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Maya Rkell	Posted - 2005.04.15 19:43:00 - [91] Originally by: Braaage Your Mega Pulse Laser I barely scratches Supreme Drone Parasite, causing 8.5 damage. Average damage was about 10 - Apoc/Arma are redundant so far as L4 combat missions go... 10's really not THAT bad against one of those, with a longer-range crystal. You're aware they MEGA-tank, right? "As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade"
Kal Atraides	Posted - 2005.04.15 19:55:00 - [92] Dear Everyone Please take note this is all Just a game Its something to do in our spare time and when we come home drunk to lose Ravens. For the Folks complaining about the Ammar Nerf. You`ll get the last Lauch when us poor missile ***s take a wack to the face with the nerf bat. For the Folks saying it's a ballanceing effect. Leave the babies alone. CCP broke thire toys, thire entitled to cry like small girls when a bully's pulled thire barbies head off. yours A Missile ***ing Raven Pilot >currently training to level 5: Mad Scotsman Manuvering / Rank 8 /
Thyro	Posted - 2005.04.15 19:58:00 - [93] Originally by: Kal Atraides Dear Everyone Please take note this is all Just a game Its something to do in our spare time and when we come home drunk to lose Ravens. For the Folks complaining about the Ammar Nerf. You`ll get the last Lauch when us poor missile ***s take a wack to the face with the nerf bat. For the Folks saying it's a ballanceing effect. Leave the babies alone. CCP broke thire toys, thire entitled to cry like small girls when a bully's pulled thire barbies head off. yours A Missile ***ing Raven Pilot I like barbies... can I have one!
Gabriel Karade	Posted - 2005.04.15 23:55:00 - [94] Originally by: Thyro Setup problems? Not here! Just replace all Laser weapons with Artillery and you will see better damage than lasers! Anyway... EVE Developers are on KOS! That is incorrect, artillery is only particulary good on a Tempest because you have two damage bonuses. Taking six 1400mm's with no Tempest bonuses as damage of 1 At BS V you get 1.67x increase in Damage. At BS IV you get a 1.5x increase in damage. An Apocalypse with 8x 1400mm only just about breaks even against a 6-gun Tempest at BS III (Apocalypse has 1.33x due to being able to fit 8 guns, Tempest has 1.35x damage from its bonuses) This is moot as an Apocalypse with 7x Tachyons does more DoT than a Tempest with 6x1400mm. As demonstrated here the difference is up to 19% using short range ammo/Crystals. So to summarise, in terms of which does better damage: 7x Tachyon on Apoc > 6x1400mm on a Tempest > 8x1400mm on Apocalypse (\_/) (O.o) (> <) "That's no ordinary rabbit!...that's the most foul, cruel and bad-tempered rodent you ever set eyes on"
SinBin	Posted - 2005.04.16 01:44:00 - [95] This is well mest up Iv only got level 3 rail specalization & level 4 meduim beam spec. I hit a 130 wreaking on a stuture with my T2 focused meduim beams & here is my small rail hits 2005.04.15 23:52:06combatYour 125mm Prototype I Gauss Gun perfectly strikes Shipyard, wrecking for 155.7 damage. 2005.04.15 23:51:44combatYour 125mm Railgun II perfectly strikes Shipyard, wrecking for 165.1 damage. even a moving target iridum ammo 2005.04.15 22:07:40combatYour 125mm Railgun II perfectly strikes Blood Raider Transport Ship, wrecking for 123.4 damage. This is a pre patch t1 hit haevy beam but only a bit more power 2005.02.11 21:38:51 combat Your Heavy Afocal Pulse Maser I perfectly strikes Corelum Initiate, wrecking for 327.3 damage. The projectile just got a needed boost even better then lazer & all we needed was a hybrid boost & t2 missiles & now ccp have killed the lazer lower then hybrids, you tepest guys maybe finding it funny now but your well next the battle filed was allready filling with tempests & ravens never left. _______________________________________ Ill Shutup when CCP remove bookmarks Maybe end the election round will do it ? & could save hundred of Users & Mods pain.
