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Kitty Bear Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance 134	Posted - 2012.11.22 14:48:00 - [61] - Quote Terminal Insanity wrote: Warning: This link is like 5 posts worth of information about bf3. http://www.mordorhq.com/showthread.php?3880-The-True-Story-of-Battlefield-3-the-Battlefield-Franchise-Its-Community-amp-EA-DICE The part i'm interested is near the end, i'll quote: Quote: If you are new to the Battlefield franchise (Bad Company 1 through Battlefield 3) you are part of the new audience. Players that have enjoyed Codename Eagle up to 2142 are part of the old fan base. First let me say this to the new guard, if you are enjoying Battlefield 3GÇª great. IGÇÖm glad that you are and I wouldnGÇÖt try to convince you that the game is not fun or that you shouldnGÇÖt be playing it. That being said, the new guard has absolutely no right to tell the old guard, GÇ£if you donGÇÖt like it, leaveGÇ¥ or GÇ£quit complaining.GÇ¥ Hear me out. IGÇÖll tell you why I think so. The old fans are the reason the franchise has lasted to make the sequels you now enjoy. The old fans know the legacy the franchise has built. They know what makes the series unique and have certain expectations based on previous entries. More than that though is the following point that I posit to you in a hypothetical. You enjoy Battlefield 3 for its insane amount of unlocks, the destruction, the vehicles. LetGÇÖs suppose Battlefield 4 removes all of those things. Whatever you liked about Battlefield 3 is removed from Battlefield 4 and a bunch of people new to the series end up loving it. ItGÇÖs great, fun, better than anything else out there. Battlefield 4: BarbieGÇÖs IRS Lecture Seminar has nothing resembling your beloved Battlefield 3 but the fans wonGÇÖt allow you to criticize because they love it. If you donGÇÖt like it, leave. This right here is exactly how i've felt about the direction EVE has been taking regarding Highsec/Carebears. We've got the oldschool eve pvp'ers who are the reason EVE is so successful, who know EVE is all about the ruthless PVP risk. And then we have the newer players, who enjoy collecting things in highsec and doing their mining/missioning thing. CCP has basically done what EA/Dice has done, and catered to the new crowd. Every patch increases CONCORD response times and limits pirating options. Players will shout "HTFU AND ADAPT" but this doesnt change the fact that PVP is being nerfed repeatedly in favor of carebear safety. The new players even say things like "but this is what i want to do", "pirates are ruining the game" etc... How many PVP'ers have joined Hello Kitty Online and complained that the lack of PVP is destroying HKO? None. Because you dont play a game like HKO for the PVP. Its absurd to join it and then complain that there isnt pvp. Over at eve this is exactly whats going on though. We have a bunch of players who want to do nothing but grind for their 'best lvl 70 armors' for their highsec Golem and thats all they want to do, and they complain to CCP (successfull) to make fundamental mechanics changes to nerf PVP so that they can play WOW-in-Space. BF3's turn for the worse was when they started offering "unlock packs" for sale as CCP have no intention of ever DIRCTLY selling SP I don't really see any merit in any of your arguments. your entire post is ....... redundant and irrelavent.
stoicfaux 1791	Posted - 2012.11.22 14:51:00 - [62] - Quote Terminal Insanity wrote: If you want an example of what im talking about, consider that ganking freighters in highsec will be a thing of the past after the new crimewatch system is in place. I guess i should elaborate. Being a highsec ganker, many people have killrights on me. After the new crimewatch system, anyone anywhere will be able to rightclick me > activate killright. I'm now killable by anyone/everyone. OMFG. You're scared! Ganking non-combat freighter alts was easy and now you're wetting your pants and want to cling to your mother's skirts because of Crimewatch. AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAomfgwhatamoronAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAAHseriouslyIcan'tstoplaughingAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHmywife'sfamilyislookingatmeAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHgaspair!gaspAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH....passingoutfromlackofair....eeehhhh.ehehehehehehhehhehehehehe... giggle..... Sir, I have one word for you: "kek" You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head. Feature Request: -áDamnation Ship Codpiece-áfor the NeX store.
