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DarthNefarius Minmatar Heavy Industries 453	Posted - 2012.12.01 08:05:00 - [31] - Quote Merovee wrote: "You can now place a bounty on any player character in New Eden, except Dev and ISD characters." (a) 5% leave (b) 10% leave (c) 20% leave (d) BEAR STAMPEDE ---> Exit TBH I think DEVs should rethink the DEV bounty exception 1) it would make a nice irrelavent ISK SINK forthe following reasons: 3) DEV KM'sare prized anywayz Iwould kill 1 just for the street creds 4) The bountyis 20% of what? the DEV implants are 0 anywayz 5) it lets peeps take out frustration in a silly way that is irrelevant inthe grad theme of it all let us havefun CCP The ISD restriction I agree with since they are voulunteers "Having a bad day? It takes 42 muscles to frown, but only 4 to pullthe trigger of a decent sniper rifle." - Dr. John D. Taylor
DarthNefarius Minmatar Heavy Industries 453	Posted - 2012.12.01 08:09:00 - [32] - Quote Honestly IMHO any true PvPers would be stupid to not put a bounty on themselves on DEC 4th so they get more action "Having a bad day? It takes 42 muscles to frown, but only 4 to pullthe trigger of a decent sniper rifle." - Dr. John D. Taylor
Cannibal Kane Praetorian Cannibals 743	Posted - 2012.12.01 08:23:00 - [33] - Quote You people do know that placing a bounty on somebody does not mean Automatic Kill-Rights right? Right? I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist. The Crazy Space Poor South African. *Hair done by LGÇÖOr+¬al, because I'm worth it.
Webvan State War Academy Caldari State 169	Posted - 2012.12.01 08:32:00 - [34] - Quote I wonder how this will play out for FW. Scout a target, bounty the defenders, step over them 10 minutes later after they finished each other off. A small price to pay for annexing the universe. The best laid schemes of mice and men Go often awry, And leave us nothing but grief and pain, For promised joy!
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet 3046	Posted - 2012.12.01 08:32:00 - [35] - Quote DarthNefarius wrote: Merovee wrote: "You can now place a bounty on any player character in New Eden, except Dev and ISD characters." (a) 5% leave (b) 10% leave (c) 20% leave (d) BEAR STAMPEDE ---> Exit TBH I think DEVs should rethink the DEV bounty exception 1) it would make a nice irrelavent ISK SINK forthe following reasons: 3) DEV KM'sare prized anywayz Iwould kill 1 just for the street creds 4) The bountyis 20% of what? the DEV implants are 0 anywayz 5) it lets peeps take out frustration in a silly way that is irrelevant inthe grad theme of it all let us havefun CCP The ISD restriction I agree with since they are voulunteers 1) Irrelevant is right. 2) Yes, so there is no need to add bounties to them. 3) K. 4) Irrelevant is right again. Notice how you didn't give any actual reason to do it, while ignoring the CCP provided good reasons not to do it. I'm sure CCP could work around the problems, but why build in more exceptions in the code for no real benefit, when they're trying hard to remove such things from the old code. Quote: You people do know that placing a bounty on somebody does not mean Automatic Kill-Rights right? Right? Perhaps more importantly do they know, that paying the minimum amount of ISK to put up the bounty doesn't mean, that the killer automaticly gets paid 20% of the value of the kill.
Myfanwy Heimdal Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc 174	Posted - 2012.12.01 08:40:00 - [36] - Quote Complaint Dept wrote: And Orcas are on the menu as well. Think about putting a bounty on an Orca pilot and then gank'em. This is just Hulkageddon with a CCP pay out instead of a Goon payout! ********!! All that this is is that CCP are making a player innovation more formalised. This is no different to what is happening now, if you weren't victim to a sponsored gank squad before then it's less than likely that you will be in the future. Remember, this is Eve. You undock; you're now a target for someone.
Remiel Pollard Devlin Security Devlin Alliance 174	Posted - 2012.12.01 08:46:00 - [37] - Quote Merovee wrote: "You can now place a bounty on any player character in New Eden, except Dev and ISD characters." (a) 5% leave (b) 10% leave (c) 20% leave (d) BEAR STAMPEDE ---> Exit How long is it going to take people to realise that bounties =/= kill rights. This poll also assumes that it's impossible that 0% will leave, or that there won't be a positive outcome for the entire game in general. Not sure if you're looking for some actual results to a real query or just trying to enforce your own opinion. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
Scatim Helicon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1068	Posted - 2012.12.01 08:46:00 - [38] - Quote Are CCP Devs allowed to put bounties on other CCP Devs? Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge **.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006 ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever.
