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Merovee Gorthaur Legion Of Mordor 62	Posted - 2012.12.01 06:50:00 - [1] - Quote "You can now place a bounty on any player character in New Eden, except Dev and ISD characters." (a) 5% leave (b) 10% leave (c) 20% leave (d) BEAR STAMPEDE ---> Exit
Sentamon 283	Posted - 2012.12.01 06:54:00 - [2] - Quote ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~
Simetraz State War Academy Caldari State 463	Posted - 2012.12.01 06:59:00 - [3] - Quote OP - not sure about the numbers but you could do a pole. Lets start with you. I place a bounty on you what will you do ? EVERYBODY KNOWS
Alara IonStorm 3619	Posted - 2012.12.01 07:00:00 - [4] - Quote I tank anything expensive, it isn't worth ganking anything cheap and in PvP I only fly what I can afford to lose... also in PvE. How does having a bounty effect me?
Joelleaveek Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 119	Posted - 2012.12.01 07:01:00 - [5] - Quote Having a bounty on you makes it to unsafe to undock, obviously.
Merovee Gorthaur Legion Of Mordor 62	Posted - 2012.12.01 07:03:00 - [6] - Quote Simetraz wrote: OP - not sure about the numbers but you could do a pole. Lets start with you. I place a bounty on you what will you do ? Double that on you. Your move.
Nylith Empyreal Crowbar Industries. 167	Posted - 2012.12.01 07:09:00 - [7] - Quote Wave it like it was my nations flag and go about my business. "Oh, you can't help that," said the troll: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" -ásaid the forumwarrior. "You must be," said the troll, "or you wouldn't have come here."
Galaxy Pig Caldari Provisions Caldari State 196	Posted - 2012.12.01 07:12:00 - [8] - Quote Good riddance.
Merovee Gorthaur Legion Of Mordor 62	Posted - 2012.12.01 07:14:00 - [9] - Quote I hope I'm wrong, that its all shts n giggles, but I have this feeling its not going to happen. We'll see.
Alara IonStorm 3619	Posted - 2012.12.01 07:17:00 - [10] - Quote Merovee wrote: I hope I'm wrong, that its all shts n giggles, but I have this feeling its not going to happen. We'll see. Yeah what exactly do you think will happen to people who get bounties that you think will make them leave?
Joelleaveek Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 119	Posted - 2012.12.01 07:20:00 - [11] - Quote Bounty =/= kill right /thread
Bane Necran Appono Astos 857	Posted - 2012.12.01 07:20:00 - [12] - Quote Merovee wrote: I hope I'm wrong, that its all shts n giggles, but I have this feeling its not going to happen. We'll see. The reason you're only seeing half-hearted attempts to discuss this is it's a subject that's been explored in great depth for weeks now. Go and find the other threads to get all the answers you crave. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 582	Posted - 2012.12.01 07:21:00 - [13] - Quote Goodbye fairweather players. Now that the crybaby footstompers have left, who wants to 1v1 at the sun? (all 3 people left in local warp to sun..goodfights are had) *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Complaint Dept Republic University Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2012.12.01 07:24:00 - [14] - Quote Agree! Maybe a deal breaker! CCP is becoming Pirate friendly!! "You can now place a bounty on any player character in New Eden, except Dev and ISD characters." "The minimum bounty amounts are: Players (100,000 ISK), Corporations (20,000,000 ISK), Alliances (100,000,000 ISK)" "Bounty payout is now based on damage inflicted on the target. The payout is 20% of the loss value." Bounties should be for criminals, outlaws, and players with low morale characters (low standings)! NOT for the general player who wishes not to be involved in PVP. All you have to do is put a bounty on every freighter pilot. At current cost of a freighter at $1.5 bil. and with 20% loss value that alone is 300 mil. NOT including loss of cargo or cargo dropped. That could easily become a 500 mil + bounty for a rock bottom price of 100k. fee. It will be a pirate field day!! What in the heck is CCP thinking!! I enjoy the industrial challenges of the game. And wish not to get involved in PVP. But once again the industrialist get the short end of the stick!! And I'm sure CSM had a lot to do with this. Thanks for making this game less enjoyable!!
Joelleaveek Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 119	Posted - 2012.12.01 07:28:00 - [15] - Quote Complaint Dept wrote: Agree! Maybe a deal breaker! CCP is becoming Pirate friendly!! "You can now place a bounty on any player character in New Eden, except Dev and ISD characters." "The minimum bounty amounts are: Players (100,000 ISK), Corporations (20,000,000 ISK), Alliances (100,000,000 ISK)" "Bounty payout is now based on damage inflicted on the target. The payout is 20% of the loss value." Bounties should be for criminals, outlaws, and players with low morale characters (low standings)! NOT for the general player who wishes not to be involved in PVP. All you have to do is put a bounty on every freighter pilot. At current cost of a freighter at $1.5 bil. and with 20% loss value that alone is 300 mil. NOT including loss of cargo or cargo dropped. That could easily become a 500 mil + bounty for a rock bottom price of 100k. fee. It will be a pirate field day!! What in the heck is CCP thinking!! I enjoy the industrial challenges of the game. And wish not to get involved in PVP. But once again the industrialist get the short end of the stick!! And I'm sure CSM had a lot to do with this. Thanks for making this game less enjoyable!! You missed the part where the bounty paid out comes from pool of bounties placed on that character, its not generated on of air. If my bounty is 100k max you will get for killing me is 100k.