RollinDutchMasters	Posted - 2005.04.16 02:21:00 - [96] And I can wreck harder with 150mms and antimatter then I can with dual 150s and iron. Know how relevant that is to the balance of those weapons? Not at all! Same as what you've just said. Originally by: Sochin CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
ErrorS	Posted - 2005.04.16 04:21:00 - [97] I don't get it? Mega pulses have nearly the same range as a 350mm rail, they track better and they do more damage. The ONLY 2 disadvantages of lasers (for their class of weapons) are: 1. Cap use 2. Fitting Reqs ________ I'm strict Caldari "The grass is always greener on the other side" - Maybe they're not as uber as you think? -ErrorS
SinBin	Posted - 2005.04.16 09:50:00 - [98] Originally by: RollinDutchMasters And I can wreck harder with 150mms and antimatter then I can with dual 150s and iron. Know how relevant that is to the balance of those weapons? Not at all! Same as what you've just said. You hit like a girl so noone cares but I have higher skills for lazers & its a meduim not a daul small waek meduim. So you see nothing wrong with them hits above ? what about the pre patch meduim lazer hit ? & how do i kill anything hitting 20-40 wih a meduim tech 2 lazer that has some resistsnace ? & only 1 level short of max skills for that gun ?. _______________________________________ Ill Shutup when CCP remove bookmarks Maybe end the election round will do it ? & could save hundred of Users & Mods pain.
Bayroo	Posted - 2005.04.16 10:24:00 - [99] I know that CCP never listerns to the people that really make this game what it is. The nerf on the lasers is bad, not only the range, but the damage too. I now takes me over 5mins to break the tank of a conquistador, when b4 it was much quicker. I know thet CCP will not take on board what I am saying, and to be honest, I don't really care. I am sure that many people are unhappy with the current down grading of all mega pulse lasers. It just makes a joke of all the training we have done to increase skills in this area. You have NERFED the laser as well as the Amarr ship
Alyth	Posted - 2005.04.16 11:03:00 - [100] Originally by: SinBin Originally by: RollinDutchMasters And I can wreck harder with 150mms and antimatter then I can with dual 150s and iron. Know how relevant that is to the balance of those weapons? Not at all! Same as what you've just said. You hit like a girl so noone cares but I have higher skills for lazers & its a meduim not a daul small waek meduim. So you see nothing wrong with them hits above ? what about the pre patch meduim lazer hit ? & how do i kill anything hitting 20-40 wih a meduim tech 2 lazer that has some resistsnace ? & only 1 level short of max skills for that gun ?. Yes they bloody are....they are the equivalent of a tech 2 Dual 150 (which dont exist but for guns compasrisons sake they are the same). Therefore with the....sod it you won't listen anyways. THERES NOTHING WRONG WITH PULSE NOW!
SinBin	Posted - 2005.04.16 13:15:00 - [101] Originally by: Alyth Yes they bloody are....they are the equivalent of a tech 2 Dual 150 (which dont exist but for guns compasrisons sake they are the same). Therefore with the....sod it you won't listen anyways. THERES NOTHING WRONG WITH PULSE NOW! WTF why dont you read a post before replying & what are you talking about daul 150 is the equal, the equal is a daul meduim beam not a focused, that a 200rail. Im firing a F***ing beam lazer at 30km NOT A PULSE get it NOT A PULSE, NOT A PULSE POST EVEN _______________________________________ Ill Shutup when CCP remove bookmarks Maybe end the election round will do it ? & could save hundred of Users & Mods pain.
Alyth	Posted - 2005.04.16 13:21:00 - [102] Edited by: Alyth on 16/04/2005 14:34:46 Edited by: Alyth on 16/04/2005 13:22:19 1. No Z in laser, never has been never will be unless people start spelling stimulation with a Z. (Laser =Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation) 2. As far as I was aware the focused medium pulse were the cruiser sized versions of medium pulse just as dual 150's are the cruiser sized versions of 150's. If I was wrong then I apologise but my point that pulse are still awesome weapons still stands.
SinBin	Posted - 2005.04.16 13:31:00 - [103] Yes im shure if I add 4/6 damage mods my gun will work again the point is I can hit a better hit with a small gun with less skills then a meduim gun with more skills & thats wrong. Also the reason I used the 125 is its the mid gun the same as my focused, i can waste another night testing with 150s & haevy beam lazer but i already know the result. I dont think its me that wont listen, iv provided the evidence proving it 100% & yet your still talking crap about other guns & spelling ? _______________________________________ Ill Shutup when CCP remove bookmarks Maybe end the election round will do it ? & could save hundred of Users & Mods pain.
