND AGAINST THE GRIEFERS AND THE MORONS WHO ARE RUINING EVE ONLINE AND RUINING MY GAME! THIS IS MY GAME! I WILL NOT LET YOU RUIN IT!!!! MY EYES!!! COPY AND PASTE THIS AWESOMENESS!!! THIS IS THE ANSWER!! or WAT! Scottish Interweb Spaceshippy Person, Very Easily Confused. I like to show my Love by Smashing people in the face with a big Hammer.
Vol Arm'OOO Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 49	Posted - 2012.10.10 13:43:00 - [10] - Quote Doddy wrote: Can flipping is getting a massive boost, hell you can flip your own alts can and become a target for any idiot in eve. It will be epic. That's an exercise in consensual pvp - putting cans in front of jita undock is not what im talking about -- imo thats not can flipping. "True" can flipping involved getting someone to engage in pvp when they really didnt want to or expect to. And besides ccp is putting in a lock that is defaulted to from the start that will prevent you from flipping a can in empire - so I doubt there is going to be a boost to can flipping - its just going to be reduced to consensual fights.

Doddy Excidium. Executive Outcomes 264	Posted - 2012.10.10 13:44:00 - [11] - Quote highonpop wrote: CCP isnt getting rid of this, they are just making it harder to do it in the traditional way. Smart griefers will find ways to adapt. Personally, I like the change to neutrals getting involved in 1v1 conflicts. I always hated it when someone would have a neutral come rep them and you couldnt do anything about it. . Erm you have always been able to do something about that, crimewatch will make precisely no difference other than the repper will also now be able to shoot you first.
Brooks Puuntai Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 863	Posted - 2012.10.10 13:45:00 - [12] - Quote Its called adapting. With the new crimewatch mechanics I'm sure there will be easy ways to manipulate the system to get people to aggress an alt which then will create new professions. It's strange how people claim that CCP is killing a profession like ninja salvaging, and mission ganking thinking that they were ALWAYs in the game or mainstream. None of those professions where really utilized until after the new scanning system was introduced. Change opens new doors for those who are willing to look. People now just whine and rage.
Abdiel Kavash Paladin Order Fidelas Constans 891	Posted - 2012.10.10 13:46:00 - [13] - Quote Adapt. Just like everyone else did every other time CCP changed something. What do you think makes you entitled to being able to use the same ship, the same fittings, the same strategies, the same target, and always achieve the same success, forever?
Torvin Yulus State War Academy Caldari State 65	Posted - 2012.10.10 13:46:00 - [14] - Quote Abdiel Kavash wrote: Adapt. Just like everyone else did every other time CCP changed something. easy to say adapt when its the carebears who are the wage slaves to the goonswarm and AAA industrial complex. i demand EQUITY! im a pubby and im proud
Dirty Wizard The Geedunk Expedition 46	Posted - 2012.10.10 13:47:00 - [15] - Quote I feel slightly dumberer for reading this thread. The severity of stagnation that EvE suffers is calculated by the frequency and quantity of stupid threads and posts. It's measured on a scale of one through ten (one being fresh and ten being dead). In my opinion EvE has a stagnation level of 6, possibly 7.
Vol Arm'OOO Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 49	Posted - 2012.10.10 13:47:00 - [16] - Quote highonpop wrote: I used to be really big into can flipping and general solo griefing. Infact, I was in a corporation that was built around harassment, can flipping, bait canning. We did it to incite war dec's. It was quite fun. CCP isnt getting rid of this, they are just making it harder to do it in the traditional way. Smart griefers will find ways to adapt. Personally, I like the change to neutrals getting involved in 1v1 conflicts. I always hated it when someone would have a neutral come rep them and you couldnt do anything about it. You will just have to can flip in a larger ship and actually have some balls. If anything, Can flipping will be what people actually want it to be, a way to get a lot of fights. Can flip someone, and you are suddenly red to every one that is paying attention (which isnt very many in highsec) So, the guy that is running the belts with a frigate or destro fit to kill small frig rats will say "oh look, a bad guy, im going to shoot him" and you proceed to tear him a new ******** in your pvp fit ship. Conversely, if you really suck at paying attention to who is near you in the belt, you could die. I dont know why people keep saying that smart players will find a way around it. There are only so many points of interaction between players in the game. CCP has expressly stated that with the new lock system they expect can fliping to die. In fact, go out into the game now and try and actually find a can miner. You simply cant have can flipping without can miners. Sure you have the usual cans in front of jita undock - but thats all consensual combat. So unless ccp does something to barges - there will be no getting around the lack of cans to do can flipping "smarter."
