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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.18 14:29:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Pohbis wrote:Malcanis wrote:Fun fact: no it isn't That's a very well thought out argument, and I am sure it's not only me who appreciates that you took the time to post it. But is he wrong? The answer is no. CONCORD says it's fine.
If you want to be really sure, shoot the bumper and see if that's "ok"" or not. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2012.11.18 15:10:00 -
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Okay, this thread has gone way off topic, way back on topic again, then off again.
I left it open so that people had a place to discuss the bumping mechanic.
It's being locked because clearly this is a discussion that's losing focus. The GM's position regarding bumping has been made clear, so there's no more need for any other threads regarding this.
Further threads created will be treated as spam, and dealt with as such. I'll have ISD clean this one up and re-open it once they're happy with it.
Do not create more threads on this subject.
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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1066
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Posted - 2012.11.18 19:25:00 -
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Hi,
This thread has had a severe pruning at the request of CCP.
I urge everyone to take heed of CCP Falcon's post, above mine.
Thanks.
ISD Suvetar,-áCaptain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department We are hiring! |
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Galaxy Pig
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
148
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Posted - 2012.11.18 19:43:00 -
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o7 Noble volunteer. |
Tubrug1
Lai Dai First Guard
49
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Posted - 2012.11.18 19:48:00 -
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HUZZAH! I don't always troll, but when I do it's on a nerf the New Order thread- www.minerbumping.com |
admiral root
Red Galaxy Persona Non Gratis
149
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Posted - 2012.11.18 20:05:00 -
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I'm online now if you want to purchase your mining indulgance. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Melvin Coulter
Cobalt Conspiracy Incorporated
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Posted - 2012.11.18 20:07:00 -
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I am also online if any miners need a safe haven to mine at Mining without a perimit,till the day I die |
Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
109
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Posted - 2012.11.18 20:09:00 -
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Melvin Coulter wrote:I am also online if any miners need a safe haven to mine at Just out of interest, how are you providing a safe haven?
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Melvin Coulter
Cobalt Conspiracy Incorporated
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Posted - 2012.11.18 20:13:00 -
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far away from the new order
Why are we still on this topic i believe everything has been said that needs to be said? Mining without a perimit,till the day I die |
Nexus Day
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
115
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Posted - 2012.11.18 20:36:00 -
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So New Order disparages non-risk taking isk making by making isk without risk taking.
And they are selling mining rights in hi-sec, which is supposedly part of a sovreign nation.
They target systems with NPC corps and new players calling them a threat to the game.
And CCP tells people to deal with it without providing a legitimate means for the players being victimized to deal with it.
And they pretend like it is one entity instead of hundreds of "fanbois" that are undertaking this activity.
Wow, this is the intelligent, gritty game I thought I was joining. |
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Melvin Coulter
Cobalt Conspiracy Incorporated
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Posted - 2012.11.18 20:39:00 -
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Nexus Day wrote:So New Order disparages non-risk taking isk making by making isk without risk taking.
And they are selling mining rights in hi-sec, which is supposedly part of a sovreign nation.
They target systems with NPC corps and new players calling them a threat to the game.
And CCP tells people to deal with it without providing a legitimate means for the players being victimized to deal with it.
And they pretend like it is one entity instead of hundreds of "fanbois" that are undertaking this activity.
Wow, this is the intelligent, gritty game I thought I was joining.
um...
yeah that about sums it up
if you're leaving can i has your stuff?
But in all realty i honestly starting to get headache from laughing Mining without a perimit,till the day I die |
Nanatoa
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
163
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Posted - 2012.11.18 20:40:00 -
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Nexus Day wrote:the intelligent, gritty game I thought I was joining.
That's where you went wrong. EVE is not a "intelligent, gritty game", it is a "cold, dark and harsh world" (as once described by CCP Wrangler).
We do what we must, because we can.
