Clone jumping more often would mean that there's more pvp in the game. As we all know, more pvp means that there's a lack of consequences for undesirable behavior. This is something that's not in line with current development focus.

I mean I get that it would be too easy to move around if you could just jump around all the time, but 24 hours seems like an awfully large penalty to solve a relatively minor problem. Couldn't the timer be 2 hours, 4 hours, or 8 hours, and do the same thing?

Clone jumping more often would mean that there's more pvp in the game. As we all know, more pvp means that there's a lack of consequences for undesirable behavior. This is something that's not in line with current development focus.

Whats with this sudden surge of people who want to do away with meaningfull conciquences to their actions?

I mean I get that it would be too easy to move around if you could just jump around all the time, but 24 hours seems like an awfully large penalty to solve a relatively minor problem. Couldn't the timer be 2 hours, 4 hours, or 8 hours, and do the same thing?

Imho 24 hours are a fair timeframe.

I can understand a desire to shorten it, but that shortening would start a down spiral (a fulfilled desire awakens more desires) and lead to the exact reason why this timeframe is 24 hours now.

It should be 12 hours, 12 hours to me is fair yet still penalizing.

Fast-forward two years:
GÇ£It should be 6 hours, 6 hours to me is fair yet still penalizing.GÇ¥

Once a day is fine. It's just that it should be once a day rather than once just-over-a-day.

Fast-forward two years:
GÇ£It should be 6 hours, 6 hours to me is fair yet still penalizing.GÇ¥

Once a day is fine. It's just that it should be once a day rather than once just-over-a-day.

The current 24 hours are a real inconvienience to those that are bound to tight shedules due to RL.

We need a skill that lets us reduce the jumping delay by 1 hour per level, perhaps 2 hours depending on the skill multipier.
I believe that would be an acceptable compromise.

I've seen these threads come up lots in the Assembly Hall and Features etc, and the same argument are used on both sides for and against.

The pros say that quicker jump timers would allow people to get closer tot he action when they wanted to. The cons say that people would be travelling less manually and so there would be less opportunity for PvP.

I think even if the pros are right, small gang and solo will get nerfed by that kind of change. I like travelling manually.

Clearly, it's not fine as if it was, we wouldn't see people asking for it to be reduced.

It's to ensure that you can't move around (or adjust your clone setup) too easily at too little cost.

The only problem with the timer is that it's a classic timer fence-post error. It should really be 23h (or 23:55).

GǪ or 36h, just to reinforce that it's not intended to be used once a day at the beginning of each play session :)

Yeah, the problem is that what people are asking for is not a suitable metric for what is fine and what isn't.

People are asking for built-in bots, no highsec, no nullsec, PvP switches, I-win buttons and all manners of things that would alter things that are just fine as they are. Knocking an hour off the timer would not be pointless because it would make it an actual once-a-day thing rather than the current once-a-bit-more-than-a-day event it is. It's a classic error when designing countdowns.

GǪbut sure, that's building on the assumption that it should be a once-a-day ability, which isn't entirely certain, and again, it wouldn't need to be a full hour to solve that issue GÇö 5 minutes would work just as well.

Well what I know for sure is a lot of us don't us jump clones for their intended purpose, but instead we use them to store different implant sets. Being able to switch between implant sets only once per 24 hours is detrimental to PVP. For example, during a quiet period you and a whole bunch of other people in your alliance jump into ratting clones. My ratting clone has +5 learning implants and 5% damage hardwirings. 10 hours later there's a spontaneous fleet. A large number of people aren't going to be showing up to this fleet because they don't want to risk their blinged out brains.

Consequences. Yeah. Bad thingy.

Well what I know for sure is a lot of us don't us jump clones for their intended purpose, but instead we use them to store different implant sets. Being able to switch between implant sets only once per 24 hours is detrimental to PVP. For example, during a quiet period you and a whole bunch of other people in your alliance jump into ratting clones. My ratting clone has +5 learning implants and 5% damage hardwirings. 10 hours later there's a spontaneous fleet. A large number of people aren't going to be showing up to this fleet because they don't want to risk their blinged out brains.

A couple solutions to this problem would be allowing jumps within clones at the same station with a greatly reduced timer or no timer at all, or allowing unplugging of learning implants without destroying them (and possibly hardwirings with some penalty).

However I just thought of a way this could be exploited in combination with death cloning, but death cloning is already a problem. The solution to this, I propose, would be so that you cannot change your medical clone station more than once every 48 hours.

The consequences are entirely avoidable as it is, the problem is that everyone chooses to avoid the consequences and this comes at the expense of PVP.

You could choose to avoid the consequence by staying in your PvP clone (especially if you are in a pvp alliance like Razor with an active campaign afaik).

The consequences are entirely avoidable as it is, the problem is that everyone chooses to avoid the consequences and this comes at the expense of PVP.

+1 Happens all the time. Not only the damage mitigating circumstance as you've mentioned, it's also sometimes the case you are simply in the wrong clone for the job, that even if you were willing to use you couldn't because you don't have the PG implant due to being in slaves, or other similar situations.

12 hours or less would be better, so if I have an engagement requiring 1 clone in the late evening on friday, when I log on saturday I could be ready to change clone appropriate to the days targets, instead of having to wait until I have to go to bed to change clone hoping I get it right for sunday.

Long long long advocated just putting in a rank 12 skill to miitgate clone jumping down to 5-6 hrs tops.

and force every one in the game to train it to level 5.