Brooks Puuntai Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 863	Posted - 2012.10.10 13:47:00 - [17] - Quote Torvin Yulus wrote: Abdiel Kavash wrote: Adapt. Just like everyone else did every other time CCP changed something. easy to say adapt when its the carebears who are the wage slaves to the goonswarm and AAA industrial complex. i demand EQUITY! You lost all credit by mentioning -A-.
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 819	Posted - 2012.10.10 13:48:00 - [18] - Quote highonpop wrote: Smart griefers will find ways to adapt. Personally, I like the change to neutrals getting involved in 1v1 conflicts. I always hated it when someone would have a neutral come rep them and you couldnt do anything about it. Guess how we are going to adapt? That's right we're going to bring even more neutral guardians and hug the station even harder, because that's how you mitigate the risk of potentially being shot at by anybody in system. And some other stuff that I'm not going to disclose, some of it actually involving what you do with the guardians, but mostly the first part. Fights go from being inside mission pockets and asteroid belts and involving single individuals versus single individuals or small groups from the same corporation to being big old clusterfucks outside the station.
Doddy Excidium. Executive Outcomes 264	Posted - 2012.10.10 13:48:00 - [19] - Quote Vol Arm'OOO wrote: Doddy wrote: Can flipping is getting a massive boost, hell you can flip your own alts can and become a target for any idiot in eve. It will be epic. That's an exercise in consensual pvp - putting cans in front of jita undock is not what im talking about -- imo thats not can flipping. "True" can flipping involved getting someone to engage in pvp when they really didnt want to or expect to. And besides ccp is putting in a lock that is defaulted to from the start that will prevent you from flipping a can in empire - so I doubt there is going to be a boost to can flipping - its just going to be reduced to consensual fights. What exactly is the downside? You can still flip just the same except now its much easier to attract attention.
Torvin Yulus State War Academy Caldari State 65	Posted - 2012.10.10 13:48:00 - [20] - Quote Brooks Puuntai wrote: Torvin Yulus wrote: Abdiel Kavash wrote: Adapt. Just like everyone else did every other time CCP changed something. easy to say adapt when its the carebears who are the wage slaves to the goonswarm and AAA industrial complex. i demand EQUITY! You lost all credit by mentioning -A-. i'm just mentioning the two leaders of the HBC which is dedicated to ganknig hulks and enslaving carebears. did i offend you goonie? im a pubby and im proud

Vol Arm'OOO Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 49	Posted - 2012.10.10 13:50:00 - [21] - Quote Doddy wrote: Vol Arm'OOO wrote: Doddy wrote: Can flipping is getting a massive boost, hell you can flip your own alts can and become a target for any idiot in eve. It will be epic. That's an exercise in consensual pvp - putting cans in front of jita undock is not what im talking about -- imo thats not can flipping. "True" can flipping involved getting someone to engage in pvp when they really didnt want to or expect to. And besides ccp is putting in a lock that is defaulted to from the start that will prevent you from flipping a can in empire - so I doubt there is going to be a boost to can flipping - its just going to be reduced to consensual fights. What exactly is the downside? You can still flip just the same except now its much easier to attract attention. You have to have cans to flip. In case you havent noticed, the barge changes rendered can mining obsolete. The current fotom is reterivers for the afk miner and macks for everyone else.
Brooks Puuntai Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 863	Posted - 2012.10.10 13:50:00 - [22] - Quote Torvin Yulus wrote: did i offend you goonie? If you think I'm a goon then you really are daft.
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 819	Posted - 2012.10.10 13:55:00 - [23] - Quote Doddy wrote: What exactly is the downside? You can still flip just the same except now its much easier to attract attention. I take it you've never actually flipped a can, huh? Here is what would happen if someone in a system I was in got suspect flagged by doing normal canflipping (taking a can from a miner and dumping it back out) under crimewatch 2. Someone else from my corp would decloak in their sensor boosting stealth bomber and point them then I'd warp in from a pounce in my tornado and alpha them. You see the difference between that and being able to identify who might actually come and shoot you based on their corp membership?
Robert De'Arneth 95	Posted - 2012.10.10 14:03:00 - [24] - Quote I am going to enjoy the changes because slime like you can no longer abuse a long broken game mechanic, I hope to see more tears from patehtic wannabes like you. I have always found pond scum that hunt noobs because they have no idea what the game mechanics were the bottom rung in EVE. That is my take on it.
