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Liu Bei
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Posted - 2005.03.23 12:17:00 -
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Very good post. Signed.
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Dash Ripcock
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Posted - 2005.03.23 12:24:00 -
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Another thing that has been annoying me is the mass of some of the Cruisers/HACs, and the way it completely goes against what the Cruiser stands for. I am not going to get into anything over-complicated number-wise, but it turns out my Deimos is heavier than a Zealot.
Why is this? The Zealot is a mid-range ship, the Deimos close-range - surely it needs as much velocity as it can get? It takes so long to get up to speed sometimes that the target - even Battleships - has buggered off by the time they come into scrambling range.
This is true of the Thorax - the only way it can possibly hope to survive the onslaught of a larger ship is to get under its firing line, but it's so horribly sluggish, and its signature radius is so massively high with the MWD penalty, that the pilot often ends up sucking vacuum if the target was anything further than the length of a football pitch away.
Come to think of it, the MWD penalties - at the moment - don't make much sense. I can understand why they were put onto the smaller ships like Interceptors, but in their current state, Cruisers and Battleships using them have the sig radius of a space station, but are moving/turning at a fraction of the speed of a Frigate. It would appear that they had the idea for the Frigate MWDs, then standardised it across all the other ship classes without thinking of the ramifications.
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xenorx
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Posted - 2005.03.23 20:11:00 -
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Sad really that more ppl have not signed this. I think it really shows how few ppl really bother flying cruisers anymore. 
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MIstress Saki
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Posted - 2005.03.23 20:39:00 -
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Signed!
Another big handicap is the power grid. I fly only Armarr ship so have only experiences with them.
It is not possible to fit all weapon slot on the Maller (best Amarr cruiser) with the best weapons medium weapon available and have some grid left for other equipment. 5 heavy pulses are hard but to fit 5 heavy beams is impossible.
Its almost impossible for the BC!?
On the other hand the Apocalypse (best Amarr BS). I had no problems to fit 6 mega pulses and 2 sieges and lot of equipment. To fit tachyons is more problematic but in contrast to heavy beams, its easy.
Cruiser need more firepower, so give them the grid so they could fit their medium weapons! I donĘt even talk about the Omen.
I like cruisers and destroyers and I would fly them but the current game mechanics donĘt support it.
Maybe the situation of destroyers is much worse. Why to fly a frig killer when I have Torps or heavy Nos etc. This ship class is totally useless.
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xenorx
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Posted - 2005.03.23 20:53:00 -
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No argument here on a bit more grid. I have also seen a good post here on increasing warp speeds a bit as well. However, it is a bit off topic. I think the proposed changes here to agility and mass would go a long way to making the ship class useful again.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.03.23 20:58:00 -
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Told you so.
Not gonna cry tears now.
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akim
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Posted - 2005.03.23 21:09:00 -
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*puts on fake mustage*
signed
No realy. First time voter!
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Hellspawn666
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Posted - 2005.03.23 21:21:00 -
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signed i think its a completly fair idea it should give them too much of an advantage at least put it up for testing so we can see if itd be overpowering... i cant see the harm in that. MAKE CRUISERS A VIABLE OPTION FOR EXPERIANCED PVPERS AGAIN. Atm its just a mid step for noobs who cant afford the better ships..(blackbird not included well till the ewar nurf anyway)
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Crusher166
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Posted - 2005.03.23 21:24:00 -
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ur so right meridius
signed once and again for luck :)
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Alenas
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Posted - 2005.03.23 21:48:00 -
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Let me sign this - *signs* - aye CCP please improve cruisers and heaqvy assaults' agility.
Thanks :p
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Jack Soul
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Posted - 2005.03.23 23:06:00 -
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Signed.
Cruisers do need some help.
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Dakath
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Posted - 2005.03.23 23:38:00 -
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Signed.
This is an interesting and worthwhile idea. Battlecruisers should be included.
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MrFu
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Posted - 2005.03.24 02:09:00 -
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signed,I love cruisers,I use them as throw away cannon fodder that may kill something,but thats not right 
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Neptoone
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Posted - 2005.03.24 02:12:00 -
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Signed.
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keepiru
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Posted - 2005.03.24 02:41:00 -
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a n00b, and yet.
signed.
with no hope of seeing anything out of this
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Leshrac Shepherd
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Posted - 2005.03.24 04:38:00 -
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signed
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Cracken
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Posted - 2005.03.24 04:39:00 -
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also the weight added by the ab and mwd oversizing nerf adversly affects agility on the class they're designed for.
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Uggster
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Posted - 2005.03.24 04:43:00 -
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I too would like to be proud of the first ship I really wanted to get.
The Cruiser.
Signed.
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Meorir
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Posted - 2005.03.24 11:35:00 -
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Signed.
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Demon Johnson
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Posted - 2005.03.24 11:53:00 -
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signed!
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Brooke Esto
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Posted - 2005.03.24 12:23:00 -
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Signed.
Im guessing im in the minority here as i always fly a cruiser for pvp and pve, i love em :)
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.03.25 03:33:00 -
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Originally by: Dakath
This is an interesting and worthwhile idea. Battlecruisers should be included.
I just bougth a Ferox because of this thread...
It will remain in my hangar for now, but there is hope 
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Meridius
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Posted - 2005.03.25 06:51:00 -
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Originally by: Rivek
Can we get a dev response on this issue please?
35 pages more to go my friend 
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Rivek
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Posted - 2005.03.25 06:51:00 -
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Can we get a dev response on this issue please?
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Meridius
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Posted - 2005.03.25 06:55:00 -
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Edited by: Meridius on 25/03/2005 06:55:57
I just want to reiterate that this is not something that needs to be tweaked. It's mostly a numerical error that needs to be corrected.
Agility 0.975x needs to be changed to 0.750x
This is the first step that really is a no brainer because it puts cruiser agility between frigate/bs agility; the way it should be.
The only balancing part will be the individual cruiser mass adjustments as some of them are a lot heavier then the cruiser base mass then they should be (as compared to frig/bs over base mass)
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Arimas Talasko
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Posted - 2005.03.25 07:15:00 -
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SIgned 500 times
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JoeSomebody
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Posted - 2005.03.25 15:49:00 -
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bump for more sigs 
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NoNameNewbie
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Posted - 2005.03.25 16:59:00 -
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another "signed" from me in a threat, which has never seen a single dev watching it :-/
*signed* !
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Trader Klyde
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Posted - 2005.03.25 17:22:00 -
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Signed!
I used to fly my cruiser all the time before the AB/MWD changes made it a useless ship.
Very good suggestions on fixing the problems with cruiser class ships. 
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Nafri
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Posted - 2005.03.25 17:23:00 -
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well in my eyes the only way to make cruiser usable in combat is making large guns unable to hit them under their optimal range
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