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Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
122
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Posted - 2012.11.24 18:30:00 -
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Marvin Narville wrote:At any rate, the OP is a thinly veiled attempt to have CCP change the system. Why you ask, well here's why:
1.The suggestions in this thread are well known, borderline common knowledge. 2. The OP isn't popping his forum cherry right now, he's seen all this before. 3. This is his third thread on the same topic, the other two have been locked, recently. 4. He was precise in his wording, he wants to "nullify" hi sec freighter ganking, not "mitigate", not "reduce", not "make less frequent or more difficult or more expensive", he simply wants to nullify freighter ganking. (see definition below before you try to further mince words)
(nullify [-ên-îl+¬-îfa+¬] vb -fies, -fying, -fied (tr) 1. (Law) to render legally void or of no effect 2. to render ineffective or useless; cancel out)
5. In order to make ganking ineffective, useless, or cancel it out...in otherwords to nullify it, you WOULD in fact have to change gameplay mechanics, as currently ganking is "possible" by definition.
TL;DR Yes, yes the OP is in fact "looking to CCP to change the system" This sounds almost exactly like a recent discussion that took place over mining barges.
Do you think CCP will make the same assumption, that freighter pilots are too stupid to fly their ships without help? |

Tallian Saotome
Papercut Syndicate Tribal Band
857
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Posted - 2012.11.24 18:31:00 -
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Mistah Ewedynao wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Riddick Liddell wrote: - no skill or implant will help. If they catch you, it's all over.
So doubling your EHP won't help when the way gankers work it to do almost exactly enough damage to kill you to minimize their losses? HOW DID THEY STEAL THE DEATHRAY FROM CONCORD?!?!?!?!?!  Resistance is futile.... At least that's what the Gankers want you to think. I'm not a ganker, but I do side with them in this argument. Part of EVE is that you cannot stop learning, the day you get complacent, you get blown up.
I was talking to a corpy today about something like this. He had just fallen for the margin trading scam, and was cussing himself for not seeing how obvious a scam it was, but he was playing while he was tired and not paying proper attention, just saw a large profit to be made.
EVE is a game of awareness, intelligence, and ruthlessness. If you lack any one of these traits, you will not excel here(I say this as someone who like to get drunk and fly around in expensive ships cause its funny to lose a billion isk to a drunken escapade)
I think CCP themselves said it best. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |

Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
122
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Posted - 2012.11.24 18:33:00 -
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Riddick Liddell wrote:CCP know using autopilot isn't what it used to be. They do nothing. Probably because autopilot hasn't changed one bit. |

kes88
Swords of Persephone
0
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Posted - 2012.11.24 18:38:00 -
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Thank you for that. I was not aware that the OP was anything other than a noob who wanted some advice.
Firstly, I feel that almost (euphemism) every single thread started in GD with a view to getting help is utterly flamed, no matter the experience of the individual who started it. You all talk about EVE taking your cookie and laughing at you. Very well, but it would be nice if those asking for assistance were given some. Maybe let's take their cookie and pat them on the head for thinking they could have a cookie? That's all.
Secondly, yes, the OP needs to do some googling and research etc, but one would rather expect the EVE forums to be a good place to ask for ideas.
Thirdly, I rather read the OP's post as being 'how can I reduce the threat of being ganked' rather than 'nullify'. Men have a way of being overdramatic in their use of vocab. But then ASS-U-ME & etc. But thank you for the provision of a definition.
I am afraid that this thread and its responses rather saw the blunt end of my indignance as I am somewhat fed up of GD threads being the same old 'What if/How do I/What do I need to do if....' and 'STFU Carebear/Null-seccers suck/Hi-seccers suck/if you don't know what to do then you should BURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRN.' |

