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Hast
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Posted - 2005.04.11 21:57:00 -
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EVE is a great game wich I love to play. There is always something to do and something to blow up. 
The way it was back when I started and much up till recently is that you got scrambled and if you couldnt kill the scramblers or the guys shooting you you died. fair and square.
If you didnt want to get ganked then you fitted as much stabs as possible and used insta's etc. and watched the map as much
as you possibly could to avoid getting killed.
It might be classified as a cheap tactic, but a valid one albeit. You either had enough scramblers or a mobile warp disruptor. It could be hard but it was a challenge.
But now, the way that eve is going now is not a good one. The general consensus is now that if you are about to die, you just log off!
mistakenly attacked a corp mate on a lvl 4 mission? just log off. Getting caught with your pants down in 0.0? log off
now after seeing ship after ship just disappear while being scrambled and just magicly disappear I must admit I am sick off it. And people spouting out stuff like I dont want to pvp so I think its a valid tactic should go play another game or stay in 0.5+ for the rest of their eve life. And even so that doesent solve the problem of people logging off while gettign owned by npc's or concord.
And as far as I know evading punishment from concord is deemed a exploit and I thought there was a 15minute timer that stopped if you logged off and started again as soon as you logged back on again. (I havent tested this for apparent reasons  )
I know you are not allowed to discuss exploit so this thread is walking on thin ground. If someone starts to say how to do exploits I kindly asks the mods to delete their post as they come.
I know I would like to know what CCP plans to do with the log off timer and such since its a touchy subjects and there is valid uses off it, like when you get disconnected from the server and so on.
I think I'm not alone when I say that I'm getting fed up with people evading ship destruction this way.
The Enslaver posted in a different thread that the timer should be increased to 8 minutes. I think that will be a good change since if you cant kill a battleship in 8 minutes, you simply wont kill it.
please discuss and try to agree with me
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LiQuiDCooL
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Posted - 2005.04.11 22:01:00 -
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Signed...
LiQuiDCooL
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Nebba Kenezzer
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Posted - 2005.04.11 22:03:00 -
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Special thanks to asentia from National Health Service (a XETIC applicant) for logging off so well.
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Blind Man
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Posted - 2005.04.11 22:09:00 -
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Dyvim Slorm
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Posted - 2005.04.11 22:10:00 -
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A longer timer is a problem if you CTD as I'm sure we've all found out the hard way, but the CTD problems usually seem to happen after patching.
So, perhaps keep the timer short after a patch is applied. Once the servers are stable, then increase it the 8 minutes.
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Lygos
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Posted - 2005.04.11 22:15:00 -
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+15 minutes and apply the the fallible warp scrambling changes to NPCS only. Give scan probes a chance.
I really hope the development team hasn't permanently scrapped warp core strength entirely but is just reevaluating it. I can't think of many concepts that were scrapped and implemented later though, so I am not optimistic.
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Takrolimus
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Posted - 2005.04.11 22:18:00 -
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This exploit (and im not talking about logging off while scrambled, thats lame but not an exploit, Im talking about what I have witnessed a dozen times this week: logging off and using an exploit to make your ship dissappear almost instantly: NO TIMER.), Is for me the biggest problem in the game right now.
To anyone who disagrees or wants to flame: If someone had an invulnaribility bug that worked 100% of the time so they could never die while using it, is that a fair tactic? This is hardly different!
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Dyvim Slorm
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Posted - 2005.04.11 22:28:00 -
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 Originally by: Takrolimus
This exploit (and im not talking about logging off while scrambled, thats lame but not an exploit, Im talking about what I have witnessed a dozen times this week: logging off and using an exploit to make your ship dissappear almost instantly: NO TIMER.), Is for me the biggest problem in the game right now.
Agreed, that is an exploit and should be stopped dead.
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Hast
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Posted - 2005.04.11 22:30:00 -
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yes, I agree. But my main gripe is that it seems everyone and his dog is stepping to the log off tactic now adays. What happened to honour and going down with your ship?
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2005.04.11 22:31:00 -
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Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 11/04/2005 22:33:07
Till the map gives me a break at playing it out the way I want, with the little guy having a hope in hell, I'll be logging too.
