More null/low sec dwellers trying to get high-sec nerfed. They even have some of their friends coming up in here posting stuff like "herp derp I run missions on my alt because I make more isk doing that than my null sec crap". Sure...sure.

I think we need to start petitioning CCP to screw up null and low sec. Those plexes in null definitely need nerfing for sure, as well as mining and all other possible null sec "isk faucets". Let's get on this, guys.

Ummm Blue loot dropped from Sleepers is specific to WH space & generates ~ 9 trillion ISK fauceted per month.

Blue loot is just NPC buy orders GÇö those exist all over the place for all kinds of random junk.

I tried that once right after CCP Soundwave threatened in his Ten Ton Hammer interview to have an across the board 10% bounty cut... so I started a GD thread stating WH's then should also share the pain & get nerfed too. Some ingenious ISD then moved the thread into the WH subforum to try to kill it even though the thread was a Christen being thrown into a lions den it still persisted for quite awhile

CCP Diagoras specifically attributed ~9 trillion a month to sleeper sites last spring, no?

More null/low sec dwellers trying to get high-sec nerfed. They even have some of their friends coming up in here posting stuff like "herp derp I run missions on my alt because I make more isk doing that than my null sec crap". Sure...sure.

I think we need to start petitioning CCP to screw up null and low sec. Those plexes in null definitely need nerfing for sure, as well as mining and all other possible null sec "isk faucets". Let's get on this, guys.

Yes, and it's still just NPC buy orders. It's not some special or unique faucet.

WH space would still be the unique location that originates the items sold to those specific buy orders, would it not?

Sure. So what?

The point was that, out of the four ISK faucets, none of them are tied to any particular part of space. The whole thing started with someone taking offence to the notion of fiddling with mission bounties on the assumption that doing so would remove all ISK faucets from highsec (and only highsec). I pointed out that this was a silly notion because, just like everywhere else, mission bounties is just one of many ISK faucets that exist in highsec, because all of them exist everywhere. Blue loot was suggested as an example of a unique ISK faucet, but they're not GÇö they're just NPC sell orders, which (GǪdrum rollGǪ) exist everywhere.

Remove mission bounties and you affect null, low, and highsec. Highsec is not alone in being affected.
Removing mission bounties still leaves a plethora of ISK faucets: non-mission bountes, NPC buy orders, insurance, and agent rewards. All of these exist in highsec as well (unsurprisingly since, again, all of them exist everywhere) so that would not suddenly leave highsec ISK-faucet-less.

I would say that for the very reasons you mention blue loot buy orders are more tied to WH's than other faucets are tied to the type of space you are in. As you point out bounties can be obtained anywhere rats are purely through activity in that location. For WH's this isn't the same. You either had to be involved in WH content or involve yourself with someone who was to use that faucet.

I would say that for the very reasons you mention blue loot buy orders are more tied to WH's than other faucets are tied to the type of space you are in. As you point out bounties can be obtained anywhere rats are purely through activity in that location. For WH's this isn't the same. You either had to be involved in WH content or involve yourself with someone who was to use that faucet.

The rest I have no objection to.

Reduce the number of gated rooms - there is nothing more boring than having to slowboat 40 - 50km to each gate in multiple rooms.

Reduce the number of npc,s - but make them much tougher, instead of multiple rooms filled with 20+ npc,s have 1 (maybe 2) rooms with 2 to 4 groups of 3 or 4 npc,s, but make those npc,s as tough as the previous 20+ and take as long to kill. Give them the ehp / resists and dps of an equivalent player fitted ship.

Inprove Npc AI. - the upcoming AI changes are a good start, but the pilot of an npc should be thinking hey i'm getting hammered, im warping out to rep up... give them the abbility to warp / micro jump out of range to rep up and then return to the battle rather than the current lemmings to the slaughter.

So you will have to tackle / scram them to hold them in place.
Have only 1 group aggro at a time, unless you get too close or shoot at another group, in which can your in serious risk of getting your ass handed to you on a platter.

Remove / reduce bounties - remove the isk faucet that everyone complains about, compensate by increasing LP payout and add lots more shinnies to the LP Stores, That way the isk comes from trading those shinnies with other players instead of an isk faucet.

Reduce the quantity of tags required to purchase LP store items - Seriously, the quantity of tags required for most items in the LP stores is ludicrous and can only be obtained by buying them of the market which renders a lot of the LP store items worthless and cheaper to buy from the player market than the LP Store. increase LP required to buy items, reduce isk / tags required.

TLDR. Reduce # NPC's, make them much toughter, remove / reduce bountys, increase LP Reward / Items to compensate
Heat shields activated, flame away

I might point out that you assertion that bounties exist everywhere is incorrect, in that wormholes don't have bounties. Neither do they have missions and mission payouts or LP. Blue loot is the only thing coming out of Wormholes that could be counted as a Faucet.

Also, the rest of the faucets also require that you become involved in them, or with someone is involved in them to access the benefits of them. If you don't mission, you're not going to get payed out for Missioning; if you don't rat, you will get no bounties.

It's pretty obvious that not being involved will mean you don't benefit from it. Not directly at any rate. Also, anyone can scan down a wormhole and rat the sleepers there provided it is a class they can solo, or they have friends to help them with it. You don't have to live in one.

As I said they could be obtained anywhere rats are, but of course that precludes those rats have bounties to be collected. As the NPC's in WH's do not then that makes WH's not violate my statement as there are no bounty giving rats there.

Again, the statement was about things being more globally available. Not completely globally available mind you, but other faucets have greater availability. I can kill a bounty rat in highsec and receive a bounty, I can do the same in low or null. If any one between high, low, null and WH space is eliminated I can still collect bounties and mission rewards. Blue loot on the other hand still works if any amongst high/low/null are eliminated but has an issue if WH is eliminated. That was the issue I was pointing out. That blue loot is exclusive to WH's, thus divorcing blue loot income from being a WH income didn't make sense.

Never said you did have to live there, just said you have to be involved with the game content there or someone who was. Involved doesn't require living there.

So in other words, you have not read a single word; you are completely unfamiliar with concepts such as GÇ£mission rewardsGÇ¥, GÇ£bountiesGÇ¥, GÇ£incursionsGÇ¥, and GÇ¥multiplicationGÇ¥; you do not understand how ratios work, how they can be used, or how to calculate them.

Already answered: same place as all official facts.

Already answered. In fact, you have already read missed it and not understood a word of it. I am not qualified to teach on such alow educational level so I can only refer you to your primary-school teacher.

Because you think they are in any way relevant to the question of bounties.

Nah. Missions earn about the same GÇö it has just become relatively worse compared to the new means of making money that have been introduced.