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KSUDruid	Posted - 2005.04.06 20:25:00 - [1] This is the sure to be famous Hauler Incident: 2005.04.05 17:42:00 Victim: Shredder Corporation: Shinra Destroyed Type: Sigil Solar System: KLMT-W System Security Level: 0.0 Involved parties: Name: Cinnander (laid the final blow) Security Status: 2.7 Corporation: Celestial Horizon Corp. Ship Type: Thorax Weapon Type: Heavy Electron Blaster I However, you look just one day before... 2005.04.04 00:05:00 Victim: Hampon Fastidious Corporation: Ion Corp. Destroyed Type: Minmatar Shuttle Solar System: HED-GP System Security Level: 0.0 Involved parties: Name: FunzzeR (laid the final blow) Security Status: -1.6 Corporation: Shinra Ship Type: Rifter Weapon Type: Bloodclaw Light Missile I Name: dResche Security Status: 5.0 Corporation: P.S.I Ship Type: Apocalypse Weapon Type: Unknown Take DDC completely out of the picutre. We did blow up one of your cruisers in HED during this same time period, and immediately apologized and compensated the pilot. Shinra Started This. Remeber, This new curse whatever is the group of professional PVPers. XETIC is just a bunch of carebears. The burden was on you all. After XF took that loss, XF responded by making an announcement that we would not tolerate their aggression with the formation of the SCA. The Coalition takes a loss, they respond by declaring all out war on XETIC. It's totally obvious XF was setup, yet again. I really want to believe ATUK when they say they had no plans of attacking us, but when It's this painfully obvious of a setup, I just can't. I would hope everyone is smart enough to see that. Personally, alot of us don't care that the fight is on. But your continual Claims that ya'll are the good guys is a load of crap. XF have never been the agressors, and we weren't this time either. We ARE the good guys. -Druid "Civis Ascendant"
Kayosoni	Posted - 2005.04.06 20:30:00 - [2] I am sure that Xetic incurring the loss of one whole shuttle has entirely decimated their offensive power. The Xetic fleet has been dealt a serious blow. ----------------------------------- Currently Playing Lineage 2 - Erica Server
aeti	Posted - 2005.04.06 20:31:00 - [3] Originally by: KSUDruid However, you look just one day before... 2005.04.04 00:05:00 Victim: Hampon Fastidious Corporation: Ion Corp. Destroyed Type: Minmatar Shuttle Solar System: HED-GP System Security Level: 0.0 Involved parties: Name: FunzzeR (laid the final blow) Security Status: -1.6 Corporation: Shinra Ship Type: Rifter Weapon Type: Bloodclaw Light Missile I Name: dResche Security Status: 5.0 Corporation: P.S.I Ship Type: Apocalypse Weapon Type: Unknown P.S.I are SE you going to attack them as well? :/
Kim Wu	Posted - 2005.04.06 20:33:00 - [4] a (abandoned?) shuttle loss with SE also on the kill mail well over a day before CYVOK's new SCA formed. Xetic broke the nap first after the SCA was formed. You are the agressors removes xetic knife from back ----------------------------------
dokkillo	Posted - 2005.04.06 20:34:00 - [5] Why Xetic no attack SE too? PSI attack your members.. :P
KSUDruid	Posted - 2005.04.06 20:35:00 - [6] It's not the point. I'm sure shredder had a whole lot of tritanium on board. It was still an attack. You started this. -Druid "Civis Ascendant"
NAFnist	Posted - 2005.04.06 20:35:00 - [7] Originally by: Kayosoni I am sure that Xetic incurring the loss of one whole shuttle has entirely decimated their offensive power. The Xetic fleet has been dealt a serious blow. You could say the same about the hauler _____________
Damajink	Posted - 2005.04.06 20:37:00 - [8] Events, in chronological order 1. Shinra blow up a XETIC shuttle 2. CYVOK posts about the SCA - 'If there is to be a war, Xetic will not fire first and will honour the +5 standings to the coalition corps'. 3. XETIC blow up a Shinra hauler, thereby anulling the NAP 4. War is declared on the coalition corporations by XETIC Sorry, what was your point again?
