I read mission rewards 74b mission bonuses 71b incusions 301b so what ratio we talking? Thats 450ishb day weres the multyplycation come into it you mean the x3-4 you typed if so link of sorce if not explain the multyplycation when ccp tweet already state facts about isk in a day in feb no mention of 600b 900b or any multyplycation

and what yiu on about incusions you asked me to read up tje reward structure thought this was mission faucet thread?

So wait - if you remove bounties, where do you suppose ISK comes from after that?

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Although I do think this is a pretty good idea, IMO wormholes are a more pressing matter. They are massive massive isk faucets, and due to the sheer number of wormholes there are pretty risk free. There is no competition with WHs because there are so many, pretty much every pilot in EVE could have their own solo C5. Half the amount of wormholes and make those WH corps fight for their isk faucets.

This is so wrong, it's not even pathetic.

Show me a screenshot please, that shows what bounty-tick a Sleeper gives? Oh that's right, there isn't one.

"Solo C5," eh?

If you mean "solo" as "you + a couple dozen alts," then maybe, yes, but C5s are not normally soloable content.

Get a clue before shooting your beak off, please.

You've noticed that he doesn't mention bounties, I hope? I hope you noticed that what he actually says is that w-space has some massive ISK faucets. There is nothing wrong with this GÇö they do, to the tune of just over 200bn ISK a day at the last count.

Also, I suppose you didn't notice that he didn't say anthing about soloing C5s. He said that there are enough of them to let everyone have one of their own. This is a bit of an exaggeration, of course (2,500 w-space systems, of which 500 are C5s, for roughly 45k characters), but the point was one of lack of competition and <20 characters per system does indeed indicate something to that effect.

[...] Good advice. So good that you might want to consider it yourself.

I sometimes wonder how many of the lo-sec, null-sec, pixel hardmen run the missions they have so much disdain for.

The word, hypocrite, springs to mind.

It's strongly implied in how he says it.

Where and how old are the figures that say ISK 200bn/d?

Again, it's implied strongly.

here here making annoms in o.o have ship restrictions like FW complexes would help out alot too and also would tying them into sov warfare greatly help small scale warfare in o.o

Caps in anoms is a rare thing these days.

Sweet, so not many people will complain about caps removal from anoms and it will still helps isk faucet a bit. It will also make anoms more challanging.

I am just glad I resisted the urge to pay for long term subscriptions on my accounts. I love the game and don't mind wars or having to defend myself if a muppet wants to try to gank me, but if hi sec gets nerfed to the degree that the more vocal egocentric people want then this game will be headed a direction I don't want forced upon me. My oldest character was created June 03 (though haven't been active the entire time) so have seen the game change alot and think nerfing hi sec to force people into low or to punish them is a step backwards. Rather than nerf hi sec try being more creative with fixing null to intice people there as punishing them for not going will backfire. That is what this all comes down to, nerf missions so there is no fun or income to be found in high forcing them into other areas.

CCP Soundwave implied it is a real problem

So let me get this straight. . . . .

We will be left with more hardcore players that don't pay a sub to play as a percentage.

I have no idea why the community wouldn't want this and why CCP shouldn't consider this.

See the OP is really not suggesting nerfing missions, if anything it may be a bit of a buff. Jace you hit the nail on the head, your isk buys less than it did 24 or even 12 months ago, and that is due to inflation. Every time somebody runs a mission they are rewarded with fresh isk injected into the economy. This means that every single time somebody besides you runs a mission the isk you have in your wallet becomes worth less. As more isk comes into the game, the buying power of the isk you have drops.

If missions rewards were changed to not be worth less, but to be paid out with mostly items as opposed to new isk, it would benefit the mission runner (and every one else in New Eden). You would be getting the same amount of isk (after selling LP items), but your isk would have much better purchasing power allowing you to by more ships for the same amount of isk.


Although I do think this is a pretty good idea, IMO wormholes are a more pressing matter. They are massive massive isk faucets, and due to the sheer number of wormholes there are pretty risk free. There is no competition with WHs because there are so many, pretty much every pilot in EVE could have their own solo C5. Half the amount of wormholes and make those WH corps fight for their isk faucets.

More null/low sec dwellers trying to get high-sec nerfed. They even have some of their friends coming up in here posting stuff like "herp derp I run missions on my alt because I make more isk doing that than my null sec crap". Sure...sure.

I think we need to start petitioning CCP to screw up null and low sec. Those plexes in null definitely need nerfing for sure, as well as mining and all other possible null sec "isk faucets". Let's get on this, guys.

Probably some accuracy in that statement. If Hi-sec is such a faucet with no risk, wouldn't the guys complaining go to where the easy isk is? Surely they like easy isk? ;)

Are you serious? Does hisec look like a ghost town right now?

The many many remaining ISK faucets. Even in the best (worst?) case scenario where missions inject 600bn, the total elimination of that ISK injection would still leave a net influx of 400bn a day.

I don't see it. I see him mentioning the ISK faucet from w-space as a better target for adjustment than mission bounties.

[...] And yes, there can indeed be that much blue loot. For instance, 7 trillion ISK in January alone means 225bn ISK daily on average.

Again, it's implied strongly.

And again, I don't see it. A GÇ£solo wormholeGÇ¥ is not the same thing as a GÇ£wormhole to soloGÇ¥. One describes the state of the system; the other describes an activity.

No thanks. Just the next chapter in the endless saga of nerf hi sec because they play diffferently than I do.

I, as Null sec player, agree with this statement.

You mean; Remaining ISK faucets not in high sec? Why don't we remove some ISK faucets from null and WH for a change.

So why not just make Blue-loot player-only tradeable? Problem solved?

Why would someone be in a wormhole system at all if not to do at least some of the content?

Are you serious? Does hisec look like a ghost town right now?

Null has had severe reductions in their ISK faucets already, so no, it's probably highsec's turn.

And no, I mean remaining ISK faucets. There are only four real ones in the game and none of them are specific to any particular part of space.