They will buy stuff produced by other PvP pilots who search for maximum efficiency at any given moment - and there are no reasons whatsoever to think that something will prevent us from swithing, say, w-space activities to hi-sec industry if it becomes so profitable.

You don't really believe PvP players get their isk out of the thin air, do you?

I don't see how these carebearish dreams correlate with me showing that hi-sec bears have no monopoly on industry and production. Care to elaborate?

A lot of players who live exclusively in high sec like to say GÇ£stop pushing us around, we donGÇÖt want to play the game like you do, stop telling us what to do and leave us alone. We donGÇÖt tell you how to play so you canGÇÖt tell us how to playGÇ¥.

I think this is not a fair argument.

Consider a situation where all PVPers in the game agreed to fight each other until one entered structure, at that point a killmail would be generated and the loser, who had entered structure, would be obliged to return to a station and not to use that ship again for 24 hours.

Under this arrangement PVP would continue but industrial activity, in all but ammo manufacturing, would cease to exist. All pilots would buy one or two copies of each ship in the game and would not need to buy ships again. It would be a PVP paradise, with no need to grind money to pay for ships you could fight and fight forever.

Now obviously nobody wants this but it illustrates the point, all industrial activity in EVE is built on risk. It is founded on people taking a risk, screwing up and getting blown up. This creates the opportunity to build a new ship. It is very rare people undock wanting to get blown up and when they do get blown up it is because they were taking a risk to achieve something they want and it went wrong.

Of course there is the expansion of the subscriber base, when new players want new ships, but expansion also creates new industrialists so overall itGÇÖs effect is small.

So this means if you want to mine or make ships or trade what you are doing is profiting off someone who took a risk and got blown up and now has to replace their ship. So saying you want to do any of these things but not have anything to do with those nasty PVPers is completely hypocritical. Every industrial activity relies on PVPers, you must interact with them to be an industrialist, so you canGÇÖt say GÇ£leave us aloneGÇ¥ because if they did no industrialist would have anything to do.

So saying, GÇ£I want to be safe in high sec and just to be an industrialistGÇ¥ is inherently creating a two tier system, where the PVPers take all the risk and then industrialists get all the rewards. ItGÇÖs unbalanced. ItGÇÖs like PVPers asking for ships that respawn, it just distorts the game in the favour of one specific group.

Industrialists who seek great rewards should have to take great risks to get them. This feeds the system with risk and allows those rewards to be generated. It is fair, everyone in the game takes risks to get rewards.

I donGÇÖt think anyone should be allowed to play a communal game and get rewards without risk while others take extra risks to compensate. The risk of mining and manufacturing and trading in high sec is too low, it is very close to zero, yet the rewards are high. This is unacceptable.

High sec needs to be balanced. If you want to be safe you must put up with being poor, if you want to be rich you should take risks.

So no wonder people say GÇ£leave us alone, we like it as it isGÇ¥.

Well apparently they prefer to mine. Who are we to tell them not to and what they should think is fun?

Did I say we should?

Did I say we should?

PvPers do get one reward that industrialists do not get: the Adrenaline Rush. For them it feels good. For the typical industrialist the stress involved in PvP combat is just a pile of stress without any euphoria, and maybe with a feeling of being drained.

Think of it this way then; if the pubbies did suddenly get ousted and you all took over...would you really rather be mining and manufacturing than shooting? You'd become the same carebears, with less people, in an empty dead game...is that what you want? If the majority anti-pvp PVE'ers suddenly up and left manufacturing, would you really be willing to all pick up the mantle?

If more Ores were to be found only in low-sec. The price for those ores would skyrocket., that in itse;f would likely be a good thing as there is for too much easy money sloshing around in the game.

Personally I would NEVER take a mining barge into low-sec, no matter how valuable the ores to be found there. The risk is just too high. It will NEVER be worth the risk.

This is a situation created by the residents of low-sec, they only have themselves to blame.

I would never go mine solo. Now if you had a mining fleet and also a fleet guarding them I might go. But my question would be: what PVP'er is going to sit in the guarding fleet watching miners mine?

Really, never? What if you could make 1 billion ISK per hour in a 20 mill retreiver?

This scenario is obviously ridiculous, but I highly doubt that you would "NEVER" go there.