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Oopsy Bear
Massively Masochistic Machos
11
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Posted - 2012.11.25 02:26:00 -
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Some Rando wrote:Oopsy Bear wrote:Add Uedama and Niarja to your avoidance list and make a route going anywhere. See the problem? I made a route from Villore to Dodixie and I don't see a problem.
I guess all the freighters on that route can rest easy then :)
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Marvin Narville
Imperial Outlaws
29
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Posted - 2012.11.25 03:03:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:
~ One obvious tactic you might not have considered: Get somebody else to fly it with a Courier package. This is probably the best honestly, as you can put a high value on the cargo to protect against potential loss. If they lose it, it becomes their loss, rather than yours. Monetarily speaking anyway.
Excellent point right here. There are numerous corporations out there in game, making respectable profits flying freighters in high/low/null with very few issues. Hell, red/blue/black frog probably flies a combined total of at least 500 trips a day in freighters if their queue tracker is to be believed. Ironically, I see very few posts on behalf of any of the frogs lamenting the impossibility of shipping stuff via freighters. If it were incredibly difficult or there were no tactics to counter ganking, I imagine the frogs would have gone out of business long ago?
As a side note, perhaps red/blue/black frog should have a secondary spin-off business similar to agony unleashed or OUCH, think of it as pvp training for freighter pilots. It would teach basics like how to not be a complete dumbass and load freighters full of plex, perhaps in an advanced class they could cover how to not publicly admit on the forums that you got your freighter full of plex popped while attempting to solicit CCP for changes to game mechanics ultimately embarrasing yourself.
Anywho, sarcasm and humor aside, this wouldn't be a terrible idea. For a reasonable fee, I imagine quite a few people might take up the frogs on the offer to learn how to fly a freighter in a non-suicidal fashion. Those who didn't take them up on the offer would have even less of a legitimate reason to complain than they do currently. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1797
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Posted - 2012.11.25 03:15:00 -
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Marvin Narville wrote:As a side note, perhaps red/blue/black frog should have a secondary spin-off business similar to agony unleashed or OUCH, think of it as pvp training for freighter pilots. It would teach basics like how to not be a complete dumbass and load freighters full of plex, perhaps in an advanced class they could cover how to not publicly admit on the forums that you got your freighter full of plex popped while attempting to solicit CCP for changes to game mechanics ultimately embarrasing yourself. If anything people should form the Union of Spacetruckers and demand reforms from CCP otherwise, as we all know, the ~profitable~ freighterganking will lead to...
EVE dying.  Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Herr Hammer Draken
164
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Posted - 2012.11.25 05:01:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:I have been struggling with tactics to neutralize freighter ganking in high sec but unfortunately, I can't envision any. Most of the gankers are already insta-targets now in high sec, and no one has been able to mount a decent defense. And I don't see any changes to that fact with the new game mechanics. In fact, it will be worse.
Is there anyone out there that thinks they have tactics that will work in 2 weeks? Where is the post where you explain that you aren't looking for tactics that involve scouting or tanking more, or flying with no value cargo, as has been suggested? I'm assuming that you already kn those exist and just chose not to mention them. ~ Freighters can't be fit, so that is a limitation on tactics. All that is left is having someone web you to align faster, as mentioned, and not carrying high value cargo. ~ One obvious tactic you might not have considered: Get somebody else to fly it with a Courier package. This is probably the best honestly, as you can put a high value on the cargo to protect against potential loss. If they lose it, it becomes their loss, rather than yours. Monetarily speaking anyway. That basically ensures that they will do what they can to protect it, and they do make a business of that. Also, it is relatively inexpensive to contract a courier. This will always work in your favor, provided you don't absolutely have to have that cargo somewhere at a given time for some other purpose where ISK covering its loss is just not enough, and I doubt that's likely. Think of Freighter ganking as an incentive to use Courier contracts; that is what it really boils down to. Also, it means you don't need, or have to train a Freighter Alt or fly one yourself. That's a pretty good bonus right there.
The last statement sounds an awfull lot like extortion. So now I think the very same guys that gank in udema are also the freighters for hire. Think of it like job insurance. Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet" |

Riddick Liddell
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2012.11.25 05:43:00 -
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Some Rando wrote:Riddick Liddell wrote:CCP know using autopilot isn't what it used to be. They do nothing. Probably because autopilot hasn't changed one bit.
And yet you feel the need to take things out of context. It's a pattern I see with the forums here. It's called spin by the way. |

Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
124
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Posted - 2012.11.25 06:15:00 -
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Riddick Liddell wrote:Some Rando wrote:Riddick Liddell wrote:CCP know using autopilot isn't what it used to be. They do nothing. Probably because autopilot hasn't changed one bit. And yet you feel the need to take things out of context. It's a pattern I see with the forums here. It's called spin by the way. So, uh, mind telling me how autopilot isn't what it used to be? I know it'll auto-dock you now, seems like a marked improvement. |

Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
44
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Posted - 2012.11.25 06:44:00 -
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I don't understand why freighters pilots cannot coordinate, set up a network, and put effort in the job you picked up.
I'm not into it, but I figure as suicide ganking frighters requires a lot of efffort, intelligence and coordination for several pilots. So to face it an equivalent level of intelligence, coordination and effort is needed.
You come on the forum just to hear always the same things: use a scout, do not provide an evaluable target, the web warp trick, check intelligence, the warp trick to prevent cargo scanning, do not use autopilot and bla bla, all things that any average players know.
Also, always this playing the victims having to face an unstoppable ganking force... Freighters are capital ship, freighters pilots are capital pilots, are not entiteled to pose as defenceless noobs. You are dirty ritch, you move bilions of goods from a market to another, you impact the economy for everyone, this cannot be something cheap to do alone half-afk. Or, if done so have to be highly risky.
And even when you did everything right, perfect, any precaution taken, there must be always a chance for something to go wrong, the risk have never to be "nullified". As is for any other EvE gameplay.
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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
85
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Posted - 2012.11.25 08:00:00 -
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Is there anyone out there that still thinks that suicide ganking in high sec is NOT a cardinal sin that should be removed somehow simply because some of us don't like it?
To put it bluntly, stop acting like things like suicides/ganks/barge killing is such a mean and cowardly tactic that it shouldn't be allowed. Yes, it sucks to get popped in high sec and loose a freighter, but haven't we all had bad loses from one thing or another? There are already ways to avoid these things.
Sorry if I sound too "f-you" , had a long day and long days make me agitated to hell and back sometimes. Take it for what it's worth. Use a scout, avoid haulling too much stuff, don't follow the same route continuessly or move the same times of day, and above all else, just follow your gut instinct (cliched, I know, but you'ld be supprised how many times I've narrowly escaped ganks and suicides just because something didn't quite feel right at the time). |

Zaraz Zaraz
Imperial Planetology Academy
36
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Posted - 2012.11.25 08:18:00 -
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Sobaan Tali wrote:Is there anyone out there that still thinks that suicide ganking in high sec is NOT a cardinal sin that should be removed somehow simply because some of us don't like it? To put it bluntly, stop acting like things like suicides/ganks/barge killing is such a mean and cowardly tactic that it shouldn't be allowed. Yes, it sucks to get popped in high sec and loose a freighter, but haven't we all had bad loses from one thing or another? There are already ways to avoid these things. Sorry if I sound too "f-you"  , had a long day and long days make me agitated to hell and back sometimes. Take it for what it's worth. Use a scout, avoid haulling too much stuff, don't follow the same route continuessly or move the same times of day, and above all else, just follow your gut instinct (cliched, I know, but you'ld be supprised how many times I've narrowly escaped ganks and suicides just because something didn't quite feel right at the time).
Calm down, its just a game.
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Carlos Condit
Diablo Industries
0
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Posted - 2012.11.25 08:52:00 -
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As someone who has a freighter pilot main, I think freighters need a slight buff, nothing serious though. However there are a million different ways to avoid being ganked, one of which is webbing which is the closest thing to invulnerable as it gets. Also, stop with the AFKing. Most of the kills are on AFK pilots who sit there letting people scan them for ages and letting corps get gank squads together. If you are ATK then you give gankers less time to think about if they want to choose YOU as the target. The last thing is the amount you haul. You can safely haul more than 1bil around the hotspots but when you get crazy and haul around 50+ plex you somewhat deserve it. |

Shylari Avada
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
62
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Posted - 2012.11.25 09:24:00 -
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I like how this thread is needed, when Goons have posted literally everywhere how to avoid getting your freighter ganked.
I mean- why would you want to listen to people killing 10-40 freighters a day, telling you EXACTLY how to avoid losing your stuff anyway right? |

Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1535
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Posted - 2012.11.25 09:31:00 -
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Because Goons are evil and shouldn't be trusted and EVE is dying since they're the source of all of EVE's problems.
:colbert: (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |

Vince Snetterton
211
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Posted - 2012.11.25 14:00:00 -
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Carlos Condit wrote:As someone who has a freighter pilot main, I think freighters need a slight buff, nothing serious though. However there are a million different ways to avoid being ganked, one of which is webbing which is the closest thing to invulnerable as it gets. Also, stop with the AFKing. Most of the kills are on AFK pilots who sit there letting people scan them for ages and letting corps get gank squads together. If you are ATK then you give gankers less time to think about if they want to choose YOU as the target. The last thing is the amount you haul. You can safely haul more than 1bil around the hotspots but when you get crazy and haul around 50+ plex you somewhat deserve it.
It has been proven that webbing no longer works as a defensive tactic. The gankers are now burning Ibis pilots with a point on them (only takes a couple) to Concord until a high speed Stabber bumps the freighter. Numerous Stabbers are then used to bump the freighter out of gate gun range, where the gankers then attack with Talos. Test settings. |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1127
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Posted - 2012.11.25 14:25:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote: But to laugh at the general co-ordination of high sec players is like laughing at Incursion runner co-ordination, or wh squads doing PvE.
No, it's completely different. These are the same highsec players that outnumber us by at least 10 to 1, but complain about the CSM being almost entirely dominated by nullsec reps. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |

Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1536
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Posted - 2012.11.25 14:52:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Vince Snetterton wrote: But to laugh at the general co-ordination of high sec players is like laughing at Incursion runner co-ordination, or wh squads doing PvE.
No, it's completely different. These are the same highsec players that outnumber us by at least 10 to 1, but complain about the CSM being almost entirely dominated by nullsec reps. Come on bro, they shouldn't have to vote to have their voices heard, everyone knows that. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |

Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
10732
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Posted - 2012.11.25 15:11:00 -
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Riddick Liddell wrote:- They look for people with single accounts and no real option to multi box a web alt. My guess, the reason CCp are ignoring it. I'd like to see you back that up.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1799
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Posted - 2012.11.25 17:16:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Riddick Liddell wrote:- They look for people with single accounts and no real option to multi box a web alt. My guess, the reason CCp are ignoring it. I'd like to see you back that up. What. People have already noted that popping an obvious web alt isn't such a big deal, especially when the people using it are likely to be ~profitably ganked~ (otherwise they'd just autopilot). Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
10733
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Posted - 2012.11.25 17:27:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Mag's wrote:Riddick Liddell wrote:- They look for people with single accounts and no real option to multi box a web alt. My guess, the reason CCp are ignoring it. I'd like to see you back that up. What. People have already noted that popping an obvious web alt isn't such a big deal, especially when the people using it are likely to be ~profitably ganked~ (otherwise they'd just autopilot). No, not that. I'd like him to suggest how they are checking someone is a single account user, with no real option and how this is related to his assertion CCP are ignoring it.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |

GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
100
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Posted - 2012.11.26 09:38:00 -
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Andski wrote:double-wrapping is your friend
Note: This advice is only valid in Eve Online.
PS: The answer to avoid getting suicide ganked, as many people have already posted:
Plan your trip, scout ahead, avoid known gank spots, and don't carry a tonne of high-value, low-volume items in something that aligns like a lethargic pig. |

Baden Luskan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
38
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Posted - 2012.11.26 09:55:00 -
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Simple solution...just shoot someone in a starter ship at each gate. Concord will show up, pop the alt, and then sit there for a few hours. This will then make CONCORD's assistance time instant (while the ships linger at the location of the incident).
Last I checked, this was frowned upon by CCP, but hell, if you yell some meaningful comment in local before you shoot someone, you can possibally claim you were RP'ing (kinda like how certain people get away with harrassing other players) and therefore CONCORD showing up was just part of your emerision. |

