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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
Damu'Khonde
1900
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Posted - 2012.10.20 17:16:00 -
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As title. I'm noticing a lot of people having problems with AFK cloaking, but it seems a bit silly to me to be scared of a ship that is both AFK and that takes serious penalties for equipping a cloak (or is a Recon, so can't gank well).
So... what have AFK cloakers done to you, and why is that a problem that has to be fixed with mechanic/balance changes? (And what changes?)
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
5241
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Posted - 2012.10.20 17:20:00 -
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I remember when cloaks were first introduced, omg the change it made. It was awesome fyi.
/c
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Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
98
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Posted - 2012.10.20 17:22:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:As title. I'm noticing a lot of people having problems with AFK cloaking,
Doubt that there are "a lot". Many ppl in forums rage about cloaking. Some rage about others being afk. A few rage about both in combination. Overall there are thousands of players in EvE, afk haters & cloaking haters are like... 20? Maybe 50?
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James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp
3001
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Posted - 2012.10.20 17:25:00 -
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AFK cloaking interferes with botters in nullsec, as well as AFK/carebears in nullsec. The fact that those groups of people complain about AFK cloaking is very strong proof that AFK cloaking is a good thing! 
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
Damu'Khonde
1902
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Posted - 2012.10.20 17:29:00 -
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James 315 wrote:AFK cloaking interferes with botters in nullsec, as well as AFK/carebears in nullsec. The fact that those groups of people complain about AFK cloaking is very strong proof that AFK cloaking is a good thing!
Hm... aren't you opposed to all AFK play, which includes AFK cloaking?
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Arduemont
Lords 0f Justice
Fidelas Constans
473
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Posted - 2012.10.20 17:31:00 -
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I have never been killed by someone who came out of afk cloaked in our system. I have never even been in a system where one has killed someone. I have killed 2 in my time in nullsec.
I can't fathom why anyone thinks they're a problem. If they end up in your system, just move next door. If your too scared to move from one system to another then you shouldn't be out in nullsec. If they follow you into the new system you know they're not afk. In which case, chase them. |
Imports Plus
State War Academy
Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2012.10.20 17:33:00 -
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How am I supposed to mine in my RAGNAROK with a cloaker in system? He may have a cyno fitted with a gang nearby waiting to gank me!
It happens |
Opertone
Aurora Empire
Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
144
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Posted - 2012.10.20 17:34:00 -
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I am your afk cloak... when I raid your hostile space, I cloak in your sanctums, I ravage your safespots, I pierce through your wormholes, all in with combat scanner and afk cloak
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Tobiaz
Spacerats
701
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Posted - 2012.10.20 17:34:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:As title. I'm noticing a lot of people having problems with AFK cloaking, but it seems a bit silly to me to be scared of a ship that is both AFK and that takes serious penalties for equipping a cloak (or is a Recon, so can't gank well).
So... what have AFK cloakers done to you, and why is that a problem that has to be fixed with mechanic/balance changes? (And what changes?)
You noticed that, eh? Must have been the bazillion other threads about this topic. 
Anyway, it doesn't matter how much a cloak gimps your fit, all it need for ganking in null is a cyno beacon.
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
Damu'Khonde
1902
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Posted - 2012.10.20 17:37:00 -
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So... what I'm gathering is that, since cynos are the problem with AFK cloaking, then the problem rests with the strength and proliferation of capital/supercapital ships, not with the act of AFK cloaking itself.
Correct?
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baltec1
Bat Country
2497
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Posted - 2012.10.20 17:41:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Hm... aren't you opposed to all AFK play, which includes AFK cloaking?
Well, they arnt doing anything so technically they arnt playing so it should be fine. |
Darrian Sertan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.10.20 17:41:00 -
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I seem to remember reading in another thread a while back that being AFK was a valid form of game play.
Seems to me that playing the game would require being at the keyboard or cloaked if you don't want to be an overly tempting target.
The game is the same for everyone. However, not everyone plays the same. Some are sheep while others are wolves.
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Opertone
Aurora Empire
Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
144
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Posted - 2012.10.20 17:42:00 -
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Imports Plus wrote:How am I supposed to mine in my RAGNAROK with a cloaker in system? He may have a cyno fitted with a gang nearby waiting to gank me!
It happens
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Imports Plus
State War Academy
Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2012.10.20 17:42:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:So... what I'm gathering is that, since cynos are the problem with AFK cloaking, then the problem rests with the strength and proliferation of capital/supercapital ships, not with the act of AFK cloaking itself.
