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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
424
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Posted - 2012.10.31 20:05:00 -
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White Quake wrote:Lord Zim wrote:White Quake wrote:post of drivel, nothing more Now this is high-quality rebuttals, right there. White Quake wrote:high sec pilots have a right to ignore you, end of conversation And they often do, until they get hit by a few blasters. Then they cry sweet, sweet tears, because they're under the incorrect illusion that hisec is perfectly safe. id love to see u troll a rl carbear at fanfest, specially one u killed, i saw a pvper do that at the last fanfest outside a hotel, called him a noob and smiled, he wasnt smiling when the guy broke his nose in one hit. your all just cowards who gank those who cant fight bk Look at the internet tough guy.
Scary dude he is. Wish I could pretend to be a tough guy on the internet; what skill do I train to do that? |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
2086
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Posted - 2012.10.31 20:07:00 -
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hahahahahahaha |

TharOkha
0asis Group
116
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Posted - 2012.10.31 20:07:00 -
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/facepalm GÇ£If reality can destroy the dream, why shouldn't the dream destroy reality?GÇ¥ |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5418
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Posted - 2012.10.31 20:08:00 -
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White Quake wrote:id love to see u troll a rl carbear at fanfest, specially one u killed, i saw a pvper do that at the last fanfest outside a hotel, called him a noob and smiled, he wasnt smiling when the guy broke his nose in one hit.
your all just cowards who gank those who cant fight bk
were you smiling when you made that story up or was this hypothetical 'carebear' smiling when he had to convince the dude not to press charges ~*a-áproud belligerent undesirable*~ |

Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
348
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Posted - 2012.10.31 20:09:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Yeah, the crazier and more feared you are, the more likely the government is going to let you set up an orbital bombardment factory in orbit of one of their densely populated planets. Good one. Actually, beyond a certain threshold yes. Consider the implications of creating an enemy out of not an individual but rather an undying entity capable of piloting the greatest weapons you have at far greater efficiency and effect than you can. Have you seen CONCORD? Just have CONCORD push all the capsuleers out into 'lawless space' and restrict all capsuleers to civilian gatling guns unless fighting FW enemies. Problem solved. Ok, are we talking about the entity that is non-governing and is apparently content to simply police while being higher than all in military might or are we talking about the entirely less impressive faction navies who belong to the empires who are making these decisions. Also you haven't responded to the issue of mutual benefit of the revenue created from the use of empire facilities, not that it couldn't stand to be raised. That is alot of isk which is being funneled back into the wallets of the empires. |

Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
555
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Posted - 2012.10.31 20:13:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:or the consequences of their CHOICE to play
...a multiplayer game ...where undocking in consenting to get pew pew'd ...playing the game wrong I'm not a hair splitter... (well yes I am but meh).
Multi player game means there is more than one player in the game. Not sure how this became - you must interact.
player 1> o/ fellow player player 2> gtfo. i do not want to talk to you player 1> this is a multiplayer game you know?!
Consenting means you accept that you might to be killed. It does not mean will, nor does it mean you should.
player 1> dude, your in hospital with a bullet wound! what happened? player 2> i was in my car and some dude shot me player 1> wtf!! what a dirty rotten so-and-so! player 2> it's ok. i consented, i left my house and drove to work.
Playing wrong? How can anyone play the game wrong? It's a sandbox.
player 1> dude! no! that's not how you play eve! player 2> if i want to mine with a logi, why the hell not? player 1> because you just, you know, don't. it's not cool.
Carry on.  "I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5418
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Posted - 2012.10.31 20:13:00 -
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I mean I have the self control needed not to punch somebody in the face when they make fun of how bad I am at a video game ~*a-áproud belligerent undesirable*~ |

Lord Zim
1895
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Posted - 2012.10.31 20:15:00 -
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I'm just waiting for the "people who gank defenseless ships are sociopaths" line. Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. |

Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
555
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Posted - 2012.10.31 20:15:00 -
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Andski wrote:I mean I have the self control needed not to punch somebody in the face when they make fun of how bad I am at a video game I make the same claim.
But it's only cos I don't know where they live.
HANG ON!!!
Aren't I responding to the results of a post from a guy that started his "forum career" whining about nastee peeples on the internetz and how badz they poasts?
now he's advocating punching heds? THAT guy? "I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
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KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
987
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Posted - 2012.10.31 20:19:00 -
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White Quake wrote:Lord Zim wrote:White Quake wrote:post of drivel, nothing more Now this is high-quality rebuttals, right there. White Quake wrote:high sec pilots have a right to ignore you, end of conversation And they often do, until they get hit by a few blasters. Then they cry sweet, sweet tears, because they're under the incorrect illusion that hisec is perfectly safe. id love to see u troll a rl carbear at fanfest, specially one u killed, i saw a pvper do that at the last fanfest outside a hotel, called him a noob and smiled, he wasnt smiling when the guy broke his nose in one hit. your all just cowards who gank those who cant fight bk Ahhahahahahahaha, you can't make this level of derp up. www.minerbumping.com - because your tears are delicious |

Hestia Mar
Calmaretto
56
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Posted - 2012.10.31 20:22:00 -
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As a pvp'r you don't take any risk because if you lose a ship you simply clone back to a station and pick up a new ship...play the game with only one ship and then you'd be taking a risk in pvp.
In any case your ship is internet pixels so there is no real risk involved...you just want to feel superior because your risk free existence is different from a carebear's risk free existence
Posting in another "please I want more cannon-fodder to bloat my KB" thread...
Yawn. |

Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
215
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Posted - 2012.10.31 20:22:00 -
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A bit funny... you know... the fact that pvpers who refuse to bring risk to hisec are the ones who whine about risk-free hisec. |

Lord Zim
1896
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Posted - 2012.10.31 20:24:00 -
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Hestia Mar wrote:As a pvp'r you don't take any risk because if you lose a ship you simply clone back to a station and pick up a new ship...play the game with only one ship and then you'd be taking a risk in pvp. "hurr if you have multiple ships you're not taking risks durr"
Hestia Mar wrote:Posting in another "please I want more cannon-fodder to bloat my KB" thread... oh look you're 100% wrong Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. |

Hecate Shaw
United Freemerchants Society
11
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Posted - 2012.10.31 20:25:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote: I don't agree with the moving of minerals to other systems either.
Taxes are non factor in high sec. You have skills that make broker and transaction taxes next to nothing. You build in a station not owned by you, but get perfect refining and pay next to nothing to use them. You're using SOMEONE ELSES FACTORY to build for next to no cost. That's like me going and building something in a factory that's owned by another corporation and them not really charging me to do so.
Okay, as I said, maybe up some of the fees in high sec. I will argue that perfect refining in the hubs of civilization makes perfect sense - do you think the most efficient factories in the world are in/near cities, or in the middle of the Sahara? You may argue the amount of the fees on manufacturing, but it is at least set up like a business - you use our factory, we charge you x amount per hour.
Natsett Amuinn wrote:And high sec is not supposed to be civilized space and null a wasteland. High sec is only supposed to be safer, and the further away you get from each empires epicenter the longer it takes CONCORD to get to you and the less safe it becomes. Null is just space that hasn't been claimed by one of the four factions, and therefore has no CONCORD control. This I'll argue in the strongest possible sense - in what way do you figure high sec is NOT supposed to be civilized space? I mean, it isn't like it contains the stable corporations (NPC ones, that is), the capitols of the empires, most of the fleets belonging to those empires, the vast majority of the NPC settled worlds and population...oh, wait... To take things further, in what way is "space that hasn't been claimed by one of the four factions" not uncivilized? No ties to organized and stable government, no police or rule of law, low population, what more do you need?
Natsett Amuinn wrote:Null sec isn't the place you go just for blowing people up, it's for empire building when you don't want to be affiliated with one of the existing empires. Just because it's player driven doesn't mean it should be the shittiest place to live and make ISK, it only means you don't pay tax to the NPC empires, you pay it to a player run one. It shouldn't be the shittiest place to live, only one less secured by outside forces. Life there is meant to be tenuous, and tend not to come with the luxuries of places with long and stable histories under a single regime.
Natsett Amuinn wrote:My point about the gold rush was that people went west in droves TO MAKE FORTUNES. You don't go to the frontier in EVE for that reason currently. Please, make a list of all of the reasons people aren't going to the frontiers of EVE to make their fortunes. Be honest. I think if you are, you'll find that 90% of those reasons have to do with the people that are already there.
Natsett Amuinn wrote:It doesn't make any sense that you're paying less to utilize someone elses factories than we can in null. Setting up a factory has nothing to do with an area of space being civilized or not, you're using anothe companies facilities and you're hardly paying anything to do so, that just doesn't make any sense. In a settled, less chaotic area, the factory owners can charge less (have to, because of competition). Null alliances have to pay out all the expenses of a government (which in high are assumed to be paid by all the poor NPC's) and the factory owner; they and their expenses set your prices. No matter how safe it is, you are paying the costs of the g
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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
424
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Posted - 2012.10.31 20:27:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:A bit funny... you know... the fact that pvpers who refuse to bring risk to hisec are the ones who whine about risk-free hisec. Yeah...
Because there's lots of posts in here by pvpers whining, and not a single plost from somene crying that because they pay to play the game they shouldn't be subject to pvp.
I love how it's "pvpers" whining, and not the pve guys.
How about backing up your statement? I need only point to GD to prove mine, how about you direct us all to the threads started by pvpers crying about not wanting to bring risk to high sec. |