About the exploit, I thought logging on an alt to boot the character in dire straits was taken care of well over a year ago, you're telling me it's back?
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Darkrydar
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Posted - 2005.04.11 22:33:00 -
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Signed
Tbh, I thougt Eve was about pvp. Where is TomB? Why is this allowed to contiune unabated? What is it going to take here to get this fixed? Do you want to lose veteran players because we are so fed up with this obvious exploit and the fact it keeps falling on deaf ears?
To clarify, logging off while under attack is lame. However, logging off and using the exploit to make your ship dissapear needs to b e bannable and it needs to be *****ed down on now.
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Takrolimus
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Posted - 2005.04.11 22:33:00 -
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I hope you get banned if you use an exploit. Using an out of game mechanic (read: bug) to gain an ingame advantage is clearly an exploit. Making your ship dissappear on command is clearly an exploit.
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.04.11 22:37:00 -
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first of all let me say I am a anti Pirate (meaning that I am against pirates (though I like that there is Piacy in Eve) so dont just say I want more victims :-)
making the log off timer much longer (like 30 mins or even better 60) would be a great thing for everyone
why ??
well these aliance Pirates (Pirates that prey on our aliance) then safe spots as soon as we show up with a fleet would be hunted down as soon as they log off at their safe spot their ship (and pod) would stick around space for long enough that we could kill them
gate camping though would only have the ship locked so the pod (most likely) would survive (as it would still warp out as the ship blew) unles of course the campers had a ship with probes
my personal opinion is that a ship should never disapear from space and with the 1 mill KM warp away thingi (saves you from NPC still) I dont see why that should be a big problem
I also know (from the dev chats) that that will never happen though
my honest opinion is that the only place a ship should be safe is docked or behind a POS force shield
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
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RollinDutchMasters
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Posted - 2005.04.11 22:39:00 -
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If you are warp scrambled and you log, you should die. There is no excuse for a meta-game mechanic that lets you survive a situation you should have died.
If you are not warp scrambled and you log, fine. You could have just gone to a safespot and kept warping between them, so logging doesnt change a thing.
If you disagree with anything I have just said, you are both wrong and an idiot. This is not negotiable or debatable.
Originally by: Sochin
CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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Dakath
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Posted - 2005.04.11 22:42:00 -
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As much as I dislike cowardly gankers, I have never used this so-called tactic.
I'd rather die in my pod than play like space-chicken.
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Antoinette Civari
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Posted - 2005.04.11 22:45:00 -
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Using that exploit should get you banned. No discussion whatsoever, just a simple ban.
Then increase the logoff timer to 4 or 5 minutes. Even a frig fleet can down a bs in that time.
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anter
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Posted - 2005.04.11 22:46:00 -
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Originally by: Hast
yes, I agree. But my main gripe is that it seems everyone and his dog is stepping to the log off tactic now adays. What happened to honour and going down with your ship?
blobs
But I agree that the well know exploit to get around your log-off timer should be fixed.
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Hast
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Posted - 2005.04.11 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 11/04/2005 22:33:07
Till the map gives me a break at playing it out the way I want, with the little guy having a hope in hell, I'll be logging too.
About the exploit, I thought logging on an alt to boot the character in dire straits was taken care of well over a year ago, you're telling me it's back?
logging off might not be a exploit, and it might never be. But it has become a get out of jail freecard, wich I feel is wrong. It takes away the immersion feeling.
The 60minute timer is not a good idea, altho I made a point about immersion earlier but there are times when you really have to go to a safespot and log, since yes, I have a real life.
Other situation is if you are fighting in a region without npc stations then you dont always control the station and its not always a wise idea to lig inside a station. That break from the immersion factor I can live with. But the get out of death freecard is what is bothering me. Its the biggest gripe I have with eve right now.
And the logging off because I can attitude is just wrong. I like eve because I can kill other people and because other people can kill me. Ok, I might go broke cos I lost a ship with all my fancy tech 2 mods on but hey, its a game and I can get it back. Carebear miners with wallets fat enough that the loss wont even dent it is who's usually use this tactic.
If you cant take the pain, dont play the game. Its simple really...
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DukDodgerz
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Posted - 2005.04.11 22:48:00 -
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go look to a fps for your griefing.
