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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
439
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Posted - 2012.11.12 00:59:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:In any case nullsec doesn't need a cut in bounties. That would do little to help the EVE economy compared to the amount of harm it would do.
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Tippia wrote:Quote:all the carriers running noms in 0.0 av nothing to do with it am i right? There's too few of them.
CCP Soundwave implied it is a real problem ( supers in anoms ) from what he said in the CSM minutes... But w/o CCP Diagoras or any tweeting replacement for him we arein the dark about howbig an ISKfaucet itis Meta-gaming for NULL SECCers: Whine on the forums like a little ***** until CCP gets sick of you and hands you everything you ask for just to shut you up.-á Typical NULL seccer whine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u299-o66wo&feature=related |

baltec1
Bat Country
2779
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Posted - 2012.11.12 01:00:00 -
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Zoe Issier wrote:
anything more up to date we in november now
The ratio hasn't changed for the past six years. |

Oblivion Maximus
Interstellar Zombie Turtles
1
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Posted - 2012.11.12 01:01:00 -
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Amateratsu wrote:Reduce the number of gated rooms - there is nothing more boring than having to slowboat 40 - 50km to each gate in multiple rooms.
Reduce the number of npc,s - but make them much tougher, instead of multiple rooms filled with 20+ npc,s have 1 (maybe 2) rooms with 2 to 4 groups of 3 or 4 npc,s, but make those npc,s as tough as the previous 20+ and take as long to kill. Give them the ehp / resists and dps of an equivalent player fitted ship.
Inprove Npc AI. - the upcoming AI changes are a good start, but the pilot of an npc should be thinking hey i'm getting hammered, im warping out to rep up... give them the abbility to warp / micro jump out of range to rep up and then return to the battle rather than the current lemmings to the slaughter.
So you will have to tackle / scram them to hold them in place. Have only 1 group aggro at a time, unless you get too close or shoot at another group, in which can your in serious risk of getting your ass handed to you on a platter.
Remove / reduce bounties - remove the isk faucet that everyone complains about, compensate by increasing LP payout and add lots more shinnies to the LP Stores, That way the isk comes from trading those shinnies with other players instead of an isk faucet.
Reduce the quantity of tags required to purchase LP store items - Seriously, the quantity of tags required for most items in the LP stores is ludicrous and can only be obtained by buying them of the market which renders a lot of the LP store items worthless and cheaper to buy from the player market than the LP Store. increase LP required to buy items, reduce isk / tags required.
TLDR. Reduce # NPC's, make them much toughter, remove / reduce bountys, increase LP Reward / Items to compensate Heat shields activated, flame away
Isk faucet...Lmao fuc king noob... You think isk from missions is the problem...LMAO Average person in eve has a few billion... and that is what I would say are the Low Class..... Medium consist of people from 20-75 billion... Upper class from 75-150billion.. And Elite class over 200 and you are crying about someone that sits through hours of game play to make a few hunred million isk a day.....CRY A LITTLE MORE YOU BABY
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baltec1
Bat Country
2779
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Posted - 2012.11.12 01:01:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Tippia wrote:Quote:all the carriers running noms in 0.0 av nothing to do with it am i right? There's too few of them. CCP Soundwave implied it is a real problem from what he said in the CSM minutes... But w/o CCP Diagoras or any tweeting replacement for him we arein the dark about howbig an ISKfaucet itis
How did you manage to quote that? |

fukier
Flatline.
126
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Posted - 2012.11.12 01:03:00 -
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Tippia wrote:fukier wrote:but i have personal irks about the LP store... i just hate stuff coming from nothing in EVE (salvaging a wrek and finding mods is one thing)... if you ask me everything in the LP store should be BPC only... Doesn't pretty much every last piece of equipment also require its T1 counterpart as part of the bargain (obviously barring the ones that have none, such as implants and chips and charters)? None of those come from nothing: they are value-add processes of existing goods. The BPCs just let you get by using other materials and a production slot instead of throwing more tags at the item.
You are correct most/ if not all the items you get from LP store have to have their t1 version to get them but it skips the manufacturing process...
The the consumption of the TI item happen in the manufacturing process and not a button on the LP store.
IMO all items that are not found in wrecks should be player manufactured... and that includes nex store items. At the end of the game both the pawn and the Queen go in the same box. |

