Just let me know when they are going to hit Amarrian Clear Icicle so I can stockpile !

Doesn't CCP realize this is making it almost impossible to mine Ice?

I have already lost TWO MACKINAWS!!!

I'm only posting on an alt so i don't get hunted down and killed AGAIN.

I am so tired of this.

How are we supposed to mine like this?


I hate those stupid goons.

Stockpile now, that way you are ready.

Heres a few suggestions to help you along your way.

1. Fight Back. get your buddys together suicide gank their freighters in jita,

2. It's only Ice it will be there when you decide to go back to it.

3. Join in on the Tech Moon War going on in Null to shoot goons.
Trust me its alot of fun. :))

4. Ok you lost two mackinaw's we all will give you sympathy, But will also tell you to suck it up princess.

5. get your noob arse out of highsec join a null alliance. that has gallant ice. :D

6. im mining ice now in null and no goons around to gank me. cause im in null :D
* on a side note i hope goons come to visit today, i wana kill more of their ships*

Doesn't CCP realize this is making it almost impossible to mine Ice?

I have already lost TWO MACKINAWS!!!

I'm only posting on an alt so i don't get hunted down and killed AGAIN.

I am so tired of this.

How are we supposed to mine like this?


I hate those stupid goons.

Doesn't CCP realize this is making it almost impossible to mine Ice?

I have already lost TWO MACKINAWS!!!

I'm only posting on an alt so i don't get hunted down and killed AGAIN.

I am so tired of this.

How are we supposed to mine like this?


I hate those stupid goons.

Doesn't CCP realize this is making it almost impossible to mine Ice?

I have already lost TWO MACKINAWS!!!

I'm only posting on an alt so i don't get hunted down and killed AGAIN.

I am so tired of this.

How are we supposed to mine like this?


I hate those stupid goons.

Don't expect much sympathy now with the buffed exhumers.

There are several options you can really use here :

• Fit a tank to your barge.
• Hire a mercenary corporation to escort and protect your mining group.
• Ask your friends or corpmates to fleet up and provide an escort for your mining group.

Your exposure is literally 5 seconds if you're not a scrub.

There are several options you can really use here :

• Fit a tank to your barge.
• Hire a mercenary corporation to escort and protect your mining group.
• Ask your friends or corpmates to fleet up and provide an escort for your mining group.

OMG ccp, why are you so against this man legitimate "playstyle" which is being able to mine Ice (every unit of which lowers the value of everyone Else's Ice) uninterrupted with zero tank, zero support, zero effort and zero friends in this multi (not single) player environment.

/sarcasm

I think I just summed up every single high sec dweller's argument in one sentence lol.

Nope. Just a few, tbh. That last sentence does nothing makes you appear foolish.

Wat is an ice interdiction. If u miners want to mine ice with no goon reprisal come to Rancer. We have daily mining ops cashing in on the gaylantte ice prices being high and never see a goon. Contact me ingame if u too want to make billions when goons mess with gaylantte ice.

Rancer. You will never see a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.

Rancer. You will never see a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.

Fortes fortuna adiuvat - Fortune favours the brave.

So good of a newly minted member of CCP to display his knowledge of game mechanics so well.

Pray tell, how does a "merc corp" protect against suicide gankers?
Until Crimewatch kicks in, a ganker will be able to suicide a ship, and nothing can be done to stop it.

Let's look at some math, shall we?
Try to keep up.

A Mackinaw, fully tricked out, has a tank of 49K, if the Mack pilot has an implant in slot 7.
Add on a fully skilled Vulture pilot in the SC or WC position, and you push that tank to 66K.
And against kin/therm, we can even say that tank is 71K.

Now then, a Catalyst has a tricked out DPS of 676, with implants in slot 6 and 9.
That ship fully fitted is a little less than 5M.
Given that pods don't get Concorded, there is zero risk atm for suicide pilot's clones.
And please don't talk about someone suiciding their own ship to pop a pod. That will just further make you look dumb.