Tallian Saotome
Papercut Syndicate Tribal Band
857
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Posted - 2012.11.24 18:39:00 -
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kes88 wrote:Thank you for that. I was not aware that the OP was anything other than a noob who wanted some advice.
Firstly, I feel that almost (euphemism) every single thread started in GD with a view to getting help is utterly flamed, no matter the experience of the individual who started it. You all talk about EVE taking your cookie and laughing at you. Very well, but it would be nice if those asking for assistance were given some. Maybe let's take their cookie and pat them on the head for thinking they could have a cookie? That's all.
Secondly, yes, the OP needs to do some googling and research etc, but one would rather expect the EVE forums to be a good place to ask for ideas.
Thirdly, I rather read the OP's post as being 'how can I reduce the threat of being ganked' rather than 'nullify'. Men have a way of being overdramatic in their use of vocab. But then ASS-U-ME & etc. But thank you for the provision of a definition.
I am afraid that this thread and its responses rather saw the blunt end of my indignance as I am somewhat fed up of GD threads being the same old 'What if/How do I/What do I need to do if....' and 'STFU Carebear/Null-seccers suck/Hi-seccers suck/if you don't know what to do then you should BURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRN.' Protip: Almost every flame contains some advice on how not to be stupid, you just have to get over your hurt feelings and actually read them.
Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |

Mistah Ewedynao
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
92
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Posted - 2012.11.24 18:40:00 -
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I don't side with the gankers, nor do I side with fools who fly around with 50 plex's in cargo.
I do think that people need to learn how to play and all this, and "the borderline common knowledge" being given here, is part of that.
I don't really care about the OP's, or some of the posters here. "hidden agendas". I just like seeing constructive suggestions on how to avoid getting ganked. |

kes88
Swords of Persephone
0
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Posted - 2012.11.24 18:47:00 -
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Agreed. When advice is given.
It's the indviduals who basically say 'Well, clearly EVE isn't the game for you' that I take issue with. If those posters are asking, they haven't given up. If they are asking for CCP to change something, then they like the game, but they like it their way. If CCP don't think it needs changing, then agreed, it's probably not the game for them, but I do resent the level of intolerance of EVE players who ask questions. That's all.
Still don't get why those suggestions need to be responded to with 'You should be doing X you stupid ****' and not 'have you tried blinking it out?' |

Marvin Narville
Imperial Outlaws
27
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Posted - 2012.11.24 18:48:00 -
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kes88 wrote:
Thirdly, I rather read the OP's post as being 'how can I reduce the threat of being ganked' rather than 'nullify'. Men have a way of being overdramatic in their use of vocab. But then ASS-U-ME & etc. But thank you for the provision of a definition.
Nothing overly dramatic about it, and i'm not assuming, or suggesting its open to interpretation. Read the title of the thread. |

EglantinFinfleur
Pointy Teeth Society Ishukone Drug and Research Utilization Group
16
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Posted - 2012.11.24 18:50:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote: Then you'll be happy to know that those incursion runners don't give two ***** about freighter ganking, and considering their purpose in this game, they'd laugh themselves to tears when you propose that they spend their time providing logistics to gank targets for free instead of pulling 150 million/hour from their normal activities.
I never said that Incursion runners would be the ones to do it. I am talking about that level of co-ordination. Whether there are people willing to do this, that is indeed the question.
I'd be interested. Countergriefing gankbears is always good fun. |

kes88
Swords of Persephone
0
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Posted - 2012.11.24 18:51:00 -
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MEN |

Marvin Narville
Imperial Outlaws
27
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Posted - 2012.11.24 18:57:00 -
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I'm a man, and consider your accusations to be mildly sexist. Beyond that, you suggested that you "interpreted" the OP to mean mitigate, as opposed to nullify. He bluntly uses the word nullify in the thread title. So, I am not "assuming" anything, simply pointing out "specifically" what he "said". |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1795
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Posted - 2012.11.24 18:58:00 -
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Mistah Ewedynao wrote:I don't side with the gankers, nor do I side with fools who fly around with 50 plex's in cargo. You have to choose. General Discussion Online is full of hard and meaningful choices, like do you go with the 30billion isk freighter or the 10 taloses .... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

kes88
Swords of Persephone
0
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Posted - 2012.11.24 19:02:00 -
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Marvin Narville wrote:I'm a man, and consider your accusations to be mildly sexist. Beyond that, you suggested that you "interpreted" the OP to mean mitigate, as opposed to nullify. He bluntly uses the word nullify in the thread title. So, I am not "assuming" anything, simply pointing out "specifically" what he "said".
I'm sorry for that.
However, I consider that to be a somewhat specious argument. Nothing in EVE can be 'nullified' therefore I interpreted the OP to mean mitigate.
EDIT: When I made the ASS-U-ME reference I was talking about myself. Sorry I didn't make that clear. |