LujTic Unforeseen Consequences. The Unthinkables 1	Posted - 2012.11.22 14:55:00 - [63] - Quote Mara Pahrdi wrote: I somehow doubt, that all the missioning / mining crowd is going to jump on you. Perhapy an ocassional, expereinced ninja looter with his buddies. But I think it will be rather fellow gankers competing with you. And that's pretty much ok I'd say . It's not just gankers. Say a group of Goons is sitting still in hisec near a gate in ships with no tank on it. There's 100 alliances in 0.0 and lowsec who'd love to form a fleet and shoot that without getting concorded, perhaps even getting some bounties as well. I doubt we'll see much of that in the near future, but send me a msg if you spot any.
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 1519	Posted - 2012.11.22 15:08:00 - [64] - Quote Absolutely agree with and support everything Terminal says, but by now I'm quite certain that we've lost the war. Old EVE is gone, and it's not coming back. The new guys might call it evolution, and righteously so. But like Terminal said, like we've all said, these new guys will some day become old vets, and will get just as angry and depressed when CCP decides to go after a newer generation's wallets by adding dragons, racing, and the word "extreme" to the exploration/mining simulator they've come to love. What goes around, comes around. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
Kiteo Hatto Equanimity Order 270	Posted - 2012.11.22 15:13:00 - [65] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: Absolutely agree with and support everything Terminal says, but by now I'm quite certain that we've lost the war. Old EVE is gone, and it's not coming back. The new guys might call it evolution, and righteously so. But like Terminal said, like we've all said, these new guys will some day become old vets, and will get just as angry and depressed when CCP decides to go after a newer generation's wallets by adding dragons, racing, and the word "extreme" to the exploration/mining simulator they've come to love. What goes around, comes around. Please, do you honestly see CCP doing something drastic as this ? The most "extreme" thing they would do is add some more aur fashion items. Eve will always be a game for older niche crowd, its never going to attract 12 year olds as long as it has skill training. As much as i miss eve from 2007 I think it has improved for the better. HOW is more PVP a bad thing for pvp guys ? The only difference is that you will probably be attacked by other players more often now. Please don't have double standards about pvp. "That's okay it annoys me when people pile on new definitions to the word sandbox every time CCP does something they don't like." - Alara IonStorm GD is where 60% of threads make you dumber and 10% which provide you with entertainment, the remaining 30% is a mix of both.
baltec1 Bat Country 2899	Posted - 2012.11.22 15:22:00 - [66] - Quote Kiteo Hatto wrote: Destiny Corrupted wrote: Absolutely agree with and support everything Terminal says, but by now I'm quite certain that we've lost the war. Old EVE is gone, and it's not coming back. The new guys might call it evolution, and righteously so. But like Terminal said, like we've all said, these new guys will some day become old vets, and will get just as angry and depressed when CCP decides to go after a newer generation's wallets by adding dragons, racing, and the word "extreme" to the exploration/mining simulator they've come to love. What goes around, comes around. Please, do you honestly see CCP doing something drastic as this ? The most "extreme" thing they would do is add some more aur fashion items. Eve will always be a game for older niche crowd, its never going to attract 12 year olds as long as it has skill training. As much as i miss eve from 2007 I think it has improved for the better. HOW is more PVP a bad thing for pvp guys ? The only difference is that you will probably be attacked by other players more often now. Please don't have double standards about pvp. The barge buffs have left a nasty taste. They effectivly removed two lines of piracy and gave us a barge lineup just as unbalanced as before. As predicted, the people who whined about their untanked barges dying are now whining about bumping and freighter ganking.