Zoe Issier
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.11.12 01:11:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Zoe Issier wrote:Why should i wast my time searching Because you asked for it. Just because you can't be arsed to look up the reference doesn't mean the numbers don't exist. Oh, and they're not random, and they are pulled from the game. If that happens to displease you, you can always go and perform your own study. As it is, 150bn ISK/day (rewards + bonuses) +ù 3GÇô4 GåÆ 450GÇô600bn ISK/day in bounties compared to the 900bn total.
Were did you get the x 3-4 number?
All iv seen is some dude 75 missions 33hours 1.5b a old feb post from ccp rewards 74b bonuses 71b and incursions 301b no mention of 0.0 rat isk and out of date
so how did you get 450b-600b day unless you mean missions AND incursion income but still no mention of 0.0 |

baltec1
Bat Country
2779
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Posted - 2012.11.12 01:14:00 -
[97] - Quote
Zoe Issier wrote:
so how did you get 450b-600b day unless you mean missions AND incursion income but still no mention of 0.0
baltec1 wrote:
Dr Eyjolfur Gudmundsson's work.
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Zoe Issier
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.11.12 01:17:00 -
[98] - Quote
Zoe Issier wrote:Tippia wrote:Zoe Issier wrote:Why should i wast my time searching Because you asked for it. Just because you can't be arsed to look up the reference doesn't mean the numbers don't exist. Oh, and they're not random, and they are pulled from the game. If that happens to displease you, you can always go and perform your own study. As it is, 150bn ISK/day (rewards + bonuses) +ù 3GÇô4 GåÆ 450GÇô600bn ISK/day in bounties compared to the 900bn total. Were did you get the x 3-4 number? All iv seen is some dude 75 missions 33hours 1.5b a old feb post from ccp rewards 74b bonuses 71b and incursions 301b no mention of 0.0 rat isk and out of date so how did you get 450b-600b day unless you mean missions AND incursion income but still no mention of 0.0
Also 33 hours 75 missions for 1.5b and ppl wana nurf that wow just wow i wouldnt even wast my time on them tbh |

Silk daShocka
Greasy Hair Club
96
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Posted - 2012.11.12 01:22:00 -
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Zoe Issier wrote:Zoe Issier wrote:Tippia wrote:Zoe Issier wrote:Why should i wast my time searching Because you asked for it. Just because you can't be arsed to look up the reference doesn't mean the numbers don't exist. Oh, and they're not random, and they are pulled from the game. If that happens to displease you, you can always go and perform your own study. As it is, 150bn ISK/day (rewards + bonuses) +ù 3GÇô4 GåÆ 450GÇô600bn ISK/day in bounties compared to the 900bn total. Were did you get the x 3-4 number? All iv seen is some dude 75 missions 33hours 1.5b a old feb post from ccp rewards 74b bonuses 71b and incursions 301b no mention of 0.0 rat isk and out of date so how did you get 450b-600b day unless you mean missions AND incursion income but still no mention of 0.0 Also 33 hours 75 missions for 1.5b and ppl wana nurf that wow just wow i wouldnt even wast my time on them tbh
So why would you care if they were nerfed? |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10300
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Posted - 2012.11.12 01:22:00 -
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Zoe Issier wrote:i made no claims pulled no random out my rear end GǪaside from claiming that the existing data was random BS, without anything to support your assertion.
Quote:feb 1st total mission rewards 74b mission bonuses 71b incusions 301b
anything more up to date we in november now It rose by 8% over two years when under pressure from a number of new competing activities (that have since lost some of their popularity); the ratio between rewards, bonuses, and bounties is fixed and has been the same for over half a decade. Extrapolate freely from these facts.
DarthNefarius wrote:CCP Soundwave implied it is a real problem from what he said in the CSM minutes... The problem was rather how much they earned for what they did. Anomaly-ratting caps were the biggest earners, but that doesn't mean they're a macro-scale issue unless there's a lot of them. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |

Amateratsu
The Pegasus Project
26
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Posted - 2012.11.12 01:30:00 -
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Oblivion Maximus wrote:
Isk faucet...Lmao fuc king noob... You think isk from missions is the problem...LMAO Average person in eve has a few billion... and that is what I would say are the Low Class..... Medium consist of people from 20-75 billion... Upper class from 75-150billion.. And Elite class over 200 and you are crying about someone that sits through hours of game play to make a few hunred million isk a day.....CRY A LITTLE MORE YOU BABY
I'm not complaining or crying about anything, I'm just suggesting a few things to make mission running more interesting and challenging.
Try reading this thread and you will see who is really complaining and crying about mission isk faucets.
It nevers ceases to amaze how people can blurt insults without reading or understanding the discussion or what is being suggested |

