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Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2005.03.18 14:38:00 - [1] Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 22/05/2005 11:33:00 6) How many Loyalty points do I need for each ship? 75.000 û (1x) 1 run Frigate Blueprint (In exchange for Several Dog Tags) 100.000 û (1x) 1 Pre-Build Frigate (In exchange for a Normal Frigate + trade goods) (Empire Agent Offer Only) 350.000 û (1x) 5 run Frigate Blueprint (In exchange for Several Dog Tags) ???.??? û (1x) 1 Pre-Build Frigate (In Exchange for Credits and Loyalty Points) (Pirate Agent Offer Only / Coming in the next Patch) 250.000 û (1x) 1 Run Cruiser Blueprint (In exchange for Several Dog Tags) 300.000 û (1x) Pre-Build Cruiser (In exchange for a Normal Cruiser + trade goods) (Empire Agent Offer Only) 450.000 û (1x) 5 run Cruiser blueprint (In exchange for Several Dog Tags) ???.??? û (1x) 1 Pre-Build Cruiser (In Exchange for Credits and Loyalty Points) (Pirate Agent Offer Only / Coming in the next Patch) 500.000 û (1x) 1 run Battleship Blueprint (In exchange for Several Dog Tags) 600.000 û (1x) 1 Pre-Build Battleship (In exchange for a Normal Battleship + trade goods) (Empire Agent Offer Only) 800.000 û (1x) 1 Pre-Build Battleship (In Exchange for Credits and Loyalty Points) (Pirate Agent Offer Only) ?.???.??? û (1x) 5 run Battleship blueprint (Unverified/Unknown but logic points towards its existence ) 7) Which ships can I get from which faction? Frigates: Gallente: Gallente Navy Comet Amarr: Amarr Navy Slicer Minmatar: Republic Firetail Caldari: Navy Hookbill Guristas: Worm Serpentis: Daredevil Sansha: Succubus Blood Raider: Cruor Arch Angels: Dramiel Cruisers: Gallente: Navy Issue Vexor Amarr: Augoror Navy Issue Minmatar: Stabber Fleet Issue Caldari: Caracal Navy Issue Guristas: Gila Serpentis: Vigilant Sansha: Phantasm Blood Raider: Ashimmu Arch Angels: Cynabal Battleships: Gallente: Megathron Navy Issue Amarr: Apocalypse Navy Issue Minmatar: Tempest Fleet Issue Caldari: Raven Navy Issue Guristas: Rattlesnake Serpentis: Vindicator Sansha: Nightmare Blood Raider: Bhaalgorn Arch Angels: Machariel IÆve noticed that these questions come up most so hopefully this will help a few people out. If I missed anything or you know of any more questions regarding faction ships then feel free to post them, ill add them to the main post. --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2005.03.18 14:38:00 - [2] Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 02/05/2005 17:26:35 After watching topics with questions about faction ships pop up on a daily basis I figured it might be useful to put all the questions and answers in one topic to from the guide sticky. 1) Which Factions give out faction ships? Currently the following factions give out Faction Ships: Gallente Federation Caldari State Amarrian Empire Minmatar Republic Angel Cartel Serpentis Guristas Pirates Blood Raider Covenant Sanshas Nation The following factions do NOT give out faction ships: Ammatar Khanid Kingdom Intaki Syndicate Thukker Tribe Sisters of Eve Mordu's Legion Command Interbus ORE 2) How do I get a Faction ship? In order to get one of these ships youÆll need to work for an agent that works for a corporation who is part of a faction that is on the list above. For example: An agent working for the Gallente Senate will give out Gallente Faction ships. Any corporation within the factions mentioned above will give out the same faction ships. The fastest way of getting a faction ship is by working for a level 4 agent, since level 3's and below donÆt give quite as much loyalty points per mission. Once you reach a certain level of loyalty points your agent might offer you the ship. Your agent will randomly take an offer from the 10 offers that are closest to your current amount of loyalty points. Once you get the offer your agent will request something in return, this varies per offer but usually comes down to either: a normal ship + trade goods + and a Nexus chip or a Pirate Dog Tags. 3) What will agent want for the ship besides Loyalty Points? This varies per offer, there are 2 types of offers you can get. A: The æharderÆ offer which requires LPS + Dog Tags in exchange for a BPC, this type costs the least LPS. B: The æeasierÆ offer which requires LPS + Several Trade Goods a Tech I ship and a Nexus chip. B will cost you more Loyalty points but all of the items needed are fairly easy to find, offer A will require several hard to get Dog Tags, though searching in them for the trade channels/trade forums will usually get you the ones you need. For exact details per ship offer you can check out Hido's agent offers database. It contains most ships and items your agent will offer you. 4) Where do find these Nexus Chips? Please note that this section is a work in progress, finding info about these chips is quite a pain. Nexus chips can be gotten trough agent offers just like ships and items. There are 3 diffrent chips, one for Frigates, one for Cruiser and One for Battleships. The Gallente for example have: Gallente Alpha Nexus Chip - Battleships Gallente Beta Nexus Chip - Cruisers Gallente Gamma Nexus Chip - Frigates From what i found out you can get offer for the chips between the following LPS levels: 500-2.000 LPS - Frigate Chip 2.000-5.000 LPS - Cruiser Chip 5.000-10.000 LPS - Battleship Chip So far everything indicates all agents within a faction regardeless of their corporation or agent division will offer you the Nexus chips. Please note that any more information regarding the mount of LPS your chip costed is welcome, itll allow me to narrow down the exact amounts needed. 