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Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.05 18:45:00 -
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Every so often I run afoul of the ISDs with my main... |
Khergit Deserters
Gallente Federation
170
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Posted - 2012.11.05 18:51:00 -
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So I can test out questionably humorous jokes. Humor is risky business. My main can't take the chance of having a bad joke fall flat. |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
358
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Posted - 2012.11.05 19:47:00 -
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Qin Tawate wrote:
It is very simple. Votes in democracy are annoynous, too. Why?
Because it should be a personal decision, not forced by a bigger group or clan, what you vote for. If somebody gives you a choice, then it should be an honest choice. In many dictatorships votes are public and the dictator gets 99%. Then he is reelect with 99% - glorious result.
In a forum I like annonymity, because you can take it personal or not. You can stay on topic or you can try to fill these neutral Character with the picture of your enemy in your head. If somebody tries to be personal, argue ad hominem, it is often very funny, if it is against a neutral char. For example you do not agree with a Goon. The average Goon troll thinks then you do not like all Goons and therefore are from AAA or NCdot or something like that. They quickly jump to wrong conclusions, which make them look ridiculous.
Ummmm voting is anonymous, as you quite rightly said, to stop people from coercing you to vote.
However how many TV presenters, news readers or otherwise other people in the mainstream media that voice their opinions do so anonymously? None, because an opinion without context is worthless. Even if you use a handle on the internet and I have no idea who you really are your persistent identity allows me to decide whether or not I think you know what you're on about.
Comparing posting on a forum, especially one about a video game, to the right to vote anonymously is stretching it a bit.
"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
Caillyn Gekko
Industry and Investments NZAU Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.11.05 19:58:00 -
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Why do I post with an Alt?
So I can say whatever I like without fear of retribution. So I can troll the forums and not have such glorious poasts linked to my main. Because I can. Because I want to. Why not? |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
1096
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Posted - 2012.11.05 20:00:00 -
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i have no alts a eve-style bounty system https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105 You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
Metal Icarus
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
348
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Posted - 2012.11.05 20:09:00 -
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I do not post with an Alt and it got me kicked out of a corp in tribal band.
To hell with the consequences (everytime I post, this goes through my mind.).
At least I stick to my principals.
(yeah.... e-dignity... its a thing... I guess) |
Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
207
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Posted - 2012.11.05 20:34:00 -
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Bienator II wrote:i have no alts
I have nothing but alts.
I post with others as well.
You might as well ask why there are multiple character slots. |
Dar Manic
Republic University Minmatar Republic
35
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Posted - 2012.11.05 20:35:00 -
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Metal Icarus wrote:I do not post with an Alt and it got me kicked out of a corp in tribal band.
To hell with the consequences (everytime I post, this goes through my mind.).
At least I stick to my principals.
(yeah.... e-dignity... its a thing... I guess)
So posting with an alt requires you to give up your principles?
EVE encourages asshats and allows/encourages griefing... why would you want to post with your main so they can ruin EVE for you? You can be honest and forthright with an alt just as easily as a main. Depends more on the person posting... I just don't understand null sec players.
Please note: Anytime I use the phrase PvP in a post, I'm talking about shooting/combat/killing things/blowing things up.-á Thank you. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5480
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Posted - 2012.11.05 20:36:00 -
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Dar Manic wrote:So posting with an alt requires you to give up your principles?
EVE encourages asshats and allows/encourages griefing... why would you want to post with your main so they can ruin EVE for you? You can be honest and forthright with an alt just as easily as a main. Depends more on the person posting...
so you're bowing to the superior players and posting with an alt to hide from the consequences at the expense of all credibility
gj ~*a-áproud belligerent undesirable*~
TheMittani.com |
Qin Tawate
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.11.05 21:01:00 -
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Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:Qin Tawate wrote:
It is very simple. Votes in democracy are annoynous, too. Why?
Because it should be a personal decision, not forced by a bigger group or clan, what you vote for. If somebody gives you a choice, then it should be an honest choice. In many dictatorships votes are public and the dictator gets 99%. Then he is reelect with 99% - glorious result.
