Doesn't CCP realize this is making it almost impossible to mine Ice?

I have already lost TWO MACKINAWS!!!

I'm only posting on an alt so i don't get hunted down and killed AGAIN.

I am so tired of this.

How are we supposed to mine like this?


I hate those stupid goons.

I'm only posting on an alt so i don't get hunted down and killed AGAIN.

Goon alt detected. ib4l

Not getting the reaction they wanted perhaps?

Solitude if you want Gallente Ice or you can just change Regions and mine some other Ice or you can mine minerals for awhile and switch back when they get bored.

You could also watch local , and not mine AFK.

Maybe he's mocking them?

Doesn't CCP realize this is making it almost impossible to mine Ice?

I have already lost TWO MACKINAWS!!!

I'm only posting on an alt so i don't get hunted down and killed AGAIN.

I am so tired of this.

How are we supposed to mine like this?


I hate those stupid goons.

Solitude if you want Gallente Ice or you can just change Regions and mine some other Ice or you can mine minerals for awhile and switch back when they get bored.

You could also watch local , and not mine AFK.

Goon alt detected.

See, there's the problem. That's assuming reason is involved. That's assuming people learn from their mistakes.

Wait... What is this "learn from your mistakes" mantra you are spewing?

*Walks away, shaking his head and muttering*

What is with these New Age psychobable people these days....

... or he's posting on a different alt after discovering his drones were not to blame.

Posting an alt won't save you, if you're in an ice belt you are fair game for both ganking & bumping. I thought that everybody had gotten the memo, it's open season on ice miners

Welcome to economic warfare.

You could also watch local , and not mine AFK.

Doesn't CCP realize this is making it almost impossible to mine Ice?

I have already lost TWO MACKINAWS!!!

I'm only posting on an alt so i don't get hunted down and killed AGAIN.

I am so tired of this.

How are we supposed to mine like this?


I hate those stupid goons.

Defending AFK carebearing as a playstyle is shameful. People who play that way should be blown up.

Half of this game is AFK mode. You train skills offline for god sakes.

Defending AFK carebearing as a playstyle is shameful. People who play that way should be blown up.

You should be blown up.

Doesn't CCP realize this is making it almost impossible to mine Ice?

I have already lost TWO MACKINAWS!!!

I'm only posting on an alt so i don't get hunted down and killed AGAIN.

I am so tired of this.

How are we supposed to mine like this?


I hate those stupid goons.

I have already lost TWO MACKINAWS!!!

Doesn't CCP realize this is making it almost impossible to mine Ice?

I have already lost TWO MACKINAWS!!!

I'm only posting on an alt so i don't get hunted down and killed AGAIN.

I am so tired of this.

How are we supposed to mine like this?


I hate those stupid goons.

Half of this game is AFK mode. You train skills offline for god sakes.

Don't expect much sympathy now with the buffed exhumers.

You see gaining skillpoints as "half the game"?

Then you get guys fitting extra cargo expanders and trying to make up with civilian boosters.

Doesn't CCP realize this is making it almost impossible to mine Ice?

I have already lost TWO MACKINAWS!!!

I'm only posting on an alt so i don't get hunted down and killed AGAIN.

I am so tired of this.

How are we supposed to mine like this?


I hate those stupid goons.

tl;dr CCP can't fix stupid.

We told them that but they tried anyway.

Learn to tank and learn to live in hisec like its losec.

EVE has intrusion countermeasures now? Is it black or grey? What's the attack and spoof rating of your deck?

Half of this game is AFK mode. You train skills offline for god sakes.

Doesn't CCP realize this is making it almost impossible to mine Ice?

I have already lost TWO MACKINAWS!!!

I'm only posting on an alt so i don't get hunted down and killed AGAIN.

I am so tired of this.

How are we supposed to mine like this?


I hate those stupid goons.

Agreed.