MinerBumping.com |
admiral root
Red Galaxy Persona Non Gratis
149
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Posted - 2012.11.18 20:41:00 -
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Any chance you could re-write that in a manner that makes it readable? TIA. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Melvin Coulter
Cobalt Conspiracy Incorporated
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Posted - 2012.11.18 20:43:00 -
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admiral root wrote:Any chance you could re-write that in a manner that makes it readable? TIA.
Allow me good sir,
The new order is taking all of our isk with no risk to them
and now ccp is allowing this?
WTF? this is the game i payed for? Mining without a perimit,till the day I die |
Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
109
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Posted - 2012.11.18 20:47:00 -
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Nexus Day wrote:So New Order disparages non-risk taking isk making by making isk without risk taking. The fee for our permit is a monetary symbol to make it mean something to the miners. If we actually wanted to make money from it, the fee would be a lot higher.
Nexus Day wrote:And they are selling mining rights in hi-sec, which is supposedly part of a sovreign nation.
They target systems with NPC corps and new players calling them a threat to the game. I hardly think anyone flying a Mackinaw is a new player. And as for the sovereign nation, yes; James is the sovereign.
Nexus Day wrote:And CCP tells people to deal with it without providing a legitimate means for the players being victimized to deal with it. No, CCP Falcon did actually provide some suggestions for avoiding it. Orbiting the 'roid, for example. Or finding somewhere else to mine. www.proveldtariat.wordpress.com has lots of helpful tips!
Nexus Day wrote:And they pretend like it is one entity instead of hundreds of "fanbois" that are undertaking this activity. Not sure about 'hundreds'. I only have 138 bumpers listed, which would really be more 'dozens'.
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Kenneth O'Hara
Bareback Pornstars Fade 2 Black
4883
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Posted - 2012.11.18 21:48:00 -
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Bumping IS a mechanic of the game. It's what happens when 2 or more objects that have mass and velocity collide or "bump" if you will... If you are constantly abusing this mechanic to achieve a goal not intended for the original purpose of the mechanic, then it is by definition an exploit or a "hack". Sometimes though, their really isn't anything to do about the mechanic its self. To change it would throw off the immersion of the game.
It's kind of like using soda cans to pop open pad locks. (yes, it can be done and I have done it as proof of concept) Now, with this little exploit, should soda can companies completely redesign their cans to stop this exploit or should the pad lock companies redesign there locks for making such crappy locks?
CCP has already stated here several times that bumping is a mechanic. Though the bumping does border on exploitation and harassment as being used in this manner, there is really nothing CCP can ultimately do to the game its self. If you feel that CCP can do something to the players, think again. The players using this bumping mechanic have found a way to put up a fight against botting and AFK miners. They have also found a way to make money off of it by turning it into extortion which, in EVE, is not illegal. There fore it is legal and nothing in terms of law enforcement can be done against this type of gameplay.
If miners want this to stop, you are going to have to find a way to fight against this yourselves. CCP is NOT going to help you as they have pointed out several times in this thread. They even went as far as giving 2 options to fight back but you refuse to listen. CCP is tired of catering to every single whinner in the game and want the players to think for themselves and use in game mechanics and opportunities to fix their own problems.
P.S: I know this seems like a rant. Sorry, it's really not. There's just a lot of points to cover. Best thread ever!!!
Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke |
Melvin Coulter
Cobalt Conspiracy Incorporated
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Posted - 2012.11.18 21:50:00 -
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As an intelligent miner I figured that our along ass time ago. that being ccp not doing anything this time Mining without a perimit,till the day I die |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
984
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Posted - 2012.11.18 22:26:00 -
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Kenneth O'Hara wrote:The players using this bumping mechanic have found a way to put up a fight against botting and AFK miners. They have also found a way to make money off of it by turning it into extortion which, in EVE, is not illegal. There fore it is legal and nothing in terms of law enforcement can be done against this type of gameplay.
This is the main issue, and let me get this straight.