In a forum I like annonymity, because you can take it personal or not. You can stay on topic or you can try to fill these neutral Character with the picture of your enemy in your head. If somebody tries to be personal, argue ad hominem, it is often very funny, if it is against a neutral char. For example you do not agree with a Goon. The average Goon troll thinks then you do not like all Goons and therefore are from AAA or NCdot or something like that. They quickly jump to wrong conclusions, which make them look ridiculous.
Ummmm voting is anonymous, as you quite rightly said, to stop people from coercing you to vote. However how many TV presenters, news readers or otherwise other people in the mainstream media that voice their opinions do so anonymously? None, because an opinion without context is worthless. Even if you use a handle on the internet and I have no idea who you really are your persistent identity allows me to decide whether or not I think you know what you're on about. Comparing posting on a forum, especially one about a video game, to the right to vote anonymously is stretching it a bit.
TV presenters and media ppl are attention whores by nature. They say their name as often as thy can, because it is all about their name. Selling their media and name dropping. That is their business. It is not so much about what they say. You right, whatever information you get, you set it in a context. But you can cencentrate more on the topic, when you not see at the same time say the big ******* of a women or Obama in a **** costume. Many ads use celebrities as incensitives. The product was the same, before and after the ad. Often cult of a personality happens to distract from other things. You are free to pick between cult of personality or say, it does not matter, lets see, what we got on topic.
For example in Eve:
We have something like Fows news. It is the Mittani Fox News. They try to condidion their lemmings on this triple A is all bogus formula since months. They do not care, what exactly is bad or not. Same in real war btw. if you want to condition a soldier to kill somebody. They just put everybody of the other side in one bag and beat on it. To make this happen, they have to avoid giving them a chance to defend themselves and say their opinion. So you have on one side the Mittani cult and on the other side the Makalu cult - only for Russian speakers. These guys for sure do not want you to be anonymous. These guys only want to know one thing: Is this person with me or against me? blue or red/neutral. This selfish attitude does not do you any good, when you want to discuss jsut the game and not their boring politics.
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Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
207
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Posted - 2012.11.05 21:05:00 -
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Andski wrote:[quote=Dar Manic]... posting with an alt to hide from the consequences at the expense of all credibility
gj
What's your name?
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Metal Icarus
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
348
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Posted - 2012.11.05 21:10:00 -
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Dar Manic wrote:Metal Icarus wrote:I do not post with an Alt and it got me kicked out of a corp in tribal band.
To hell with the consequences (everytime I post, this goes through my mind.).
At least I stick to my principals.
(yeah.... e-dignity... its a thing... I guess) So posting with an alt requires you to give up your principles? EVE encourages asshats and allows/encourages griefing... why would you want to post with your main so they can ruin EVE for you? You can be honest and forthright with an alt just as easily as a main. Depends more on the person posting...
if I am going to grief, troll, be a general asshat and scam someone, offend an entire coalition, I would like the person/ppl that i am offending to generate some type of game content for me.
it's a game, if I anger you, try to make me play the game your way. If you lose, you tried, if you win, I tried.
in the end it doesn't matter anyways, so might as well try to make a splash.
Also, if i did this with an alt all the possible game content is driven towards a fake character, so it goes nowhere.
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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
1097
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Posted - 2012.11.05 21:22:00 -
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Malphilos wrote:Bienator II wrote:i have no alts I have nothing but alts. I post with others as well. You might as well ask why there are multiple character slots. but i did not ask a eve-style bounty system https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105 You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
207
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Posted - 2012.11.05 22:03:00 -
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Bienator II wrote:Malphilos wrote:Bienator II wrote:i have no alts I have nothing but alts. I post with others as well. You might as well ask why there are multiple character slots. but i did not ask
You're right, should say: "The OP might as well ask..."
Sorry.
Unless you're my alt in which case, shut up. |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
1097
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Posted - 2012.11.05 22:14:00 -
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Malphilos wrote:Bienator II wrote:Malphilos wrote:Bienator II wrote:i have no alts I have nothing but alts. I post with others as well. You might as well ask why there are multiple character slots. but i did not ask You're right, should say: "The OP might as well ask..." Sorry. Unless you're my alt in which case, shut up.
i think you do not listen. i said i have no alts. This implies that i can't be your alt. a eve-style bounty system https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105 You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
Beekeeper Bob
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
276
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Posted - 2012.11.05 23:02:00 -
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Since EvE is noted for it's meta-gaming, why would you expect the forums to be different?