Mistah Ewedynao
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
94
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Posted - 2012.11.24 19:08:00 -
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Here's a good link to the evelopedia
Avoiding cargo scans |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
435
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Posted - 2012.11.24 19:29:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:You know you can also roll fat freighters with a T3 boosting alt, which would raise EHP to such a significant degree that it might break most gank attempts, right?
Can anyone open EFT and compare frighter EHP, at full level 5 skills, with and without the following: 5% shield/armor/hull hardwirings, a fully-skilled, mindlinked Legion booster with the armor resist link and the shield resist link, and maybe a slave set? If no one does it, I'll do it by hand, but I'm a bit busy atm.
OMFG EFFORT, not only do you want people to think about what they are doing and use mroe than one char autopiloting, you want them to have to use EFT too? What if their PLAY STYLE doens't involve effort??? This is whats wrong with EVE, people like YOU advocating effort and personal responsibilty for your choices instead of CCP fixing the game with pvp flags!
(Did I explode any sarcasm meters here? If not, someone EFT it for me so i can do enough forum DPS to explode sarcasm meters, or at least put them in reinforced)
 CCP Gargant:-á this game requires a certain amount of simply going out there and chatting with people. You will get scammed, destroyed, cheated, trolled, and blown up but that is just a part of the essence of this game. -á |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
435
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Posted - 2012.11.24 19:37:00 -
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Mr Pragmatic wrote:Faulting a freighter for carrying to much is like faulting someone who is carrying a briefcase full of money in an area with tons of police ready at any moment.
Cops should be able to insta pod a gankers head.
As someone who IRL works in the field you metioned, the guy walking around with that kind of cash even in the middle of a police station is basically a fool. IRL as in EVE, we provide CONSEQUENCES, not protection (you want "protection", carry a gun or hire private security).
The mindset you display isn't just a game thing. a few years ago where I'm from we instituted an awareness program to help people help us curb vehicle burglary problems.
The result, most people listend and the burglary rates went down, but a vocal minority screamed "you're just blaming the victims" and "police should protect our property even when we're stupid enough to leave expensive lap tops and such in plain view" (paraphrasing that 2nd one lol). In EVE, as in real life, some people would rather stick to a utopian view than conform to actual reality. CCP Gargant:-á this game requires a certain amount of simply going out there and chatting with people. You will get scammed, destroyed, cheated, trolled, and blown up but that is just a part of the essence of this game. -á |

Marvin Narville
Imperial Outlaws
28
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Posted - 2012.11.24 21:07:00 -
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Some Rando wrote: This sounds almost exactly like a recent discussion that took place over mining barges.
Do you think CCP will make the same assumption, that freighter pilots are too stupid to fly their ships without help?
If precedent is any indication, yes.
-- Please refer to my thoughts on implementing a reward system for the ship spinning mini game, in which I advocate increased rewards for spinning your ship in station. 100 LP per spin, and a small chance of officer drops with each spin. Also, implementation of some named officer modules which increase the speed your ship spins at, while also doing it for you while you are afk.
(This is of course prone to griefing and nerfing should CCP finish incarna in which case we might see a proliferation of station-ship-spinner-bumping of some sort, kicking off a whole new round of complaints, thereby revitalizing the increasingly stale GD forum.) |

Oopsy Bear
Massively Masochistic Machos
11
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Posted - 2012.11.24 21:46:00 -
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The advice in this thread is mostly good. However, the advice about avoiding systems where freighter ganking is happening is impossible. Add Uedama and Niarja to your avoidance list and make a route going anywhere. See the problem? |

