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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
415
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Posted - 2012.11.23 23:14:00 -
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I have been struggling with tactics to neutralize freighter ganking in high sec but unfortunately, I can't envision any. Most of the gankers are already insta-targets now in high sec, and no one has been able to mount a decent defense. And I don't see any changes to that fact with the new game mechanics. In fact, it will be worse.
Is there anyone out there that thinks they have tactics that will work in 2 weeks? |
ACE McFACE
The Forsworn Protectorate Imperial Protectorate
879
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Posted - 2012.11.23 23:15:00 -
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My best and most effective method is to carry less than it costs to gank. "No one drove in New York, there was too much traffic." |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10412
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Posted - 2012.11.23 23:18:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Most of the gankers are already insta-targets now in high sec Then just shoot them.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Marvin Narville
Imperial Outlaws
17
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Posted - 2012.11.23 23:23:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:I have been struggling with tactics to neutralize freighter ganking in high sec but unfortunately, I can't envision any. Most of the gankers are already insta-targets now in high sec, and no one has been able to mount a decent defense. And I don't see any changes to that fact with the new game mechanics. In fact, it will be worse.
Is there anyone out there that thinks they have tactics that will work in 2 weeks?
Tactics to neutralize freighter ganking you say? You may have overlooked the following possibilities sir.
1. Use a scout 2. Perhaps bring a small escort if you insist upon cramming your freighter to the brim with PLEX/Officer mods 3. Not cramming your freighter to the brim with PLEX/Officer mods in the first place 4. Avoid the systems where there are obviously buttfucktons of freighters being exploded. 5. Being at your keyboard (I know this one is a rather extreme and unsavory measure)
Those are just off the top of my head, although I don't fly a freighter and so do not consider myself to be an expert. |
Michael1995
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
43
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Posted - 2012.11.23 23:23:00 -
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Don't fill something that is supposed to be used for bulk transport :TRITANIUM: with plex and blueprints, PROBLEM SOLVED! One does not simply buy their way into Goonswarm. |
Zhade Lezte
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
67
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Posted - 2012.11.23 23:24:00 -
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"Nullify"? As in, entirely?
Good luck, the more you succeed the more motivation there will be to do it with more fools growing richer and carrying too much autopiloting around hisec.
Hisec hauling: Risk vs. Reward done right
Also, who are these gankers that are "insta-targets" (below -5?). I'd be interested in knowing where they are. |
Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics K162
852
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Posted - 2012.11.23 23:27:00 -
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it aint hard, just dont haul billions of isk in a freighter. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10412
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Posted - 2012.11.23 23:32:00 -
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Michael1995 wrote:Don't fill something that is supposed to be used for bulk transport :TRITANIUM: with plex and blueprints, PROBLEM SOLVED! To be fair, there are some stuff that is needed in bulk (both in terms of volume and numbers) and which has an annoyingly high ISK/m-¦, but stillGǪ
GǪmultiple trips will be required for all the stuff anyway so one might as well plan it out, and mix the loads to spread out the risk. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Marvin Narville
Imperial Outlaws
18
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Posted - 2012.11.23 23:36:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Michael1995 wrote:Don't fill something that is supposed to be used for bulk transport :TRITANIUM: with plex and blueprints, PROBLEM SOLVED! To be fair, there are some stuff that is needed in bulk (both in terms of volume and numbers) and which has an annoyingly high ISK/m-¦, but stillGǪ GǪmultiple trips will be required for all the stuff anyway so one might as well plan it out, and mix the loads to spread out the risk.
Surely you realize how inherently ridiculous it is to recommend something which would require this much time, effort, and thought to someone who was incapable of thinking of a single tactic to mitigate the risk of freighter ganking.
Edit: Also why has this thread not been locked yet, like the previous two the OP opened? It seems to be a barely reworded OP from the last one that got locked |
Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
517
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Posted - 2012.11.23 23:38:00 -
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If you loot a wreck from a gank, you gain the suspect flag. Suspects can be shot by anyone. This part I'm not sure on, but if you kill the suspect, is that loot now FFA? I know any cans they have are, but not sure on their wrecks.
If other people take out the freighters/industrials of the gankers, it's going to become a lot less profitable. If it's less profitable, there will be a lot fewer people doing it.
So as others have said, shoot them.
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Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
1995
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Posted - 2012.11.23 23:55:00 -
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What high sec needs is Citizens On Patrol to deal with these gankers and killing the freighter they use to scoop the loot. Like what has already been said, stealing from a wreck flags the freighter making him a legal target to kill.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
1627
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Posted - 2012.11.24 00:04:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:I have been struggling with tactics to neutralize freighter ganking in high sec but unfortunately, I can't envision any. Most of the gankers are already insta-targets now in high sec, and no one has been able to mount a decent defense. And I don't see any changes to that fact with the new game mechanics. In fact, it will be worse.