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
424
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Posted - 2012.10.31 20:30:00 -
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I'm not saying high sec isn't civilized, I'm saying that you can't just say that high sec is civilized therefore you should have an advantage, and that null is a wasteland and therefore shouldn't.
Null is "a wasteland" it's just were players can build empires because it isn't claimed by any faction. It's as civilized as the players make it, and where I live it's as civilized as any part of high sec.
That's like saying all town in the west during the gold rush were uncivilized, as if people didn't have law an order based on the amoutn of law and order they were willing to enforce.
Factory efficiency has nothing to do with where they're built, I'm tired of this excuse.
YOU'RE USING SOMEONE ELSES FACTORIES TO BUILD. I don't care were it is or how civilized the space it, you're using another companies factory to build ssomething and you pay less than I do, that doesn't make sense. |

Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
181
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Posted - 2012.10.31 20:30:00 -
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Andski wrote:White Quake wrote:id love to see u troll a rl carbear at fanfest, specially one u killed, i saw a pvper do that at the last fanfest outside a hotel, called him a noob and smiled, he wasnt smiling when the guy broke his nose in one hit.
your all just cowards who gank those who cant fight bk were you smiling when you made that story up or was this hypothetical 'carebear' smiling when he had to convince the dude not to press charges It is a good thing the Sausagefest, errr Fanfest does not take place here in Chicago. A broken nose in a fight would have been the "safe" route to a further life. Unfortunately, here the local newspapers will profile the individual who died and thus broke last year's murder rate total. We're not talking single digits, but hundreds. Years ago, it broke a thousand.
You honestly think someone gives a damn about a person and their video game when they know you can boost their rep? |

Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
216
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Posted - 2012.10.31 20:31:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Because there's lots of posts in here by pvpers whining, and not a single plost from somene crying that because they pay to play the game they shouldn't be subject to pvp.
No, I'm not whining because some kids refuse to gank my 160k EHP Skiff. |

Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
558
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Posted - 2012.10.31 20:32:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote: ...direct us all to the threads started by pvpers crying about not wanting to bring risk to high sec.
Not being picky dude but that would be like a fat kid saying we should close icecream shops and fast food joints. 
"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
424
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Posted - 2012.10.31 20:34:00 -
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Touval Lysander wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote: ...direct us all to the threads started by pvpers crying about not wanting to bring risk to high sec.
Not being picky dude but that would be like a fat kid saying we should close icecream shops and fast food joints.  What in the hell does that even have to do with what I quoted?
Did I miss something? Am I supposed to be rambling off a bunch of unrelated jibberish when I repsond to people?
Should I be responding to you with, well how in the world do you bake a cake without flour? |

Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
558
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Posted - 2012.10.31 20:41:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Touval Lysander wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote: ...direct us all to the threads started by pvpers crying about not wanting to bring risk to high sec.
Not being picky dude but that would be like a fat kid saying we should close icecream shops and fast food joints.  What in the hell does that even have to do with what I quoted? Did I miss something? Am I supposed to be rambling off a bunch of unrelated jibberish when I repsond to people? Should I be responding to you with, well how in the world do you bake a cake without flour? reread your own post snippet. then read mine again.
find the post where pvpers saying they don't want risk. find me a fat kid saying we should close icecream shops.
no? don't get it? shame. it was a well crafted pun.
nvm.
"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
424
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Posted - 2012.10.31 20:42:00 -
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Honestly now,
Go through these threads and read the responces of high sec players trying to argue whey ganking is bad or why high sec should be better than null at almost everything and you'll notice a common trend.
The excuses tend to devolve into a bunch of nonsense that has no real bearing on how the game works, let alone reall issues with a real part of the game that a LOT of people play in.
"becaue I pay to play" "because it's uncivilized" "because a fat kid likes cake"
I understand argueing against serious gameplay changes, but most people in null don't want to nerf the hell out of high sec, we just don't want to be disadvantaged because we choose to play in the part of the game that is entirely player driven.
An awful lot of people act like null is somehow "the bad part".
When exactly have high sec players ever attracted national news coverage and generated nationwide publicity for the game due to their emergent gameplay? That emergent part is the essense of the game, and everytime people talk about how to improve it they're bombarded with people who instead want CCP to do things to reduce that ability. That's not opinion or exageration. I need only look at the threads here in GD to see it as a fact.
Few high sec players actually get it.
I applaud those that do, there's even a few in this thread. |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
2086
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Posted - 2012.10.31 20:45:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Honestly now,
Go through these threads and read the responces of high sec players trying to argue whey ganking is bad or why high sec should be better than null at almost everything and you'll notice a common trend.
The excuses tend to devolve into a bunch of nonsense that has no real bearing on how the game works, let alone reall issues with a real part of the game that a LOT of people play in.
"becaue I pay to play" "because it's uncivilized" "because a fat kid likes cake" Don't forget "because letting maniacs run an arms factory in a civilized area's backyard keeps the game setting logical" and "because i will beat u up at fanfest 4 calling me noob" |

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
424
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Posted - 2012.10.31 20:46:00 -
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Touval Lysander wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:Touval Lysander wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote: ...direct us all to the threads started by pvpers crying about not wanting to bring risk to high sec.
Not being picky dude but that would be like a fat kid saying we should close icecream shops and fast food joints.  What in the hell does that even have to do with what I quoted? Did I miss something? Am I supposed to be rambling off a bunch of unrelated jibberish when I repsond to people? Should I be responding to you with, well how in the world do you bake a cake without flour? reread your own post snippet. then read mine again. you said - find the post where pvpers saying they don't want risk. i said - find me a fat kid saying we should close icecream shops. no? don't get it? shame. it was a well crafted pun. nvm. do you even know what a ******* pun is? Apparently not going off what you wrote.
Your ANALOGY wasn't fitting to what I wrote. It's ok though, a lot of people make that mistake because a pun like whit is a sign of intelligence. |

KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
987
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Posted - 2012.10.31 20:46:00 -
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CCP should advertise the potential isk/hr of a mining fleet, that would bring in the subscribers for sure. www.minerbumping.com - because your tears are delicious |

Lord Zim
1896
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Posted - 2012.10.31 20:46:00 -
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and don't forget "if you gank defenseless ships in hisec, you're a sociopath". Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. |

Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
558
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Posted - 2012.10.31 20:46:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:"because a fat kid likes cake"
...but most people in null don't want to nerf the hell out of high sec ...we just don't want to be disadvantaged because we choose to play in the part of the game that is entirely player driven.
It was icecream.
Only the CFC guys want it changed because Mittens said so. Given you only have 49.5% of null, that's not most. Correct.
Reread that last line and tell me how that might relate to a highsec carebear. Go on. Put the carebear hat on and reread it. See anything?
"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
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FeralShadow
Black Storm Cartel
165
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Posted - 2012.10.31 20:47:00 -
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"If I never had to go to highsec, I wouldn't. It is your continual whines about needing your little corner of the world buffed that lead to my little corner being destitute. So I will kill you for it. "
This oh my god, for the love of god, this! You directly or indirectly influence every aspect of this game whether you do so intentionally or not. We cannot leave you alone, because you never leave us alone. Playing this game assuming nobody will bother you because you "aren't bothering anybody" is a fallacy. Shift click to open new window. How the Eve Sandbox Works:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=482176#post482176 "I believe in karma. That's why whenever I do something sh**ty to others, they somehow deserved it." |

Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
216
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Posted - 2012.10.31 20:49:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:I applaud those that do, there's even a few in this thread.
Probably alts of nullseccers.
The main problem is "CCP, pay me to gank these miners" mentality. |

Lord Zim
1896
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Posted - 2012.10.31 20:50:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:The main problem is "CCP, pay me to gank these miners" mentality. Who said that? Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. |
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