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Crosi Wesdo
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
368
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Posted - 2012.11.12 12:41:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:Dread Operative wrote:Damar Rocarion wrote:Dread Operative wrote:Use your alt to plex then you ninny. The reason is to stabilize FW item prices. Or how about you use your main, AND TAKE SOME SYSTEMS!!!!! Gasp!!!! Why the f.ck I should do what you want when the option is to do what I want? And why would I engage in pointless activity where CCP already stacked the deck for your benefit like they have done for years now. Most likely you would whine for another change if for some reason you get permanently kicked from your Tier 4 and CCP would only be too happy to oblige. Well that's a bunch of QQ'ing right there. You're only permently kicked because YOU gave up. You don't see Happy Ending quitting, no, you see them taking systems and chasing out plexers. I've stayed in Gal Mil almost the whole time, even when we were getting stomped by the initial alt army and Ive never quit like you guys have. Guess its just a character thing. Gallente is only who is taking systems.
vaaralen, mushikegi and soon to be korasen and okagaiken would like a word with you.
We have lost system that we didnt defend and/or no one lived there. Caldari have lost systems that no one defended or very few/no one lived there.
It is perfectly reasonable that one guy should not be able to defend a system with a few alts. The new system expresses that reason and is why it was a very large step in the right direction.
While i have no doubt that if these changes came in when expected and caldari were in our position, that you would be here explaining how fair the new system really is. So i have very little sympathy.
The little sympathy i have just makes me think that defensive plexing is a little op and perhaps should drop from 75%lp to 50%, but tbh we are still losing systems. Fact is that to take a system it now needs a concentrated PVP effort, you clearly became too accustomed to systems being farmed by alts and going vulnerable within 3 days with no effort. Thankfully those days are gone. |

Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant
291
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Posted - 2012.11.12 12:41:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote: You cannot make other people do what you want them to.
Sure you can, but that is something you do not seem to know how to do. |

Crosi Wesdo
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
368
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Posted - 2012.11.12 12:45:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote: You cannot make other people do what you want them to.
Sure you can, but that is something you do not seem to know how to do.
Another pearl of wisdom from some guy crying on the forums. |

Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant
291
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Posted - 2012.11.12 12:46:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:Dread Operative wrote:Damar Rocarion wrote:Dread Operative wrote:Use your alt to plex then you ninny. The reason is to stabilize FW item prices. Or how about you use your main, AND TAKE SOME SYSTEMS!!!!! Gasp!!!! Why the f.ck I should do what you want when the option is to do what I want? And why would I engage in pointless activity where CCP already stacked the deck for your benefit like they have done for years now. Most likely you would whine for another change if for some reason you get permanently kicked from your Tier 4 and CCP would only be too happy to oblige. Well that's a bunch of QQ'ing right there. You're only permently kicked because YOU gave up. You don't see Happy Ending quitting, no, you see them taking systems and chasing out plexers. I've stayed in Gal Mil almost the whole time, even when we were getting stomped by the initial alt army and Ive never quit like you guys have. Guess its just a character thing. Gallente is only who is taking systems. vaaralen, mushikegi and soon to be korasen and okagaiken would like a word with you. We have lost system that we didnt defend and/or no one lived there. Caldari have lost systems that no one defended or very few/no one lived there. It is perfectly reasonable that one guy should not be able to defend a system with a few alts. The new system expresses that reason and is why it was a very large step in the right direction. While i have no doubt that if these changes came in when expected and caldari were in our position, that you would be here explaining how fair the new system really is. So i have very little sympathy. The little sympathy i have just makes me think that defensive plexing is a little op and perhaps should drop from 75%lp to 50%, but tbh we are still losing systems. Fact is that to take a system it now needs a concentrated PVP effort, you clearly became too accustomed to systems being farmed by alts and going vulnerable within 3 days with no effort. Thankfully those days are gone.
no one is going to play this new FW after they really understand what it this all about. New rats may little help the situation but i doubt it is not enough.
Even if caldari has tier 2 income is less than from highsec lvl4 missions with current rats so no wonder people do not want to plex. |

Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant
291
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Posted - 2012.11.12 12:49:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote: You cannot make other people do what you want them to.
Sure you can, but that is something you do not seem to know how to do. Another pearl of wisdom from some guy crying on the forums.
Maybe you will learn on some day that whole EVE is about manipulation others minds to get what you want. |

Crosi Wesdo
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
368
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Posted - 2012.11.12 12:53:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:
no one is going to play this new FW after they really understand what it this all about. New rats may little help the situation but i doubt it is not enough.
Even if caldari has tier 2 income is less than from highsec lvl4 missions with current rats so no wonder people do not want to plex.
There there bm, the myan calander doesnt really predict the end of the world, alex jones is an entertainer and david icke, while good natured, is wrong about global leaders being shapeshifting lizards.
Meanwhile people are plexing, pvping and flipping systems. Also making decent isk. Its a little sad the way you project your current discontent onto others as though they are as bitter and washed up as you seem to be.
I think a lot of the ill will from these guys is that they have been spoiled by the terrible initial tier system. That is all. |

Crosi Wesdo
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
368
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Posted - 2012.11.12 12:55:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote: You cannot make other people do what you want them to.
Sure you can, but that is something you do not seem to know how to do. Another pearl of wisdom from some guy crying on the forums. Maybe you will learn on some day that whole EVE is about manipulation others minds to get what you want.
Im not the one who isnt getting what they want, so im not sure what you base your assumptions on. Oh thats right, youre just a terrible bitter troll lashing out because you are angry that things didnt go your way in a computer game. How very.. well adjusted. |

Seraph Castillon
Ghost Headquarters The Ghost Army
4
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Posted - 2012.11.12 13:02:00 -
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There needs to be something to get income from if you're dominating the war. Removing missions would mean a faction would shoot itself in the foot if it ever got all or most system under control. There would be virtually no income to be made, even more so if your enemy was slacking and not trying to contest systems.
BUT:
-FW missions should NOT get a bonus from the warzone control. -FW missions should be reworked so that they cannot be blitzed. They should be as much of a trigger for PvP as complexes currently are. |

X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
608
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Posted - 2012.11.12 15:33:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:There there bm, the myan calander doesnt really predict the end of the world, it predicts the end of the Caldari militia! I get it now.
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
608
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Posted - 2012.11.12 15:44:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:FW still lack possibility to force enemy to fight, ... This falls under the "You can't force anybody in Eve to fight" category.
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Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
130
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Posted - 2012.11.12 16:33:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:There there bm, the myan calander doesnt really predict the end of the world, it predicts the end of the Caldari militia! I get it now. And from the ashes the Ghosts of Black Rise shall be born. |

Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
643
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Posted - 2012.11.12 17:44:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Cearain wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Cearain wrote: I don't have a problem engaging versus multiple targets either. But I only occassionally suicide my ships.
XG your claim that you find decent solo pvp fights every 10 minutes just demonstrates how removed from reality your view is.
I'm the one with over 300 kills and losses each month - not you. Your killboard definitely shows you have allot more time to play computer games than I do. But it doesn't show you can get a decent solo fight every 10 minutes. What is this **** about solo pvp? I think you are mistaking faction war for something else. You cannot make other people do what you want them to. ...
XG claims he gets decent solo pvp fights about every 10 minutes. In defense of this claim he refers to his number of kills. So I look at his killboard, and see that he clearly is not able to do what he claims.
Why solo pvp? Because statistically that is the best way to get a decent fight the quickest.
As you increase the size of your gang the chances that someone will just randomly be willing an able to fight your gang decreases.
Sure you will get more killmails as you increase the size of your gang. But you wont get nearly as many fights per hour where either side has a decent chance of holding the field.
When did I ever tell anyone to do what I want them to do? If you actually read the thread you will see it XG who is constantly trying to tell me what to do including playing more fw despite it being broken. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Dread Operative
Justified Chaos
20
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Posted - 2012.11.12 17:53:00 -
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Cearain wrote: XG claims he gets decent solo pvp fights about every 10 minutes. In defense of this claim he refers to his number of kills. So I look at his killboard, and see that he clearly is not able to do what he claims.
When did I ever tell anyone to do what I want them to do? If you actually read the thread you will see it XG who is constantly trying to tell me what to do including playing more fw despite it being broken.
Again, he said 10 min from undocking. Not every 10min. And trust me, he does pull it off. He'll log in for 30m on his lunch break from work and somehow net 2+ kills. Then silently logs back off. |