Other AFK methods of making ISK:

1. Station Trading.
2. R&D on BPO's/BPC's.
3. Manufacturing
4. Moon mining
5. PI

To suggest that one form of AFK ISK generation is any better or worse than another is absolutely ludicrous.

But since the null sec alliances depend on at least 2 of the 5 above, there will never be propaganda campaigns against the items listed.

BTW, currently I have 3 cap BPO's sitting in a station, a LOW SEC station. They are being copied.
When they are done, I will have 3 cap ship BPC's worth around 160-180M, depending on market prices.

Taking into the amount of copy time at a station, I am earning a profit of about 3-4 M /day, and I don't even have to log on to earn that, let alone go AFK.

So I guess we should wipe out BPC copying as well. Or rather, force someone to stare at their BPO's for 23.5 hours a day, for 45 days straight.

Null sec whine bears are a cancer of this game.

There are several options you can really use here :

• Fit a tank to your barge.
• Hire a mercenary corporation to escort and protect your mining group.
• Ask my friends to increase barge HP.

There are several options you can really use here :

There are several options you can really use here :

• Fit a tank to your barge.
• Hire a mercenary corporation to escort and protect your mining group.
• Ask your friends or corpmates to fleet up and provide an escort for your mining group.

There are several options you can really use here :

• Fit a tank to your barge.
• Hire a mercenary corporation to escort and protect your mining group.
• Ask your friends or corpmates to fleet up and provide an escort for your mining group.

You dont do any of those activities in a ship.

And we care why?
Yet another utterly unrelated, moronic post by a goon ganker.

AFK income is AFK income.
There is no differentiation.

There are several options you can really use here :

• Fit a tank to your barge.
• Hire a mercenary corporation to escort and protect your mining group.
• Ask your friends or corpmates to fleet up and provide an escort for your mining group.

The difference is to do mining you have to undock your ship and do things in space. Everything that undocks is fair game. Going AFK in a ship with no tank can result in bad things happening.

Try thinking before sperging again.

Nice effort, but your logic is total fail.

Goon alt detected. ib4l

Or go back to his Goon alt and blow himself up for the 3rd time.

That's how ya know it's a Goon alt.

But you know. Goon alt or stupid miner? Odds are pretty even for picking the stupidest.

Unless, of course, you are a null sec zealot

10 catalyst will not burn through 71k of t2 resits in 10 seconds.



Explain.

1. PI IS DONE IN A SHIP. You have to be at the orbital platform, IN SPACE, to do it. So FAIL #1.

2. To actually move stuff around in moon mining, like starting and stopping the process, emptying the silos', require someone IN SPACE, even in in a pod. So FAIL #2.

3. BPO research and manufacturing is also done at POS's. Guess what, they are IN SPACE. If you have enough gankers, you can actually take down a POS before Concord arrives. If all the goons got together in Tornado's, many many high sec POS's could be suicide ganked. Suiciding a POS when compared to suiciding a ship is only a matter of scale. So FAIL #3.

EVE has intrusion countermeasures now? Is it black or grey? What's the attack and spoof rating of your deck?

None of this will save you from getting bumped!

So good of a newly minted member of CCP to display his knowledge of game mechanics so well.

Pray tell, how does a "merc corp" protect against suicide gankers?
Until Crimewatch kicks in, a ganker will be able to suicide a ship, and nothing can be done to stop it.

Let's look at some math, shall we?
Try to keep up.

A Mackinaw, fully tricked out, has a tank of 49K, if the Mack pilot has an implant in slot 7.
Add on a fully skilled Vulture pilot in the SC or WC position, and you push that tank to 66K.
And against kin/therm, we can even say that tank is 71K.

Now then, a Catalyst has a tricked out DPS of 676, with implants in slot 6 and 9.
That ship fully fitted is a little less than 5M.
Given that pods don't get Concorded, there is zero risk atm for suicide pilot's clones.
And please don't talk about someone suiciding their own ship to pop a pod. That will just further make you look dumb.