Is there anyone out there that thinks they have tactics that will work in 2 weeks? Just shoot em? How to : Playing Eve 100% Risk and Conflict FREE! |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
368
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Posted - 2012.11.24 00:09:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:I have been struggling with tactics to neutralize freighter ganking in high sec but unfortunately, I can't envision any. Most of the gankers are already insta-targets now in high sec, and no one has been able to mount a decent defense. And I don't see any changes to that fact with the new game mechanics. In fact, it will be worse.
Is there anyone out there that thinks they have tactics that will work in 2 weeks?
If they are really outlaws like you say you can alpha or jam them first every time, you just need to lock faster. If they are not outlaws then no you can't stop it, but they can't use the same chars often without going outlaw.
With the coming changes their looter will be the point to hurt them. |
Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
731
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Posted - 2012.11.24 00:25:00 -
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Marvin Narville wrote:Tactics to neutralize freighter ganking you say? You may have overlooked the following possibilities sir.
1. Use a scout 2. Perhaps bring a small escort if you insist upon cramming your freighter to the brim with PLEX/Officer mods 3. Not cramming your freighter to the brim with PLEX/Officer mods in the first place 4. Avoid the systems where there are obviously buttfucktons of freighters being exploded. 5. Being at your keyboard (I know this one is a rather extreme and unsavory measure)
Those are just off the top of my head, although I don't fly a freighter and so do not consider myself to be an expert.
That about covers it really.
"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Ludi Burek
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
197
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Posted - 2012.11.24 00:51:00 -
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Stop looking for "tactics" to stop the omg I R getting ganked this very moment!
All the "tactics" happen before you even undock and there are plenty. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1522
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Posted - 2012.11.24 01:01:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:I have been struggling with tactics to neutralize freighter ganking in high sec but unfortunately, I can't envision any. Most of the gankers are already insta-targets now in high sec, and no one has been able to mount a decent defense. And I don't see any changes to that fact with the new game mechanics. In fact, it will be worse.
Is there anyone out there that thinks they have tactics that will work in 2 weeks? Oh hey, look, this guy gets it!
Tell you what: lots of people gave some pretty good advice in this thread about how to mitigate suicide-ganing, right? But that's not what you want. That's not what we want.
If you really want to make a difference, and get rid of suicide-ganking for good, cry, cry, cry to CCP about how unbalanced/bad/hurtful it is. They will listen, if you put enough effort into it. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Vince Snetterton
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
209
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Posted - 2012.11.24 02:29:00 -
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Maybe, and this would take a lot of work, set up groups of trusted people that all fly exclusively the new T1 logi ships. Fleets would have to be set up like Incursion fleets, with a huge amount of trust with the logi pilots.
The logi pilots would have to advertise like mad that they are operating in a system, and any freighter pilot passing through would be welcome to join the fleet, while they are in that system.
If you had enough trusted logi pilots, you might be able to save the occasional freighter from a gang of Talos attacking a frighter bumped off a gate. I doubt though that unless you had a lot of logi's they could save a freighter from an alpha gank Tornado squad.
By flying T1 logi's, it not might be worth the while of the gankers to suicide the T1 logi's.
But something like this would require massive dedication and co-ordination by the logi pilots, plus a ton of advertising in game and on the forums.
I would further suggest that such a service should be free, and the logi pilots only gain is the satisfaction on thwarting a suicide ganker. Test settings. |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
241
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Posted - 2012.11.24 02:34:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:What high sec needs is Citizens On Patrol to deal with these gankers and killing the freighter they use to scoop the loot. Like what has already been said, stealing from a wreck flags the freighter making him a legal target to kill.
Well any freighter with anyone close enough to actually do that wouldn't really have that problem in the first place I'd wager.
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1522
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Posted - 2012.11.24 02:36:00 -
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It wouldn't work unless all the logistics are already in position before the gank happens, are alert, and pre-rep every freighter that they see.
