also many research towers run off of oxygen isotopes.

Wrong, most research tower is Caldari which consumes nitrogen isotopes. So if Goonswarm's intention is to hurt most research tower owners in highsec, then they're doing it wrong.

Who are goons ? And why there is plenty of posts/threads about them ?

Anyway if you dissagree with some group policy or intention to change the world to their acknowledged shape and flavor do something about it, dont write posts/threads on forums.

Duh.

Also, invest in Thoraxes and Brutixes.

Bots

Goonswarm has been unfairly characterized as bot-friendly, and we'ds like to counteract that. Basically all ice miners are bots. Report them after you kill them! This way, not only do you kill them, you get them temp-banned!

Why does that sound like a violation of the eula some place or against some rule?

IGÇÖm also thinking it wise to keep an alt (out of fleet/corp) on hand in a pod next to the orca while in the belt. The orca can pop-out noob ships that the alt can immediately board and use to re-aggro and get CONCORD back in the belt as soon as its pulled away.

Why does that sound like a violation of the eula some place or against some rule?

Baiting CONCORD in such a manner is considered an exploit by CCP.

Why does that sound like a violation of the eula some place or against some rule?

if they happen to find a bot (by using the characteristics noted in the post) then immediately reporting it is the right thing to do.

just goons being typical cowards.

I'm seeing a surprising lack of dead exhumers and CONCORD in Brapelille.

Typical Goons: so focussed on making ISK they don't think about how they're playing into their enemies strong points.

"Let's make a fortune selling super caps!"
"Oh crap! Where did DRF get all those supers?"

"Let's make a fortune short squeezing blue ice!"
"Oh crap! Where did DRF get all that ISK?"

/facepalm

I don't think this is about the DRF.

How could Goons use economic warfare vs the DRF when the DRF already control Technetium and the mineral supply?

I don't think this is about the DRF.

So... the Goons are doing something so there is a shortage of oxygen isotopes from Empire so the Russian RMTing oxygen isotopes in nullsec make a bigger fortune? Is that?

isnt this just the same as whats gonna happen when all ice is moved out of high sec anyway. cos you know ccp are dumb enough to do that right?

just goons being typical cowards.

And i cant wait for this to happen.
Finally all high sec icemining bots will become useless and that wonderfull activity is in the hands of reall players who are eager to spend their time mining ice.

It's good to see a move like this to further invigorate the excitement reall players are looking for in null sec.

No problem here if ice products become more expensive because i would know that it are genuine die hards sitting at their comps and mined the ice for hours on end.

Keep up the good work.

isnt this just the same as whats gonna happen when all ice is moved out of high sec anyway. cos you know ccp are dumb enough to do that right?

Aye, you've been smoking plenty of blunts...

CCP Greyscale has already stated that they are leaning towards not removing ice from high sec. They might match regeneration to demand, or they might do nothing.

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Shouldn't Goonswarm be carrying out such a plan to affect the DRF ?

Didn't want that space anyway?

Well sarcasm was in play, but i proberbly failed at that.

As to the ccp greyscale posts:

Empire ice depletes ( to match demand ... rrrright)
null sec ice doesnt deplete ?

Seems to be it's a more time consuming move towards monopolising that part of the market to the formeantioned bot cultures.
Instead of one big bang here you go have a nice day with your monopoly, you just leave a few chips behind for the scrubs to fight over he ?

Add to that the ongoing suicides on flimsy paperbag to expensive Fartinaws and you will get the same result.

You're not fixing anything, just making it worse.

Keep up the good work

yeh does seam that with what ccp plan to do is just making 0.0 mega alliances richer and ******* everyone else.

ccp should gank all their bots in return. show them how it feels to lose an important asset.

Natually, it's no good expecting the players to do anything themselves

Yeah like when they totally screwed hi-sec with the agent change.

What are they doing?
Ganking Mackinaws.

Why?
Because it somehow has some effect on all Tech 2 Productions

So what?
They think it will collapse the entire EVE economy.

Oh?
Yep.

So What do we do about it?
Hell if I know.

Where did you read about this?
Some website I can't link beings with a K though.

So you read something who cares?
Also a goon in recruitment told me about it.

Goons are idiots?
So are alot of people.

Do you like popcorn?
I like the sweet and salty kettle corn.

What is your favorite color?
Red.

Do you have any pets?
Yes, I have a cat.

Do you have a facebook?
I totally do and I want you to be my friend.

*moving t2 production to only be any good in 0.0, moving ice to only 0.0.


