Having isk be a reward for doing well is stupid when their is absolutely 0 regulation against switching sides.

Guys, stop posting nonsense and start playing the game. If you are up for PVP fun then just go out and hunt some war targets... if you can't find any then go into one of their systems which is inhabitated by them and start running a plex... sooner or later they will come out to hunt you. I did both of things yesterday and had much fun. War targets which didn't left faction warefare are those who are willing to come out and play. This is good.

If you are just playing for the ISK/h ratio, then go out and get a real life job.

PvP, it is mostly routine, lock tackle pop.

Amarr will be fine. You now have 8 systems as of today. You guys will be busting quite a few more over the next few days. It won't take much for you guys to get to T2 WZ control.

I'm so tired of Amarr and Caldari whining about their inevitable doom. Caldari have been busting like mad. They took about 10 yesterday. Several more were taken today in the EU TZ. And then the US TZ Squids like Happy Endings will be undocking their fleet of 7 dreads from Rakapas in a couple more hours. We'll see where they hit tonight. Even rumors have started floating about nullsec gangs waiting to get a drop on all these shiny dreads since it's becoming much more defined as to where and or which pipes the IHUB bashing will take place :)

I think it's doable for all militias to acquire T3 WZ control over the next month or so. T4 or T5? Most likely not. But that was good while it lasted. Welcome to the new normal.

CCP - damned if they do; damned if they don't.

Shaalira D'arc > If you want to put a stop to Happy Endings' plexing efforts in Vaaralen for the night, cloak up on the outside of their plex after they're done. Just stop it from respawning.

Ironic FW players make more now then they ever have, and yet have moved from BS fleets down to Thrashers and frigs. Almost makes you cry.[/i]

I wonder if Froggies will go to forums to shout for a ban to Shaalira now. After all, they screamed a ban for me for revealing what mechanics they initially used to stop plexes from despawning (= timer bug).

Of course they wont. Neither will CCP do anything since they are busy gobbling down froggie militias sausage.



Most players in eve will proceed like this:

1) Scrounge any amount of isk desperately and make sure they wont lose their barely afforded boat
2) Find a good isk source, make isk like a bandit
3) Have more isk than you know what to do with.
4) Start worrying about your KB isk efficiency. Alternatively hate your opponents too much that any and all ship losses, even from victorious fleet fight is seem as unacceptable (i'm guilty on this one).

Correct me if I am wrong.

Unlike, what, PvE?

Thing is,

Why to engage in PVP against enemy who is willing to fight with their pvp ships, they are already ready to lose those so no matter if you win and kill all they practically get just what they wanted.

I prefer killing enemy on time they are not willing to lose their ships, example when they are making isk for their PVP ships.

Most people want to play EVE as some arcade game , have some fights and see some explosions, other play it as social game where they make friends and build stuff and mine etc..., then there is players who want to play it as strategy game by destroying their enemies totally.

There is lot of different ways to play eve and different goals, none of those are right or wrong, you will just setup goal for yourself and if you achieve it you have won your EVE.

Well imo killing ratters is boring, starting fights you know you'll win. If that is what you like go to null, in facrtion warfare you are not going to have fun since youll be fighting the same people over and over. Look at the gangwarfare by matari exodus., they would get bored real fast. People will know their way of fighting after several engagements and it will simply lead to both sides bringing more tank than gank. Hating your enemies isn't realy helpfull either, better to just have fun and fight. Occadionally ship up and down to allow fights. You need to be lenient and willing to take losses, so you bring more gank, less tank and logi. Faction warfare is for people who like xplodie thing n ships, even if its your own.
So less killing frigs with tengus and ganking on the undock ( you people know who you are) and more BC brawl and going balls to the walls

Faction warfare is for people who like xplodie thing n ships, even if its your own.

Want some cheese with your whine? I actually get along with quite a few of my enemies, I or example consider Muad'Dib, Pinky, or the aussie amarr to be pretty cool dudes. Of course there is drama, there will always be people like you, but if you don't want a fight club the why be in faction warfare?

FWIW, plexes should despawn after they have been completed - whether or not there is anybody still inside them. Hans should get CCP to put this on their to-do list.

None of the features in the list that you linked have ANYTHING to do with pvp - only with cornering the market on goods so your side can make more isk from them.

Anyways, the pew is there for all who want it. It's up to you to go get it.

The current state of the faction warfare macro system is out of whack with what the system should be encouraging: more PvP

attempts to groom players into a certain playstyle if they want to earn any living whatsoever within faction warfare. Basically, CCP tells the faction warfare player, if you want to earn a living, then you should care about PvE: orbiting buttons and running missions. PvP is secondary.

Hans seemed to agree with this. "I agree with you completely," he said, every time someone brought up the issue of PvP-over-PvE... The problem, if he's agreeing with everything, you don't really get a sense of what he's actually thinking. Hell, Soundwave might tell him "I want to see more PvE in lowsec" and Hans' response might very well be "I agree with you completely."

While I agree that FW should be a PVP activity, I don't see how LP for PVP is going to be a good idea. Goonswarm already poked a HUGE hole in that idea, if we all remember.

Do you realize that these statements are not, in fact, in any way contradictory? That Hans can simultaneously want to improve the PvP incentives for FW and want to draw more PvE and industry into lowsec?

from http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2012/10/faction-warfare-same-as-it-ever-was.html

First of all, I welcome the changes to faction warfare that 1) decrease the value of loyalty points. 2) I also welcome the changes to faction warfare that make it more difficult to farm loyalty points. 3)I welcome the changes that make it easier to attack and blow up loyalty point farmers.

remove FW missions, then FW is fixed !