Just curious to see why there are people out there who post on here with a forum alt, as I genuinely don't know why you would want to hide who you are.

Does your alliance or corp not let you post on these forums? If so why are you with them?

Is it because you fear retribution (lol) for your opinions? Why do you think everyone dislikes your opinions?

Is it because you're a massive troll? If so, why are you Snot Shot/a GRRRR Goon?

This is a legit question, and definitely not a troll post or a rant.

I, on the other hand, don't give 2 f*cks left of Wednesday and always post with my main...

Can I borrow this saying?

The question was answered in this thread

Just curious to see why there are people out there who post on here with a forum alt, as I genuinely don't know why you would want to hide who you are.

Does your alliance or corp not let you post on these forums? If so why are you with them?

Is it because you fear retribution (lol) for your opinions? Why do you think everyone dislikes your opinions?

Is it because you're a massive troll? If so, why are you Snot Shot/a GRRRR Goon?

This is a legit question, and definitely not a troll post or a rant.

I post on an alt because my main has infiltrated a null corp.

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Which corp did you infiltrate?

So I assume after you burn out/get caught/whatever you'll post with your main?

Which corp did you infiltrate?

Me! I'm an alt! I had to log out my main and log in the monkey just so I could be the coolest alt in the alt thread!
I mostly post with my main these days, but I'm never far away if the forum needs more monkeys!

Just curious to see why there are people out there who post on here with a forum alt, as I genuinely don't know why you would want to hide who you are.

Does your alliance or corp not let you post on these forums? If so why are you with them?

Is it because you fear retribution (lol) for your opinions? Why do you think everyone dislikes your opinions?

Is it because you're a massive troll? If so, why are you Snot Shot/a GRRRR Goon?

This is a legit question, and definitely not a troll post or a rant.

We probably need you to define whatever your narrow definition of *Main* and *Alt* are. Is it highest SP 'Toon? My highest SP ATM gets logged in about 10 min max to check some orders and clicky-clicky some Farmville. Haven't even un-docked him for weeks. Oldest 'Toon? My oldest 'Toon got tossed on the Bio heap back in the beginning of '08. He was from back in the old days when your profession assigned your initial SP's. Noob + Zero Knowledge == Biomass yourself Noaw Character.

Are we going with 'Most Fun to Play'? Then this one. Less than 1mil SP's, *really* miss having lots of lvl4 and 5 skills ( I feel your pain Shiroh ) and yet this is some of the most fun I've had in Eve for years. I wish RL wasn't cutting into the time I can sit and play Eve ATM. I heard frigs calling to be blown up ( most likely mine... ) and I need to be in them.

Removed contentless posts from the thread. If you want to reply, make sure the reply actually has some sort of substance.

Dumb question.

I have a question for you: do you use out of corp scout alts? Why? Same reason of course. You want to fool your enemies. You don't want them to know who you are until the last possible moment before you destroy them.

I can rattle off at least a dozen legitimate reasons to post with an alt. Most have been covered here already. The real legitimate question is why on earth would anyone post with their main? Or make a big deal about it? Only one reason. EGO. There is the whole Ayn Rand thing, of course.

Because I don't mind standing by what I stay on here?

Anyone who disagrees with me is free to do so, anyone who agrees is also free to do so. Those people may dislike me, or even become a space friend, some may even try to kill me (in game only hopefully) due to those opinions.

Either way, I wouldn't post something unless I was going to stand by it.

So you are agreeing with me then? Good.

No?

I don't get an ego boost from posting on the forums, funnily enough I like discussing things with people and coming to recognise people who post with their own opinions too. You know, to build a community? Even the people I don't like but post with their main characters I respect a lot more then any posting alt.

But you are proving my point. It is all about your self importance and the percieved worth of your personal opinion. Which is not necesarily a bad thing. Just strange to deny.

Simply being fine with being recognised as your own personal self with your own opinions and accepting the consequences of publicly stating those opinions I don't feel is egotistical, in fact I think it's essential to being a person at all.

I'm not hiding behind an alt personally because I don't feel I have to; my question is why do you think you'll be persecuted for your opinions if you don't post under an alt?

Maybe it's because your opinions are formed on flawed logic, and only you can't see it? Or maybe you don't believe in what you're saying enough to be associated with it anyway and damn the consequences?