So the new Bumpers are only going after Bots and AFK miners you say. (I doubt that is the limit of their activities.) So, they are trying to extort from the Bots and not reporting them ? It seems to me that their stated strategy relies on this terrible principle of 'encouraging' botting behavior so they can make more ISK off them.
That is a pretty broken mechanic. I feel there should be consequences from CCP against Bumnpers who are found to have made transactions with Bots that CCP discovers (instead of being reported).
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Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
1774
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Posted - 2012.11.18 22:31:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Kenneth O'Hara wrote:The players using this bumping mechanic have found a way to put up a fight against botting and AFK miners. They have also found a way to make money off of it by turning it into extortion which, in EVE, is not illegal. There fore it is legal and nothing in terms of law enforcement can be done against this type of gameplay.
This is the main issue, and let me get this straight. So the new Bumpers are only going after Bots and AFK miners you say. (I doubt that is the limit of their activities.) So, they are trying to extort from the Bots and not reporting them ? It seems to me that their stated strategy relies on this terrible principle of 'encouraging' botting behavior so they can make more ISK off them. That is a pretty broken mechanic. I feel there should be consequences from CCP against Bumnpers who are found to have made transactions with Bots that CCP discovers (instead of being reported). You did not read the Code, did you? All miners without a permit are subject to bumping.
Bumping will be administered with obvious bots and AFK miners being the preferred bump targets.
ATK miners without a permit are fair game.
Miners with a permit who are caught mining AFK are also fair game.
Pretty simple.
Besides, who says they aren't reporting? Do you have evidence they aren't reporting Krixtal, or is this rumor-mongering on the forums? He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
984
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Posted - 2012.11.18 22:34:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Kenneth O'Hara wrote:The players using this bumping mechanic have found a way to put up a fight against botting and AFK miners. They have also found a way to make money off of it by turning it into extortion which, in EVE, is not illegal. There fore it is legal and nothing in terms of law enforcement can be done against this type of gameplay.
This is the main issue, and let me get this straight. So the new Bumpers are only going after Bots and AFK miners you say. (I doubt that is the limit of their activities.) So, they are trying to extort from the Bots and not reporting them ? It seems to me that their stated strategy relies on this terrible principle of 'encouraging' botting behavior so they can make more ISK off them. That is a pretty broken mechanic. I feel there should be consequences from CCP against Bumnpers who are found to have made transactions with Bots that CCP discovers (instead of being reported). You did not read the Code, did you? All miners without a permit are subject to bumping. Bumping will be administered with obvious bots and AFK miners being the preferred bump targets. ATK miners without a permit are fair game. Miners with a permit who are caught mining AFK are also fair game. Pretty simple. Besides, who says they aren't reporting? Do you have evidence they aren't reporting Krixtal, or is this rumor-mongering on the forums?
My point is that if they are making ISK off the bots, why on Earth would they ever report them ? |
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Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
1774
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Posted - 2012.11.18 22:36:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Kenneth O'Hara wrote:The players using this bumping mechanic have found a way to put up a fight against botting and AFK miners. They have also found a way to make money off of it by turning it into extortion which, in EVE, is not illegal. There fore it is legal and nothing in terms of law enforcement can be done against this type of gameplay.
This is the main issue, and let me get this straight. So the new Bumpers are only going after Bots and AFK miners you say. (I doubt that is the limit of their activities.) So, they are trying to extort from the Bots and not reporting them ? It seems to me that their stated strategy relies on this terrible principle of 'encouraging' botting behavior so they can make more ISK off them. That is a pretty broken mechanic. I feel there should be consequences from CCP against Bumnpers who are found to have made transactions with Bots that CCP discovers (instead of being reported). You did not read the Code, did you? All miners without a permit are subject to bumping. Bumping will be administered with obvious bots and AFK miners being the preferred bump targets. ATK miners without a permit are fair game. Miners with a permit who are caught mining AFK are also fair game. Pretty simple. Besides, who says they aren't reporting? Do you have evidence they aren't reporting Krixtal, or is this rumor-mongering on the forums? My point is that if they are making ISK off the bots, why on Earth would they ever report them ? They aren't making money off bots. Bots don't pay because they're bots.