Nerath Naaris Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy 201	Posted - 2012.12.01 08:47:00 - [39] - Quote Destination SkillQueue wrote: DarthNefarius wrote: Merovee wrote: "You can now place a bounty on any player character in New Eden, except Dev and ISD characters." (a) 5% leave (b) 10% leave (c) 20% leave (d) BEAR STAMPEDE ---> Exit TBH I think DEVs should rethink the DEV bounty exception 1) it would make a nice irrelavent ISK SINK forthe following reasons: 3) DEV KM'sare prized anywayz Iwould kill 1 just for the street creds 4) The bountyis 20% of what? the DEV implants are 0 anywayz 5) it lets peeps take out frustration in a silly way that is irrelevant inthe grad theme of it all let us havefun CCP The ISD restriction I agree with since they are voulunteers 1) Irrelevant is right. 2) Yes, so there is no need to add bounties to them. 3) K. 4) Irrelevant is right again. Notice how you didn't give any actual reason to do it, while ignoring the CCP provided good reasons not to do it. I'm sure CCP could work around the problems, but why build in more exceptions in the code for no real benefit, when they're trying hard to remove such things from the old code. This being Eve, placing bounties on Devs could probably be seen as a sign of affection towards certain Devs, kind of like the Eve version of the social inept 10 year old school bully that throws rocks at the girls he secretly likes. Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20.
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1244	Posted - 2012.12.01 08:54:00 - [40] - Quote Merovee wrote: "You can now place a bounty on any player character in New Eden, except Dev and ISD characters." (a) 5% leave (b) 10% leave (c) 20% leave (d) BEAR STAMPEDE ---> Exit The only injustice here is the underlined part. Stinks heavily of bias. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto
Lance Rossiter CHAINS Corp 24	Posted - 2012.12.01 08:54:00 - [41] - Quote It's not insignificant that this change will universalise incentivised ganking operations. Getting the entire community informed of your plan and united in motive against a target is a much more serious matter than getting a small group of your pals and whoever else you manage to inform on board: it's a huge logistical gain. But someone does still have to pay, and they could already have used the ISK to achieve the same result prior to this change, so it is "just" a matter of scope, even if the change in scope is huge.
Ritsum Perkone Caldari State 34	Posted - 2012.12.01 10:11:00 - [42] - Quote e) People don't complain and enjoy the game with the new Bounty / Kill rights system. Hell even as someone who has limited Ship PvP experience [growing still] I am looking forward to this... I will fit some T1 frigates or the new destroyers and try and find some guys to fly with that are buying kill rights and using them to gank. I am a proud High Sec Pve player. Got a problem?
SmilingVagrant GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 982	Posted - 2012.12.01 10:13:00 - [43] - Quote Ritsum wrote: e) People don't complain and enjoy the game with the new Bounty / Kill rights system. Hell even as someone who has limited Ship PvP experience [growing still] I am looking forward to this... I will fit some T1 frigates or the new destroyers and try and find some guys to fly with that are buying kill rights and using them to gank. I like this guy, he has moxy.
Alara IonStorm 3623	Posted - 2012.12.01 10:14:00 - [44] - Quote SmilingVagrant wrote: Ritsum wrote: e) People don't complain and enjoy the game with the new Bounty / Kill rights system. Hell even as someone who has limited Ship PvP experience [growing still] I am looking forward to this... I will fit some T1 frigates or the new destroyers and try and find some guys to fly with that are buying kill rights and using them to gank. I like this guy, he has moxy. That kind of Moxie will get him killed... Wait we're undying clones, never mind.
SmilingVagrant GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 982	Posted - 2012.12.01 10:15:00 - [45] - Quote Alara IonStorm wrote: That kind of Moxie will get him killed... Wait we're undying clones, never mind. My ship is a bullet, expendable in the war against my enemies. My will is the gun.
Alara IonStorm 3623	Posted - 2012.12.01 10:18:00 - [46] - Quote SmilingVagrant wrote: My ship is a bullet, expendable in the war against my enemies. My will is the gun. A freighter is the person who's head it is up against and Concord is the backfire.
SmilingVagrant GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 983	Posted - 2012.12.01 10:28:00 - [47] - Quote Alara IonStorm wrote: SmilingVagrant wrote: My ship is a bullet, expendable in the war against my enemies. My will is the gun. A freighter is the person who's head it is up against and Concord is the backfire. Good use of my quote, but I'm one of those goons who actually gets nervous in highsec because there are too many neutrals and I'm constantly having to fight back my natural tendencies to randomly open fire on the people idling on the gate.