Captain Tardbar
State Protectorate Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.11.24 21:47:00 -
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Marvin Narville wrote:3. Not cramming your freighter to the brim with PLEX/Officer mods in the first place
Has anyone realized that you don't actually need to use a freighter to haul plex?
I mean the key reason to stupidity here is that you can purchase and redeem plex on any character on any account.
Said account can have a character in Jita for the said purpose of redeeming accounts.
Secondly you can redeem a plex from anywhere and it doesn't just have to be the station you are in. Selling a Plex in region is just as redeemable as anywhere else without having to be in that station. As long as players can see it its worth purchasing and redeeming. If they want to resell it then there is no good reason to move it since whoever does want to use the plex can do so from anywhere.
There is no good reason to ever undock with plex in your cargo hold. PERIOD.
Yet people seem to do it on a regular basis according to kill mails. |

Wurmhel Wunderkind
Meerkat Embrace
2
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Posted - 2012.11.24 21:50:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Marvin Narville wrote:3. Not cramming your freighter to the brim with PLEX/Officer mods in the first place Has anyone realized that you don't actually need to use a freighter to haul plex? I mean the key reason to stupidity here is that you can purchase and redeem plex on any character on any account.
This. It's a testament to madness, really, and punishing that is something you can never close the door on. |

Mars Theran
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
424
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Posted - 2012.11.24 22:10:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:I have been struggling with tactics to neutralize freighter ganking in high sec but unfortunately, I can't envision any. Most of the gankers are already insta-targets now in high sec, and no one has been able to mount a decent defense. And I don't see any changes to that fact with the new game mechanics. In fact, it will be worse.
Is there anyone out there that thinks they have tactics that will work in 2 weeks?
Where is the post where you explain that you aren't looking for tactics that involve scouting or tanking more, or flying with no value cargo, as has been suggested? I'm assuming that you already kn those exist and just chose not to mention them.
~ Freighters can't be fit, so that is a limitation on tactics. All that is left is having someone web you to align faster, as mentioned, and not carrying high value cargo.
~ One obvious tactic you might not have considered: Get somebody else to fly it with a Courier package. This is probably the best honestly, as you can put a high value on the cargo to protect against potential loss. If they lose it, it becomes their loss, rather than yours. Monetarily speaking anyway.
That basically ensures that they will do what they can to protect it, and they do make a business of that. Also, it is relatively inexpensive to contract a courier. This will always work in your favor, provided you don't absolutely have to have that cargo somewhere at a given time for some other purpose where ISK covering its loss is just not enough, and I doubt that's likely.
Think of Freighter ganking as an incentive to use Courier contracts; that is what it really boils down to. Also, it means you don't need, or have to train a Freighter Alt or fly one yourself. That's a pretty good bonus right there.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5597
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Posted - 2012.11.24 22:12:00 -
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The rest of the carebears have already figured out the perfect tactic. They'll throw their lil tantrums on the forums, threaten to unsub and demand that the game is changed to suit their AFK, no-effort playstyle. Trying to game the system and beat the gankers is too much effort - they'd have to pause Netflix and alt tab into the game. ~*a-áproud belligerent undesirable*~
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. |