Alyth	Posted - 2005.04.16 13:56:00 - [104] Originally by: SinBin Yes im shure if I add 4/6 damage mods my gun will work again the point is I can hit a better hit with a small gun with less skills then a meduim gun with more skills & thats wrong. Also the reason I used the 125 is its the mid gun the same as my focused, i can waste another night testing with 150s & haevy beam lazer but i already know the result. I dont think its me that wont listen, iv provided the evidence proving it 100% & yet your still talking crap about other guns & spelling ? You provided precisely zero evidence. All you said was 'my small gun hits harder than my big gun'. You didn't say what ammo you used in your small rail. There is no way in hell that a 125mm can get wreckings that you were describing with iron and even if it was a one in a million hit. Hell you'd only get about that with plutonium or antimatter. Add into the mix the fact that the focused medium pulse II has a low damage mod anyways (2.4x) I doubt your skills are gonna do much about that.
SinBin	Posted - 2005.04.16 14:06:00 - [105] OMG your realy hurting my head bad. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=171072&page=5#95 , check that out iv used the new number take ya right to the evidance, nice. Iridium is the equlilent of microwave, iron would be like a radio but noone other than you said anything about iron, my damage mod is 3.6 same almost as my 125 rail but he has less base damage ect _______________________________________ Ill Shutup when CCP remove bookmarks Maybe end the election round will do it ? & could save hundred of Users & Mods pain.
Alyth	Posted - 2005.04.16 14:25:00 - [106] Originally by: SinBin OMG your realy hurting my head bad. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=171072&page=5#95 , check that out iv used the new number take ya right to the evidance, nice. Iridium is the equlilent of microwave, iron would be like a radio but noone other than you said anything about iron, my damage mod is 3.6 same almost as my 125 rail but he has less base damage ect Right, missed that post sorry. That'll teach me to skim read again.
SinBin	Posted - 2005.04.16 15:08:00 - [107] yea skimming wile telling someone whats what aint to smart but thats not the point, would you now agree there is an issue when a less skilled small hybrid hits as hard or harder then a more skilled t2 meduim gun ? Both gun type have simlar rate of fire, im not comparing a artilary with a pulse here this is 2 very competitive gun ranges & the small 125 should match the small meduim beam & even do less damage cos there isnt a mid small lazer. _______________________________________ Ill Shutup when CCP remove bookmarks Maybe end the election round will do it ? & could save hundred of Users & Mods pain.
SinBin	Posted - 2005.04.16 15:11:00 - [108] you projetile guys are up next a corp mate hit a 2500+ last night with a 1400 t2. Lucky I can fire all gun types but still dont understand this total overnerf. _______________________________________ Ill Shutup when CCP remove bookmarks Maybe end the election round will do it ? & could save hundred of Users & Mods pain.
Galk	Posted - 2005.04.16 15:17:00 - [109] Originally by: SinBin Lucky I can fire all gun types but still dont understand this total overnerf. Well there was a reason why everybody was at it. Honestly it's outstanding the moaning of the amarr nerf. I remember most of my ex corp mates all training up amarr early last year, you could tank anything, gank anything ect ect... Still i relented, i didn't do it just because they had the best caps, just because they did the best damage in certain situations. Unfortunatley lots did. ------------------------ ---- Little wonder why people were, what this person was telling my friends: http://galk.50megs.com/logs/
Condemner	Posted - 2005.04.16 15:41:00 - [110] i have no problem hitting with med beams and i have suck skills only lvl 3 med laser atm i hit over 150 all the time at 25-35k and i have extra power to fit the t2 when i can use them as for pulses range sucking welcome to the class of range they should have anyway on par with the 350 rail
Thyro	Posted - 2005.04.16 15:43:00 - [111] Edited by: Thyro on 16/04/2005 15:43:35 CCP just change APOC bonus! Add ROF bonus on Artilleries for APOC! Then nerf all other LASERS and HYBRIDS! As story line I'd suggest something like this... Minmatar have stolen the APOC construction BP from Amarr nation and now Minmatar are producing large quantities of Apocs to build a massive fleet for last Battle against the nerfeds Amarians!