So along comes a squad of say, 10 Cat's. They will pump out combined DPS of 8 x 676 = 6760
Let's round that down to 6500

That means the Mackinaw, with a tank of 71K, evaporates in 11 seconds
Given how easily Concord can be fooled to move to another location in a system by someone suiciding in a rookie ship in system, that means the Mack is toast in 05, 0.6, and 0.7 space, for certain.
In 0.8 and above space, it is iffy.

That is a cost of 10 catalysts at 5 M each = 50M, and the loss of the Mack, plus mods, plus rigs, is over 200M.
And when the suicide gankers' alts scoop the debris, the losses are so much lower.

So let's say the miners somehow scrape the coin together to hire a merc corp.
Let's say the mercs send out boats to alpha the 10 Cat's when they go red.
The merc's are going to need a minimum of 5 alpha ships sitting there with the miners, manned constantly, to ensure the safety of the miners.

Precisely how much is that going to cost?
And it gets better. What happens if the suicide gankers bring 20 Catalysts? Total cost is still only 100M for them, for a 200M kill.

In summary, I can understand the null sec zealots and professional griefers making the same old "fit a tank, hire merc' lines, but a member of CCP???
Unless, of course, you are a null sec zealot

Be brave, give up the isk/hr and fit a decent tank and you'll have more of a chance to stay alive. And can reminisce with your corp buddies of the failed ganks on your mining ship.

There are several options you can really use here :

• Fit a tank to your barge.
• Hire a mercenary corporation to escort and protect your mining group.
• Ask your friends or corpmates to fleet up and provide an escort for your mining group.

Doesn't CCP realize this is making it almost impossible to mine Ice?

I have already lost TWO MACKINAWS!!!

I'm only posting on an alt so i don't get hunted down and killed AGAIN.

I am so tired of this.

How are we supposed to mine like this?


I hate those stupid goons.

So good of a newly minted member of CCP to display his knowledge of game mechanics so well.

Pray tell, how does a "merc corp" protect against suicide gankers?
Until Crimewatch kicks in, a ganker will be able to suicide a ship, and nothing can be done to stop it.

Let's look at some math, shall we?
Try to keep up.

A Mackinaw, fully tricked out, has a tank of 49K, if the Mack pilot has an implant in slot 7.
Add on a fully skilled Vulture pilot in the SC or WC position, and you push that tank to 66K.
And against kin/therm, we can even say that tank is 71K.

Now then, a Catalyst has a tricked out DPS of 676, with implants in slot 6 and 9.
That ship fully fitted is a little less than 5M.
Given that pods don't get Concorded, there is zero risk atm for suicide pilot's clones.
And please don't talk about someone suiciding their own ship to pop a pod. That will just further make you look dumb.

So along comes a squad of say, 10 Cat's. They will pump out combined DPS of 8 x 676 = 6760
Let's round that down to 6500

That means the Mackinaw, with a tank of 71K, evaporates in 11 seconds
Given how easily Concord can be fooled to move to another location in a system by someone suiciding in a rookie ship in system, that means the Mack is toast in 05, 0.6, and 0.7 space, for certain.
In 0.8 and above space, it is iffy.

That is a cost of 10 catalysts at 5 M each = 50M, and the loss of the Mack, plus mods, plus rigs, is over 200M.
And when the suicide gankers' alts scoop the debris, the losses are so much lower.

So let's say the miners somehow scrape the coin together to hire a merc corp.
Let's say the mercs send out boats to alpha the 10 Cat's when they go red.
The merc's are going to need a minimum of 5 alpha ships sitting there with the miners, manned constantly, to ensure the safety of the miners.

Precisely how much is that going to cost?
And it gets better. What happens if the suicide gankers bring 20 Catalysts? Total cost is still only 100M for them, for a 200M kill.

In summary, I can understand the null sec zealots and professional griefers making the same old "fit a tank, hire merc' lines, but a member of CCP???
Unless, of course, you are a null sec zealot

That's an awful lot of words from someone who's never heard of a logistics ship.

There are several options you can really use here :

• Fit a tank to your barge.
• Hire a mercenary corporation to escort and protect your mining group.
• Ask your friends or corpmates to fleet up and provide an escort for your mining group.