So along comes a squad of say, 10 Cat's. They will pump out combined DPS of 8 x 676 = 6760
Let's round that down to 6500

That means the Mackinaw, with a tank of 71K, evaporates in 11 seconds
Given how easily Concord can be fooled to move to another location in a system by someone suiciding in a rookie ship in system, that means the Mack is toast in 05, 0.6, and 0.7 space, for certain.
In 0.8 and above space, it is iffy.

That is a cost of 10 catalysts at 5 M each = 50M, and the loss of the Mack, plus mods, plus rigs, is over 200M.
And when the suicide gankers' alts scoop the debris, the losses are so much lower.

So let's say the miners somehow scrape the coin together to hire a merc corp.
Let's say the mercs send out boats to alpha the 10 Cat's when they go red.
The merc's are going to need a minimum of 5 alpha ships sitting there with the miners, manned constantly, to ensure the safety of the miners.

Precisely how much is that going to cost?
And it gets better. What happens if the suicide gankers bring 20 Catalysts? Total cost is still only 100M for them, for a 200M kill.

In summary, I can understand the null sec zealots and professional griefers making the same old "fit a tank, hire merc' lines, but a member of CCP???
Unless, of course, you are a null sec zealot

Given how you can't do simple math, there is no point in trying to explain anything to you.

1. PI IS DONE IN A SHIP. You have to be at the orbital platform, IN SPACE, to do it. So FAIL #1.

2. To actually move stuff around in moon mining, like starting and stopping the process, emptying the silos', require someone IN SPACE, even in in a pod. So FAIL #2.

3. BPO research and manufacturing is also done at POS's. Guess what, they are IN SPACE. If you have enough gankers, you can actually take down a POS before Concord arrives. If all the goons got together in Tornado's, many many high sec POS's could be suicide ganked. Suiciding a POS when compared to suiciding a ship is only a matter of scale. So FAIL #3.

Man, I can't wait until Crimewatch kicks in and slows you guys down some. It won't stop you, but it might hurt you a little.

There are several options you can really use here :

• Fit a tank to your barge.
• Hire a mercenary corporation to escort and protect your mining group.
• Ask your friends or corpmates to fleet up and provide an escort for your mining group.

GRRRRR GOOOONS!!!!!!!

You obviously missed the part where I was joking.

Your warface don't scare me.

Work on it.

How are you Angry 23 times? ^_^

One time offer on Hugs.

So good of a newly minted member of CCP to display his knowledge of game mechanics so well.

This is not the like and get liked thread, take that somewhere else please.

The ice interdiction's annoying me.

But that's just because I can't be bothered anchoring a new tower.

Like anyone at all sensible, I've already taken measures to even out price bumps.

Appropriate response to the OP: HTFU

[Mackinaw, Mackinaw fit]

Damage Control II
Reactor Control Unit II
Power Diagnostic System II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Medium Shield Extender II
EM Ward Field II

Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I


Mining Drone I x5
Hobgoblin II x5


43k ehp, resist 82/73/80/83

[Procurer, Anti Goon's]
Damage Control II
Mark I Generator Refitting: Diagnostic System

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Medium Shield Extender II

Ice Harvester II

Medium Ice Harvester Accelerator I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Hobgoblin I x5

83 000 EHP

[Orca, Anti Goon's]
Damage Control II
Reinforced Bulkheads II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
EM Ward Field II

Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization I
Mining Foreman Link - Mining Laser Field Enhancement I
Small Tractor Beam I

Large Cargohold Optimization I
Large Cargohold Optimization I
Large Cargohold Optimization I


Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5

250 K EHP, 140 000 m3

Doesn't CCP realize this is making it almost impossible to mine Ice?

I have already lost TWO MACKINAWS!!!

I'm only posting on an alt so i don't get hunted down and killed AGAIN.

I am so tired of this.

How are we supposed to mine like this?


I hate those stupid goons.

There isn't much money in Ice anyway, market is way too diluted with supply.