Leave the log off as it is, let the whiners whine.
CCP could listen to this crying and whining, and let loose a whole new rush of griefing and ganking by those wanting to do so.
BTW, don't whine about what your team does...
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gr8razorx
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Posted - 2005.04.11 22:49:00 -
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Personally I don't mind the 2 minute timer but there should also be a 2 minute timer for logging an alt in and thus vanishing your main character.
Just my $0.02
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Hast
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Posted - 2005.04.11 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: DukDodgerz
go look to a fps for your griefing.
Leave the log off as it is, let the whiners whine.
CCP could listen to this crying and whining, and let loose a whole new rush of griefing and ganking by those wanting to do so.
BTW, don't whine about what your team does...
this is a game that caters several different type of players. You guys got alot of system and in the latest expansion you even make alot of money aswell with no risk. I was waiting for a reply like this, it had to come sooner or later. Its sad really that some people cant see beyond their own game enjoyment.
if you dont like getting ganked, stay in 0.5+, that is where you belong. there is little risk there and therefor there should be little rewards aswell. if you want more rewards then you risk getting ganked. This is what the developers set out to do aswell in the beginning.
You should also consider posting with your main since posting with a alt in my book is just as cowardly as logging in my book. you could also do with some proper arguments.
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Hydroponica
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Posted - 2005.04.11 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Hast
EVE is a great game wich I love to play. There is always something to do and something to blow up.
The way it was back when I started and much up till recently is that you got scrambled and if you couldnt kill the scramblers or the guys shooting you you died. fair and square.
If you didnt want to get ganked then you fitted as much stabs as possible and used insta's etc. and watched the map as much
as you possibly could to avoid getting killed.
It might be classified as a cheap tactic, but a valid one albeit. You either had enough scramblers or a mobile warp disruptor. It could be hard but it was a challenge.
But now, the way that eve is going now is not a good one. The general consensus is now that if you are about to die, you just log off!
mistakenly attacked a corp mate on a lvl 4 mission? just log off. Getting caught with your pants down in 0.0? log off
now after seeing ship after ship just disappear while being scrambled and just magicly disappear I must admit I am sick off it. And people spouting out stuff like I dont want to pvp so I think its a valid tactic should go play another game or stay in 0.5+ for the rest of their eve life. And even so that doesent solve the problem of people logging off while gettign owned by npc's or concord.
And as far as I know evading punishment from concord is deemed a exploit and I thought there was a 15minute timer that stopped if you logged off and started again as soon as you logged back on again. (I havent tested this for apparent reasons )
I know you are not allowed to discuss exploit so this thread is walking on thin ground. If someone starts to say how to do exploits I kindly asks the mods to delete their post as they come.
I know I would like to know what CCP plans to do with the log off timer and such since its a touchy subjects and there is valid uses off it, like when you get disconnected from the server and so on.
I think I'm not alone when I say that I'm getting fed up with people evading ship destruction this way.
The Enslaver posted in a different thread that the timer should be increased to 8 minutes. I think that will be a good change since if you cant kill a battleship in 8 minutes, you simply wont kill it.
please discuss and try to agree with me
heh, as much as I hate to see eye to eye with Shrina, I have to agree 
signed, loggoff tactics are ***, if you were dumb enough to get Scrammbled by pirates, face your distruction like a man, and learn a valuable lesson
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DukDodgerz
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Posted - 2005.04.11 22:57:00 -
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Quote:
If you cant take the pain, dont play the game. Its simple really...
take your own advice and quit...
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DukDodgerz
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Posted - 2005.04.11 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: Hast
Originally by: DukDodgerz
go look to a fps for your griefing.
Leave the log off as it is, let the whiners whine.
CCP could listen to this crying and whining, and let loose a whole new rush of griefing and ganking by those wanting to do so.
BTW, don't whine about what your team does...
this is a game that caters several different type of players. You guys got alot of system and in the latest expansion you even make alot of money aswell with no risk. I was waiting for a reply like this, it had to come sooner or later. Its sad really that some people cant see beyond their own game enjoyment.
if you dont like getting ganked, stay in 0.5+, that is where you belong. there is little risk there and therefor there should be little rewards aswell. if you want more rewards then you risk getting ganked. This is what the developers set out to do aswell in the beginning.