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 1519	Posted - 2012.11.22 15:32:00 - [67] - Quote Kiteo Hatto wrote: HOW is more PVP a bad thing for pvp guys ? The only difference is that you will probably be attacked by other players more often now. Please don't have double standards about pvp. Why will I be attacked by other players more often now? (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
Kiteo Hatto Equanimity Order 270	Posted - 2012.11.22 15:42:00 - [68] - Quote baltec1 wrote: The barge buffs have left a nasty taste. They effectivly removed two lines of piracy and gave us a barge lineup just as unbalanced as before. As predicted, the people who whined about their untanked barges dying are now whining about bumping and freighter ganking. "What comes around goes around" i believe. CCP reacted because it was becoming too popular and EVERYONE and their dog were doing it. This thing wouldn't have happened in the first place if people didn't die so much to suicide gankers. Now there are extremes when it comes to playstyles in eve. There are: -Hardcore(by that i mean people with alts who do everything possible to gain some edge over others) -¼ PVPers and PLEXing tengus/mission runners with multiple accounts - Normal people(with just 1 account, play when they feel like, do what they want without giving too much care about politics/drama) -Casuals(just mine while watching movies/playing something on another screen, just in eve because its a scifi game) The hardcore crowd feels entitled to dictate the other 2 just because they are somehow more "elite" hence the whole "eve is harsh HTFU, PVP or GTFO attitude" and narrow mindness that their playstyle is the "only right playstyle. CCP is really having a hard time balancing these 3 groups because if hardcore abuse one game mechanic then it becomes no fun for the other 2, if the other 2 are having too easy of a time getting rich without risk then 1s are getting pissed off. Each group has their own vision of eve and you can't just change it. The whole "player content thing" exists because opinions clash. Right now group 1 is whining about a change that will make their actions against hisec targets have more risky consequences even though i agree that you can't fix stupid and that those afking freighter/hulk pilots deserve to be shot down. Really, eve is just getting better and better by providing more pew for everyone. You are not locked to 3 choices anymore if you are suicide ganked(attack them, wardec them or merc them). "That's okay it annoys me when people pile on new definitions to the word sandbox every time CCP does something they don't like." - Alara IonStorm GD is where 60% of threads make you dumber and 10% which provide you with entertainment, the remaining 30% is a mix of both.
Kiteo Hatto Equanimity Order 270	Posted - 2012.11.22 15:43:00 - [69] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: Kiteo Hatto wrote: HOW is more PVP a bad thing for pvp guys ? The only difference is that you will probably be attacked by other players more often now. Please don't have double standards about pvp. Why will I be attacked by other players more often now? Because you will be flagged for pvp to everyone now ? "That's okay it annoys me when people pile on new definitions to the word sandbox every time CCP does something they don't like." - Alara IonStorm GD is where 60% of threads make you dumber and 10% which provide you with entertainment, the remaining 30% is a mix of both.
KrakizBad Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension 1124	Posted - 2012.11.22 15:43:00 - [70] - Quote 'It's a sandbox, it's a sandbox! It's a sandbox that just happens to have PVP!' This stupidity seems to be well represented in this thread. www.minerbumping.com - because your tears are delicious
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 1519	Posted - 2012.11.22 15:43:00 - [71] - Quote Kiteo Hatto wrote: Destiny Corrupted wrote: Kiteo Hatto wrote: HOW is more PVP a bad thing for pvp guys ? The only difference is that you will probably be attacked by other players more often now. Please don't have double standards about pvp. Why will I be attacked by other players more often now? Because you will be flagged for pvp to everyone now ? For what reason? (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
Kiteo Hatto Equanimity Order 270	Posted - 2012.11.22 15:48:00 - [72] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: Kiteo Hatto wrote: Destiny Corrupted wrote: Kiteo Hatto wrote: HOW is more PVP a bad thing for pvp guys ? The only difference is that you will probably be attacked by other players more often now. Please don't have double standards about pvp. Why will I be attacked by other players more often now? Because you will be flagged for pvp to everyone now ? For what reason? http://www.eveonline.com/retribution/crimewatch/ Legality GÇô This pilot has recently committed criminal or suspicious acts in Empire space. This flag has two states GÇô SUSPECT (yellow) and CRIMNAL (red). The state is dependent on the severity of their actions and whether or not the actions were committed in Empire space. CONCORD will take action against pilots flagged as criminals in their space, but anyone with either state flagged is freely attackable by other capsuleers. Meaning if you attack a non-wartarget in high sec everyone can shoot you....ccp is just making it clearer that you are a badboy and shouldnt break the law :D "That's okay it annoys me when people pile on new definitions to the word sandbox every time CCP does something they don't like." - Alara IonStorm GD is where 60% of threads make you dumber and 10% which provide you with entertainment, the remaining 30% is a mix of both.