So good of a newly minted member of CCP to display his knowledge of game mechanics so well.

Pray tell, how does a "merc corp" protect against suicide gankers?
Until Crimewatch kicks in, a ganker will be able to suicide a ship, and nothing can be done to stop it.

Let's look at some math, shall we?
Try to keep up.

A Mackinaw, fully tricked out, has a tank of 49K, if the Mack pilot has an implant in slot 7.
Add on a fully skilled Vulture pilot in the SC or WC position, and you push that tank to 66K.
And against kin/therm, we can even say that tank is 71K.

Now then, a Catalyst has a tricked out DPS of 676, with implants in slot 6 and 9.
That ship fully fitted is a little less than 5M.
Given that pods don't get Concorded, there is zero risk atm for suicide pilot's clones.
And please don't talk about someone suiciding their own ship to pop a pod. That will just further make you look dumb.

So along comes a squad of say, 10 Cat's. They will pump out combined DPS of 8 x 676 = 6760
Let's round that down to 6500

That means the Mackinaw, with a tank of 71K, evaporates in 11 seconds
Given how easily Concord can be fooled to move to another location in a system by someone suiciding in a rookie ship in system, that means the Mack is toast in 05, 0.6, and 0.7 space, for certain.
In 0.8 and above space, it is iffy.

That is a cost of 10 catalysts at 5 M each = 50M, and the loss of the Mack, plus mods, plus rigs, is over 200M.
And when the suicide gankers' alts scoop the debris, the losses are so much lower.

So let's say the miners somehow scrape the coin together to hire a merc corp.
Let's say the mercs send out boats to alpha the 10 Cat's when they go red.
The merc's are going to need a minimum of 5 alpha ships sitting there with the miners, manned constantly, to ensure the safety of the miners.

Precisely how much is that going to cost?
And it gets better. What happens if the suicide gankers bring 20 Catalysts? Total cost is still only 100M for them, for a 200M kill.

In summary, I can understand the null sec zealots and professional griefers making the same old "fit a tank, hire merc' lines, but a member of CCP???
Unless, of course, you are a null sec zealot

There isn't much money in Ice anyway, market is way too diluted with supply.

A problem we are trying to fix once again.

A problem we are trying to fix once again.

Just let me know when they are going to hit Amarrian Clear Icicle so I can stockpile !

Doesn't CCP realize this is making it almost impossible to mine Ice?

I have already lost TWO MACKINAWS!!!

I'm only posting on an alt so i don't get hunted down and killed AGAIN.

I am so tired of this.

How are we supposed to mine like this?


I hate those stupid goons.

Stockpile now, that way you are ready.

Heres a few suggestions to help you along your way.

1. Fight Back. get your buddys together suicide gank their freighters in jita,

2. It's only Ice it will be there when you decide to go back to it.

3. Join in on the Tech Moon War going on in Null to shoot goons.
Trust me its alot of fun. :))

4. Ok you lost two mackinaw's we all will give you sympathy, But will also tell you to suck it up princess.

5. get your noob arse out of highsec join a null alliance. that has gallant ice. :D

6. im mining ice now in null and no goons around to gank me. cause im in null :D
* on a side note i hope goons come to visit today, i wana kill more of their ships*

Doesn't CCP realize this is making it almost impossible to mine Ice?

I have already lost TWO MACKINAWS!!!

I'm only posting on an alt so i don't get hunted down and killed AGAIN.

I am so tired of this.

How are we supposed to mine like this?


I hate those stupid goons.

Doesn't CCP realize this is making it almost impossible to mine Ice?

I have already lost TWO MACKINAWS!!!

I'm only posting on an alt so i don't get hunted down and killed AGAIN.

I am so tired of this.

How are we supposed to mine like this?


I hate those stupid goons.

Doesn't CCP realize this is making it almost impossible to mine Ice?

I have already lost TWO MACKINAWS!!!

I'm only posting on an alt so i don't get hunted down and killed AGAIN.