5) Why are T2 ships better then Faction ships? Faction ships can be compared to named items, theyÆre better then the T1 versions but canÆt match the T2Æs. Basically theyÆre ænamedÆ ships (Though some are better looking then T2 ships and have æuniqueÆ models). TheyÆre generally considered collectors items rather then real ships, mainly because only the Named Battleships can out perform normal battleships in the battlefield. (Until T2 Battleships come out) T2 Cruisers and Frigates will kick any faction ships ass. --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Sherkaner	Posted - 2005.03.18 15:21:00 - [3] Added to the top sticky P.S.: You might want to add ORE Syndicate to the list of factions not giving out faction ships forum rules \| [email protected]
Threat	Posted - 2005.03.18 15:24:00 - [4] Good post. We need to encourage more people to contribute to the agent offer DB. I myself am guilty of this as well. Any links to what missions/levels that contain some of the specific tags that are needed for the offers? Just an FYI i have found that level 2 mission rats seem to drop silver shadow/dread, etc tags alot more frequently than any other level mission.
Balbriggan	Posted - 2005.03.18 15:33:00 - [5] umm, does anyone know which ship you have to provide to get a pre build Nightmare, Machariel et al?
Zeromancer	Posted - 2005.03.18 16:03:00 - [6] Exellent writeup Joshua.
Zoon	Posted - 2005.03.18 16:22:00 - [7] You read my mind :D I was just about to start looking for this info as well :D I so want a Machariel. But since I am currently -3.5 with angel cartel I doubt that will ever happen :(
VortiK	Posted - 2005.03.18 16:26:00 - [8] Nice post, it will help more than one agent mission runner What is a life, devoid of strife ? Glorious Furture
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2005.03.18 16:35:00 - [9] Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 18/03/2005 16:43:29 Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Balbriggan umm, does anyone know which ship you have to provide to get a pre build Nightmare, Machariel et al? Most likely: Mach: Tempest (Since Arch Angels are Minmatar rats) Nightmare: Apocalypse (Being Amarr ratsies) Though im not 100% sure Pirate factions offer the Pre-Build option, i was actually wondering about this on my way home since pirates dont have nexus chips, which are part of the Trade goods you need for the Pre-Build version. Ore has also been added to the list, forgot that one Originally by: Zoon You read my mind :D I was just about to start looking for this info as well :D I so want a Machariel. But since I am currently -3.5 with angel cartel I doubt that will ever happen :( You could try to see if one of the 4 angel cartel corps will let you work for them. Killing Arch Angels will drop your Arch Angel (Corp) and Angel Cartel (Faction) standing but the Domination, Salvation and Guardian Angels should still be neutral to you. And since these 3 corps are part of the Angel Cartel those too offer the Mach --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2005.03.18 16:36:00 - [10] Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 18/03/2005 16:43:18 Whoopsie --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]

Lefia	Posted - 2005.03.18 17:09:00 - [11] Great post, I think it needs a small section on acquiring nexus chips though. It took me a bit of forum diving to find out the very little I know about them and would like to see some info on how best to acquire them. Originally by: hired goon ------------------------------------------------ I agree with every point and counter point that has been brought up in this and every other argument ever had. ---------
Zoon	Posted - 2005.03.18 20:30:00 - [12] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Zoon You read my mind :D I was just about to start looking for this info as well :D I so want a Machariel. But since I am currently -3.5 with angel cartel I doubt that will ever happen :( You could try to see if one of the 4 angel cartel corps will let you work for them. Killing Arch Angels will drop your Arch Angel (Corp) and Angel Cartel (Faction) standing but the Domination, Salvation and Guardian Angels should still be neutral to you. And since these 3 corps are part of the Angel Cartel those too offer the Mach Buuut since the faction hate me, the agents of corporations within the faction will inherit that faction standing towards me, just like corporations do for positive standing... unless it doesn't work the same way in reverse as it does forwards