*not exactly the same as changing it so you need **** poor standings to get lv4's

isnt this just the same as whats gonna happen when all ice is moved out of high sec anyway. cos you know ccp are dumb enough to do that right?

Well I suppose the biggest difference is that one actually happened while the other didn't

you do know that bots stick to belts as it has a higher isk/hour. and that most mining bots are in 0.0 already right?

And are being run by Goonswarm cause they have that dont report goons bots policy.
It was in a thread the other day that got conveniently locked

And are being run by Goonswarm cause they have that dont report goons bots policy.
It was in a thread the other day that got conveniently locked

moving t2 production to only be any good in 0.0, moving ice to only 0.0.
not exactly the same as changing it so you need **** poor standings to get lv4's

CSMs should be trying to **** on everyone in EVE and ruin the economy of a broken game right? Publically no less. I also like that our CSMs are abusing the macrobot feature in order to temp ban everyone mining in a mac.

moving t2 production TO 0.0 as I understood the dev blog. not just "to be any good to 0.0"

you missed the word yet out.

the invetion t2 changes are in the outline of 0.0 changes. its on the whiteboard so it must be true.
the ice changes are also on there but are less likely to happen imo.

they are in every major sov holding allaince, even if that alliance has a zero tolerance to botting activity. yourll still find them as peopel will try to get away with it.

I suggest you read your own sig.

[quote=Eternum Praetorian]there was that one thread where Vile rat I think it was was quoted as telling ppl in Goons not to report goons botting or youll get kicked out lol

I for one am glad that this is how our CSM's choose to spend their time!!!



CSMs should be trying to **** on everyone in EVE and ruin the economy of a broken game right? Publically no less. I also like that our CSMs are abusing the macrobot feature in order to temp ban everyone mining in a mac.


Also...

I am impressed with the rest of the CSM's silence on this matter as well! Well done! It is good to see that Goonswarm and Pandemic CSM's have no other interests the then the bettering of EVE Online!




This is 100% your fault CCP.
Fix the voting system.

I was in Brap last night and was wondering why there were so many pods just sitting there. Some would occasionally warp out and back and just sit.

Kittenswarm is like chemo-therapy for the cancer of botting. Makes you crazy sick and miserable, but eventually removes the disease.

"We do not condone botting. We think it is destructive to the game. We tell people not to bot and strongly discourage it because it's stupid and easily caught, not to mention it cheapens the effort of players who play the game the way it was meant to be. We are also not CCP's policemen. It is not our job to police botting or EULA breaking activities in the game, this is CCP's job. CCP Sreegs is doing a wonderful job policing this and we support his actions. Asking a playerbase to police EULA infractions is dumb and it is not our place. There is a report bot mechanism, we encourage people to use it."

Its just like how hulkageddon was supposedly an anti-bot thing and was in fact for nothing more than *****-n-giggles an blowing up the carebears

This is exactly how the game should be played. I don't see where any 'fault' lies and why the CSM should have to play the game any differently than the rest of us.

You end up with CSM's that come from the largest nullsec alliances, all of whom have their own personal agenda's.

lol the only agenda here is "kill the game"
Looks like theyre no longer content to killing "your" game, looks like they want to kill THE game now

Well if you're bored and have the tools to do it, it's optional to go out with a bang. Nothing wrong with that.

Up to ccp to keep the masses entertained so the concept of killing THE game contrary to killing YOUR game isnt applicable.

I am impressed with the rest of the CSM's silence on this matter as well! Well done! It is good to see that Goonswarm and Pandemic CSM's have no other interests the then the bettering of EVE Online!

That said, it's also a douche move, and should be remembered next year during Election time.

If a significant portion of Hisec coordinated their voting, not only would Hisec get its fair share of delegates, but Mittens would lose his position as chair (assuming he decides to run again).

That said, it's also a douche move, and should be remembered next year during Election time.

What Mittens and his goonies are doing is entirely within the bounds of acceptable gameplay in EVE.

That said, it's also a douche move, and should be remembered next year during Election time.

If a significant portion of Hisec coordinated their voting, not only would Hisec get its fair share of delegates, but Mittens would lose his position as chair (assuming he decides to run again).

Also, if you believe that changes need to be made to the voting system for CSM, you should start a thread in Jita Park and agitate for them now.

Why is it more of a douche move than, for instance, invading someone's space?

Perhaps the statement "ruin the economy of a broken game" may be giving it away?
Maybe?

I for one am glad that this is how our CSM's choose to spend their time!!!