I am so tired of this.

How are we supposed to mine like this?


I hate those stupid goons.

Don't expect much sympathy now with the buffed exhumers.

There are several options you can really use here :

• Fit a tank to your barge.
• Hire a mercenary corporation to escort and protect your mining group.
• Ask your friends or corpmates to fleet up and provide an escort for your mining group.

Your exposure is literally 5 seconds if you're not a scrub.

There are several options you can really use here :

• Fit a tank to your barge.
• Hire a mercenary corporation to escort and protect your mining group.
• Ask your friends or corpmates to fleet up and provide an escort for your mining group.

OMG ccp, why are you so against this man legitimate "playstyle" which is being able to mine Ice (every unit of which lowers the value of everyone Else's Ice) uninterrupted with zero tank, zero support, zero effort and zero friends in this multi (not single) player environment.

/sarcasm

I think I just summed up every single high sec dweller's argument in one sentence lol.

Nope. Just a few, tbh. That last sentence does nothing makes you appear foolish.

Wat is an ice interdiction. If u miners want to mine ice with no goon reprisal come to Rancer. We have daily mining ops cashing in on the gaylantte ice prices being high and never see a goon. Contact me ingame if u too want to make billions when goons mess with gaylantte ice.

Rancer. You will never see a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.

Rancer. You will never see a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.

Fortes fortuna adiuvat - Fortune favours the brave.

So good of a newly minted member of CCP to display his knowledge of game mechanics so well.

Pray tell, how does a "merc corp" protect against suicide gankers?
Until Crimewatch kicks in, a ganker will be able to suicide a ship, and nothing can be done to stop it.

Let's look at some math, shall we?
Try to keep up.

A Mackinaw, fully tricked out, has a tank of 49K, if the Mack pilot has an implant in slot 7.
Add on a fully skilled Vulture pilot in the SC or WC position, and you push that tank to 66K.
And against kin/therm, we can even say that tank is 71K.

Now then, a Catalyst has a tricked out DPS of 676, with implants in slot 6 and 9.
That ship fully fitted is a little less than 5M.
Given that pods don't get Concorded, there is zero risk atm for suicide pilot's clones.
And please don't talk about someone suiciding their own ship to pop a pod. That will just further make you look dumb.

So along comes a squad of say, 10 Cat's. They will pump out combined DPS of 8 x 676 = 6760
Let's round that down to 6500

That means the Mackinaw, with a tank of 71K, evaporates in 11 seconds
Given how easily Concord can be fooled to move to another location in a system by someone suiciding in a rookie ship in system, that means the Mack is toast in 05, 0.6, and 0.7 space, for certain.
In 0.8 and above space, it is iffy.

That is a cost of 10 catalysts at 5 M each = 50M, and the loss of the Mack, plus mods, plus rigs, is over 200M.
And when the suicide gankers' alts scoop the debris, the losses are so much lower.

So let's say the miners somehow scrape the coin together to hire a merc corp.
Let's say the mercs send out boats to alpha the 10 Cat's when they go red.
The merc's are going to need a minimum of 5 alpha ships sitting there with the miners, manned constantly, to ensure the safety of the miners.

Precisely how much is that going to cost?
And it gets better. What happens if the suicide gankers bring 20 Catalysts? Total cost is still only 100M for them, for a 200M kill.

In summary, I can understand the null sec zealots and professional griefers making the same old "fit a tank, hire merc' lines, but a member of CCP???
Unless, of course, you are a null sec zealot

Be brave, give up the isk/hr and fit a decent tank and you'll have more of a chance to stay alive. And can reminisce with your corp buddies of the failed ganks on your mining ship.

There are several options you can really use here :

• Fit a tank to your barge.
• Hire a mercenary corporation to escort and protect your mining group.
• Ask your friends or corpmates to fleet up and provide an escort for your mining group.

Doesn't CCP realize this is making it almost impossible to mine Ice?