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 1519	Posted - 2012.11.22 15:50:00 - [73] - Quote I'm not asking how the system will work; I already know that. What I'm asking is why this system would apply to me, as in this character (my main). (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
Kiteo Hatto Equanimity Order 270	Posted - 2012.11.22 15:52:00 - [74] - Quote Kiteo Hatto wrote: Destiny Corrupted wrote: Kiteo Hatto wrote: Destiny Corrupted wrote: Kiteo Hatto wrote: HOW is more PVP a bad thing for pvp guys ? The only difference is that you will probably be attacked by other players more often now. Please don't have double standards about pvp. Why will I be attacked by other players more often now? Because you will be flagged for pvp to everyone now ? For what reason? http://www.eveonline.com/retribution/crimewatch/ Legality GÇô This pilot has recently committed criminal or suspicious acts in Empire space. This flag has two states GÇô SUSPECT (yellow) and CRIMNAL (red). The state is dependent on the severity of their actions and whether or not the actions were committed in Empire space. CONCORD will take action against pilots flagged as criminals in their space, but anyone with either state flagged is freely attackable by other capsuleers. Meaning if you attack a non-wartarget in high sec everyone can shoot you....ccp is just making it clearer that you are a badboy and shouldnt break the law :D Also the whole thing about selling kill rights, if im not into pvp but i want to get you back for blowing up my stuff then i can just sell the rights to someone else....that alone makes you more attackable. "That's okay it annoys me when people pile on new definitions to the word sandbox every time CCP does something they don't like." - Alara IonStorm GD is where 60% of threads make you dumber and 10% which provide you with entertainment, the remaining 30% is a mix of both.
Kiteo Hatto Equanimity Order 270	Posted - 2012.11.22 15:54:00 - [75] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: I'm not asking how the system will work; I already know that. What I'm asking is why this system would apply to me, as in this character (my main). If you are not suicide ganking then it won't apply to you, in that case you are a real pvp-er and should go on your merry way. This whole thread is about how apparently its the end of eve because carebears have 1 more counter against suicide gankers. "That's okay it annoys me when people pile on new definitions to the word sandbox every time CCP does something they don't like." - Alara IonStorm GD is where 60% of threads make you dumber and 10% which provide you with entertainment, the remaining 30% is a mix of both.
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 1519	Posted - 2012.11.22 15:55:00 - [76] - Quote I am suicide-ganking. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
March rabbit Aliastra 265	Posted - 2012.11.22 15:56:00 - [77] - Quote Terminal Insanity wrote: Silk daShocka wrote: SO this is a nerf to PVP? Why because someone is going to blow your ship up instead of the other way around? Now maybe if you fight a tank on your gankships, you can actually have a fight here. Are you trolling? I'm not quite sure. tanking gankships is silly. ... and here we recall miners and infamous "tank miner ship".... thanks for good laughts
Val'Dore PlanetCorp InterStellar 237	Posted - 2012.11.22 15:56:00 - [78] - Quote Kiteo Hatto wrote: cares about their audience about 10 times more. What is ten times more than nothing? Just sayin'. Star Jump Drive
Kiteo Hatto Equanimity Order 270	Posted - 2012.11.22 15:57:00 - [79] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: I am suicide-ganking. My brain hurts DC! :P In that case: You suicide gank a miner/freighter >While concord is killing you(fast, others can also shoot you) >Your victim doesnt feel like going after you directly, he sells his/her killrights >YOU get attacked by someone who buys the rights. MORE pew pew for you. Val'Dore wrote: Kiteo Hatto wrote: cares about their audience about 10 times more. What is ten times more than nothing? Just sayin'. Be glad EA doesn't own CCP "That's okay it annoys me when people pile on new definitions to the word sandbox every time CCP does something they don't like." - Alara IonStorm GD is where 60% of threads make you dumber and 10% which provide you with entertainment, the remaining 30% is a mix of both.