Or maybe you're part of an alliance that bans you from posting, in which case why are you a part of it if it bans you from doing what you want?

Just curious to see why there are people out there who post on here with a forum alt, as I genuinely don't know why you would want to hide who you are.

I'd say that if you had all your alts in one place, and you were told you can only be one of them forever and never have any more alts, the one you pick is your main.

Because I dont want my corp or alliance to get wardecd if my post may offend. There are vengeful players who think that all opinions that are different that their own are wrong and those people should be punished.

I think a lot of people are afraid of the consequences of posting the ******** they do on the forums, so they post it on NPC corp alts. They're too afraid to stand up and openly declare "this is who I am, and this is what I believe."

Just curious to see why there are people out there who post on here with a forum alt, as I genuinely don't know why you would want to hide who you are.

Does your alliance or corp not let you post on these forums? If so why are you with them?

Is it because you fear retribution (lol) for your opinions? Why do you think everyone dislikes your opinions?

Is it because you're a massive troll? If so, why are you Snot Shot/a GRRRR Goon?

This is a legit question, and definitely not a troll post or a rant.

Ask your fearless Queen, he seems to have quite a few.....

As for 'worth' of an Alts opinion: as I've said - an opinion/idea doesn't become any more or less relevant/interesting based on some arbitrary number of SP's, a born on date, or any corp membership. You might be surprised what this 10/8/2012 'Alt' could tell you about scanning for instance or living in a WH. Some of us just come here for to exchange ideas, info or a laugh or three. My impression of a few groups/individuals has changed over the years because of it ( both positive and negative ). It's also good to see things from somebody else's perspective on a nerf/buff/etc and see why it might be a good, bad or who cares idea. One persons 'Small Nerf' can actually be a 'Kinda Big Thing' to others.

Pro tip: This doesn't actually happen.

I not only post on an alt but I periodically replace them so that I will be 10x more untraceable 10x more like ninja.

Are you not worried that your opinions will be dismissed out of hand because no-one will know/believe what experience you have of EVE and that your opinions are based on experience and totally not made up?

Alt posting requires two mental conditions: cowardice, and stupidity.*snip*

So which corp is it?

I am always entertained by this subject, although I have to agree with the succinct comment "search function. use it."

What is a main character? The one who's training? Do I need to switch the character I post on if I switch my main? Did you come here to read posts and have discussions or did you come here to determine if someone is an alt and try to undermine what they say with "post on your main". Maybe it was my main. Maybe it will be next week. Is there some reason you can't just read the post and consider the merits of it on its own? If I have multiple accounts, do I need to tell you who all the main characters are?

I am always entertained by this subject, although I have to agree with the succinct comment "search function. use it."

What is a main character? The one who's training? Do I need to switch the character I post on if I switch my main? Did you come here to read posts and have discussions or did you come here to determine if someone is an alt and try to undermine what they say with "post on your main". Maybe it was my main. Maybe it will be next week. Is there some reason you can't just read the post and consider the merits of it on its own? If I have multiple accounts, do I need to tell you who all the main characters are?

This argument seems silly. I don't post on my main, I don't care what you think, it doesn't mean I have to stop posting.

This is a legitimate question.

I'd say that if you had all your alts in one place, and you were told you can only be one of them forever and never have any more alts, the one you pick is your main.

You could say "It's the one you spend the most time on" however if I'm a spy I'm going to spend most the time on my spy alt rather than my "main".

Therefore I'd use the above test.

My "test" earlier was that if you were told you could only have 1 character and all the others will be deleted and you can never have any more alts, which one would you keep? That's your main as you have the most attachment to it.

This thread happened before.

Sadly, there are those who are just toolbags. They have some RL issues... need attention, want to feel important, or have some kind of mental imbalance. They aren't here to offer anything. Call them trolls or just a*******, what they are in the forums to do is find some measure of therapy, or make people feel as bad as they do about themselves.

Which one is the double-boxers main?

I just decided to start posting and chose to do it on an alt because it seems unwise to let pvper's know where you live.
I believe that eve pvper's are predictable in the fact that they will attack those that do not agree and most have little tolerance of other people's opinions.
Most eve pvper's need validation that their values are correct and will attack those that disagree. I see no reason to make that easy for them.

Obviously the one they'd keep. Duh.