I have already lost TWO MACKINAWS!!!

I'm only posting on an alt so i don't get hunted down and killed AGAIN.

I am so tired of this.

How are we supposed to mine like this?


I hate those stupid goons.

So good of a newly minted member of CCP to display his knowledge of game mechanics so well.

Pray tell, how does a "merc corp" protect against suicide gankers?
Until Crimewatch kicks in, a ganker will be able to suicide a ship, and nothing can be done to stop it.

Let's look at some math, shall we?
Try to keep up.

A Mackinaw, fully tricked out, has a tank of 49K, if the Mack pilot has an implant in slot 7.
Add on a fully skilled Vulture pilot in the SC or WC position, and you push that tank to 66K.
And against kin/therm, we can even say that tank is 71K.

Now then, a Catalyst has a tricked out DPS of 676, with implants in slot 6 and 9.
That ship fully fitted is a little less than 5M.
Given that pods don't get Concorded, there is zero risk atm for suicide pilot's clones.
And please don't talk about someone suiciding their own ship to pop a pod. That will just further make you look dumb.

So along comes a squad of say, 10 Cat's. They will pump out combined DPS of 8 x 676 = 6760
Let's round that down to 6500

That means the Mackinaw, with a tank of 71K, evaporates in 11 seconds
Given how easily Concord can be fooled to move to another location in a system by someone suiciding in a rookie ship in system, that means the Mack is toast in 05, 0.6, and 0.7 space, for certain.
In 0.8 and above space, it is iffy.

That is a cost of 10 catalysts at 5 M each = 50M, and the loss of the Mack, plus mods, plus rigs, is over 200M.
And when the suicide gankers' alts scoop the debris, the losses are so much lower.

So let's say the miners somehow scrape the coin together to hire a merc corp.
Let's say the mercs send out boats to alpha the 10 Cat's when they go red.
The merc's are going to need a minimum of 5 alpha ships sitting there with the miners, manned constantly, to ensure the safety of the miners.

Precisely how much is that going to cost?
And it gets better. What happens if the suicide gankers bring 20 Catalysts? Total cost is still only 100M for them, for a 200M kill.

In summary, I can understand the null sec zealots and professional griefers making the same old "fit a tank, hire merc' lines, but a member of CCP???
Unless, of course, you are a null sec zealot

That's an awful lot of words from someone who's never heard of a logistics ship.

There are several options you can really use here :

• Fit a tank to your barge.
• Hire a mercenary corporation to escort and protect your mining group.
• Ask your friends or corpmates to fleet up and provide an escort for your mining group.

+13, but we have a counter card, two jokers and the card with the instructions on it.

why is noone using a skiff instead, its pretty close to a mack for mining capability?

why is noone using a skiff instead, its pretty close to a mack for mining capability?

Ore hold, and no reason to use them in high sec. Mack's are fine.

A lot of people had Macki's from before the buff. Skiff was never used so nobody owns them. You are right on the actual Ice mining ability and 15 blocks between drops is more than enough wait time.

It looks like the Procurer would work pretty well ... stick a good shield tank on it, insure it, and you have a cheap, durable miner. The Goons may kill you anyway, but at least you'll be draining their accounts in the process...

You know, because we're hard up on cash anyways. :laffo:

Having to fly a procurer or skiff is a punishment in and of itself. Thanks for doing our jobs for us.

You are all forgetting that a big bulk of highsec miners are incapable of adapting unless it makes their yeild better. I have spent most of this year telling them how to avoid being ganked and they still died by the hundreds. After the barge buffs they beat their cheasts and announced their victory over gankers thinking CCP had made them safe. Well we have awoken from our summer slumber and have decided miners are the first to suffer. Over the next six month bad players across high sec will be reminded that playing stupid will not go unpunished.

There's no difference in ice harvester cycle time between the Skiff and Mackinaw FYI

Why U mad?

Don't be mad.

Be happy !!

