Gankers need to whine more about mining hulls being too tanky so that 1 day CCP might nerf them a little bit.

Thats the thing, your main WONT be in danger as long as you DONT gank with it in highsec. You can still use it as a scout and stuff i guess but the damage from it won't be there UNLESS you are willing to risk being shot at.

We would, but we're outnumbered by a ratio of something like 80:1. It would be an exercise in futility. If this was possible, the change wouldn't have made it through in the first place.


Okay, so we're in agreement that this system was created solely for the purpose of decreasing ganker damage by 2.68%, which is the difference between having and not having Surgical Strike 5.

WAH.

No, its not ~3%, its a whole extra ship there as well as the difference of your main not having free travel while in highsec.

The main is replaced by another alt that has the same skills (it doesn't take a whole lot to fly a destroyer for maximum damage), aside from Surgical Strike 5. A skill that can easily be trained, by the way. So, if I go from ganking with my main, which needs freedom of movement in empire, to ganking with an alt, which has the same capabilities, but does not require freedom of movement since it's already -10, what exactly am I losing?

You are now saying that you wouldnt have main attack things along with your alts, but its always was one or the other ? As far as i can tell you are negative security on DC.

For like....i don't know what time, you are losing ability to FREELY travel in highsec, BECAUSE you can't use your non pirate main in ganks. You will become a more potential target because everyone can attack your alts.....not just the victim who you blew up if you were on the main.

Really, its a pretty big difference.

What part of "gank alts are outlaws and can already be attacked by anyone, anywhere" do you not understand?

Low sec is awesome. The people who call low sec home are the real pvpers of the game. But it is broken. Nobody wants to limit themselves and go -10. It wouldnt be so bad if it wasnt such a B**** to gain sec status. Id be there right now pew pewing away. They need to do something to this sec status system to make it not such a punishment to do what this game was intended for..pvp. I personally feel they should do away with the sec status and just add to your bounty when you do things that are against the "law".

Honestly, if you consider ganking good PvP you must live a very shallow life.

I considered it piracy given that we did it for isk. You can come and play with my megathron anytime you want out in 0.0. Or wait for the fun and games we have planned for this winter in high sec.

We're making progress here.

Okay, now, my next question is, why would I bother to gank on "DC," when I can outsource the activity fully to my gank alt(s)?

Let's introduce some constants here:

- I am indeed a person who up until the release of the next expansion has used main(s) for ganking, be it for convenience, extra damage from maxed-out skills, or whatever other reasons might exist.
- I am a person who requires main(s) to be able to move through empire with a moderate degree of freedom. For example, I do a lot of empire mercenary work and wars, and need to be able to go to any system to pursue my targets, including major hubs.

Actually, if players make the kill right available to everyone for free/cheap, your friend can easily claim it and clear it for you by destroying you in a rookie ship. If players make the kill right available to everyone but for a significant cost, most people won't have the desire to pay to destroy a ship that's not really worth it (or you could factor that into the cost of the attack).

As mentioned in SoniClover's dev blog yesterday, this is an intentional design of the bounty system.

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I love it. You people throw away millions of ISK to grief people that live in highsec, then yell that highsec is too lucrative and call for a nerf. And the dumb assed parrots echo your party line.

If by throw away you mean, make hundreds of billions then yes. incidently, all of our funding for these activities comes from high sec.

EVE was designed ground-up as a hardcore PVP game.

I grew up playing a lot of Monopoly, Risk, Stratego. I played a MUD where a lvl 20 player could teleport a lvl1 player into a dungeon and slay him. Where the only real protection from assholes like me, were the white knight players who would in turn hunt me. I played on a neverwinter nights server that had pretty hardcore pvp. I'd appear in the middle of town and cast Wail of Banshee, and watch 15 noobs around me drop dead instantly losing their gear. Once i did that a few times, i had monks running around hunting me every time i logged on, and that was a TON of fun. Imagine now if the noobs whined and nerfed death magic so i couldnt do that. No more running for me. Nobody for the white knights to hunt. Back to bordom. (and yes, many of the noobs did complain, and i eventually got banned... google my nwn player name "Nomius Phasha" you can still see the forum posts complaining about me =)

This right here is exactly how i've felt about the direction EVE has been taking regarding Highsec/Carebears.

We've got the oldschool eve pvp'ers who are the reason EVE is so successful, who know EVE is all about the ruthless PVP risk.
And then we have the newer players, who enjoy collecting things in highsec and doing their mining/missioning thing.

CCP has basically done what EA/Dice has done, and catered to the new crowd. Every patch increases CONCORD response times and limits pirating options. Players will shout "HTFU AND ADAPT" but this doesnt change the fact that PVP is being nerfed repeatedly in favor of carebear safety. The new players even say things like "but this is what i want to do", "pirates are ruining the game" etc...

How many PVP'ers have joined Hello Kitty Online and complained that the lack of PVP is destroying HKO? None. Because you dont play a game like HKO for the PVP. Its absurd to join it and then complain that there isnt pvp. Over at eve this is exactly whats going on though. We have a bunch of players who want to do nothing but grind for their 'best lvl 70 armors' for their highsec Golem and thats all they want to do, and they complain to CCP (successfull) to make fundamental mechanics changes to nerf PVP so that they can play WOW-in-Space.

The problem with your argument is that miners were easy to kill because they made it easy. Just about every single subcap can be profitably ganked if the fit their ships like miners do. In our interdiction we had at most 15 people. Statistically speaking the exhumer was one of the safest ships to be in according to CCPs own numbers.

Two of our pvp options were removed literaly because miners refused to fit a tank on their ships.

oh yeah... cause the buff to destroyers followed by a buff to blasters plus the introduction of tier 3 battlecruisers were there to help the miners. oh yeah.....

OP complains about suicide ganking is becoming harder and harder, yet more and more suicide ganking is taking place then ever before in the history of this game.

Im all in favour of boosting concord in high & eliminating easy ganks. If you wanted to fight in high sec, there are wars for a reason. If they hide in corps like 'the scope' then ccp needs to rethink their strategy.