I just decided to start posting and chose to do it on an alt because it seems unwise to let pvper's know where you live.
I believe that eve pvper's are predictable in the fact that they will attack those that do not agree and most have little tolerance of other people's opinions.
Most eve pvper's need validation that their values are correct and will attack those that disagree. I see no reason to make that easy for them.

I beg to differ. I have experienced this personally. And where there is one case, there are bound to be others. That is one of the wonderful things about EVE, everything has a consequence eventually

Because you're a nutless bag of s_h_i_t.
Thats why candy asses post with alts.
That is all.

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This is exactly what i was referring to. There are people in this game that do not operate in a logical manner.

Actually I think the poster you quoted is just an idiot...or worse...

Maybe I should ask. What is the value of posting on one of my mains?
What is to gain?

No, I scout on my main.

Because the tactic you have mentioned is so predictable, anyone seeing a "neutral" in system in an NPC corp is going to be suspicious. Especially as that person will be all the way in null without any friends or help etc. So if you see someone hanging around you should be taking note of it anyway.

Spying is different, because it's hard not to get caught if I'm just like "hai guise, can i join ur corp?"


Personally I think that the argument of "of course they want to avoid retribution for being an ass" is a poor one. How about don't be an ass in the first place? Or at least, don't be an ass to anyone who can ruin your day?

It also provides a more "holistic" experience of Eve, for lack of a better word

You scout with your main because an alt might make people suspicious that someone might be hunting them? That makes no sense. You use the alt so that they have zero intel on what's coming for them. You show up and they know everything there is to know, including your favorite fits, friends, etc. Random dude you take note of and do the various things you do to stay alert, but a famous hot dropping corp scoout comes in and you get the hell out now. Why would anyone tip their hand if they didn't have to? What kind of tactical thinking is that?

Because of the ISDs.

Name recognition and its benefits. For example, if I comment on balance in frigate PvP as myself, I have the fact I'm the CEO of a successful frigate PvP corp, plus my killboard (as it may be) backing my arguments up. If I made the same argument using an alt, my credibility would be greatly decreased because of "who the heck is this guy and what qualifies him to whine about the state of the Rifter?"

It also provides a more "holistic" experience of Eve, for lack of a better word. Why isolate different ways to play if not doing so only enhances the experience? Yes, I am counting possible hostile reactions as "enhancement", because Eve is all about conflict. I have alts that I use for things my main simply cannot do (e.g. hisec hauling/trading, running an unbiased gambling operation, etc), but those are last resorts for things I'd love to do on my main, but simply can't.

So, while you ask "what is the value of posting on a main", some instead ask "what is the value of not posting on a main, and how does it compensate for the value lost?"

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I have no desire to whine about anything in eve, and i plan to adapt to whatever changes CCP makes.
I like eve alot just the way it is. I doubt that i will ever need to impress someone with my reputation or accomplishments.
I do not see any reason in trying.

*shrug*

Then you're fine with an alt and all of the "omg alt poster" rage is not really aimed at you. Play the way you want: you want to alt post? Go for it!

On a different note, that "-----" you include in your post always makes your post look like you empty quoted, and your actual post is a forum signature. It's very disconcerting.

Is it because you fear retribution (lol) for your opinions? Why do you think everyone dislikes your opinions?

Are you sure the posting was the primary reason for the dec, or was it just a "face" reason (while the real reason was something else)? I've been part of wars before that were theoretically for ideologic reasons or being "offended", but were in fact just about wanting good fights.

Just curious to see why there are people out there who post on here with a forum alt, as I genuinely don't know why you would want to hide who you are.

I am plenty certain. It was made quite clear that the reason for the in-game aggression was due to my having a vastly differing opinion on a specific subject, and because not only had I stated as much, but that I had refused to "back down".

The discussion on the forums was amicable and lacked a lot of the usual vitriol and e-peen waving usually associated with certain topics, however it seems that the act of opposition itself was enough to engender a longing for retribution in the other person.

As I already stated, everything in EVE has a consequence and that some are more readily apparent than others. Frankly I would not wish it to be any other way.

Just curious to see why there are people out there who post on here with a forum alt, as I genuinely don't know why you would want to hide who you are.

Does your alliance or corp not let you post on these forums? If so why are you with them?

Is it because you fear retribution (lol) for your opinions? Why do you think everyone dislikes your opinions?

Is it because you're a massive troll? If so, why are you Snot Shot/a GRRRR Goon?