So you're obviously just rumor-mongering on the forums. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2012.11.18 22:40:00 -
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Starting to go off topic again guys, sort it out.
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Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
1774
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Posted - 2012.11.18 22:42:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Starting to go off topic again guys, sort it out. Would you agree that because bots are targeted for bumping and offered mining permits (but don't buy them) that they are part of this dialogue?
Which part goes off-topic? He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Galaxy Pig
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
148
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Posted - 2012.11.18 22:47:00 -
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Don't question the will of the Falcon! |
Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
1775
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Posted - 2012.11.18 22:48:00 -
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Galaxy Pig wrote:Don't question the will of the Falcon! Not questioning Falcon's will bud.
I'm questioning the specificity of his words' intent.
I don't find that unreasonable. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Kenneth O'Hara
Bareback Pornstars Fade 2 Black
4889
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Posted - 2012.11.18 22:48:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Kenneth O'Hara wrote:The players using this bumping mechanic have found a way to put up a fight against botting and AFK miners. They have also found a way to make money off of it by turning it into extortion which, in EVE, is not illegal. There fore it is legal and nothing in terms of law enforcement can be done against this type of gameplay.
This is the main issue, and let me get this straight. So the new Bumpers are only going after Bots and AFK miners you say. (I doubt that is the limit of their activities.) So, they are trying to extort from the Bots and not reporting them ? It seems to me that their stated strategy relies on this terrible principle of 'encouraging' botting behavior so they can make more ISK off them. That is a pretty broken mechanic. I feel there should be consequences from CCP against Bumnpers who are found to have made transactions with Bots that CCP discovers (instead of being reported). You did not read the Code, did you? All miners without a permit are subject to bumping. Bumping will be administered with obvious bots and AFK miners being the preferred bump targets. ATK miners without a permit are fair game. Miners with a permit who are caught mining AFK are also fair game. Pretty simple. Besides, who says they aren't reporting? Do you have evidence they aren't reporting Krixtal, or is this rumor-mongering on the forums? Thank you Darth.
@Krixtal They have found a way to combat bots and afk miners in hisec and a way to make money by extorting it from legit miners. It is win win for them.
If you disagree, then fight back. Yes, it is hisec and your probably going to assume I mean to fit suicide gank ships and such which is one way. Just know that there are other forms of combat besides actually fighting.
Please use your imagination before posting another mindless rant. Best thread ever!!!
Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
984
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Posted - 2012.11.18 22:49:00 -
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It's probably for the best to just accept the reality of this technique, and see what happens in the future as it develops.
Batting all these ideas around endlessly is accomplishing nothing.
Over and out. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
984
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Posted - 2012.11.18 22:52:00 -
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Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Please use your imagination before posting another mindless rant.
An opinion with questions attempting to understand the situation is not a mindless rant.
You could be a little more mindfully civil.
I'm not entirely on the other side of the fance on this, believe it or not. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
949
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Posted - 2012.11.18 22:53:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Batting all these ideas around endlessly is accomplishing nothing.
Indeed but as per usual, same boring arguments and dudes opening same endless boring threads already discussed at least in 10 different threads per year.
brb |
Kenneth O'Hara
Bareback Pornstars Fade 2 Black
4889
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Posted - 2012.11.18 22:54:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:It's probably for the best to just accept the reality of this technique, and see what happens in the future as it develops.
Batting all these ideas around endlessly is accomplishing nothing.
Over and out. I have already clearly defined bumping in my earlier post. You can't get much clearer than that. Now we are just meta gaming. If you want to discuss ways to fight against this then I suggest creating a thread to do so. It should not be a thread discussing bumping as that is this thread or whining to CCP or to the bumpers. Best thread ever!!!
Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke |
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