Chowdown	Posted - 2005.04.06 20:38:00 - [9] Originally by: KSUDruid This is the sure to be famous Hauler Incident: 2005.04.05 17:42:00 Victim: Shredder Corporation: Shinra Destroyed Type: Sigil Solar System: KLMT-W System Security Level: 0.0 Involved parties: Name: Cinnander (laid the final blow) Security Status: 2.7 Corporation: Celestial Horizon Corp. Ship Type: Thorax Weapon Type: Heavy Electron Blaster I However, you look just one day before... 2005.04.04 00:05:00 Victim: Hampon Fastidious Corporation: Ion Corp. Destroyed Type: Minmatar Shuttle Solar System: HED-GP System Security Level: 0.0 Involved parties: Name: FunzzeR (laid the final blow) Security Status: -1.6 Corporation: Shinra Ship Type: Rifter Weapon Type: Bloodclaw Light Missile I Name: dResche Security Status: 5.0 Corporation: P.S.I Ship Type: Apocalypse Weapon Type: Unknown Take DDC completely out of the picutre. We did blow up one of your cruisers in HED during this same time period, and immediately apologized and compensated the pilot. Shinra Started This. Remeber, This new curse whatever is the group of professional PVPers. XETIC is just a bunch of carebears. The burden was on you all. After XF took that loss, XF responded by making an announcement that we would not tolerate their aggression with the formation of the SCA. The Coalition takes a loss, they respond by declaring all out war on XETIC. It's totally obvious XF was setup, yet again. I really want to believe ATUK when they say they had no plans of attacking us, but when It's this painfully obvious of a setup, I just can't. I would hope everyone is smart enough to see that. Personally, alot of us don't care that the fight is on. But your continual Claims that ya'll are the good guys is a load of crap. XF have never been the agressors, and we weren't this time either. We ARE the good guys. LMFAO after XETIC lost a shuttle, they attempted to allie with the entire of eve. Paranoid! New Shinra Kill system, please be patient were still ironing out the finer points!!
Tobiaz	Posted - 2005.04.06 20:38:00 - [10] Edited by: Tobiaz on 06/04/2005 20:41:18 Originally by: KSUDruid After XF took that loss, XF responded by making an announcement that we would not tolerate their aggression with the formation of the SCA. Many people were not really liking XETIC the last months because of their arrogance and amount of whining on the forums. For a lot of the people, that statement alone was enough to go to war and learn XETIC they over-estimated their influence and strength. But when you guys shot the Sigil, there was no way the Directors, who were still a bit cautious because of possible unforseen consequences, could not deny their members fighting XETIC. Like Icarus you tried to fly higher and higher until your own hubris finally caught up with you. Now let's see how well you guys can swim...
KSUDruid	Posted - 2005.04.06 20:41:00 - [11] The Nap was already annulled, when you attacked us. Instead of declaring all out war on you guys, we declare intentions with the SCA. CLS attacked shredder's hauler. You declare all out war. You make no effort to be compensated you don't declare intentions, you just get ahold of XETIC leadership, tell us it's on, and 1 hour later you're in immensea attacking. Just one big setup... YOU Started this. -Druid "Civis Ascendant"
Tobiaz	Posted - 2005.04.06 20:42:00 - [12] Edited by: Tobiaz on 06/04/2005 20:45:56 Originally by: Chowdown LMFAO after XETIC lost a shuttle, they attempted to allie with the entire of eve. Paranoid! Well not really paranoid, since half of EVE could foresee this day would come. XETIC was just asking for it. So to be totally honest, XETIC brought this upon theirselves. Half of EVE dislikes them, we're just delivering the message.
Eli Whitney	Posted - 2005.04.06 20:44:00 - [13] Originally by: KSUDruid You make no effort to be compensated you don't declare intentions, you just get ahold of XETIC leadership, tell us it's on, and 1 hour later you're in immensea attacking. Just one big setup... YOU Started this. Deja vu, anyone?