X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
610
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Posted - 2012.11.12 18:31:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Why solo pvp? Because statistically that is the best way to get a decent fight the quickest. This is an outright "alternate reality". A better measure is how quickly you can get into any decent fight - whether it is solo, small gang, or fleet. Why would you limit yourself to solo fights unless you were trying to emphasize a fictional problem to meet your warped view of FW?
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
643
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Posted - 2012.11.12 18:47:00 -
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Dread Operative wrote:Cearain wrote: XG claims he gets decent solo pvp fights about every 10 minutes. In defense of this claim he refers to his number of kills. So I look at his killboard, and see that he clearly is not able to do what he claims.
When did I ever tell anyone to do what I want them to do? If you actually read the thread you will see it XG who is constantly trying to tell me what to do including playing more fw despite it being broken.
Again, he said 10 min from undocking. Not every 10min. And trust me, he does pull it off. He'll log in for 30m on his lunch break from work and somehow net 2+ kills. Then silently logs back off.
He was responding to my question asking him how many fights he gets per set time period. I have gotten a fight within 10 minutes of undocking as well - sheer luck - it happens. But that means nothing. The question is how frequent is the pvp on average not whether one time he got lucky and had a bunch of kills in an hour. We have all done that. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
643
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Posted - 2012.11.12 18:50:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Cearain wrote:Why solo pvp? Because statistically that is the best way to get a decent fight the quickest. This is an outright "alternate reality". A better measure is how quickly you can get into any decent fight - whether it is solo, small gang, or fleet. Why would you limit yourself to solo fights unless you were trying to emphasize a fictional problem to meet your warped view of FW?
You cut off the part of my post that answers your question. Why don't you read what I wrote?
As you increase your gang above the size of say a BC you are going to find decent pvp fights (where either side has a substantial chance of holding the field) less frequently. Its a matter of mathematics. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
612
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Posted - 2012.11.12 19:02:00 -
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Cearain wrote:You cut off the part of my post that answers your question. Why don't you read what I wrote? As you increase your gang above the size of say a BC you are going to find decent pvp fights (where either side has a substantial chance of holding the field) less frequently. Its a matter of mathematics. Yes, it is a matter of mathematics. By excluding all but one category of pvp you can attempt to make a point that pvp is nearly impossible to get if you are a FW pilot. The fact is that being in good intel channels with active players and a willingness to engage are all that are needed to get fights quickly.
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
643
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Posted - 2012.11.12 19:05:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Cearain wrote:You cut off the part of my post that answers your question. Why don't you read what I wrote? As you increase your gang above the size of say a BC you are going to find decent pvp fights (where either side has a substantial chance of holding the field) less frequently. Its a matter of mathematics. Yes, it is a matter of mathematics. By excluding all but one category of pvp you can attempt to make a point that pvp is nearly impossible to get if you are a FW pilot. The fact is that being in good intel channels with active players and a willingness to engage are all that are needed to get fights quickly.
So how many decent fights per 2 hours of play?
I do not exclude any types of pvp. I just recognize that as the size of my gang goes up there is a higher chance that I will be doing allot more roaming and shipping up and down than fighting fights that can go either way. There is a reason for that. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant
181
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Posted - 2012.11.12 19:55:00 -
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X gals method of pvp is "fly a kiting ship, gank noobies. If you meet someone who wont die to usual link boosted kiting comet, run away from local and come back with 10 guys and demand a fight."
After that he runs to forums to boast how awesome he is. |