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 1519	Posted - 2012.11.22 16:05:00 - [80] - Quote Kiteo Hatto wrote: Destiny Corrupted wrote: I am suicide-ganking. My brain hurts DC! :P In that case: You suicide gank a miner/freighter >While concord is killing you(fast, others can also shoot you) >Your victim doesnt feel like going after you directly, he sells his/her killrights >YOU get attacked by someone who buys the rights. MORE pew pew for you. We're making progress here. Okay, now, my next question is, why would I bother to gank on "DC," when I can outsource the activity fully to my gank alt(s)? Let's introduce some constants here: - I am indeed a person who up until the release of the next expansion has used main(s) for ganking, be it for convenience, extra damage from maxed-out skills, or whatever other reasons might exist. - I am a person who requires main(s) to be able to move through empire with a moderate degree of freedom. For example, I do a lot of empire mercenary work and wars, and need to be able to go to any system to pursue my targets, including major hubs. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
Kiteo Hatto Equanimity Order 270	Posted - 2012.11.22 16:13:00 - [81] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: Kiteo Hatto wrote: Destiny Corrupted wrote: I am suicide-ganking. My brain hurts DC! :P In that case: You suicide gank a miner/freighter >While concord is killing you(fast, others can also shoot you) >Your victim doesnt feel like going after you directly, he sells his/her killrights >YOU get attacked by someone who buys the rights. MORE pew pew for you. We're making progress here. Okay, now, my next question is, why would I bother to gank on "DC," when I can outsource the activity fully to my gank alt(s)? Let's introduce some constants here: - I am indeed a person who up until the release of the next expansion has used main(s) for ganking, be it for convenience, extra damage from maxed-out skills, or whatever other reasons might exist. - I am a person who requires main(s) to be able to move through empire with a moderate degree of freedom. For example, I do a lot of empire mercenary work and wars, and need to be able to go to any system to pursue my targets, including major hubs. You would still use your main for ganking after update unless you were afraid that someone will gank you in return when they buy killrights. You ganking alts will now get ganked too. I don't understand why you can't understand how this affects you. If you keep ganking and amassing bounty on you then you are that much more juicier target when it comes to buy killrights on you also more expensive. "That's okay it annoys me when people pile on new definitions to the word sandbox every time CCP does something they don't like." - Alara IonStorm GD is where 60% of threads make you dumber and 10% which provide you with entertainment, the remaining 30% is a mix of both.
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 1519	Posted - 2012.11.22 16:17:00 - [82] - Quote Kiteo Hatto wrote: You wouldn't use your main for ganking after update unless you were afraid that someone will gank you in return when they buy killrights. Okay, we've established that I wouldn't use any main(s) for ganking, since it would be rational to operate under the assumption that kill rights on me will get sold, even if many victims are ignorant in regard to the system. Now... Kiteo Hatto wrote: You ganking alts will now get ganked too. You mean, the ones who are outlaws, and can already be shot by anyone, at any time? Kiteo Hatto wrote: I don't understand why you can't understand how this affects you. How about now? (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
Kiteo Hatto Equanimity Order 271	Posted - 2012.11.22 16:27:00 - [83] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: Kiteo Hatto wrote: You wouldn't use your main for ganking after update unless you were afraid that someone will gank you in return when they buy killrights. Okay, we've established that I wouldn't use any main(s) for ganking, since it would be rational to operate under the assumption that kill rights on me will get sold, even if many victims are ignorant in regard to the system. Now... Kiteo Hatto wrote: You ganking alts will now get ganked too. You mean, the ones who are outlaws, and can already be shot by anyone, at any time? Kiteo Hatto wrote: I don't understand why you can't understand how this affects you. How about now? You are having to face the consequences now so you won't be using your main without second thoughts now, see, this is working now. Your outlaw alts will get attacked regardless because you've been a bad boy. Yes. "That's okay it annoys me when people pile on new definitions to the word sandbox every time CCP does something they don't like." - Alara IonStorm GD is where 60% of threads make you dumber and 10% which provide you with entertainment, the remaining 30% is a mix of both.
