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Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
319
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Posted - 2011.10.01 15:59:00 -
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Trebor Daehdoow wrote:That said, it's also a douche move, and should be remembered next year during Election time.
If a significant portion of Hisec coordinated their voting, not only would Hisec get its fair share of delegates, but Mittens would lose his position as chair (assuming he decides to run again). I see you're starting your campaigning early. 84,000 AUR ($420) spent on NeX store for Troll and Profit. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
296
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Posted - 2011.10.01 16:01:00 -
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Trebor Daehdoow wrote: That said, it's also a douche move, and should be remembered next year during Election time.
Why is it more of a douche move than, for instance, invading someone's space? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor The Seventh Day
59
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Posted - 2011.10.01 16:05:00 -
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Trebor Daehdoow wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:I am impressed with the rest of the CSM's silence on this matter as well! Well done! It is good to see that Goonswarm and Pandemic CSM's have no other interests the then the bettering of EVE Online!  What Mittens and his goonies are doing is entirely within the bounds of acceptable gameplay in EVE. That said, it's also a douche move, and should be remembered next year during Election time. If a significant portion of Hisec coordinated their voting, not only would Hisec get its fair share of delegates, but Mittens would lose his position as chair (assuming he decides to run again). Also, if you believe that changes need to be made to the voting system for CSM, you should start a thread in Jita Park and agitate for them now.
As it stands, I have no idea how the "masses of empire" compare to the uncounted nullsec Multi-accounts used to buff voting numbers. Do you? Does anyone?
All I know is that 1 ISP and 1 credit card should get 1 vote.
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor The Seventh Day
59
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Posted - 2011.10.01 16:06:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Trebor Daehdoow wrote: That said, it's also a douche move, and should be remembered next year during Election time.
Why is it more of a douche move than, for instance, invading someone's space?
Perhaps the statement "ruin the economy of a broken game" may be giving it away? Maybe?  |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
296
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Posted - 2011.10.01 16:10:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Malcanis wrote:Trebor Daehdoow wrote: That said, it's also a douche move, and should be remembered next year during Election time.
Why is it more of a douche move than, for instance, invading someone's space? Perhaps the statement "ruin the economy of a broken game" may be giving it away? Maybe? 
Nope, I'm too dumb to work it out from a simple quote, I need you to spell it out for me. Please explain. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

Varesk
Maelstrom Crew
14
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Posted - 2011.10.01 16:12:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:I for one am glad that this is how our CSM's choose to spend their time!!!CSMs should be trying to **** on everyone in EVE and ruin the economy of a broken game right? Publically no less. I also like that our CSMs are abusing the macrobot feature in order to temp ban everyone mining in a mac. Also... I am impressed with the rest of the CSM's silence on this matter as well! Well done! It is good to see that Goonswarm and Pandemic CSM's have no other interests the then the bettering of EVE Online!  This is 100% your fault CCP. Fix the voting system.
wtf does the CSM have to with some people having fun in a video game?
NOTHING.
its a sand box game where you can do anything that is within the "guidelines" that CCP have set. They are not breaking any rules just ganking miners in high sec.
so, wtf is your problem?
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
297
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Posted - 2011.10.01 16:19:00 -
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[quote=Varesk]
In ET's mind, the CSM has something to do with what the players are allowed to do in game.
Perhaps he'd like to explain how changing the voting system would mean that the CSM could stop some market PvP? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor The Seventh Day
59
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Posted - 2011.10.01 16:21:00 -
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@ Maelstrom Crew
Do I need to say duh? Counsel of Stellar Management are meant to be our representatives for the bettering of ALL EVE Online. They should not want to "kill the economy" or "Abuse the macro-report feature" and they sure as hell should not be manipulating the vote via an obvious exploit.
They should be helping CCP
* Stabilize the economy. * Support any feature that helps remove macros from the game * Work towards a more fair CSM voting process that cannot be screwed over by the interests of Super-Alliances.
* Eternum wipes the drool from Maelstrom Crew's bottom lip. * Then dribbles it onto Malcanis' face. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
297
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Posted - 2011.10.01 16:22:00 -
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Oh wow
I meann wow Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

Sandwich PvP
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.01 16:22:00 -
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Mara Tessidar wrote:Dudicus Prime wrote:IGÇÖm also thinking it wise to keep an alt (out of fleet/corp) on hand in a pod next to the orca while in the belt. The orca can pop-out noob ships that the alt can immediately board and use to re-aggro and get CONCORD back in the belt as soon as its pulled away. Baiting CONCORD in such a manner is considered an exploit by CCP.
Lol, Goonies trying to claim an exploit....Priceless.
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Nephilius
Pillage and Plunder Salvage Co.
1
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Posted - 2011.10.01 16:25:00 -
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Relax, they probably just need that stuff for the intergalactic kegger they are getting ready to throw. It'll be ok. Make CQ and WiS an option, not a must.-á I don't play EvE for the toon spinning. |