Shederov Blood
Wrecketeers
213
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Posted - 2012.11.12 01:31:00 -
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Sisohiv wrote:It will not happen but I would like to see them add Corelli tags, remove all bounties and give bounties from tags. All mission rats named corelli or corpelli drop corelli or corpelli bounty tags. Belt rats drop standard Serpentis, Sansha etc. Each has a value. The reason I know this won't get done is because most tags are not a productive part of the EVE game and most are in the game from 9 years ago. The millions of tags in the game would mean hyper inflation if only in the short term but it would have devastating effects. Further to that, I'd also like to see security increases for killing the rats removed. Then you'd have the option to trade the tags to CONCORD for either ISK or sec status. That way you'd have the option of selling the tags to other players, and get more ISK than you would from bounties, without injecting any into the economy. Some might complain that pirates would just be able to buy their sec status back, but others might see it as poetic justice that they'd have to pay the missioners and ratters to get it. ... but as you say, the millions of tags already laying about kills that idea. |

Zoe Issier
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.11.12 01:31:00 -
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Zoe Issier wrote:Tippia wrote:Zoe Issier wrote:Why should i wast my time searching Because you asked for it. Just because you can't be arsed to look up the reference doesn't mean the numbers don't exist. Oh, and they're not random, and they are pulled from the game. If that happens to displease you, you can always go and perform your own study. As it is, 150bn ISK/day (rewards + bonuses) +ù 3GÇô4 GåÆ 450GÇô600bn ISK/day in bounties compared to the 900bn total. I thought your numbers were bull as you offerd no proff and now i defo think your number are bs can you awnser the below? Were did you get the x 3-4 number? All iv seen is some dude 75 missions 33hours 1.5b a old feb post from ccp rewards 74b bonuses 71b and incursions 301b no mention of 0.0 rat isk and out of date so how did you get 450b-600b day unless you mean missions AND incursion income but still no mention of 0.0
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10301
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Posted - 2012.11.12 01:36:00 -
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Zoe Issier wrote:and now i defo think your number are bs Why is that, since you have already proven that you have nothing to dispute them with?
Quote:Were did you get the x 3-4 number? Read the threads. Look at the numbers. Now see if you can understand the numbers as well.
Quote:so how did you get 450b-600b day unless you mean missions AND incursion income but still no mention of 0.0 900bn ISK/day in bounties paid out GÇö known. 1:3GÇô1:4 ratio between rewards and bounties GÇö empirically tested. 150bn ISK/day in rewards GÇö known.
Thus: 450GÇô600bn ISK/day in mission-specific bounties.
While on your reading spree, you should probably read up on the reward structure in incursions as well.  GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |

Zoe Issier
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.11.12 01:46:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Zoe Issier wrote:and now i defo think your number are bs Why is that, since you have already proven that you have nothing to dispute them with? Quote:Were did you get the x 3-4 number? Read the threads. Look at the numbers. Now see if you can understand the numbers as well. Quote:so how did you get 450b-600b day unless you mean missions AND incursion income but still no mention of 0.0 900bn ISK/day in bounties paid out GÇö known. 1:3GÇô1:4 ratio between rewards and bounties GÇö empirically tested. 150bn ISK/day in rewards GÇö known. Thus: 450GÇô600bn ISK/day in mission-specific bounties. While on your reading spree, you should probably read up on the reward structure in incursions as well. 
Ooo evasive awnsers ay?
Feb ccp tweet 150ishb missions 301b incusrions so 450b big jump to 600b
were is the 900b isk day fact? any link to official sorce?
Why so evaseive were u get the x3-4 its ok you can tell us is it a random number? |