CSMs should be trying to **** on everyone in EVE and ruin the economy of a broken game right? Publically no less. I also like that our CSMs are abusing the macrobot feature in order to temp ban everyone mining in a mac.


Also...

I am impressed with the rest of the CSM's silence on this matter as well! Well done! It is good to see that Goonswarm and Pandemic CSM's have no other interests the then the bettering of EVE Online!




This is 100% your fault CCP.
Fix the voting system.

Baiting CONCORD in such a manner is considered an exploit by CCP.

@ Maelstrom Crew


Do I need to say duh?
Counsel of Stellar Management are meant to be our representatives for the bettering of ALL EVE Online. They should not want to "kill the economy" or "Abuse the macro-report feature" and they sure as hell should not be manipulating the vote via an obvious exploit.


They should be helping CCP

* Stabilize the economy.
* Support any feature that helps remove macros from the game
* Work towards a more fair CSM voting process that cannot be screwed over by the interests of Super-Alliances.




* Eternum wipes the drool from Maelstrom Crew's bottom lip.
* Then dribbles it onto Malcanis' face.

Oh wow


I meann wow

It sounds like you don't understand that "sandbox" means sometimes people do things you don't like.

Not empty quoting this.

Lol, Goonies trying to claim an exploit....Priceless.

Cleaning up your own CONCORD spawn, so other people can make their own attack runs, is actually really easy. Dock at the closest station to the belt you just ganked in, then immediately undock in a newbie ship and don't move - simply drift for 30 seconds with your docking immunity. This will pull CONCORD to you, and since you have your docking immunity sentry guns will not kill you before CONCORD gets there. If multiple people participated in a gank, they should all do this at the same time.

Please make sure to clean up your own CONCORD spawns whenever possible: it makes life easier for everyone else and really isn't very difficult.

CLEARING OTHER PEOPLE'S CONCORD SPAWNS

Sometimes clever pubbies, or lazy goons, will leave a spawn in a belt. You need to get rid of that before you gank, or you'll be instagibbed when you gank (unless you're in a Galtpest).

Concord usually only spawns one fleet per system. Concord, once spawned, will travel from place to place dealing with anything that shoots something they shouldn't. That means you just need to summon CONCORD somewhere else: take a newbieship in an alt and plink something - a GSC, or the staging pos. Just don't do it near faction police or sentry guns, so you don't die before CONCORD gets there.

If two people gank at once, however, there will be two fleets. It appears that the closest spawn is the one that moves: ergo get closer to the spawn you want to move (nearby belt, nearby pos, whatever) than the one you don't, then summon it. If all else fails, use safespots just off-grid. Don't worry about CONCORD being close: they take a flat 6 seconds to warp regardless of distance.

U keep bitching but I don't you see you adding anything constructive one way or the other.


So you think CSM's declaring war are the economy of the very broken game they are elected to help fix is "ok".
And, reporting every ice belt miner arbitrarily is also "good CSM behavior? "


Seriously?




@Ispia Jaydrath

Your stupidity astounds, how does CCP's business model benefit from a failed market?
Do you think that either CCP or the general player base is interested in a collapsed market?

...Thus should the CSM's be?

@Malcanis: and we don't give a turd about you either.
It's not your game...it's CCP's and "ours", and the CSM's represent us.


So... meh.

@Malcanis: and we don't give a turd about you either.
It's not your game...it's CCP's and "ours", and the CSM's represent us.


So... meh.

They should be helping CCP

* Stabilize the economy.
* Support any feature that helps remove macros from the game
* Work towards a more fair CSM voting process that cannot be screwed over by the interests of Super-Alliances.

I thought you said something about not ruining the game, yet you are above advocating ruining the game.

Doesn't seem logically consistent to me, as we all know that stability ruins fun.

One thing we have learned from this.

Removing or limiting high sec ice is a very bad idea.

BTW tengu prices have started to climb.

That's right it is "our game" as in the ENTIRE community, and CCP's game.

We are not playing "Malcanis's vision online" LOL as much as I am sure that you would like that

I absolutely love a dynamic, player-driven, conflict-driven exciting event changing things in the game.

They're not going after the research towers GÇö they're going after the reaction towers (Gallente = 100% silo bonus).

That seems like a large conclusion to publish on less than 24h of experimental data.

It also seems like you're making some unexamined assumptions, eg: that cheap ice products are good for the game.

As long as mittens stays within the rules of the game (and he most definitely is in this matter), he's doing nothing wrong.

Well, unless you interpret his statement "Basically all ice miners are bots. Report them after you kill them! This way, not only do you kill them, you get them temp-banned!" as a call to abuse the report bot mechanism.