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2005.03.18 21:05:00 - [13] The 5-run BPC for Faction Cruisers does exist, I've gotten it, I believe it cost 450k LP, IIRC.. ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2005.03.18 21:25:00 - [14] Originally by: Lefia Great post, I think it needs a small section on acquiring nexus chips though. It took me a bit of forum diving to find out the very little I know about them and would like to see some info on how best to acquire them. Good idea, im gonna look into that since i dont the exact requires for them. I recall agents give them out at several thousand lps? Originally by: Zoon Buuut since the faction hate me, the agents of corporations within the faction will inherit that faction standing towards me, just like corporations do for positive standing... unless it doesn't work the same way in reverse as it does forwards Well i havent tested but i always assumed that even if your faction standing was low you could still talk to corps in that faction who are neutral to you. Though you can easily check ingame by simply checking the list of Guardian Angel agents to see which can/cant use. I dont have any really low standinds so i cant check myself. Originally by: Jim Raynor The 5-run BPC for Faction Cruisers does exist, I've gotten it, I believe it cost 450k LP, IIRC.. Rgr that adding it to the list. --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
marioman	Posted - 2005.03.18 23:07:00 - [15] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain 4) Why are T2 ships better then Faction ships? Faction ships can be compared to named items, theyÆre better then the T1 versions but canÆt match the T2Æs. Basically theyÆre ænamedÆ ships (Though some are better looking then T2 ships and have æuniqueÆ models). TheyÆre generally considered collectors items rather then real ships, mainly because only the Named Battleships can out perform normal battleships in the battlefield. (Until T2 Battleships come out) T2 Cruisers and Frigates will kick any faction ships ass. Faction named items ARE better than tech 2 of the same item....FYI
Nero Scuro	Posted - 2005.03.18 23:42:00 - [16] Originally by: marioman Originally by: Joshua Foiritain 4) Why are T2 ships better then Faction ships? Faction ships can be compared to named items, theyÆre better then the T1 versions but canÆt match the T2Æs. Basically theyÆre ænamedÆ ships (Though some are better looking then T2 ships and have æuniqueÆ models). TheyÆre generally considered collectors items rather then real ships, mainly because only the Named Battleships can out perform normal battleships in the battlefield. (Until T2 Battleships come out) T2 Cruisers and Frigates will kick any faction ships ass. Faction named items ARE better than tech 2 of the same item....FYI He didn't say anything about the items. He said the faction SHIPS are worse than T2 versions, which is true. ---------------- Haha, stupid monkey! Now I'VE got the Oscar! Enjoy your worthless gun!
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2005.03.19 00:35:00 - [17] Originally by: marioman Originally by: Joshua Foiritain 4) Why are T2 ships better then Faction ships? Faction ships can be compared to named items, theyÆre better then the T1 versions but canÆt match the T2Æs. Basically theyÆre ænamedÆ ships (Though some are better looking then T2 ships and have æuniqueÆ models). TheyÆre generally considered collectors items rather then real ships, mainly because only the Named Battleships can out perform normal battleships in the battlefield. (Until T2 Battleships come out) T2 Cruisers and Frigates will kick any faction ships ass. Faction named items ARE better than tech 2 of the same item....FYI Named Item = Upgraded Tech I Officer item = T1 upgraded beyond T2. Faction ships = Named ships = Upgraded T1 ships below T2. Officer ships dont exist, though perhaps one day they might add something like "Salvador Sarpati's Customized Vindicator" --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
S'Daria	Posted - 2005.03.19 11:31:00 - [18] Thank you Joshua. /kiss
fairimear	Posted - 2005.03.19 11:51:00 - [19] sticky this omg. 1 point- we have no idea what t2 bs will be like. if they will be full hyped combat ships or have more support like bonuses for fleet combat so they don't step on the toes of dreadnaughts. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2005.03.19 12:04:00 - [20] Originally by: fairimear sticky this omg. 1 point- we have no idea what t2 bs will be like. if they will be full hyped combat ships or have more support like bonuses for fleet combat so they don't step on the toes of dreadnaughts. Well my guess is that theyll be like HAC's. And a Bs with base uber resistances = win --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]

Odet	Posted - 2005.03.23 20:03:00 - [21] josh do u know who owns the 2 luxury yachts? =This podding has been brought to you by Odet, the only way to fry.=
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2005.03.23 21:38:00 - [22] Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 23/03/2005 21:58:14 I know one of them is in a hangar of a banned player, and is thus sort of lost I think 'voogru' owns the 2nd one, or atleast owned. Hes been in Alaistra for 6 months so its possible he no longer plays eve. Edit: Some info about Nexus chips added, incomplete atm though gonna do some more forum scouting tommorow. --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Icarus Starkiller	Posted - 2005.03.24 02:33:00 - [23] Excellent information, Joshua. Have you any information or news on how these will be modified with the upcoming agent missions nerf/buff in the next patch? Currently missions have had reduced LPs, reduced loot drops, and there are serious considerations in reducing bounties as well returning mission running to its pre-exodus numbness. Just curious.