Zoe Issier
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.11.12 01:55:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Zoe Issier wrote:and now i defo think your number are bs Why is that, since you have already proven that you have nothing to dispute them with? Quote:Were did you get the x 3-4 number? Read the threads. Look at the numbers. Now see if you can understand the numbers as well. Quote:so how did you get 450b-600b day unless you mean missions AND incursion income but still no mention of 0.0 900bn ISK/day in bounties paid out GÇö known. 1:3GÇô1:4 ratio between rewards and bounties GÇö empirically tested. 150bn ISK/day in rewards GÇö known. Thus: 450GÇô600bn ISK/day in mission-specific bounties. While on your reading spree, you should probably read up on the reward structure in incursions as well. 
The lp in incursions is isk sink only the bounty atbend of site is isk foucet so why read up reward structure of incusions? |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10301
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Posted - 2012.11.12 01:56:00 -
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Zoe Issier wrote:Ooo evasive awnsers ay? No. Just direct ones.
Quote:Feb ccp tweet 150ishb missions 301b incusrions so 450b big jump to 600b So in other words, you have not read a single word; you are completely unfamiliar with concepts such as GÇ£mission rewardsGÇ¥, GÇ£bountiesGÇ¥, GÇ£incursionsGÇ¥, and GÇ¥multiplicationGÇ¥; you do not understand how ratios work, how they can be used, or how to calculate them.
Quote:were is the 900b isk day fact? Already answered: same place as all official facts.
Quote:were u get the x3-4 Already answered. In fact, you have already read missed it and not understood a word of it. I am not qualified to teach on such a low educational level so I can only refer you to your primary-school teacher.
Quote:why read up reward structure of incusions? Because you think they are in any way relevant to the question of bounties. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |

baltec1
Bat Country
2779
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Posted - 2012.11.12 01:58:00 -
[108] - Quote
Zoe Issier wrote:
Why so evaseive were u get the x3-4 its ok you can tell us is it a random number?
baltec1 wrote:
Dr Eyjolfur Gudmundsson's work.
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Zoe Issier
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.11.12 02:09:00 -
[109] - Quote
Quote:Feb ccp tweet 150ishb missions 301b incusrions so 450b big jump to 600b So in other words, you have not read a single word; you are completely unfamiliar with concepts such as GÇ£mission rewardsGÇ¥, GÇ£bountiesGÇ¥, GÇ£incursionsGÇ¥, and GÇ¥multiplicationGÇ¥; you do not understand how ratios work, how they can be used, or how to calculate them.
Quote:were is the 900b isk day fact? Already answered: same place as all official facts.
Quote:were u get the x3-4 Already answered. In fact, you have already read missed it and not understood a word of it. I am not qualified to teach on such alow educational level so I can only refer you to your primary-school teacher.
Quote:why read up reward structure of incusions? Because you think they are in any way relevant to the question of bounties.[/quote]
I read mission rewards 74b mission bonuses 71b incusions 301b so what ratio we talking? Thats 450ishb day weres the multyplycation come into it you mean the x3-4 you typed if so link of sorce if not explain the multyplycation when ccp tweet already state facts about isk in a day in feb no mention of 600b 900b or any multyplycation
and what yiu on about incusions you asked me to read up tje reward structure thought this was mission faucet thread?
Becouse you type somthing and say fact or know doesnt make it so please provide sorce of said fact
like i said me personaly i couldnt care less all i do in eve is kill **** this seemed intresting as i wad browseing but i dnt take facts just becouse someone says fact need relyable sorce |
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ISD TYPE40
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2883

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Posted - 2012.11.12 02:21:00 -
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I've cleaned some personal attack and troll posts from this thread. Please remember that such things are a breach of the forum rules and can lead to warnings and eventually a ban.
Forum Rules wrote:
6. Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another. Text of this nature is not beneficial to the community spirit and will not be tolerated. Corporation, faction and alliance members and other players are cautioned to avoid allowing GÇ£in characterGÇ¥ disputes from becoming "out of character" personal attacks. The game is designed for role-playing and/or portraying a role and it is sometimes easy for tempers to flare when the lines between the virtual world and the real world are crossed. Please keep in-game disputes in the game and off the forum unless it is clearly a mutual, in-character exchange.
7. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is the word used to describe a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting the players. Posts of this nature are disruptive and do not contribute to the sense of community we want for our forums.
Please stay on topic and respectful of other forum users, thank you - ISD Type40. ISD Type40 Lt. Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Ai Shun
818
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Posted - 2012.11.12 02:22:00 -
[111] - Quote
Zoe Issier wrote:I read mission rewards 74b mission bonuses 71b incusions 301b so what ratio we talking? Thats 450ishb day weres the multyplycation come into it you mean the x3-4 you typed if so link of sorce if not explain the multyplycation when ccp tweet already state facts about isk in a day in feb no mention of 600b 900b or any multyplycation
and what yiu on about incusions you asked me to read up tje reward structure thought this was mission faucet thread?
Becouse you type somthing and say fact or know doesnt make it so please provide sorce of said fact
like i said me personaly i couldnt care less all i do in eve is kill **** this seemed intresting as i wad browseing but i dnt take facts just becouse someone says fact need relyable sorce
Can I recommend that you take a step back? EVE Ambulation and Avatars as a separate game - see here |