Also, a big LOL at carebears coordinating an effort of such scale and complexity. Most of those people don't even know how to put shield hardeners on their exhumers, let alone work as part of a large, complex RR gang. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5593
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Posted - 2012.11.24 02:36:00 -
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double-wrapping is your friend ~*a-áproud belligerent undesirable*~
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Elliot Vodka
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2012.11.24 02:37:00 -
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Noone shoots in high sec is because there nubs or care bears / scared to give someone else kill rights and they dont know they can shoot without consequence. Once Dec. 4 hits. I believe things are going to change.... Slightly... Why is it that people think this game is for everyone?A better question would be "Why do some people think this game is only for them?" |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5593
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Posted - 2012.11.24 02:38:00 -
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Elliot Vodka wrote:Noone shoots in high sec is because there nubs or care bears / scared to give someone else kill rights and they dont know they can shoot without consequence. Once Dec. 4 hits. I believe things are going to change.... Slightly...
you're talking about people who generally don't follow devblogs and don't read patchnotes ~*a-áproud belligerent undesirable*~
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. |
Vince Snetterton
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
209
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Posted - 2012.11.24 02:44:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:It wouldn't work unless all the logistics are already in position before the gank happens, are alert, and pre-rep every freighter that they see.
Also, a big LOL at carebears coordinating an effort of such scale and complexity. Most of those people don't even know how to put shield hardeners on their exhumers, let alone work as part of a large, complex RR gang.
It goes without saying that people would have to pre-rep, and the co-ordination would be huge. I stated that in my original post. But to laugh at the general co-ordination of high sec players is like laughing at Incursion runner co-ordination, or wh squads doing PvE.
Seems to me that there are several hundred players running Incursions at any given time, and 20-30% of all pilots in those fleets are logi pilots. Test settings. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1522
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Posted - 2012.11.24 02:47:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:It wouldn't work unless all the logistics are already in position before the gank happens, are alert, and pre-rep every freighter that they see.
Also, a big LOL at carebears coordinating an effort of such scale and complexity. Most of those people don't even know how to put shield hardeners on their exhumers, let alone work as part of a large, complex RR gang. It goes without saying that people would have to pre-rep, and the co-ordination would be huge. I stated that in my original post. But to laugh at the general co-ordination of high sec players is like laughing at Incursion runner co-ordination, or wh squads doing PvE. Seems to me that there are several hundred players running Incursions at any given time, and 20-30% of all pilots in those fleets are logi pilots. Then you'll be happy to know that those incursion runners don't give two ***** about freighter ganking, and considering their purpose in this game, they'd laugh themselves to tears when you propose that they spend their time providing logistics to gank targets for free instead of pulling 150 million/hour from their normal activities. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Marvin Narville
Imperial Outlaws
21
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Posted - 2012.11.24 02:53:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:
I would further suggest that such a service should be free, and the logi pilots only gain is the satisfaction on thwarting a suicide ganker.
S'all bout dat profit marginz amirite? Reminds me of miners who refuse to fit tank, and complain about ganks. The mindset that "I shouldn't have to do anything, pay anything, or change my playstyle even EVER so slightly, it should be done for me via CCP buffing something or another player/group of players coming to my rescue for free" is exactly why freighters can and will continue to be bumped/ganked, and miners will continue to be bumped/ganked until eve is finally done dying its slow slow death. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1794
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Posted - 2012.11.24 03:24:00 -
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Marvin Narville wrote:The mindset that "I shouldn't have to do anything, pay anything, or change my playstyle even EVER so slightly, it should be done for me via CCP buffing something or another player/group of players coming to my rescue for free" is exactly why freighters can and will continue to be bumped/ganked, and miners will continue to be bumped/ganked until eve is finally done dying its slow slow death. Well, we see what happened with miner ganking. I guess sometimes "CCP buffing something" does work ... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Vince Snetterton
209
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Posted - 2012.11.24 04:02:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote: Then you'll be happy to know that those incursion runners don't give two ***** about freighter ganking, and considering their purpose in this game, they'd laugh themselves to tears when you propose that they spend their time providing logistics to gank targets for free instead of pulling 150 million/hour from their normal activities.
I never said that Incursion runners would be the ones to do it. I am talking about that level of co-ordination.
Whether there are people willing to do this, that is indeed the question. Test settings. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1794
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Posted - 2012.11.24 04:05:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:Whether there are people willing to do this, that is indeed the question. Always the big thing to keep in mind with EVE Never-Logging-On-Online Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1523
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Posted - 2012.11.24 04:41:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote: Then you'll be happy to know that those incursion runners don't give two ***** about freighter ganking, and considering their purpose in this game, they'd laugh themselves to tears when you propose that they spend their time providing logistics to gank targets for free instead of pulling 150 million/hour from their normal activities.
I never said that Incursion runners would be the ones to do it. I am talking about that level of co-ordination. Whether there are people willing to do this, that is indeed the question. I hope you know that I am not trying to be mean to you by arguing with you.
Still, that said, no, there is no question. It's an impossibility. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Bobo Cindekela
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
34
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Posted - 2012.11.24 04:46:00 -
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sell your freighter and use the money you make on the sale to pay for others to do your freightering via courier contract with very high collateral? You are about to engage in an arguement with a forum alt,-á this is your final warning. |
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