Alyth	Posted - 2005.04.16 16:30:00 - [112] Originally by: SinBin yea skimming wile telling someone whats what aint to smart but thats not the point, would you now agree there is an issue when a less skilled small hybrid hits as hard or harder then a more skilled t2 meduim gun ? Both gun type have simlar rate of fire, im not comparing a artilary with a pulse here this is 2 very competitive gun ranges & the small 125 should match the small meduim beam & even do less damage cos there isnt a mid small lazer. Yep, apologies. Part of the explanation may be that the ammo changes sneaked in with this patch. Microwave crystals look like they have been decreased in damage a bit? They definitely had a range nerf they were -25% range before weren't they?
SinBin	Posted - 2005.04.16 16:43:00 - [113] no mate microwave is 1 range below radio, maybe +30% range _______________________________________ Ill Shutup when CCP remove bookmarks Maybe end the election round will do it ? & could save hundred of Users & Mods pain.
Alyth	Posted - 2005.04.16 18:08:00 - [114] Edited by: Alyth on 16/04/2005 18:19:12 Edited by: Alyth on 16/04/2005 18:12:24 Originally by: SinBin no mate microwave is 1 range below radio, maybe +30% range Ah right....looks like whats happened is its lost damage and gained range....its at 40% range bonus now, take a peek. Iridiums only +20%, tungstens the one that matches micro. Still....smaller ammo shouldnt outdamage larger ammo of the same range class...
Kaeten	Posted - 2005.04.16 20:34:00 - [115] Originally by: Joan Smith CCP only didnt nerf the mega pulse the nerf nearly everyhting, i dont see why they called it pulse nerf should be called amarr nerf not only the range of pulse are dorped, every gun damge is also down mega pulse now after 30km hit like med guns it funny to see long range rat tanking u.. taking over 5 minute to kill 1 and they expect us to use mega beams ....try fitung 7 mega beam with a good tank since u started changing thing now i like to see mega beam pg to go down!! i sick of ccp missing aroud with things that everyone is use to.... not changing anything will make a little plp **ed of but, changing thing make a whole lot of plp **ed i love this game like everyone else but when i get on to my amarr ship and seeing the damge it make me feel like crying, im realy sick of it Topic edited, please do not use all caps - Wrangler im sick of ppl like you. Now u know how us glalante and mimaters have felt ALONG time. ___________________________________ Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante
Joan Smith	Posted - 2005.04.17 11:24:00 - [116] Originally by: Kaeten Originally by: Joan Smith CCP only didnt nerf the mega pulse the nerf nearly everyhting, i dont see why they called it pulse nerf should be called amarr nerf not only the range of pulse are dorped, every gun damge is also down mega pulse now after 30km hit like med guns it funny to see long range rat tanking u.. taking over 5 minute to kill 1 and they expect us to use mega beams ....try fitung 7 mega beam with a good tank since u started changing thing now i like to see mega beam pg to go down!! i sick of ccp missing aroud with things that everyone is use to.... not changing anything will make a little plp **ed of but, changing thing make a whole lot of plp **ed i love this game like everyone else but when i get on to my amarr ship and seeing the damge it make me feel like crying, im realy sick of it Topic edited, please do not use all caps - Wrangler im sick of ppl like you. Now u know how us glalante and mimaters have felt ALONG time. im sick of ppl like you. now go cry about the raven's and how uber they are... lame
Tragar	Posted - 2005.04.17 11:26:00 - [117] amarr nerf my arse, can still fit a mixture off mega beam II and mega modal beam and tank 3 x npc bs...
Jaisan	Posted - 2005.04.17 11:49:00 - [118] Originally by: SinBin you projetile guys are up next a corp mate hit a 2500+ last night with a 1400 t2. Lucky I can fire all gun types but still dont understand this total overnerf. I can get such shots too, but it means turning your ship into a defenseless gank machine with shields of paper, and only 5 T2 1400 guns onboard. To get shots like this you need a Tempest, Minmatar BS lvl 5, T2 artillary skills, find a target without any em shields, within optimum range for EMP ammo & roughly 5m skillpoints in gunnery. And the skills required for a gankapoc which can fit 6-8 guns and tank nicely ? Just too orangey for crows.
Kayser	Posted - 2005.04.17 13:04:00 - [119] Edited by: Kayser on 17/04/2005 13:04:21 Originally by: Jaisan And the skills required for a gankapoc which can fit 6-8 guns and tank nicely ? An Apoc setup for ganking can't tank, and a apoc setup for tanking can't gank.
Muthsera	Posted - 2005.04.18 02:21:00 - [120] if you tank you can't gank. Just how it is. SoonÖ

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