Lipbite
Express Hauler
216
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Posted - 2012.11.12 02:39:00 -
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For many players missions are the only familiar activity and source of income in the game. Hi-sec missions won't make anyone space rich and the only reason they pour substantial amount of ISK into EVE economy is their popularity. Nerf missions and monoclegeddon will be dwarfed by new players exodus.
So I guess "nerf missions" themes will be ignored by CCP developers who don't want to lose their jobs due to possible financial troubles in case of shrinking player base. |

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
22
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Posted - 2012.11.12 04:26:00 -
[113] - Quote
Some people need to do two things.
A: Read Dev Blogs, where CCP have stated their intent to do basically what the Op asks for over a long period of time, starting with the introduction of the 'new' (I.e. Incursion) AI onto 'all' (Except the totally OP Plex towers/fortresses that currently exist) NPC's. And proceed to make them behave smarter.
And... B: learn standards of citation, that require the person quoting the figures to provide the direct link to the reference they are using. Telling someone 'Go search the library/internet/university for this persons work' is not a correct citation, and would get you laughed at in any academic circle. You all like to claim Eve isn't for idiots, prove it by following more correct academic procedure, because the 'citations' I've seen in this thread are worthy of WoW. |

Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
78
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Posted - 2012.11.12 04:37:00 -
[114] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Huh? The 10% across the board cut in bounties proposed by CCP Soundwave in his Ten Ton Hammer interview has yet to be implemented anywhere except on incursion Vanguards I could have swore there was an overall bounty reduction in there somewhere, individual rat bounties look much different than when I started playing (pre-Incarna). But you appear to be right, I can't find any record in the patch notes. vOv |

Kara Vix
Sanford and Son Salvage Peregrine Nation
60
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Posted - 2012.11.12 05:31:00 -
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Just another day in Eve, lets nerf the activity the other guy does, lets nerf the ships the other guy flies until you are left wondering where the other guy went. I don't know why I read this forum, like a moth to a flame I guess, because I cannot remember reading anything else in my adult life I have hated more than this thing. |

Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
78
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Posted - 2012.11.12 05:36:00 -
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Kara Vix wrote:I don't know why I read this forum If you can't figure that out you should probably just abstain from posting. |

Kara Vix
Sanford and Son Salvage Peregrine Nation
60
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Posted - 2012.11.12 05:41:00 -
[117] - Quote
Some Rando wrote:Kara Vix wrote:I don't know why I read this forum If you can't figure that out you should probably just abstain from posting.
Perhaps, but thats not going to happen so long as those who wish to destroy hi sec are spamming their idiocy and CCP seems to need the forums to find direction, my opinion is going to be expressed. |

Kyra Yaken
State War Academy Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2012.11.12 05:44:00 -
[118] - Quote
Remove caps from entering anomalies will help too True story Bro. |

Angeal MacNova
The Scope Gallente Federation
31
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Posted - 2012.11.12 06:29:00 -
[119] - Quote
Not sure about any faucet but missions could use an update. I like what some had said....
Missions shouldn't be just a multiroom target shoot. Having fewer but tougher ships is good. Having missions be a kind of pvp practice is good as well. The enemy ships should be actual fitted ships controlled by AI. They should be vulnerable to to things like vamps and neuts. They should warp out, such that if you get them down to hull a timer starts (timer length depends on the ship, mission level, ect.) and if you don't kill them before they warp out, they leave, repair and return.
This means that points and scrams are needed. Some enemies can be locked by a point but others require a scram. Those that require a scram could have longer timers so even though you can't lock them down, you could maybe kill them before they warp out.
As for solo vs group. I think they should put a system in place that will adjust the difficulty depending on how many people make up the fleet. In turn, the rewards (mission reward, bonus, bounties, etc.) would have to be increased as well so that they are basically the same per person. |

fukier
Flatline.
126
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Posted - 2012.11.12 06:34:00 -
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Kyra Yaken wrote:Remove caps from entering anomalies will help too
here here making annoms in o.o have ship restrictions like FW complexes would help out alot too and also would tying them into sov warfare greatly help small scale warfare in o.o
At the end of the game both the pawn and the Queen go in the same box. |
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