Of course he could just be referring to the fact that ice mining is so totally dominated by bots at this moment that 99% of the people they suicide gank are bots.

One thing we have learned from this.

Removing or limiting high sec ice is a very bad idea.

BTW tengu prices have started to climb.

Little to no ice from highsec means the only other sources are low and nullsec belts...

cheaper ice products are good for lower t2 prices. the knock on effect of higher pos running costs are t2 items become more expensive. this was first proved when pi replaced npc pos fuel.

bumping the the price of just 1 of the 2 major reaction tower topes wont have the effect of making t2 prices higher, but bumping both will. if you bumped all types of topes that woudl have a major impact on not only t2 production but the movement of capitals across eve.

you could argue this point both ways depending on 'your eve view', although i tend to like low cost t2 items and cheap movement

I think higher priced T2 and slower capital movement would both be highly positive things for the game.

Because you're stupid and cannot read, I suppose. I don't see how reporting violations of the EULA is violating the EULA.

Before you sperg that wildly reporting everyone is wrong, there was a Jabber broadcast stating "Don't report everyone, you ******* idiots, just the 90% that sit there trying to mine in their pods."

lol the only agenda here is "kill the game"
Looks like theyre no longer content to killing "your" game, looks like they want to kill THE game now

@ Maelstrom Crew


Do I need to say duh?
Counsel of Stellar Management are meant to be our representatives for the bettering of ALL EVE Online. They should not want to "kill the economy" or "Abuse the macro-report feature" and they sure as hell should not be manipulating the vote via an obvious exploit.


They should be helping CCP

* Stabilize the economy.
* Support any feature that helps remove macros from the game
* Work towards a more fair CSM voting process that cannot be screwed over by the interests of Super-Alliances.




* Eternum wipes the drool from Maelstrom Crew's bottom lip.
* Then dribbles it onto Malcanis' face.

Malcanis twisting the truth like a true forum troll.
.

what are the possitive things that higher t2 items and higher cost travel would lead too?

Lol, looks like the Goons are struggling a bit now...The miners are fighting back with EC drones and shield bots.
This has all the makings of a halarious fail, time to farm Goonies before it's too late.

Go back to WoW you ****, obviously EVE is to hard for you to play.

Also, don't talk **** to Mal, as he is ten times the poster you will ever be.

The Mittens is a smart guy. He wouldn't be where he is if he was stupid. So he must know that you can't possibly create a monopoly out of something as accessible as ice. Sure, losing a brutix to kill a Mack can look all profitable and dettering on paper, but when miners will get their insured, tanked covetors instead, it will suddenly be a lot less profitable. Let them suicide their dominixes on those, it will cost them more to replace. And you won't need a huge increase of Oxytope prices to make covetor ice mining more profitable than last week's mackinaw mining.

No, Mittens must know he can't "break the market" and that it will result only in maybe a 3-5% increase in T2 ship prod cost. What he probably has done must be invest a ton of money last week to buy huge stocks of Oxytopes, and resell them now, making profits in the dozen of billions. And trolling the rest of Eve, which must flatter his ego.

Well played, Mittens, well played.

What truth did I "twist" exactly? That EVE is a sandbox? That mittens isn't breaking any rules?

Unsupported accusations mean nothing. Back up your assertions with fcts, analysis and a hypothesis. You're just slinging random insults at this stage. Calling people a "troll" because they're saying something you don't happen to like.

in all seriousness i can't stop ganking exhumers, it's addictive as hell

in all seriousness i can't stop ganking exhumers, it's addictive as hell

Lol, looks like the Goons are struggling a bit now...The miners are fighting back with EC drones and shield bots.
This has all the makings of a halarious fail, time to farm Goonies before it's too late.

we have bombers en route, never fear; we will protect the belts from the scourge of ice mining

~realpost~

I've blown up almost sixty exhumers since tuesday. 90% of them are bots. They sit there and try to mine in pods. Ice mining is probably the single most corrupt profession in EVE. Not like I care, we're not doing this for justice and truth, but to wreak havoc, inflict suffering and get money.

ganking bots is this what this topic was about?. i should report my own posts for being offtopic

in all seriousness i can't stop ganking exhumers, it's addictive as hell

What's funny is when the other CSM's post my bullshit-o-meter goes off the scale, am I however detecting a noble effort hidden discreetly beneath this CSM's sarcasm?

