Carebear rage is the only thing that gets me off anymore.

Don't use that tired line. The only reason you are doing it is so you can shout on the forums look at me, look what I can do. It's because you are a bunch of asses that have nothing better to do.

The bare hull was never profitable to gank. We did require them to fit the expensive mining mods and no tank to make it profitable.

Well I don't know about you, but I play computer games when I have nothing better to do. Isn't that the whole point?

Actually, these changes are almost certainly meant to curb freighter ganking. Trying to deny that is just silly.

CCP understands: freighter pilots are dumb, they want to autopilot their net worth between market hubs and straight through choke points.

They shouldn't be inconvenienced when somebody smarter than they are decides to take them out.

It's an acceptable tradeoff: make the game more idiot-friendly, cross your fingers for new subscriptions, nerf other things or declare them exploits when it doesn't work out the way you hoped.

Just fyi EVE was growing at something like a 150% yearly rate back then. I somehow seriously doubt only escaped prison inmates and mental asylum patients were signing up back then either.

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I'm simply pointing out that pirating/low/null is actively being nerfed... {{snip....}}

You've picked up a heavy PVP videogame, decided you want to PVE in it, and complain that you get blown up too easy.
Do you see me in Hello kitty online complaining that all the PVE'ers are ruining the game? No. I didnt join a PVE game, because i want to PVP. Why did you join a PVP game to PVE?

So, if you want to PVP, go PVP against other players that want to PVP, and stop trying to push all the non-PVPers out of the game.

Perhaps CCP realized that there are simply not enough hard core PVPers to make the company highly profitable, and that they need to make the game have different areas, to appeal to different player types, with different play styles. Perhaps EVE is no longer a highly PVP oriented game, and is a more balanced game which accommodates more people with a wider variety of play styles.



There are PLENTY of PVPers that want to PVP. So, go PVP with each other.

What I do not understand is why those that want to PVP insist on being able to PVP against those players that have no interest in PVP. What's that matter? You really suck at PVP, so can't win a fight against someone that is ready and looking for a fight... so you prefer to only PVP against those with no interest in PVP, that are not ready for or looking for a fight?


I have not heard that CCP plans to remove your ability to PVP against other players that want to PVP against you. If two people want to fight, CCP is very PRO them fighting.

What I've seen is CCP reluctant to let the people that want to PVP again non-PVPers, force the non-PVPers out of the game.


So, if you want to PVP, go PVP against other players that want to PVP, and stop trying to push all the non-PVPers out of the game.

And some people forget pvp drives the market which is itself a pvp activity.

CCP needs to shuffle and redo stuff in nullsec, it's that place that can make EvE inviting again.
CCP needs to implement mechanics that make the huge blue balls break and conflict born again.

What I do not understand is why those that want to PVP insist on being able to PVP against those players that have no interest in PVP. What's that matter? You really suck at PVP, so can't win a fight against someone that is ready and looking for a fight... so you prefer to only PVP against those with no interest in PVP, that are not ready for or looking for a fight?

CCP understands: gankers want guaranteed, easy profit with no risk other than losing your cheap ship, like a car trade-in.

yeah uh the cost of a failed freighter gank is upwards of a billion, thanks for playing

which some alliances compensate to it's failed players.

which some alliances compensate to it's failed players.

Again, sorry for my generalizations. Im not talking about the players who are happy with highsec, or want extra highsec features etc. thats all great and wonderful. I'm 100% in favor of CCP adding more highsec content and features. I'm absolutely not asking for highsec to be nerfed.

I'm simply pointing out that pirating/low/null is actively being nerfed in favor of the vocal whiners who hate pirates/low/null. Most of these whiners are in fact newer players (i admit there are probably some older ones as well). The game is being catered to a different group of player. A group that isnt exactly PVP-oriented. EVE was originally designed to be a heavy PVP game. They are nerfing the PVP in favor of PVE players who hate PVP.

My original point was that EA/DICE are doing the same thing, and the older Battlefield crowd feels alienated much like many older PVP players in eve do.(i said many, meaning not all, dont yell at me for generalizing again)

If you read the full bf3 post, you'll see that many of the hardcore features that made battlefield a household name have been removed to make it easier to understand for new players. One obvious feature is the Commander mode. Gone.

CCP is doing something similar, changing the entire game mechanics in order to make the game friendlier to those who dont like PVP. Alienating many PVP players who were the reason EVE is alive today.

actually in fact, a key part of the incursion community (mostly highsec) is due to cop a hit due to ceetain low/null seccers shortly. That is the ones who park thier boosters inside a pos shield for unkillable fleet boosts. Incursion boosts will soon have to waste an ongrid dps/logi slot or 2 that or have no boosts anymore. All because of the actions of a few "risk adverse" low/null folks. Whats to be said about that?

About damn time.

they could have just had the pos shield block ALL effects from passing in either direction. There was no need to remove off grid boosting, why is is so hard for people to scan down ships? I trained scanning skills for like 3 days and have done plenty of scanning easy, in a t1 frig. Im sure a cloaked frig with a warp scram and a t3 bc would be able to bounce and kill an opposing fleets booster hiding in empty space.

I always got the impression that things were done like pro's in low/null and thats why they saw themselves as being better than high seccers. But guess not and cause of that a high sec activity is also going to be affected. Go figure!

BF? Is that a game where you can kill someone without aiming at all?
That would be the perfect choice for a nerdy eve bobbler.

Thats still a billion lost.

Yeah, that game where 1 foot soldier can take down a tank and a team of 2 people in a chopper can dominate the round as long as they press x at the right time.

I wonder why we always manage to find people who simply do not understand piracy.

I understand piracy perfectly.

The point is that if piracy is too easy, then it will cause those players with no interest in PVP to quit the game. This will cause CCP revenue to go down. This will cause CCP to make piracy less easy and profitable.

The OP seems to be lamenting that CCP is ruining the game by making piracy more difficult. I'm saying that CCP is saving the game by making it profitable to operate the game, by increasing the number of active subscriptions, by making it welcoming to players with no interest in PVP, by making piracy more difficult.


OH... if CCP would just make piracy easier, I'd have more fun killing carebears. WRONG! If CCP made piracy easier, the carebears would stop playing. Then the only people that would be in game are the other people that want to PVP.

So, you can PVP against other players that want to PVP now, and leave the carebears alone. Or, CCP could let you pick on the carebears, drive them all out of game.... then you could PVP against only the other people that want to PVP because that is all that is left in game.


What CCP lacks, is the ability to make it easy for you to pirate caerbears AND for there to be lots of carebears for you to pirate from. Since CCP lacks the ability to force people to play, they lack the ability to force them to be easy targets for pirates. CCP can have one of the other(lots of carebears OR easy to pirate carebears), but CCP can not have both. CCP has chosen to have lots of carebears, by making it harder for PVPers to pirate from them.