Anonymity is prized on the internet, so adding layers to it would be the most obvious meta-gaming ploy.
"CCP, is a cutting edge developer, they have found a way to sell lag to their customers, and make them believe it's a feature." |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
733
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Posted - 2012.11.05 23:11:00 -
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Does it really matter?
Content of post is what counts. This is not a signature. |
Smiknight
The Plebian Republic
31
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Posted - 2012.11.05 23:40:00 -
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See, I'm in an interesting quandary in that, psychologically speaking, I really don't have a main. Out of the couple of toons I have, neither feels like a main to me. The main I did have, I sold months ago, and this has lead to an almost insteresting lack of identity. Thus, none of my toons feel like...me. As a result, none of my toons are an alt, because I do not identify with any of them on a level deeper than the plans I have for them. It is disheartening to see a game once steeped in cerebral thought and innovative thinking become so homogenized by entitlement and malaise; that indidviduals should instill a theme park existence through a lack of desire to overcome any and all obstacles and instead demand things be made easier for them via nerfs. |
Freezehunter
318
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Posted - 2012.11.05 23:50:00 -
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I never post with alts, and I don't even have any.
I've been bullied, harrassed, wardecced, betrayed, backstabbed, and many other things because of that but you know what? It's a ******* game after all is said and done...
I generally consider people that post with alts to be complete ******* cowards that are not worth the steam off my ****, and their words are nothing but noise to me.
If you can't post on a game forum with your main character because you are afraid of consequences (LOL!), then I can imagine what sort of spineless ***** you are in reality, and personally I have a massive hate and disgust towards cowards in general.
That is why I hate campers in FPS games, as I am a rusher / flanker / twitcher by nature. That is why I HATE station games and the undock bullshit and idiots that dock before the timer runs out so that they don't lose their shiny ****. That is why I hate shitheads that brag about how much more awesome they are than me at PVP, because their killboard is so padded with kills made by the Drake blobs they constantly fly with. That is why I hate thieves and liars and spies, the do nothing but make everyone else a paranoid idiot and create a **** environment to play in for those of us who apply RL morals in this game.
That is why I hate alts.
/endrant Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom. |
Natasha Liao
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.11.06 05:48:00 -
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Freezehunter wrote:An exception to this hate I have for alts are people like Chribba, who have to have alts in order to run certain services or promotions or events, like the Eve Search Logger alt he has, and Chribba Claus, who is used for Christmas events. That, and the EOH guys, and the eve radio DJs, etc...
/endrant This must be the soundtrack to your life -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byEGjLU2egA |
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Zindela
Aegeonix Systems
59
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Posted - 2012.11.06 08:48:00 -
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I started posting with an alt for reasons I don't remember. I think it had something to do with default forum settings. However, this alt, and my main are both in the same corporation, which has a total of 4 members.
If someone was interested, it would probably take less than 5 minutes to figure out who my main is.
I started posting with this character, and for the sake of keeping a consistent persona on the forums, I still post with Zin.
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Sentamon
232
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Posted - 2012.11.06 12:22:00 -
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Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:
Just curious to see why there are people out there who post on here with a forum alt, as I genuinely don't know why you would want to hide who you are.
Because it bugs people.
About the only decent reason to do anything in this world. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
68
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Posted - 2012.11.06 12:31:00 -
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Because my main is a member of an NPC corp and it reduces my legitimacy as an honest poster to post with what looks like an NPC alt, so I made sure that my posting alt is a member of a respected null-sec alliance.
It's true! |
Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
208
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Posted - 2012.11.06 12:50:00 -
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Bienator II wrote:Malphilos wrote:Bienator II wrote:Malphilos wrote:Bienator II wrote:i have no alts I have nothing but alts. I post with others as well. You might as well ask why there are multiple character slots. but i did not ask You're right, should say: "The OP might as well ask..." Sorry. Unless you're my alt in which case, shut up. i think you do not listen. i said i have no alts. This implies that i can't be your alt.
You said you didn't have one, not that you weren't one.
tl;dr: Prove it.
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Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
242
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Posted - 2012.11.06 14:15:00 -
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To me, no different than having a lawyer do the talking. People hate lawyers by proxy, so I can deflect any forum hatred that may turn into a wardec. Not that a wardec from forum combat is a likely possibility ... |
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