Nah. What's happening is that Jorma does the only thing he ever can do: he lies. When cornered by his lies, he invents more lies, be they in the form of made-up arguments and quotes in a desperate attempt to make people fall for a red herring so he can introduce a yet more lies and maybe not be called on those too.

No it wouldn't. Because MANUFACTURING COSTS ARE NEGLIGIBLE, and more slots doesn't inherently help either.

Okay, obviously we're not going to agree, but let me make one last attempt to at least clarify my position. I don't think high sec should have all the advantages. Far from it. As you've said, there are distinct advantages to unsettled areas (most having to do with untapped resources). There are also advantages to long-settled areas. One of the advantages that historically and logically goes hand in hand with settled areas is industry. In the industrial revolution, city people didn't go out to the wilderness looking for factory jobs, but rather the other way around, because that's where the factories were. Gold Rush era western towns didn't tend to have large manufacturing districts. In null sec, you are effectively building your own factory, and yes, there are greater costs associated with it, and with building it so far from established support infrastructure. Perhaps one of the things CCP should do is make building infrastructure to add many more factories possible, but I just don't see the logic in making null better than high in industry.

It seems like you want all the advantages of high sec for null sec. No one should have everything. Did anyone ever think that perhaps, just perhaps, CCP wants both areas populated, each with it's own advantages that make at least some sense in context of the setting?

Technically, "making more isk" isn't a "play styel".

Neither is "playing in high sec"

Nor should the safest part of the game have the most advantages; which it does.

Oh god, now he's going to harp on and on about how he mined ice for free for his POS again.

Going to disagree here as those who are objectively after increases in isk will often play the game accordingly, making an analysis of different professions to find the most return while other would be more inclined to just do what they like. While this could coincide with the highest paying activities it in no way needs to and realistically won't as you will likely not be doing the activity in the optimum fashion.

Again going to disagree as highsec mechanics cause people to interact differently than they would in other areas of space. If what you fly, where you fly it, how you fit it and how you fly it don't constitute a change in playstyle i'm not sure what does.

I can agree with that

Tech...

I'm asking my 8-ball for if there's any point to your post. It's telling me to ask again later.

Being an industrialist is a play style.

Being a pvper is a play style.

Being a mission runner is a play styel.

Being an explorer is a play style.

Playing the market isn't a play style.

Earning isk is a reward, and in null, as an industrialist, you're rewarded far less than in high sec.

It's going up. 150k isk/unit

You might want to try that lie again.

Jita IV - Moon 4 - Caldari Navy Assembly Plant 150,000.00 30,000 2013-01-05 10-31 21:41:28

Jita IV - Moon 4 - Caldari Navy Assembly Plant 150,000.00 30,000 2013-01-05 10-31 21:41:28

ruh roh, Jorma done goofed

This is a milestone event.

This is a milestone event.

I'm not entirely sure that miles go past with quite that frequency.

[Indeed. I owned a cat, a horse, 3 budgies and a dog once. I am therefore a vet. (<< pun intended)

Natsett: Serious questions for a change.

1: On one hand you say Null has the ore resources that should be enticing HS miners down to reap riches beyond their wildest dreams. I've heard rumors yrs ago about Trit 'roids the size of small moons. If so: why aren't your corps/alliances mining them then ( besides the obvious ABC ones )? Seems more like all of you can't be arsed to do it, but yet you want to paint the situation as the best opportunity ever for the HS miners.

2: If your manufacturing environment is so lacking: why aren't the big Null power blocks pushing CCP harder for improvements? You've said parts of your space are just as safe and just as civilized as places in HS. You've settled it. You've improved it. Why shouldn't the game ( and CCP ) reflect those achievements. You've even had solid representation on the CSM to champion your cause. If CCP hasn't addressed these imbalances: how is it the HS players "fault"? I for one am all for the NullSec folks have nice toys too BTW.

3: Lots of ideas being posted in these threads about pushing HS'ers into Null. As somebody who approached 2 Null corps and got blow off ( by a group from a forum I used to frequent ) and then jerked around, etc. from another corp ( that one only cost me 500mil ): why should I give a Rats F'in Ass about Null? Why should I bother wasting one more second of my time ( both in and out of game ) to seriously think about playing in Null and finding out what it's like? Even when we make serious inquiries we get 'dumped' on. Seriously - Why. Should. We. Care?

[quote=Touval Lysander][Indeed. I owned a cat, a horse, 3 budgies and a dog once. I am therefore a vet. (<< pun intended) /quote]

good thing mittens doesn't read these forums or we'd end up with him feeling compelled to get a horse

"Oh man I just rode MY HORSE" "Let me tell you about MY HORSE" "brb gonna go get some horseshoes, you know, for MY HORSE"

it's like it's 2008 all over again

Enjoying active and realized danger vs minimizing risk for a more casual experience is also a playstyle.

Actually I'm going to say that yes, it is..

I apologize, my hands don't always type what I want them. I have a nerve problem.

is not isn't.

Wrong.


Emergent gameplay? Hunting covops ships you can't know whether or not is in system?

Right.

But you were complaining and I thought that would be the best solution. Now you don't want it?

How did Goons become the establishment anyway?

Natsett: Serious questions for a change.

1: On one hand you say Null has the ore resources that should be enticing HS miners down to reap riches beyond their wildest dreams. I've heard rumors yrs ago about Trit 'roids the size of small moons. If so: why aren't your corps/alliances mining them then ( besides the obvious ABC ones )? Seems more like all of you can't be arsed to do it, but yet you want to paint the situation as the best opportunity ever for the HS miners.

2: If your manufacturing environment is so lacking: why aren't the big Null power blocks pushing CCP harder for improvements? You've said parts of your space are just as safe and just as civilized as places in HS. You've settled it. You've improved it. Why shouldn't the game ( and CCP ) reflect those achievements. You've even had solid representation on the CSM to champion your cause. If CCP hasn't addressed these imbalances: how is it the HS players "fault"? I for one am all for the NullSec folks have nice toys too BTW.

3: Lots of ideas being posted in these threads about pushing HS'ers into Null. As somebody who approached 2 Null corps and got blow off ( by a group from a forum I used to frequent ) and then jerked around, etc. from another corp ( that one only cost me 500mil ): why should I give a Rats F'in Ass about Null? Why should I bother wasting one more second of my time ( both in and out of game ) to seriously think about playing in Null and finding out what it's like? Even when we make serious inquiries we get 'dumped' on. Seriously - Why. Should. We. Care?