Ispia Jaydrath
Reib Autonomous Industries
0
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Posted - 2011.10.01 16:25:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:@ Maelstrom Crew
Do I need to say duh? Counsel of Stellar Management are meant to be our representatives for the bettering of ALL EVE Online. They should not want to "kill the economy" or "Abuse the macro-report feature" and they sure as hell should not be manipulating the vote via an obvious exploit.
They should be helping CCP
* Stabilize the economy. * Support any feature that helps remove macros from the game * Work towards a more fair CSM voting process that cannot be screwed over by the interests of Super-Alliances.
* Eternum wipes the drool from Maelstrom Crew's bottom lip. * Then dribbles it onto Malcanis' face.
It sounds like you don't understand that "sandbox" means sometimes people do things you don't like. |

Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor The Seventh Day
59
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Posted - 2011.10.01 16:25:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Oh wow
I meann wow
U keep bitching but I don't you see you adding anything constructive one way or the other.
So you think CSM's declaring war on the economy of the very broken game they are elected to help fix is "ok". And, reporting every ice belt miner arbitrarily is also "good CSM behavior? "
Seriously?
@Ispia Jaydrath
Your stupidity astounds, how does CCP's business model benefit from a failed market? Do you think that either CCP or the general player base is interested in a collapsed market?
...Thus should the CSM's be? |

Hroya
2
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Posted - 2011.10.01 16:27:00 -
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CSM is a tool to give the playerbase a voice in ongoing game changes aswell as providing ccp with concerns from the playerbase on certain issue's
Granted that is an utopia statement but it doesnt discard the fact that the csm does indeed have the abillity to coop with ccp on game alterations. As with any institution it is subject to personall agenda's and corruption. Placing empire people in the csm wont change that.
Current activities going on like blowing up miners is well within the rules and is not a douche activity. The reply from the csm is appreciated from this end though, eventhough anything said here is subject to trolling or outright slander or might just fail to deliver any significant benfit to quell the uproar.
If their pimairy goal in this campaign is to disrupt the flow of ice products, it is well within their right to do so. It just isnt the issue really.
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Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
75
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Posted - 2011.10.01 16:27:00 -
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Ispia Jaydrath wrote:
It sounds like you don't understand that "sandbox" means sometimes people do things you don't like.
Not empty quoting this. |

Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor The Seventh Day
59
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Posted - 2011.10.01 16:29:00 -
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Blawrf McTaggart wrote:Ispia Jaydrath wrote:
It sounds like you don't understand that "sandbox" means sometimes people do things you don't like.
Not empty quoting this.
Your nose is huge!
CSM's are not general players, they are elected representatives. |

Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
58
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Posted - 2011.10.01 16:30:00 -
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Sandwich PvP wrote:Mara Tessidar wrote:Dudicus Prime wrote:IGÇÖm also thinking it wise to keep an alt (out of fleet/corp) on hand in a pod next to the orca while in the belt. The orca can pop-out noob ships that the alt can immediately board and use to re-aggro and get CONCORD back in the belt as soon as its pulled away. Baiting CONCORD in such a manner is considered an exploit by CCP. Lol, Goonies trying to claim an exploit....Priceless.
lol Why they dont remove CONCORD entirely if kiting CONCORD in the manner shown:
Quote:Cleaning up your own CONCORD spawn, so other people can make their own attack runs, is actually really easy. Dock at the closest station to the belt you just ganked in, then immediately undock in a newbie ship and don't move - simply drift for 30 seconds with your docking immunity. This will pull CONCORD to you, and since you have your docking immunity sentry guns will not kill you before CONCORD gets there. If multiple people participated in a gank, they should all do this at the same time.
Please make sure to clean up your own CONCORD spawns whenever possible: it makes life easier for everyone else and really isn't very difficult.
Quote:CLEARING OTHER PEOPLE'S CONCORD SPAWNS
Sometimes clever pubbies, or lazy goons, will leave a spawn in a belt. You need to get rid of that before you gank, or you'll be instagibbed when you gank (unless you're in a Galtpest).
Concord usually only spawns one fleet per system. Concord, once spawned, will travel from place to place dealing with anything that shoots something they shouldn't. That means you just need to summon CONCORD somewhere else: take a newbieship in an alt and plink something - a GSC, or the staging pos. Just don't do it near faction police or sentry guns, so you don't die before CONCORD gets there.
If two people gank at once, however, there will be two fleets. It appears that the closest spawn is the one that moves: ergo get closer to the spawn you want to move (nearby belt, nearby pos, whatever) than the one you don't, then summon it. If all else fails, use safespots just off-grid. Don't worry about CONCORD being close: they take a flat 6 seconds to warp regardless of distance.
Is legal an all good, theyre worthless lol They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
297
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Posted - 2011.10.01 16:31:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Malcanis wrote:Oh wow
I meann wow U keep bitching but I don't you see you adding anything constructive one way or the other. So you think CSM's declaring war are the economy of the very broken game they are elected to help fix is "ok". And, reporting every ice belt miner arbitrarily is also "good CSM behavior? " Seriously? @Ispia JaydrathYour stupidity astounds, how does CCP's business model benefit from a failed market? Do you think that either CCP or the general player base is interested in a collapsed market? ...Thus should the CSM's be?
Yep, I'm not only OK with it, I think it's an excellent idea. This is because I don't give 2 dried up rat turds for "stability" or "peacceful growth" in hi-sec's economy, but I absolutely love a dynamic, player-driven, conflict-driven exciting event changing things in the game.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor The Seventh Day
59
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Posted - 2011.10.01 16:33:00 -
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Malcanis, and we don't give a turn about you either. It's not your game it's CCP's and "ours" and the CSM's represent us.
So... meh. |

Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
58
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Posted - 2011.10.01 16:37:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:@Malcanis: and we don't give a turd about you either. It's not your game...it's CCP's and "ours", and the CSM's represent us.
So... meh.
The CSMs represent Mittani and Goonswarm as far as Ive seen. Unless youre them, they dont represent you.
They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |

Sandwich PvP
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.01 16:49:00 -
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This is within game mechanics, so I'm not sure why anyone is whining about this. Besides, people should think of it as a free pass for farming Goonies in highsec. Pad your kill stats and don't lose sec status...win, win for everyone....
I should mention it does ID whatever bots are in the belts too...pod mining ftw!  |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
297
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Posted - 2011.10.01 16:49:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:@Malcanis: and we don't give a turd about you either. It's not your game...it's CCP's and "ours", and the CSM's represent us.
So... meh.
Oh man, this keeps getting better.
Now it's your game but it's not mine. OK buddy, whatever you say. I'll be over here, in the real world where EVE is just as much "mine" as it is "yours". Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor The Seventh Day
59
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Posted - 2011.10.01 16:53:00 -
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That's right it is "our game" as in the ENTIRE community, and CCP's game.
We are not playing "Malcanis's vision online" LOL as much as I am sure that you would like that   |

Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
320
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Posted - 2011.10.01 16:56:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:They should be helping CCP
* Stabilize the economy. * Support any feature that helps remove macros from the game * Work towards a more fair CSM voting process that cannot be screwed over by the interests of Super-Alliances. I thought you said something about not ruining the game, yet you are above advocating ruining the game.
Doesn't seem logically consistent to me, as we all know that stability ruins fun. 84,000 AUR ($420) spent on NeX store for Troll and Profit. |

Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
120
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Posted - 2011.10.01 16:58:00 -
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One thing we have learned from this.
Removing or limiting high sec ice is a very bad idea.
BTW tengu prices have started to climb. |

Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor The Seventh Day
59
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Posted - 2011.10.01 17:00:00 -
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Rakshasa Taisab wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:They should be helping CCP
* Stabilize the economy. * Support any feature that helps remove macros from the game * Work towards a more fair CSM voting process that cannot be screwed over by the interests of Super-Alliances. I thought you said something about not ruining the game, yet you are above advocating ruining the game. Doesn't seem logically consistent to me, as we all know that stability ruins fun.
Sense... This time it really REALLY makes none 
How do bots, CSM manipulation and a unstable-collapsible economy better the game? |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
297
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Posted - 2011.10.01 17:01:00 -
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Obsidian Hawk wrote:One thing we have learned from this.
Removing or limiting high sec ice is a very bad idea.
BTW tengu prices have started to climb.
That seems like a large conclusion to publish on less than 24h of experimental data.
It also seems like you're making some unexamined assumptions, eg: that cheap ice products are good for the game. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

Gealbhan
2
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Posted - 2011.10.01 17:04:00 -
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If you got a problem with what anyone does in the game then go kick their behind. You can do that, you know. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
298
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Posted - 2011.10.01 17:09:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:That's right it is "our game" as in the ENTIRE community, and CCP's game. We are not playing "Malcanis's vision online" LOL as much as I am sure that you would like that  
We're playing "Malcanis' vision online" exactly to the extent that I can make that happen in game. Likewise, we're playing mittens vision to the extent that he can make that happen in game, and we're even playing your vision to the extent that you can make it happen in game. That's the whole point of the "sandbox".
It's not CCP's job to stop people you don't like doing things just because you don't want them to, still less is it within the CSM's remit. As long as mittens stays within the rules of the game (and he most definitely is in this matter), he's doing nothing wrong.
If you don't like what mittens is doing in game, that's your uncontested right. Just as much as it's your right to log in, organise some like-minded individuals and to try and stop him.
Of course, I realise that you're quite obviously so blinded by hate for him that you'll never accept this, and you'll reply with a bunch of moonlogic, but that doesn't change the facts of the matter.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

Griselllda Blanco
Disco Deviants
1
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Posted - 2011.10.01 17:10:00 -
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Sandbox.
Malcanis wrote: I absolutely love a dynamic, player-driven, conflict-driven exciting event changing things in the game.
QFT |
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