Moe Doobie Republic University Minmatar Republic 41	Posted - 2012.11.22 16:29:00 - [84] - Quote Dear Hardcorez Leet Vet Epeening PVPers, If you geniuses would stop blueing up everything in null you wouldn't be constantly crying about not being able to insta-gank miners and freighters in High-sec; We find it interesting how you guys do everything you can to make null snug and safe for yourselves, however then want to make high sec a warzone for PVErs. Want to blow stuff up? Howz about you show how LEET you are and start with each other? Or are you just blatantly looking to avoid any sort of challenge and risk? ....you know? Kind of like what you accuse High-seccers of doing.... Just sayin. - High sec sexies
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 1519	Posted - 2012.11.22 16:31:00 - [85] - Quote So the entire point of this fancy new system was to prevent me from doing 3% more damage by being forced into using characters that don't have Surgical Strike at level 5? (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
Kiteo Hatto Equanimity Order 271	Posted - 2012.11.22 16:34:00 - [86] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: So the entire point of this fancy new system was to prevent me from doing 3% more damage by being forced into using characters that don't have Surgical Strike at level 5? That and actually preventing you to safely be in hisec anymore because of killrights and your bounty..... "That's okay it annoys me when people pile on new definitions to the word sandbox every time CCP does something they don't like." - Alara IonStorm GD is where 60% of threads make you dumber and 10% which provide you with entertainment, the remaining 30% is a mix of both.
baltec1 Bat Country 2901	Posted - 2012.11.22 16:36:00 - [87] - Quote Kiteo Hatto wrote: words The problem with your argument is that miners were easy to kill because they made it easy. Just about every single subcap can be profitably ganked if the fit their ships like miners do. In our interdiction we had at most 15 people. Statistically speaking the exhumer was one of the safest ships to be in according to CCPs own numbers. Two of our pvp options were removed literaly because miners refused to fit a tank on their ships.
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 1519	Posted - 2012.11.22 16:38:00 - [88] - Quote Kiteo Hatto wrote: Destiny Corrupted wrote: So the entire point of this fancy new system was to prevent me from doing 3% more damage by being forced into using characters that don't have Surgical Strike at level 5? That and actually preventing you to safely be in hisec anymore because of killrights and your bounty..... Main(s) won't have kill rights on them. Bounties are irrelevant since they don't turn me into a suspect. Gank alts are already outlaws and can be shot by anyone, and therefore are not safe anywhere. Once again, what does this system accomplish, aside from maybe getting CCP more alt-account sub money from people who have the integrity to gank with their main(s), but now will not do so because the cost is simply too high? (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
Some Rando University of Caille Gallente Federation 112	Posted - 2012.11.22 16:40:00 - [89] - Quote Kiteo Hatto wrote: Destiny Corrupted wrote: So the entire point of this fancy new system was to prevent me from doing 3% more damage by being forced into using characters that don't have Surgical Strike at level 5? That and actually preventing you to safely be in hisec anymore because of killrights and your bounty..... I, too, have a gank alt in the oven for this reason. It will have a significantly lower clone cost than the main I would have used, and will still do about 90% of the alpha damage I enjoy right now. Win/win for me.
Kiteo Hatto Equanimity Order 272	Posted - 2012.11.22 16:44:00 - [90] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Kiteo Hatto wrote: words The problem with your argument is that miners were easy to kill because they made it easy. Just about every single subcap can be profitably ganked if the fit their ships like miners do. In our interdiction we had at most 15 people. Statistically speaking the exhumer was one of the safest ships to be in according to CCPs own numbers. Two of our pvp options were removed literaly because miners refused to fit a tank on their ships. Yes I agree, miners did refuse to fit more tank so they could fit 1 more MLU because they felt that hisec was "secure enough". They should have learned after a while but they didn't. In order not to lose subscribers CCP tried to fix stupid and they broke your playstyle a bit. Gankers need to whine more about mining hulls being too tanky so that 1 day CCP might nerf them a little bit. Now at least, its safe for miners to actually undock their barges but hey we have James15 or something now ? I really don't follow the drama. Quote: Main(s) won't have kill rights on them. Bounties are irrelevant since they don't turn me into a suspect. Gank alts are already outlaws and can be shot by anyone, and therefore are not safe anywhere. Once again, what does this system accomplish, aside from maybe getting CCP more alt-account sub money from people who have the integrity to gank with their main(s), but now will not do so because the cost is simply too high? Thats the thing, your main WONT be in danger as long as you DONT gank with it in highsec. You can still use it as a scout and stuff i guess but the damage from it won't be there UNLESS you are willing to risk being shot at. "That's okay it annoys me when people pile on new definitions to the word sandbox every time CCP does something they don't like." - Alara IonStorm GD is where 60% of threads make you dumber and 10% which provide you with entertainment, the remaining 30% is a mix of both.

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