Again, terrible solution.

Yeah I am forcing you to make terrible posts as well. I should probably stop.

The consequences are entirely avoidable as it is, the problem is that everyone chooses to avoid the consequences and this comes at the expense of PVP.

PVP clones has implants as well also for different situations depending on what you fly etc. So that argument is mute, thank you.

I doubt that you are unable to do something because you are in a clone with certain implants. Your argument is mute, try again.

Learn the game before you argue any further please.

I play since 2007. Please explain your argument on a concrete example. Thanks

I don't have the time to do the much needed power point display with colorful pictures for you, sorry.

Let's just say, this issue we are arguing about will clearly not affect you so don't worry about a thing.

So the issue at hand is not the instant travelling (which is a bad feature to have regardless) but rather the unwillingness to lose bling bling implants.

So what happened to EVE being all "hardcore" and "don't fly (or rather use) what you cannot afford to lose and yada yada yada?

I really get the feeling that people only want the "anti-carebear" measurements only as long as they themselves aren't affected by it.

I'm good with 12 hours.

So the issue at hand is not the instant travelling (which is a bad feature to have regardless) but rather the unwillingness to lose bling bling implants.

So what happened to EVE being all "hardcore" and "don't fly (or rather use) what you cannot afford to lose and yada yada yada?

I really get the feeling that people only want the "anti-carebear" measurements only as long as they themselves aren't affected by it.

The 24h cooldown is fine, and totally reasonable. However, I think it'd work if it was 24h per clone.

For example, I have clones A, B and C.

I am in clone A, my nullsec PvE clone. After doing some ratting, I decide I'd likt to join a PvP op. The front line is away from my ratting grounds, so I jump into clone B. Clone A is now on cooldown, as I have just jumped out of it.

After some pew pew, my pod is still somehow intact. But there's no more fight to be had, so I jump into clone C in highsec to buy some things for importing. Clone B is now on cooldown.

I'm now "stuck" in clone C, with both my other clones on cooldown. 2 jumps to 3 clones in under 24h, but each clone still has its own 24h cooldown.

Seems like a reasonable compromise to me.

So the issue at hand is not the instant travelling (which is a bad feature to have regardless) but rather the unwillingness to lose bling bling implants.

So what happened to EVE being all "hardcore" and "don't fly (or rather use) what you cannot afford to lose and yada yada yada?

I really get the feeling that people only want the "anti-carebear" measurements only as long as they themselves aren't affected by it.

I do this all the time since I don't use implants on this toon

What about if it was twice every 48 hours?

I remember when we didn't have jumpclones. You whipper-snappers...

So flying a shield tanked ships with armor implants in my head is "hardcore"? No wait, that just stupid.

So what happened to EVE being all "hardcore" and "don't fly (or rather use) what you cannot afford to lose and yada yada yada?

But still not impossible. Consequences vOv

So flying a shield tanked ships with armor implants in my head is "hardcore"? No wait, that just stupid.

As soon as you divorce yourself from the emotional and psycological connection to your implants- you can jump every 2 minutes via changing where your med clone is and self destruct.

Yes, I'm sure you do this often with +5s and hardwirings.

I would imagine most high sec pubbies have all that crap in their head but I usually don't have any implants.

The 24h cooldown is fine, and totally reasonable. However, I think it'd work if it was 24h per clone.

I could get behind shortening it to 23 or 23 1/2 just to stop the annoying timer-creep that occurs with a full 24 hours, but otherwise being forced to commit to a jump is a good thing.

Although, to be honest, most of my clone-jumps are done in-station between by learning implanted clone and a naked pvp clone, and a reduction when your in the same station as the clone your hopping into would be kinda helpful, but something I wouldn't care enough about to argue for.

I think there are a few separate crowds here that some people have difficulties telling apart. Namely there are two completely separate groups, one who wants to make using jump clones easier for their intended purpose (clone travel), and another who want a boost to their secondary purpose (implant storage).

I think there are a few separate crowds here that some people have difficulties telling apart. Namely there are two completely separate groups, one who wants to make using jump clones easier for their intended purpose (clone travel), and another who want a boost to their secondary purpose (implant storage).

For people who are against jump clones for their "instant travel" "making eve small", they are stupid, you can travel from one end of eve within like 10-20 mins with capitals and cyno chain... or do it within a few hours in an interceptor...

I personly don't care about jump clones as a means of travel, if they made switching implants easier and without destroying the implants in the process, I would totally be for removing jump clones... (unplug implant to hangar would be kinda sweet)

Hmm

The more I read why you want the timer decreased, the more I'm convinced it should be increased

Clone jumping more often would mean that there's more pvp in the game. As we all know, more pvp means that there's a lack of consequences for undesirable behavior. This is something that's not in line with current development focus.

I think this is correct, I mainly see jump clones as a implant storage :)...

For people who are against jump clones for their "instant travel" "making eve small", they are stupid, you can travel from one end of eve within like 10-20 mins with capitals and cyno chain... or do it within a few hours in an interceptor...

I personly don't care about jump clones as a means of travel, if they made switching implants easier and without destroying the implants in the process, I would totally be for removing jump clones... (unplug implant to hangar would be kinda sweet)

Same here.

All those desires of saving implants, fast travelling etc. make me think about increasing the cooldown timer. Maybe 36 hours.

Make it 35-+ and you've got a deal.