FW is getting nerfed so you might want to wait until that is done...things might return to normal in null once the ISK spout has been turned off

There is no risk in gank! - This is the main problem of the risk part.

You get ganked, you can't do anything. Your enemy can run away, deep beyond 0.0 territory, hide in station forever and avoid any contact.

When there is risk of gank, there is no chance of pay back. This is why risk is only way - without consequences.

If you do something aweful an disband entire alliance and strip them of possesions, there is no risk as you can create another alt or have enough cash to buy as many characters as you wish. You can totally switch identities. Risk is totally anonymous.

The Rewards is diminishing - more people come for it, less each person gets. Everything in eve is limited except missions and ICE which are on demand and infinite.

Most of Null is taken and guarded, minerals, complexes, even belt rats are contested. Production slots, moons, even space navigation routes are camped and are extremely hard to take or use.

Most stupid stuff in EVE.

Low sec, 1000% risk missions. PVE fits are weak, PVP fits suck at PVE, you make so little money that it is not worthwhile to bring PvP guard. There is not enough reward to compensate BODYGUARDs, lost PVE ship. But risk is 100 higher than current reward.

Only way to make low MISSIONS viable - collapsible warp gate, a certain key that takes you to the mission deadspace, so that noone except your team can interfere in your mission. At least it is fair for the PVE pilot, he can still be ganked on gate or station. But not while he is busy.

Nerf highsec PvE into the ground tbh.

Nerf highsec PvE into the ground tbh.

Actually there's huge rewards in 0.0

Maybe everyone should leave and demand that their alliance leaders share the vast amounts of moon gold.

How is it the fault of design that "grunts" are willing to work as grunts?

This is the subject of a different topic. My alliance pays for all ships lost in combat which is a bill we fork out to the tune of almost 100 billion isk a month. Some alliances (such as mine) are good at sharing the riches, but I feel we're obligated since we ask our pilots to fight for us.

However, not all alliances see the same riches and space itself lacks value for the common member. The idea that all of null sec has the high value moons or that smaller alliances have access to these moons is ignorant. Most alliances who live in null sec struggle.

I believe alliance leaders could create incentives to induce more people to move there, if they were willing. To a degree the goons already did/do this for their members.

Simply put, if you threw ISK at people I'm sure there would be more in 0.0

I believe alliance leaders could create incentives to induce more people to move there, if they were willing. To a degree the goons already did/do this for their members.

Simply put, if you threw ISK at people I'm sure there would be more in 0.0

This will not change anything. Idiots will simply quit and search for another game
where they can get their worthless satisfaction.

I believe you didn't finish reading my post.

The important line was that most null sec alliances struggle. They have to tax their member corps or members by ways of docking fees or repair fees. Yes, I don't because we have tech and an abundance of R64 moons, but for most alliances, they're just getting by.

Solstice Project

good trolling

High rewards do matter, but risks that are 100 times greater prevent all attempts.

It is the ratio of risk to reward - if it was 1:10 to win 100 mill ISK - this is kind of reward people may want to try.

Today it is 1:100 to win 15 mill ISK. Contrast more than 60 times!!!

Low sec mission runners need to be protected while in mission pocket!

No they don't.

It's just that I'm not personally aware of any alliances that are struggling to the degree that they couldn't do more. But I'm not a 0.0 expert so I'll take your word for it.

Nerf highsec PvE into the ground tbh.

That would spell the end of Ice and low-end material deflation for good then, wouldn't it?

Solstice Project

good trolling

High rewards do matter, but risks that are 100 times greater prevent all attempts.

It is the ratio of risk to reward - if it was 1:10 to win 100 mill ISK - this is kind of reward people may want to try.

Today it is 1:100 to win 15 mill ISK. Contrast more than 60 times!!!

Low sec mission runners need to be protected while in mission pocket!

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My argument is the lack of income in null sec. It's in a very, very sad state.

You didn't make a point.

I've always heard how amazing null sec anoms were when I was a highsec bear. After dual boxing them in tengus myself, it turns out they aren't that amazing and I make much more doing lvl 4s with 1 character.

Granted, anom payout is very direct and simple, and what makes doing lvl 4s profitable (200m+/hr) involves more work, such as playing the market, trading, doing conversions etc and a pimped ship and faction standings to blitz (basically things other than actually doing the missions). However, the risk involved in HS is downright laughable compared to 0.0.

I think the risk vs reward is what this is about, null anoms just are not worth the risk compared to other income sources.

Moving into low/null isn't about how much you can gain, but about how much you can afford to lose.

If a high-sec player is flying a ship worth 50m and has worked hard for 3 days to acquire another 50m for their wallet, they aren't likely to risk losing their ship in low/null.

If a player is flying a ship worth 50m and has 500m in their wallet, they are far more likely to risk losing their ship for the greater reward. Giving players good rewards in high-sec actually encourages them to move into riskier parts of space. It also helps if they have other players encouraging them to move into null-sec. If null sec players want to complain about high sec players and carebears, perhaps they could do something about it by welcoming them into null sec instead of expecting them to fly solo into a hellish gank-fest that many new players perceive null-suc to be.