Ritsum
Perkone Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2012.11.24 22:32:00 -
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10 ways to avoid ganks...
1) Fit nothing over T2 modules (No faction No ded and no Officer mods).
2) Do not auto-pilot/afk if you do equip high end Modules.
3) If you insist on using high end modules, take note of popular ganking corps/alliances and keep an eye on local to spot said members.
4) Review High-Sec pvp mechanics to make sure you either a) Don't get yourself concorded b) Don't give anyone the rights to attack you freely.
5) Do not Transport Multi Billion isk cargo without either back up or knowledge of known ganking area's
6) In missions do not shoot at pesky Ninja looters, you are giving yourself a death sentence because they get the rights to shoot you back and guess what? Your Mission fit ship ain't that great for PvP.
7) If mining TANK YOUR FRIGGEN SHIP!
8) Don't **** off people... This is a sure-fire way to get yourself suicide ganked even if it wont be a profit for the gankers.
9) Again because you probably thought I was joking... TANK YOUR FRIGGEN MINING SHIPS!
10) If Can mining, DO NOT! I repeat DO NOT! sick your drones on can flippers... You are giving them the rights to shoot back and they will out pvp a mining ship...
Also quit complaining that concord needs to be buffed or nerfed... It's at the point where ganks in high sec are harder to be profitable at the same time allowing determined individuals to still gank for profit. This is a great balance for High sec since it is meant to be a "Policed" zone...
If you are upset that you cannot gank every ship you see like you can in low/null then too bad THIS IS NOT LOW/NULL!
If you are upset that you find High Sec unsafe, TOO FRIGGEN BAD, IT HAS BEEN BUFFED COUNTLESS TIME'S THAT IT HAS BECOME YOUR OWN FAULT IF YOU ARE GANKED!
Nuff said really.... I am a proud High Sec Pve player. Got a problem? |

ACE McFACE
The Forsworn Protectorate Imperial Protectorate
884
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Posted - 2012.11.24 23:19:00 -
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Zaraz Zaraz wrote:ACE McFACE wrote:I also noticed this is the third thread you have made about the same thing because the other 2 got locked. I think the other 2 got locked because of comments on the thread from people other than the OP. Thats what ISD's do; lock threads that have too many naughty comments in them. Thats their JOB. Also this is from the first one:
Quote: I have a visceral hatred of the sociopaths in this game.
Quote:I have been struggling with tactics to blow these asshats out of the sky
Quote:Most of these creeps are already insta-targets now in high sec "No one drove in New York, there was too much traffic." |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1795
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Posted - 2012.11.24 23:26:00 -
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Andski wrote:The rest of the carebears have already figured out the perfect tactic. They'll throw their lil tantrums on the forums, threaten to unsub and demand that the game is changed to suit their AFK, no-effort playstyle. Trying to game the system and beat the gankers is too much effort - they'd have to pause Netflix and alt tab into the game. Aren't they gaming the CCP buff/nerf system though, I mean they're alt-tabbing into General Discussion and posting... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1532
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Posted - 2012.11.24 23:28:00 -
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kes88 wrote:@ Destiny, didn't sound like whining to me, sounded like he just wanted some helpful suggestions on how to deal with it. Sounds like you are the one whining that yet another individual has come to the forums for assistance and they must clearly be looking to CCP to change the system. Not because they just wanted realistic suggestions on what to do, eg take small support fleet etc
But thank you for your incredibly helpful reply which has obviously assisted GD with reaching its dailly quota of douchebag Hey bro, before you go off and attack someone like that, why not do some research on both the person you're attacking, and the person you're defending? Like for example, check their post histories. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |

Zaraz Zaraz
Imperial Planetology Academy
36
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Posted - 2012.11.24 23:50:00 -
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Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Zaraz Zaraz wrote:ACE McFACE wrote:I also noticed this is the third thread you have made about the same thing because the other 2 got locked. I think the other 2 got locked because of comments on the thread from people other than the OP. Thats what ISD's do; lock threads that have too many naughty comments in them. Thats their JOB. Actually one of them was locked because you're not allowed to reopen locked threads by recreating the OP, which is what OP has done here.
Locking a thread for being a reopened locked thread which was locked for a really dumb reason by a really dumb ISD is still dumb.
ISD need to be reined in. Half the time they are being idiots.
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Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
123
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Posted - 2012.11.25 00:13:00 -
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Oopsy Bear wrote:Add Uedama and Niarja to your avoidance list and make a route going anywhere. See the problem? I made a route from Villore to Dodixie and I don't see a problem. |

Tesal
49
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Posted - 2012.11.25 00:19:00 -
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Put cans of junk in your cargo hold. The list becomes so long they don't read it. |

Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
124
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Posted - 2012.11.25 00:34:00 -
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Tesal wrote:Put cans of junk in your cargo hold. The list becomes so long they don't read it. There are programs that read the value for you. Simple copy->paste kind of things. |
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