You should also consider posting with your main since posting with a alt in my book is just as cowardly as logging in my book. you could also do with some proper arguments.
whine all you want, taunt like a little child, go ahead...
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Noriath
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Posted - 2005.04.11 23:02:00 -
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Edited by: Noriath on 11/04/2005 23:06:20
I don't support logging off, it's cheap, and if someone does it in a fight they picked themselves, like in Corp war they are just pathetic.
But when you're talking pirates and their victims it's fairly clear why most people don't want to die. The sory is usually over right after the pirates shot you down, stuff gone, ship destoyed, possibly podded.
There is just nothing you can do to get back at the pirates or permanently stop them from killing you again and again. The people who pick the fights should live more dangerously then the people who don't try to make enemies, but the opposite is true in Eve. Pirates can strike and disappear, use alts and multiple accounts to make their vital operations untouchable...
That leads to a situation where most people don't care how cheap their tactics get, a pirate robbing you and then escrowing the loot to an alt is even cheaper in their minds...
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Darkrydar
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Posted - 2005.04.11 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: DukDodgerz
Originally by: Hast
Originally by: DukDodgerz
go look to a fps for your griefing.
Leave the log off as it is, let the whiners whine.
CCP could listen to this crying and whining, and let loose a whole new rush of griefing and ganking by those wanting to do so.
BTW, don't whine about what your team does...
this is a game that caters several different type of players. You guys got alot of system and in the latest expansion you even make alot of money aswell with no risk. I was waiting for a reply like this, it had to come sooner or later. Its sad really that some people cant see beyond their own game enjoyment.
if you dont like getting ganked, stay in 0.5+, that is where you belong. there is little risk there and therefor there should be little rewards aswell. if you want more rewards then you risk getting ganked. This is what the developers set out to do aswell in the beginning.
You should also consider posting with your main since posting with a alt in my book is just as cowardly as logging in my book. you could also do with some proper arguments.
whine all you want, taunt like a little child, go ahead...
Its called constructive critism. Although, being spinless on the forums I am sure mirrors you ingame and probably rl.
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Hydroponica
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Posted - 2005.04.11 23:09:00 -
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Edited by: Hydroponica on 11/04/2005 23:11:17
Originally by: Noriath
Edited by: Noriath on 11/04/2005 23:06:20
I don't support logging off, it's cheap, and if someone does it in a fight they picked themselves, like in Corp war they are just pathetic.
But when you're talking pirates and their victims it's fairly clear why most people don't want to die. The sory is usually over right after the pirates shot you down, stuff gone, ship destoyed, possibly podded.
There is just nothing you can do to get back at the pirates or permanently stop them from killing you again and again. The people who pick the fights should live more dangerously then the people who don't try to make enemies, but the opposite is true in Eve. Pirates can strike and disappear, use alts and multiple accounts to make their vital operations untouchable...
That leads to a situation where most people don't care how cheap their tactics get, a pirate robbing you and then escrowing the loot to an alt is even cheaper in their minds...
Oh comeon now, what do you think a pirate is? They are supposed to gank haulers at gates, and kill even those who "don't want to fight", heeeeeeeeeellllllllooooooo? PIRATES ARE CRIMINALS, and in RL, old lasies get robbed too, they can't just log off when a big burly guy sticks a gun in there back at an ATM machine
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Hydroponica
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Posted - 2005.04.11 23:10:00 -
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Edited by: Hydroponica on 11/04/2005 23:10:30
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jbob2000
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Posted - 2005.04.11 23:10:00 -
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Originally by: DukDodgerz
whine all you want, taunt like a little child, go ahead...
You have no solid facts in your rebuttal which makes you look like an idiot. Why are log off tactics fair? All you do is flame the posts my good friend Hast has been making with no solid comments. I wouldn't be suprised if you were some 13 year old who isn't smart enough to post constructively and intelligently.
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Hast
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Posted - 2005.04.11 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: DukDodgerz
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If you cant take the pain, dont play the game. Its simple really...
take your own advice and quit...
*sigh*
I am trying to get a good discussion going here and then we have people who cant do anything but come with pointless flames and no proper arguments. I just hope the mods can keep this topic on track
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