Doddy Excidium. Executive Outcomes 266	Posted - 2012.10.10 14:10:00 - [25] - Quote Vol Arm'OOO wrote: Doddy wrote: Vol Arm'OOO wrote: Doddy wrote: Can flipping is getting a massive boost, hell you can flip your own alts can and become a target for any idiot in eve. It will be epic. That's an exercise in consensual pvp - putting cans in front of jita undock is not what im talking about -- imo thats not can flipping. "True" can flipping involved getting someone to engage in pvp when they really didnt want to or expect to. And besides ccp is putting in a lock that is defaulted to from the start that will prevent you from flipping a can in empire - so I doubt there is going to be a boost to can flipping - its just going to be reduced to consensual fights. What exactly is the downside? You can still flip just the same except now its much easier to attract attention. You have to have cans to flip. In case you havent noticed, the barge changes rendered can mining obsolete. The current fotom is reterivers for the afk miner and macks for everyone else. I still find people to flip. Anyway ccp killing can flipping with barge buff has nothing to with crimewatch.
baltec1 Bat Country 2440	Posted - 2012.10.10 14:12:00 - [26] - Quote Torvin Yulus wrote: YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR GETTIG WHAT YOU DESERVE YOU GOON YOU KNOW WHAT! ALL YOU KNOW HOW TO DO IS TO SHOOT NOOBS WHO CANT FIGHT BACK YOU ARE SUCHG A L33T SPACE PIRATE I CANT EVEN TELL YOU HOW AWESOME YOU ARE CCP IS FINALLY MAKING A STAND AGAINST THE GRIEFERS AND THE MORONS WHO ARE RUINING EVE ONLINE AND RUINING MY GAME! THIS IS MY GAME! I WILL NOT LET YOU RUIN IT!!!! Its sarcasm captain but at levels I have never seen before!
Vol Arm'OOO Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 49	Posted - 2012.10.10 14:14:00 - [27] - Quote Robert De'Arneth wrote: I am going to enjoy the changes because slime like you can no longer abuse a long broken game mechanic, I hope to see more tears from patehtic wannabes like you. I have always found pond scum that hunt noobs because they have no idea what the game mechanics were the bottom rung in EVE. That is my take on it. Certainly off topic. All I can say about it, is that I started can flipping as a noob because I wanted noob level pvp. Sure its easy to say to a new player get a rifter and go to low to pvp, but when you actually try it, you find that (1) there is not many folk in low, and (2) you get face stompped by more experienced players. So if you came to eve (a supposedly pvp game) and actually wanted to pvp - what exactly are you supposed to do to find fights where you actually have a reasonable possibility of success? But i degress -- what I should really say is go back to wow you carebear.
Vol Arm'OOO Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 49	Posted - 2012.10.10 14:16:00 - [28] - Quote Doddy wrote: Vol Arm'OOO wrote: Doddy wrote: Vol Arm'OOO wrote: Doddy wrote: Can flipping is getting a massive boost, hell you can flip your own alts can and become a target for any idiot in eve. It will be epic. That's an exercise in consensual pvp - putting cans in front of jita undock is not what im talking about -- imo thats not can flipping. "True" can flipping involved getting someone to engage in pvp when they really didnt want to or expect to. And besides ccp is putting in a lock that is defaulted to from the start that will prevent you from flipping a can in empire - so I doubt there is going to be a boost to can flipping - its just going to be reduced to consensual fights. What exactly is the downside? You can still flip just the same except now its much easier to attract attention. You have to have cans to flip. In case you havent noticed, the barge changes rendered can mining obsolete. The current fotom is reterivers for the afk miner and macks for everyone else. I still find people to flip. Anyway ccp killing can flipping with barge buff has nothing to with crimewatch. Didn't say it did - but CCP has made clear that it expects can flipping to die in the expansion -- the dev blogs have explicitly said that the locks are intended to kill can flipping.
baltec1 Bat Country 2440	Posted - 2012.10.10 14:16:00 - [29] - Quote Robert De'Arneth wrote: I am going to enjoy the changes because slime like you can no longer abuse a long broken game mechanic, I hope to see more tears from patehtic wannabes like you. I have always found pond scum that hunt noobs because they have no idea what the game mechanics were the bottom rung in EVE. That is my take on it. People in faction fitted tengue are not new players. Also I am going to love agroing the world in my battlehaulers. Hell, I might just train up assault frigs too!
Skurja Volpar Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 27	Posted - 2012.10.10 14:16:00 - [30] - Quote Torvin Yulus wrote: YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR GETTIG WHAT YOU DESERVE YOU GOON YOU KNOW WHAT! ALL YOU KNOW HOW TO DO IS TO SHOOT NOOBS WHO CANT FIGHT BACK YOU ARE SUCHG A L33T SPACE PIRATE I CANT EVEN TELL YOU HOW AWESOME YOU ARE CCP IS FINALLY MAKING A STAND AGAINST THE GRIEFERS AND THE MORONS WHO ARE RUINING EVE ONLINE AND RUINING MY GAME! THIS IS MY GAME! I WILL NOT LET YOU RUIN IT!!!! heh



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