There are several options you can really use here :

• Fit a tank to your barge.
• Hire a mercenary corporation to escort and protect your mining group.
• Ask your friends or corpmates to fleet up and provide an escort for your mining group.

Dear fellow space travellers

This man looks to have spoken the truth and his stature must be hailed thrice for the advice he gives. But I challenge you to query his knowledge.

Ask yourself if he understands the Goons intent.
Ask, does he speak as a miner who knows the tank will not stop many ships.
Ask, does he speak as a ganker who cares not for the escort.
Ask, would not Concord intervene when you fire at someone before they shoot.

His words are false. His intentions are false. He speaks lies.

I, Minmatar Gandhi, offer the only true and wise words. Stop mining ice.

Go in Peace
-oo-

There is once you get the MLU on them.

Rancer. You will never see a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.

You mistook Jita for Rancer. All they do in Rancer all day is sit on the gate and pop anything that flies through, it's hardly full of any "scum" or "villainy"...

Unlike Jita where the alts will take any amount of isk from you that they can scam off you.

Oh we aint mad. We are becoming disgustingly rich from all of this.

Doesn't CCP realize this is making it almost impossible to mine Ice?

I have already lost TWO MACKINAWS!!!

I'm only posting on an alt so i don't get hunted down and killed AGAIN.

I am so tired of this.

How are we supposed to mine like this?


I hate those stupid goons.

Dear fellow space travellers

This man looks to have spoken the truth and his stature must be hailed thrice for the advice he gives. But I challenge you to query his knowledge.

Ask yourself if he understands the Goons intent.
Ask, does he speak as a miner who knows the tank will not stop many ships.
Ask, does he speak as a ganker who cares not for the escort.
Ask, would not Concord intervene when you fire at someone before they shoot.

His words are false. His intentions are false. He speaks lies.

I, Minmatar Gandhi, offer the only true and wise words. Stop mining ice.

Go in Peace
-oo-

Weren't you already disgustingly rich? At some point does it even matter how much isk you have?
You can only fly so many ships at once, no matter how many alts you have....

Goon alt confirmed. Just do what Falcon said. Get a few friends or alts in logi ships and form a permanent rep web and ensure all ships are tanks. Invite a friend with an Orca to hold ore, or use an alt in an iteron. Problem solved.

Dearest Friend

You understand little.

Consider the angry bull confronted with a fence and a red flag. The red flag will dominate the fence.

The strength of the fence has no significance. The bull will strike the fence. He will strike it once, twice, thrice. He will continue to strike the fence. The fence will break.

I say to you, stop waving the red flag and the bull will leave. He will go back to his grass and his cows.

But he will have left. This is a good thing.

Go in Peace
-oo-

Karma also dicates that few, if any miners, will actually make the effort.

You are forgetting that the effects of Karma are inevitable, and the new kill rights system will indeed allow an alert escort fleet to shoot first come winter.

Karma also dicates that few, if any miners, will actually make the effort.

Translation.

Make high sec gank free and there won't be any gankers.


Go away now.

Make high sec gank free and there won't be any gankers.
Go away now.

Goon troll alt spotted.

I read it as stop mining blue ice during a blue ice interdiction (red flag) as they are willing to take on any level of tank (fence).

Staying here is fine, or going, it's up to you.

How is that?

Might this thread be proof that CCP cannot patch stupid?

Translation.

Make high sec gank free and there won't be any gankers.


Go away now.

Might this thread be proof that CCP cannot patch stupid?

Solitude if you want Gallente Ice or you can just change Regions and mine some other Ice or you can mine minerals for awhile and switch back when they get bored.

You could also watch local , and not mine AFK.

Look back, it isn't that impressive that you managed to kill exhumers when it only took 1 destroyer.

I mean any killmail ***** has the motivation to do that.

Now when it takes actual organization you FAIL so remarkable.

Continue your damage control thread to try and cover the embarrassment though.

Doesn't CCP realize this is making it almost impossible to mine Ice?