Correct?
If I am ratting my Archon I do not care about a single enemy in system. If that enemy can drop 3 Nyx's on my Archon then he becomes a problem. Does he or does he not have a cyno? Is he a covert cyno with a blops gang? I do not know... best to pos up aaaaaaaaaaahh! |
Elvis Fett
Autocannons Anonymous
Late Night Alliance
90
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Posted - 2012.10.20 17:43:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:James 315 wrote:AFK cloaking interferes with botters in nullsec, as well as AFK/carebears in nullsec. The fact that those groups of people complain about AFK cloaking is very strong proof that AFK cloaking is a good thing! Hm... aren't you opposed to all AFK play, which includes AFK cloaking?
AFK cloaking isn't play. I don't think even James thinks every body needs to sign out of new eden when ever not at the keyboard. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
Damu'Khonde
1902
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Posted - 2012.10.20 17:43:00 -
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Darrian Sertan wrote:The game is the same for everyone. However, not everyone plays the same. Some are sheep while others are wolves.
So who are the sheep in your lovely analogy?
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Darrian Sertan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2012.10.20 17:45:00 -
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Anyone not willing to protect or defend themselves. |
MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
622
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Posted - 2012.10.20 17:45:00 -
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i am a big fan of cloaking dont know why you have to be afk or is that just your assumption?
Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point?
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
Damu'Khonde
1903
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Posted - 2012.10.20 17:47:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:i am a big fan of cloaking dont know why you have to be afk or is that just your assumption?
She looks quite AFK in that picture to me. I think the cloak gets in the way or something.
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MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
622
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Posted - 2012.10.20 17:49:00 -
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Darrian Sertan wrote:The game is the same for everyone. However, not everyone plays the same. Some are sheep while others are wolves.
or you can be like me and be both...
its called a cyno mod never undock without one...
Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point?
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Spurty
V0LTA
Verge of Collapse
521
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Posted - 2012.10.20 17:57:00 -
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How do you KNOW they are afk?
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Astroniomix
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
280
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Posted - 2012.10.20 18:09:00 -
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Spurty wrote:How do you KNOW they are afk?
Because they aren't responding in local and BECAUSE I SAID SO! |
Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE
Initiative Mercenaries
209
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Posted - 2012.10.20 18:15:00 -
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They're not AFK, they're just pretending to be AFK because they can't think of anything cool to say. |
Karn Dulake
Sad Flutes
891
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Posted - 2012.10.20 18:17:00 -
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I fly a perfect Pilgrim in Russian space.
Why
because plexing with imminent supcap hotdrop makes the game for more exciting
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Jantunen the Infernal
O C C U P Y
33
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Posted - 2012.10.20 18:24:00 -
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The problem with AFK cloaking is the AFK part. If they actually had to be playing while camping a system it would be fine. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Imperial Guardians
795
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Posted - 2012.10.20 18:26:00 -
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AFK cloaker is afk and poses no threat to you.
End of story. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
Damu'Khonde
1908
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Posted - 2012.10.20 21:25:00 -
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Jantunen the Infernal wrote:The problem with AFK cloaking is the AFK part. If they actually had to be playing while camping a system it would be fine.
How do you camp a system when you're AFK and can't do anything?
I don't understand, how is AFK cloaking OP? Ed: can we have a comment from some AFK cloaker or something? If they're such a huge problem, they should be around.
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Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks
Executive Outcomes
227
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Posted - 2012.10.20 21:28:00 -
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AFK Cloaking is just a lame tactic. It's boring, predictable and a bit crap. It's a mechanic that shouldn't really exist.
On the other hand you can always just all move system, if the afk cloaker realises and follows you then all you need to do is move again then wait to kill him. Most the time they wont even realise for hours, in which case you probably wont even know they move.
So not matter how lame the tactic is I've never stopped ratting due to AFK cloakers because I move, so I'm not fussed about seeing it as a top priority. |
Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion
Fatal Ascension
1638
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Posted - 2012.10.20 21:31:00 -
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James 315 wrote:AFK cloaking interferes with botters in nullsec, as well as AFK/carebears in nullsec. The fact that those groups of people complain about AFK cloaking is very strong proof that AFK cloaking is a good thing!
I want cloaks to remove the pilot of the cloaked ship from local chat.
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Late Night Alliance
1013
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Posted - 2012.10.20 21:34:00 -
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inb4 AFK cloaker.
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