Doddy Excidium. Executive Outcomes 375	Posted - 2012.12.01 10:51:00 - [48] - Quote Complaint Dept wrote: Agree! Maybe a deal breaker! CCP is becoming Pirate friendly!! "You can now place a bounty on any player character in New Eden, except Dev and ISD characters." "The minimum bounty amounts are: Players (100,000 ISK), Corporations (20,000,000 ISK), Alliances (100,000,000 ISK)" "Bounty payout is now based on damage inflicted on the target. The payout is 20% of the loss value." Bounties should be for criminals, outlaws, and players with low morale character (low standings)! NOT for the general player who wishes not to be involved in PVP. All you have to do is put a bounty on every freighter pilot. At current cost of a freighter at $1.5 bil. and with 20% loss value that alone is 300 mil. NOT including loss of cargo or cargo dropped. That could easily become a 500 mil + bounty for a rock bottom price of 100k. fee. It will be a pirate field day!! What in the heck is CCP thinking!! I enjoy the industrial challenges of the game. And wish not to get involved in PVP. But once again the industrialist get the short end of the stick!! And I'm sure CSM had a lot to do with this. Thanks for making this game less enjoyable!! You know anyone doing that would still lose isk right? Its alot of hassle to go for to lose isk. To pay out 500 mil bounty someone needs to have put 500 mil bounty on that pilot. No isk can be payed out that is not in escrow for bounty, isk is not made out of thin air. So the person setting the bounty loses 500 mil, the gankers get 500 mil more back than they would hve for ganking as normal (so they can pick a less valuable target for sure). Basically it would be a method for an individua
Valleria Darkmoon No Salvation 35	Posted - 2012.12.01 11:09:00 - [49] - Quote Complaint Dept wrote: Agree! Maybe a deal breaker! CCP is becoming Pirate friendly!! "You can now place a bounty on any player character in New Eden, except Dev and ISD characters." "The minimum bounty amounts are: Players (100,000 ISK), Corporations (20,000,000 ISK), Alliances (100,000,000 ISK)" "Bounty payout is now based on damage inflicted on the target. The payout is 20% of the loss value." Bounties should be for criminals, outlaws, and players with low morale character (low standings)! NOT for the general player who wishes not to be involved in PVP. All you have to do is put a bounty on every freighter pilot. At current cost of a freighter at $1.5 bil. and with 20% loss value that alone is 300 mil. NOT including loss of cargo or cargo dropped. That could easily become a 500 mil + bounty for a rock bottom price of 100k. fee. It will be a pirate field day!! What in the heck is CCP thinking!! I enjoy the industrial challenges of the game. And wish not to get involved in PVP. But once again the industrialist get the short end of the stick!! And I'm sure CSM had a lot to do with this. Thanks for making this game less enjoyable!! Someone has to actually put up the money on you. The bounty isn't just on 20% of the value of every kill everyone gets from now until the end of time. Your cargo was generally not only enough to go for the gank but also the driving factor, an extra payout (assuming someone supplies it) is just gravy at best. Bounties do not give kill rights either so the gank is still of the suicide nature and therefore you STILL have to be flying something worth killing since your killer is guaranteed to die. All I have to say is try it for a few weeks I suspect you overestimate your impact on the rest of us playing, or do you suspect someone cares enough about what you do day to day to bother putting up good ISK to get someone else to kill you. If you get ganked in a freighter it will be because you are flying a freighter with a lot of goodies in it. As it stands right now I think the only reason you'll get a bounty is because you cried about it here if you get one at all. If you'd like to put a bounty on me you can always add it to the pile. Incidentally security status tells you nothing about how trustworthy a person is. I may be violent and aggressive but I do honor any offers I do make. I soloed a Wolf in a T1 frigate a while ago and the pilot convoed me to ask for a ransom on his ship. I told him battleclinic points can not be bought so it'd have to really be worth my while to let him go. I told him we could do a deal on the pod which is why if you were to look up the kill you'll find I didn't have his pod as a related kill, 20 mil was all it took to turn off my point. I could have said sure taken his money then killed him anyway and kept the ransom like that 5.0 null sec player would have done.
Skydell Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums 349	Posted - 2012.12.01 13:56:00 - [50] - Quote SmilingVagrant wrote: Alara IonStorm wrote: SmilingVagrant wrote: My ship is a bullet, expendable in the war against my enemies. My will is the gun. A freighter is the person who's head it is up against and Concord is the backfire. Good use of my quote, but I'm one of those goons who actually gets nervous in highsec because there are too many neutrals and I'm constantly having to fight back my natural tendencies to randomly open fire on the people idling on the gate. Because you know the tank is a lie and any half dozen of them could evaporate all your shinies in 6 seconds?
The Protato Protus Correction Facility Inc. 90	Posted - 2012.12.01 14:04:00 - [51] - Quote Webvan wrote: The best laid schemes of mice and men Go often awry, Rabbie Burns wrote: The best-laid plans o' mice and men gang aft agley FTFY. Lern2Scotland.
James Amril-Kesh RAZOR Alliance 1371	Posted - 2012.12.01 14:07:00 - [52] - Quote e) <1% leave -áObjects in mirror are redder than they appear.