Poison Ivvy
Astra Enterprises Happy Endings
36
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Posted - 2012.11.12 20:17:00 -
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You guys all funny boasting all this drama around :) Anyways Caldari Militia wont-¦t ever die as long as we-¦re around so keep on bringing good fights Galls :) |
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Dread Operative
Justified Chaos
20
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Posted - 2012.11.12 20:24:00 -
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Damar Rocarion wrote:X gals method of pvp is "fly a kiting ship, gank noobies. If you meet someone who wont die to usual link boosted kiting comet, run away from local and come back with 10 guys and demand a fight."
After that he runs to forums to boast how awesome he is.
XG has boosts? That's news too me, considering in ever single OGB thread he is firmly against OGB's... and Im in his corp and was the only one with OGB.
Oh Whinemar, the things you say entertain me so. |

Dread Operative
Justified Chaos
20
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Posted - 2012.11.12 20:26:00 -
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Poison Ivvy wrote:You guys all funny boasting all this drama around :) Anyways Caldari Militia wont-¦t ever die as long as we-¦re around so keep on bringing good fights Galls :)
Thank you for being the only alliance bringing fights, taking systems, and not whining about it! |

X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
612
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Posted - 2012.11.12 20:34:00 -
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Damar Rocarion wrote:X gals method of pvp is "fly a kiting ship, gank noobies. If you meet someone who wont die to usual link boosted kiting comet, run away from local and come back with 10 guys and demand a fight." 1. I fail at pvp, but I do understand how to get into fights, and 2. Intaki is great this time of year. |

Sean Parisi
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
39
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Posted - 2012.11.12 23:43:00 -
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Don't mission myself. But I think they are fine, if a faction takes over an entire Warzone and decimate their enemy it ensures they can consistently still make LP. |

X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
620
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Posted - 2012.11.13 21:39:00 -
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http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15192946
Less than two minutes from undocking. Logged into Deven, had to make one jump into Fliet and then warp to minor plex. But it wasn't a good fight. I had my "loki-boosted, snake-set" Comet, warped into him at zero (I know, certain death right? But you know what they say - fortune favors the bold and all that) and had to burn away before getting scrammed.
Carry on. |

Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
645
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Posted - 2012.11.13 22:37:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15192946
Less than two minutes from undocking. Logged into Deven, had to make one jump into Fliet and then warp to minor plex. But it wasn't a good fight. I had my "loki-boosted, snake-set" Comet, warped into him at zero (I know, certain death right? But you know what they say - fortune favors the bold and all that) and had to burn away before getting scrammed.
Carry on.
Thanks for sharing, but why should we care? Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant
293
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Posted - 2012.11.13 22:49:00 -
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Sean Parisi wrote:Don't mission myself. But I think they are fine, if a faction takes over an entire Warzone and decimate their enemy it ensures they can consistently still make LP.
actually not really, with tier 1 you will get only 0.5x of rewards while enemy gets 3.25x rewards. So if agent tell you that you will get 25000lp actually with tier 1 you will get 12500 and with tier5 you will get 81250 lp. Also you have to note that if you lose all systems you will lose all lowsec agents so you get actually much less lp than just 50%.
So there is just no point to try to grind any isk on losing side, better to join winners and make easy isk.
And if you want to pvp i am sure there is pvp on every side, at least for now. |

X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
620
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Posted - 2012.11.13 23:21:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Thanks for sharing, but why should we care? Direct rebuttal to your argument perhaps? Carry on. |

Dread Operative
Quantum Cats Syndicate Drunk 'n' Disorderly
25
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Posted - 2012.11.14 05:02:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Cearain wrote:Thanks for sharing, but why should we care? Direct rebuttal to your argument perhaps? Carry on.
XG arguing with Squids is like arguing with liberals. Logic does not cut it. You have to bribe them with handouts. |

Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
646
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Posted - 2012.11.14 20:25:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Cearain wrote:Thanks for sharing, but why should we care? Direct rebuttal to your argument perhaps? Carry on.
Where did I ever argue it was impossible to get a fight in 2 minutes? Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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