Tuxedo Catfish
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.11.26 15:59:00 -
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Baden Luskan wrote:Simple solution...just shoot someone in a starter ship at each gate. Concord will show up, pop the alt, and then sit there for a few hours. This will then make CONCORD's assistance time instant (while the ships linger at the location of the incident).
Last I checked, this was frowned upon by CCP, but hell, if you yell some meaningful comment in local before you shoot someone, you can possibally claim you were RP'ing (kinda like how certain people get away with harrassing other players) and therefore CONCORD showing up was just part of your emerision.
The first thing any competent suicide gank does is get aggression on an arbitrary target (or a previous freighter) and undock in GCC'd newbships to pull existing CONCORD spawns away from the target area. They can also bump the target off the gate grid, making it impractical to plan this sort of thing in advance. |

Elistea
BLUE Regiment.
107
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Posted - 2012.11.26 16:42:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:I have been struggling with tactics to neutralize freighter ganking in high sec but unfortunately, I can't envision any. Most of the gankers are already insta-targets now in high sec, and no one has been able to mount a decent defense. And I don't see any changes to that fact with the new game mechanics. In fact, it will be worse.
Is there anyone out there that thinks they have tactics that will work in 2 weeks?
Il'l give you a hint.
Whats wrong with this picture?
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15258262
If you get it, u are one step there. |

Herr Hammer Draken
165
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Posted - 2012.11.27 07:08:00 -
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Baden Luskan wrote:Simple solution...just shoot someone in a starter ship at each gate. Concord will show up, pop the alt, and then sit there for a few hours. This will then make CONCORD's assistance time instant (while the ships linger at the location of the incident).
Last I checked, this was frowned upon by CCP, but hell, if you yell some meaningful comment in local before you shoot someone, you can possibally claim you were RP'ing (kinda like how certain people get away with harrassing other players) and therefore CONCORD showing up was just part of your emerision.
Concord response time is not instant when on grid. In 1.0, 0.9, and 0.8 security status systems there is no difference in response time from concord when on grid or off.
In 0.7, 0.6 and 0.5 systems there is faster response time when concord is on grid. But it is only a few seconds faster not instant.
Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet" |

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
2121
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Posted - 2012.11.27 11:43:00 -
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Elistea wrote:http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15258262
Wow GǪ that's almost a year's free subscriptions for the folks who ganked the freighter.
We cannot repel stupid of this magnitude.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |

Christine Peeveepeeski
The Imperial Fedaykin
163
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Posted - 2012.11.27 12:55:00 -
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Ok, you aren't going to nullify it but doing the following helps.
Take one providence (highest armour value), add slave/armour implants to the hauler pilot. Fleet with an armour booster (use a damnation just in case the legion gets alpha'd out of spite). As an extra layer of protection take a logi or two so that you can rep up any damage that hasn't killed you.
You now have a much, much larger tank. Now don't carry more than 2-3 bill in goodies.
None of this is visible if you do it right ;) All the gankers see is a freighter because if you are smart you'll have the booster and logi's following you 1 jump ahead and behind so you have eyes and ears everywhere.
You could also add webbing ships to the mix so your warp time is faster (although this won't actually help you if someone wants the gank).
Hope that helps. |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
455
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Posted - 2012.11.27 13:12:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Vince Snetterton wrote: But to laugh at the general co-ordination of high sec players is like laughing at Incursion runner co-ordination, or wh squads doing PvE.
No, it's completely different. These are the same highsec players that outnumber us by at least 10 to 1, but complain about the CSM being almost entirely dominated by nullsec reps.
rofl, you, Mallak, owe me one shirt, as I spit coffee on it while laughing at your post. Don't know why it tickled me so, maybe I'm still drunk from last night, but lol anyway.
CCP Gargant:-á this game requires a certain amount of simply going out there and chatting with people. You will get scammed, destroyed, cheated, trolled, and blown up but that is just a part of the essence of this game. -á |

Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
429
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Posted - 2012.11.27 13:24:00 -
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Another option... Have a corpmate along to pop any loot that drops if you are ganked. Might as well remove profit from the picture and make the gankers waste money. |

Capt Starfox
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.12.02 22:15:00 -
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I got this. ..There are a lot of great and helpful posts here, nice work! This has been said [arbitrary number] amount of times, but I would like to add something. Common sense in association with: Do the research yourself and figure it out. I hear Google is great. I just did a quick 5s search and found 3 different sites about strategies on avoiding freighter ganks; -without really trying. Yes... sometimes you have to do some reading, I know.. I know. But this really isn't that hard, I mean holy hell there's even a very informative blog about it written by Mittani. |
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