I have already lost TWO MACKINAWS!!!

I'm only posting on an alt so i don't get hunted down and killed AGAIN.

I am so tired of this.

How are we supposed to mine like this?


I hate those stupid goons.

QUIT WHINING! I mine with 4 Procs at the same time... If all of them get blown up i lose almost nothing because they are cheaper than dirt. When you lose a mack you lose 200mil. The ability to make up the difference in mining yeilds is in the hundreds of hours and you almost certainly almost get ganked before you make up the difference...

Wow i kind of started ranting... sorry bout that.

QFT. Why the hell is anyone mining ice in an exhumer??

Same reason they used to mine in untanked hulks everywhere. Best mix of yeild and ore hold.

The difference used to be very very large. Now the yield difference is about 5% and the ore hold is big enough compared to what it used to be.

You know, because we're hard up on cash anyways. :laffo:

Having to fly a procurer or skiff is a punishment in and of itself. Thanks for doing our jobs for us.

Doesn't CCP realize this is making it almost impossible to mine Ice?

I have already lost TWO MACKINAWS!!!

I'm only posting on an alt so i don't get hunted down and killed AGAIN.

I am so tired of this.

How are we supposed to mine like this?


I hate those stupid goons.

This matters not to them.

I guess I shouldnt think that people can do a cost benefit analysis...... Considering goons do an ice interdiction and hulkaggedon every year....

QFT. Why the hell is anyone mining ice in an exhumer??

They're back to failpoasting on GD again.

I prefer Amamake

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So good of a newly minted member of CCP to display his knowledge of game mechanics so well.

Pray tell, how does a "merc corp" protect against suicide gankers?
Until Crimewatch kicks in, a ganker will be able to suicide a ship, and nothing can be done to stop it.

I am going to go ahead and give you an respectful reply.

CONCORD is a reactionary force. They do not really have the capacity to protect people from harm. The best they can do is jam and kill a group of enemy ships before they kill you. Please understand, this is how CONCORD is intended to work. They only react to aggression, and CONCORD will not take any preventative measures to protect you.

You are correct that, because of the above mechanics, a group of people with the right tactics and amount of force can find a way to kill your ship. They can find a way to do this with a high degree of accuracy, while minimizing their losses. These tactics can be sustainable, and sometimes profitable. CONCORD is not capable of preventing this type of scenario, because that is not their purpose. There are little things that you can do to protect yourself, but you probably understand this already and found these solutions to be ineffective.

The ultimate problem is you have little control of your own fate in high security space. It rests within the hands of CONCORD, and they punish any sort of unsanctioned aggression, even if it's preemptively in defense. Some people are better equipped to take that punishment, and some opportunities are worth that punishment, which seems to include your Mackinaw.

If Han shot first in empire space, he would get concordokken'ed.

But what is the core of your complaint? Do you think these opportunities should not be allowed to exist, or is it a problem with not being able to counter them? Is there a problem with mining ice in lower security space where you can better protect yourself from threats?

Don't expect much sympathy now with the buffed exhumers.

Does it ever occur to anyone to simply not mine/explore/fly/exist anywhere near goonspace?

Seriously. They want to run everything in their little empire? Fine, let them rule it by themselves. All by themselves. Alone. With no one else around. Move to the other side of the map. Let them have fun starting at their their sov map & shooting at rats until they all unsub from sheer boredom.

Does it ever occur to anyone to simply not mine/explore/fly/exist anywhere near goonspace?

Seriously. They want to run everything in their little empire? Fine, let them rule it by themselves. All by themselves. Alone. With no one else around. Move to the other side of the map. Let them have fun starting at their their sov map & shooting at rats until they all unsub from sheer boredom.

All space is goon space. It is also a liquid.

From a combination of too much mountain dew and rule 34

Does anyone mine here or what?

You getting bumped? set your ship to an orbit, when your cargo hold is full dump the stuff in station. Or use the help of the ORCA.