Arduemont Rotten Legion Ops 806	Posted - 2012.12.01 14:17:00 - [53] - Quote I see a lot of people whining that all someone has to do is put bounties on all Exhumer pilots or freighter pilots, or (insert high-sec ship of choice here) and it becomes profitable to gank them. It's not.... Someone has to cough up the bounty ISK in the first place, and that person isn't likely to get that ISK back. Even if they did get it back, they wouldn't have earned anything, they would have just go their money back. So where are all these mysterious super rich griefers, who want to throw away ISK for lols, going to come from, eh? This will probably happen on a very small scale at some point, but it will probably be a much smaller problem than you envisage. You could already do this to afk pilots in highsec anyway. Place bounty, suicide gank, suicide gank pod in quick succession, and the results would be the same as what everyone is whining about now. In fact, its more effective now than it will be. This problem your imagining is actually worse at the moment, than it will be after the patch. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice."
Bagrat Skalski Poseidaon 68	Posted - 2012.12.01 15:03:00 - [54] - Quote It will not be bad, I can assure you. In hi sec freighters worth ganking... well, they were ganked anyways. People worth ganking were ganked anyways either, so i don't understand what will it change, beside fact, that someone will lose money, and someone will take part of them as bounty payoff. Inside mining barge, true story
Borascus Red Core Paradigm Shift Alliance 127	Posted - 2012.12.01 15:09:00 - [55] - Quote (e) bountied players commit less criminal acts / don't care in hi-sec = win E
Gillia Winddancer Shiny Noble Crown Services 134	Posted - 2012.12.01 15:14:00 - [56] - Quote You'd have to be pretty damn rich, bored and probably somewhat stupid if you were to end up placing attractive bounties on random people for no reason whatsoever.
baltec1 Bat Country 2998	Posted - 2012.12.01 15:15:00 - [57] - Quote And so it starts. We have had months of bears chestbeating this victory, claiming to be soaking up the none existent tears of the gankers. But now they realise that not only will this not stop us but we are getting all new ways to have our fun. Winter is coming.
Ammzi Infinite Covenant Tribal Band 1069	Posted - 2012.12.01 15:18:00 - [58] - Quote Complaint Dept wrote: What in the heck is CCP thinking!! I enjoy the industrial challenges of the game. And wish not to get involved in PVP. But once again the industrialist get the short end of the stick!! And I'm sure CSM had a lot to do with this. Thanks for making this game less enjoyable!! Oh joy, oh joy. Your tears are full of of sugar. Bounties on all the industrialists! quote CCP Spitfire "Hello Im Blue,"
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. 1194	Posted - 2012.12.01 15:31:00 - [59] - Quote Complaint Dept wrote: Agree! Maybe a deal breaker! CCP is becoming Pirate friendly!! "You can now place a bounty on any player character in New Eden, except Dev and ISD characters." "The minimum bounty amounts are: Players (100,000 ISK), Corporations (20,000,000 ISK), Alliances (100,000,000 ISK)" "Bounty payout is now based on damage inflicted on the target. The payout is 20% of the loss value." Bounties should be for criminals, outlaws, and players with low morale character (low standings)! NOT for the general player who wishes not to be involved in PVP. All you have to do is put a bounty on every freighter pilot. At current cost of a freighter at $1.5 bil. and with 20% loss value that alone is 300 mil. NOT including loss of cargo or cargo dropped. That could easily become a 500 mil + bounty for a rock bottom price of 100k. fee. It will be a pirate field day!! What in the heck is CCP thinking!! I enjoy the industrial challenges of the game. And wish not to get involved in PVP. But once again the industrialist get the short end of the stick!! And I'm sure CSM had a lot to do with this. Thanks for making this game less enjoyable!! Er, one issue with your analysis. The payout is 20% of the value lost, or the remaining bounty, whichever is lower. If I place a 100K bounty on a freighter, the person killing the freighter only gets 100K. The reason the bounty system is available for everyone and place-able on anyone is alliances are already paying out bounties on various ship kills. They just have to do it manually. Now the game will handle it for them. Freighter pilots: If 2 of you fly together and form a fleet, and the commander has the proper fleet skills, you will both have about 20% more tank. This increases the cost to gank you and offsets the bounty. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1819	Posted - 2012.12.01 16:19:00 - [60] - Quote Ammzi wrote: Complaint Dept wrote: What in the heck is CCP thinking!! I enjoy the industrial challenges of the game. And wish not to get involved in PVP. But once again the industrialist get the short end of the stick!! And I'm sure CSM had a lot to do with this. Thanks for making this game less enjoyable!! Oh joy, oh joy. Your tears are full of of sugar. Bounties on all the industrialists! Are you a bad enough freighter to take 20 billion of stuff through a ganker camp on the Perimeter gate? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm

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