Damajink	Posted - 2005.04.06 20:45:00 - [14] Originally by: KSUDruid The Nap was already annulled, when you attacked us. Instead of declaring all out war on you guys, we declare intentions with the SCA. CLS attacked shredder's hauler. You declare all out war. You make no effort to be compensated you don't declare intentions, you just get ahold of XETIC leadership, tell us it's on, and 1 hour later you're in immensea attacking. Just one big setup... YOU Started this. If the NAP was anulled then why did you try to setup the SCA? You could have refused to try and just let the war happen. Instead, you declared your intentions to honour the NAP (and no mention of this shuttle incident was made), and you later go on to break your word.
Hastrabull	Posted - 2005.04.06 20:46:00 - [15] Originally by: KSUDruid The Nap was already annulled, when you attacked us. Instead of declaring all out war on you guys, we declare intentions with the SCA. CLS attacked shredder's hauler. You declare all out war. You make no effort to be compensated you don't declare intentions, you just get ahold of XETIC leadership, tell us it's on, and 1 hour later you're in immensea attacking. Just one big setup... YOU Started this. Pls dont try to look yourself more lame then you are. Its pathetic Xetic initiated hostilities between Curse Coalition and Xetic. Xetic are responsible for this war. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
Righteous Fury	Posted - 2005.04.06 20:47:00 - [16] I think I'm definitely going with "omgbuhu".
alt111	Posted - 2005.04.06 20:51:00 - [17] this war is total bull.... shinra and atuk just wanted to have some fun that's all . and everyone! everyone in EVE knows that, so no matter how much you atuk and shinra guys say that it was XF fault...i dont think anyone would think it is actualy true. no one goes in to the war because of the sigil. your ego is just too big thats all.
Chowdown	Posted - 2005.04.06 20:53:00 - [18] Erm I beleive that XETIC's ego was the problem when they thought they could get away with killing shreddie poo. New Shinra Kill system, please be patient were still ironing out the finer points!!
KSUDruid	Posted - 2005.04.06 20:53:00 - [19] We declared the SCA because we tried to be the good guys. We've always tried to be the good guys. Did ya'll even investigate the hauler accident or just all out attack? Did it ever occur to you it might have been another accident cause there were alot of them happening? No, you didn't. You just told us, Hey you Attacked! Now you're dead. Then you invaded. If you truly did want to work with us I'm sure you would have understood all the hard feeling between our two alliances, and would have been willing to work it out. But you didn't. Like I said, just one big setup. YOU Started This. PS: In case ya'll are wondering I'm speaking as an XF Minister. My opinions are a whole 'nother story -Druid "Civis Ascendant"
siim	Posted - 2005.04.06 20:53:00 - [20] Originally by: alt111 this war is total bull.... shinra and atuk just wanted to have some fun that's all . and everyone! everyone in EVE knows that, so no matter how much you atuk and shinra guys say that it was XF fault...i dont think anyone would think it is actualy true. no one goes in to the war because of the sigil. your ego is just too big thats all. go back into ur whole u little worm
KSUDruid	Posted - 2005.04.06 20:56:00 - [21] Originally by: Righteous Fury I think I'm definitely going with "omgbuhu". Do I really need to make you start crying with personel attacks and have your corpmates come to defend you again on the forums RF? You got nothing to do with this, so STFU already, K? If anyone wants to debate the topic, awesome. Keep doing it. -Druid "Civis Ascendant"
Arkanis	Posted - 2005.04.06 20:57:00 - [22] Can I ask a question before I run away from this thread? This xetic shuttle is mentioned as the new cause for war (before the hauler) but there's a stain member on the kill? Was it abandoned or an accident?
Nathan Voughn	Posted - 2005.04.06 20:57:00 - [23] taking bets on how many weeks it will take anti xetic people to post first "xetic is dead" posts.... betting 10m its within 3 weeks.