Seramis	Posted - 2005.03.24 09:29:00 - [24] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain ... 2) How do I get a Faction ship? In order to get one of these ships youÆll need to work for an agent that works for a corporation who is part of a faction that is on the list above. For example: An agent working for the Gallente Senate will give out Gallente Faction ships. Any corporation within the factions mentioned above will give out the same faction ships. ... This is not correct. I asked a developer if i can get a faction ship (I asked for the Navy Issue Raven) from every corp of the faction. Answer was NO. You have to work for the faction Navy agents!!! Otherwise you will get some ships offered (HAC, Assault Frig, Interceptors, all kind of tech 1 ships) but never a faction ship.
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2005.03.24 11:40:00 - [25] Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 24/03/2005 11:44:23 Originally by: Seramis Originally by: Joshua Foiritain ... 2) How do I get a Faction ship? In order to get one of these ships youÆll need to work for an agent that works for a corporation who is part of a faction that is on the list above. For example: An agent working for the Gallente Senate will give out Gallente Faction ships. Any corporation within the factions mentioned above will give out the same faction ships. ... This is not correct. I asked a developer if i can get a faction ship (I asked for the Navy Issue Raven) from every corp of the faction. Answer was NO. You have to work for the faction Navy agents!!! Otherwise you will get some ships offered (HAC, Assault Frig, Interceptors, all kind of tech 1 ships) but never a faction ship. I replied to you twice asking which developer said that, you never replied. Zrakor (The mission developer) also replied to your post stating you where wrong. + ive gotten Navy ships from non navy corps so i doubt im wrong Originally by: Zrakor Originally by: Seramis You get faction ships only from agents working for the Navy of the faction (Caldari Navy for Caldari, Amarr Navy for Amarr empire ...). For Pirate factions u have a 'trading' and a 'fighting' corp of the pirates (True Poer is the fighting, True Creations the trading/building part of Sansha's Nation for example). There only the fighting part gives out a faction ship. I asked a developer because i made also missions for a wrong corp of Caldari and wondered that i get no faction ship offer (was over 200k LP at the agent). Hmm, actually you can work for any corp of the appropriate faction. The faction ship offers are configured so that they are faction based, not corporation or division based. @Icarus, The only thing i know is that High Sec rewards will be going down because the forumla was broken at first. (And hopefully low sec rewards will go up ) Bounties will remain the same so there will be no real chance in profit. --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Lucre	Posted - 2005.03.24 11:47:00 - [26] Originally by: Sherkaner P.S.: You might want to add ORE Syndicate to the list of factions not giving out faction ships /me imagines faction large mining barge with extra high slot... Shame.
Sissi	Posted - 2005.03.24 11:55:00 - [27] Edited by: Sissi on 24/03/2005 11:56:14 Originally by: Seramis Originally by: Joshua Foiritain ... 2) How do I get a Faction ship? In order to get one of these ships youÆll need to work for an agent that works for a corporation who is part of a faction that is on the list above. For example: An agent working for the Gallente Senate will give out Gallente Faction ships. Any corporation within the factions mentioned above will give out the same faction ships. ... This is not correct. I asked a developer if i can get a faction ship (I asked for the Navy Issue Raven) from every corp of the faction. Answer was NO. You have to work for the faction Navy agents!!! Otherwise you will get some ships offered (HAC, Assault Frig, Interceptors, all kind of tech 1 ships) but never a faction ship. So could this be confirmed or overrun by GM's?
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2005.03.24 12:25:00 - [28] It has been confirmed by the developer who made the mission offers --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Zoon	Posted - 2005.03.28 10:54:00 - [29] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Zoon Buuut since the faction hate me, the agents of corporations within the faction will inherit that faction standing towards me, just like corporations do for positive standing... unless it doesn't work the same way in reverse as it does forwards Well i havent tested but i always assumed that even if your faction standing was low you could still talk to corps in that faction who are neutral to you. Though you can easily check ingame by simply checking the list of Guardian Angel agents to see which can/cant use. I dont have any really low standinds so i cant check myself. I checked, the faction standing inherits just as it does with positive standing. I can't even use level 1 -20 quality agents! lol!
Zeromancer	Posted - 2005.03.28 13:58:00 - [30] Ok. I have a confirmed Gallente Battleship chip offer from a guy i bought the chip from. He got it from a 8000 LP offer from a lvl3 Federation Administration agent in Luminaire. So it seems that you don't need to work for a agent from a Hightech corp to get it.



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