Our killboard is insane right now.

well thanks and all, but i think all of you are underestimating the simple raw sadism of your average goon

this has been tremendously fun; trying to destroy the galactic economy and get rich while doing it is a nice perk, but mostly it's about inflicting suffering en masse on people we dislike

How about reporting them for being terrible?

im not a member of goons or thier pets so im not allowed the terrible tag

i assure you it's not noble, when i said during the campaign that i'm a manipulative bastard and a sadist i wasn't kidding

people don't really seem to understand the whole sadist thing though, they blow it off as a joke or something, idk

IDK your alliance tag is pretty terrible

what are the possitive things that higher t2 items and higher cost travel would lead too?

Wrong, most research tower is Caldari which consumes nitrogen isotopes. So if Goonswarm's intention is to hurt most research tower owners in highsec, then they're doing it wrong.

Careful now, once you start trying to insinuate that players should do things for themselves instead of slinging random insults at the CSM or crying to CCP, then EP will know that you're a goon alt for sure.

lol, now there is no reason to be insulting, I'm just out watching the fun, and getting the occasional free Goon kill...it's all good.

Deranged Arguements.

Which is basically all of New Eden? Not a good way to guarantee long-term survival.

Which is basically all of New Eden? Not a good way to guarantee long-term survival.

Also, don't talk **** to Mal, as he is ten times the poster you will ever be.

As if shield bots and ecm drones will stop a brutix which can alpha a mack. Also, please learn to spell.




OMW, Oneiros are ****.

Only ten? You just made the list, buddy. The bad list.

If you want an inkling of nobility to be attached to your name as a CSM, maybe dipping into your ******* coffers to reimburse the REAL miners for their ship losses (not the mining resource losses) would be a nice move.

That's a good question.

Higher priced T2:
This leads to several positive effects.

(1) T2 is skill-intensive compared to meta 1-4. Cheap T2 means that T2 is the standard fitting, which means that players who have not yet accumulated the skills required find it relatively harder to compete. In a scenario where T2 is expensive and is therefore less commonly used, lower skilled players are comparitively advantaged.*

(2) More diversity in fittings. I'm just going to assert that this is ipso facto a good thing because diversity encourages creativity and novelty, both of which EVE needs like a hungry fat chick needs cake.

(3) Expensive T2 pulls up the value of meta items, which makes ratting more profitable, and which means that looting has a comparative advantage over (inflationary) blitzing.

Higher travel costs:
This leads to several positive effects.

(1) It encourages alliances to seek conflict closer to home, and penalises that "Nothing but blues for 40 jumps" factor.

(2) It adds a little more expense to the inevitable hotdrops.

(3) It encourages people to use supcaps rather than capitals.


*I am aware that this conflicts with my Law. Feel free to discuss the applicability in this situation.

i don't care about your morality or your views on right and wrong, i'm the leader of ******* goonswarm

people don't really seem to understand the whole sadist thing though, they blow it off as a joke or something, idk

Quoth the Mittens:
if you think we have a short attention span, you're an idiot with no view of either politics or power; you'd have to be blind or mira z

if you think we're doing this 'to make money' (though that is a nice side effect) or any other conspiratorial reason (supercaps! nullsec ice belts!) you're also an idiot. i suppose it's hard for people who are not griefers to believe that we truly just want to cause you pain, but really, that's it - we want to make people we dislike hurt. i have trouble going to bed at night now because there's always one more idiot in an exhumer that i could be murdering

i've noticed this same willfull blindness about the nature of grief in a surprising number of areas of eve and it's kind of frustrating to be so misunderstood ((((((

(2) More diversity in fittings. I'm just going to assert that this is ipso facto a good thing because diversity encourages creativity and novelty, both of which EVE needs like a hungry fat chick needs cake.

i wear two hats - on the one hand, i want the game to be better and for CCP to stop ******* things up. on the other hand,

anyway while you guys were posting i've killed 2x macks in the past ten minutes, one of which was t2 rigged, good times.

So what yer saying here is EVE doesnt need this? Cause a fat girls dont need MORE cake O.o

@ Maelstrom Crew


Do I need to say duh?
Counsel of Stellar Management are meant to be our representatives for the bettering of ALL EVE Online. They should not want to "kill the economy" or "Abuse the macro-report feature" and they sure as hell should not be manipulating the vote via an obvious exploit.


They should be helping CCP

* Stabilize the economy.
* Support any feature that helps remove macros from the game
* Work towards a more fair CSM voting process that cannot be screwed over by the interests of Super-Alliances.




* Eternum wipes the drool from Maelstrom Crew's bottom lip.
* Then dribbles it onto Malcanis' face.