This is a legit question, and definitely not a troll post or a rant.

Huh. I learned something new today. I hereby endeavor to be more argumentative so more people shoot me.
No, really, I didn't think retaliation like that was a thing. Fascinating.

Just curious to see why there are people out there who post on here with a forum alt, as I genuinely don't know why you would want to hide who you are.

I don't.

Name recognition and its benefits. For example, if I comment on balance in frigate PvP as myself, I have the fact I'm the CEO of a successful frigate PvP corp, plus my killboard (as it may be) backing my arguments up. If I made the same argument using an alt, my credibility would be greatly decreased because of "who the heck is this guy and what qualifies him to whine about the state of the Rifter?"

If you get some random highsec dudes mad at you, they will often complain about how terrible you are, while boasting about themselves through the guise of a pretend-time-main.

because it pisses off goonwaffe pubbies, cfc and hbc.

I don't post with an alt, however it makes sense for a few reasons.

1) trolling

2) making arguments that may not go over so well with your main's corp/alliance

3) too lazy to switch the posting character

4) hide their main from potential enemies, especially in the C&P section when hiring mercs... at least that used to happen


Me, I don't care too much about all that.

I don't.

Just curious to see why there are people out there who post on here with a forum alt, as I genuinely don't know why you would want to hide who you are.

Does your alliance or corp not let you post on these forums? If so why are you with them?

Is it because you fear retribution (lol) for your opinions? Why do you think everyone dislikes your opinions?

Is it because you're a massive troll? If so, why are you Snot Shot/a GRRRR Goon?

This is a legit question, and definitely not a troll post or a rant.

Because people pidgeonhole you based on the alliance you are in, assuming you are incapable of unbiased opinion, or rather, that everything you say serves an ulterior agenda.

It is very simple. Votes in democracy are annoynous, too. Why?

Because it should be a personal decision, not forced by a bigger group or clan, what you vote for. If somebody gives you a choice, then it should be an honest choice. In many dictatorships votes are public and the dictator gets 99%. Then he is reelect with 99% - glorious result.

In a forum I like annonymity, because you can take it personal or not. You can stay on topic or you can try to fill these neutral Character with the picture of your enemy in your head. If somebody tries to be personal, argue ad hominem, it is often very funny, if it is against a neutral char. For example you do not agree with a Goon. The average Goon troll thinks then you do not like all Goons and therefore are from AAA or NCdot or something like that. They quickly jump to wrong conclusions, which make them look ridiculous.

i have no alts

I do not post with an Alt and it got me kicked out of a corp in tribal band.

To hell with the consequences (everytime I post, this goes through my mind.).

At least I stick to my principals.

(yeah.... e-dignity... its a thing... I guess)

So posting with an alt requires you to give up your principles?

EVE encourages asshats and allows/encourages griefing... why would you want to post with your main so they can ruin EVE for you? You can be honest and forthright with an alt just as easily as a main. Depends more on the person posting...

Ummmm voting is anonymous, as you quite rightly said, to stop people from coercing you to vote.

However how many TV presenters, news readers or otherwise other people in the mainstream media that voice their opinions do so anonymously? None, because an opinion without context is worthless. Even if you use a handle on the internet and I have no idea who you really are your persistent identity allows me to decide whether or not I think you know what you're on about.

Comparing posting on a forum, especially one about a video game, to the right to vote anonymously is stretching it a bit.

[quote=Dar Manic]... posting with an alt to hide from the consequences at the expense of all credibility

gj

So posting with an alt requires you to give up your principles?

EVE encourages asshats and allows/encourages griefing... why would you want to post with your main so they can ruin EVE for you? You can be honest and forthright with an alt just as easily as a main. Depends more on the person posting...

I have nothing but alts.

I post with others as well.

You might as well ask why there are multiple character slots.

but i did not ask

You're right, should say: "The OP might as well ask..."

Sorry.

Unless you're my alt in which case, shut up.

An exception to this hate I have for alts are people like Chribba, who have to have alts in order to run certain services or promotions or events, like the Eve Search Logger alt he has, and Chribba Claus, who is used for Christmas events.
That, and the EOH guys, and the eve radio DJs, etc...


/endrant

Just curious to see why there are people out there who post on here with a forum alt, as I genuinely don't know why you would want to hide who you are.

i think you do not listen. i said i have no alts. This implies that i can't be your alt.