Alexison	Posted - 2005.04.06 20:58:00 - [24] As long as I can laugh at the kb kills I'm happy. _____________________________________________________
RollinDutchMasters	Posted - 2005.04.06 20:58:00 - [25] Originally by: KSUDruid It's not the point. I'm sure shredder had a whole lot of tritanium on board. It was still an attack. You started this. I have a cousin who does this all the time. Any time he does something wrong, he runs to the first person he sees and screams "Look what you made me do!". Little bastard. Originally by: Sochin CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
Shin Ra	Posted - 2005.04.06 20:58:00 - [26] Everyone knows the were gonna attack u all along. So what? Its not like its illegal or anything. Any making 2billion threads about it isnt gonna make them stop. ----------------------------------------- Heinky> Dont mix eve with rl it can be bad for your health
Foomanshoe	Posted - 2005.04.06 20:59:00 - [27] Originally by: Hastrabull Pls dont try to look yourself more lame then you are. Its pathetic Xetic initiated hostilities between Curse Coalition and Xetic. Xetic are responsible for this war. Hastra, i gotta agree with you cause i know supremecy are the kings of lame. If anything was lame, you guys would be the ones to know. We all should know that Shinra attacking people isnt really breaking the NAP right? cause your just a bunch of wannabe pirates that dont have the balls to attack real pvp'ers. Quick, shoot the hauler and run is your main strategy isnt it? You forget all about his post on your own forums? Quote: We Supremacy, will be based in lj-ysw, black reign will be based in CL-1je, shinra will be based in hlw-hp, BOS i am unsure where they will be based and atuk will be based in po4f-3. Form-up area for ops will be hlw and the hotzones atm are d87, vol-mi, u-q, and hed-gp. There is talk of setting up POS's in these hotspots so as to be able to form up in relative safety. kill list will be as follows:- G alliance, FIX, FA, Foundation/keiritsu??, Imperial Republic of the north, CVA/Huzzah, Moo, BurnEden, BotoxBandits. Due to the kill list at the moment, all other standings will be set to 0 which will mean shoot to kill guys, do not hesitate,if it isnt blue,pink,or green, kill it.Also with the list we have compiled it will mean that Imp will prolly get involved against us and therefore they will no doubt be added to the list later down the line +10 list will be as Follows:- SA,"XETIC", Red Alliance, RKK, Evol, M3G4??, BNC, FOE, Mining ***es, FSA. Xetic will be a target later down the line guys do not worry it will happen.** A kill is a kill, doesnt matter how big. Cut the smack CN. Its getting really sad. If you want respect fight with honor and guns instead of insults and lies. _______________________________________________
Hastrabull	Posted - 2005.04.06 20:59:00 - [28] Originally by: KSUDruid We declared the SCA because we tried to be the good guys. We've always tried to be the good guys. Did ya'll even investigate the hauler accident or just all out attack? Did it ever occur to you it might have been another accident cause there were alot of them happening? No, you didn't. You just told us, Hey you Attacked! Now you're dead. Then you invaded. If you truly did want to work with us I'm sure you would have understood all the hard feeling between our two alliances, and would have been willing to work it out. But you didn't. Like I said, just one big setup. YOU Started This. PS: In case ya'll are wondering I'm speaking as an XF Minister. My opinions are a whole 'nother story I would like to remind you ultimatum that we got from cyvok. Now i would like to remind you your words: We declared the SCA because we tried to be the good guys. I think both things just cannot match. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
Chowdown	Posted - 2005.04.06 21:00:00 - [29] Look its been said in 100000000000000000000000000000 threads already, you shot hauler this started the war. Just go and read the other threads this is a waste of peoples time. New Shinra Kill system, please be patient were still ironing out the finer points!!
Hyey	Posted - 2005.04.06 21:00:00 - [30] Originally by: Arkanis Can I ask a question before I run away from this thread? This xetic shuttle is mentioned as the new cause for war (before the hauler) but there's a stain member on the kill? Was it abandoned or an accident? Thats the whole problem with that kill mail. There is an SE AND A SHINRA guy on that mail. It was most likely abandonded because noone whined about its death. The only time it was ever known of is when XETIC decided to go try to find a killmail that made shinra look like the aggressors so they can keep their good guy image going. This whole thing started not just because of a hauler dying, the SCA wanted to impose quite ridiculous rules on us and we still stayed pretty quiet, then you shot us. Your fault live with it sheesh and play the game. ~~ Hyey I just payed 15 dollars this month just to be able to respond on the forums... stupid cancellation error.

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