No More Heroes GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1718	Posted - 2012.12.01 07:29:00 - [16] - Quote Merovee wrote: "You can now place a bounty on any player character in New Eden, except Dev and ISD characters." (a) 5% leave (b) 10% leave (c) 20% leave (d) BEAR STAMPEDE ---> Exit Who is to blame for this?? .
Akrasjel Lanate Naquatech Conglomerate 802	Posted - 2012.12.01 07:31:00 - [17] - Quote Merovee wrote: "You can now place a bounty on any player character in New Eden, except Dev and ISD characters." (a) 5% leave (b) 10% leave (c) 20% leave (d) BEAR STAMPEDE ---> Exit But that dosn't make you a lagit target in high sec
Joelleaveek Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 119	Posted - 2012.12.01 07:32:00 - [18] - Quote Merovee wrote: "You can now place a bounty on any player character in New Eden, except Dev and ISD characters." I think what we should be complaining about is not being able to bounty the Devs.
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet 3046	Posted - 2012.12.01 07:33:00 - [19] - Quote Joelleaveek wrote: Merovee wrote: "You can now place a bounty on any player character in New Eden, except Dev and ISD characters." I think what we should be complaining about is not being able to bounty the Devs. People generally don't see the point of complaining about smart development choices.
Alara IonStorm 3619	Posted - 2012.12.01 07:33:00 - [20] - Quote Complaint Dept wrote: All you have to do is put a bounty on every freighter pilot. At current cost of a freighter at $1.5 bil. and with 20% loss value that alone is 300 mil. NOT including loss of cargo or cargo dropped. That could easily become a 500 mil + bounty for a rock bottom price of 100k. fee. It will be a pirate field day!! What in the heck is CCP thinking!! I enjoy the industrial challenges of the game. And wish not to get involved in PVP. But once again the industrialist get the short end of the stick!! And I'm sure CSM had a lot to do with this. Thanks for making this game less enjoyable!! You can do that now. Just Hire a Gank Team to hit X Freighter. They already exist, approach them for it. This changes nothing.
Some Rando University of Caille Gallente Federation 150	Posted - 2012.12.01 07:34:00 - [21] - Quote Merovee wrote: (d) BEAR STAMPEDE ---> Exit One can only hope.
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 5634	Posted - 2012.12.01 07:41:00 - [22] - Quote bears demand bounty changes CCP throws out more important work to deliver bounty changes bears get upset over bounty changes ~a-áproud belligerent undesirable~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1811	Posted - 2012.12.01 07:42:00 - [23] - Quote Andski wrote: bears demand bounty changes CCP throws out more important work to deliver bounty changes bears get upset over bounty changes ^___^ Need to buff freighters now. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Complaint Dept Republic University Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2012.12.01 07:44:00 - [24] - Quote Alara IonStorm wrote: Complaint Dept wrote: All you have to do is put a bounty on every freighter pilot. At current cost of a freighter at $1.5 bil. and with 20% loss value that alone is 300 mil. NOT including loss of cargo or cargo dropped. That could easily become a 500 mil + bounty for a rock bottom price of 100k. fee. It will be a pirate field day!! What in the heck is CCP thinking!! I enjoy the industrial challenges of the game. And wish not to get involved in PVP. But once again the industrialist get the short end of the stick!! And I'm sure CSM had a lot to do with this. Thanks for making this game less enjoyable!! You can do that now. Just Hire a Gank Team to hit X Freighter. They already exist, approach them for it. This changes nothing. But all they would get is the loot. Now they don't even need that to make isk!
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet 3046	Posted - 2012.12.01 07:47:00 - [25] - Quote Complaint Dept wrote: Alara IonStorm wrote: Complaint Dept wrote: All you have to do is put a bounty on every freighter pilot. At current cost of a freighter at $1.5 bil. and with 20% loss value that alone is 300 mil. NOT including loss of cargo or cargo dropped. That could easily become a 500 mil + bounty for a rock bottom price of 100k. fee. It will be a pirate field day!! What in the heck is CCP thinking!! I enjoy the industrial challenges of the game. And wish not to get involved in PVP. But once again the industrialist get the short end of the stick!! And I'm sure CSM had a lot to do with this. Thanks for making this game less enjoyable!! You can do that now. Just Hire a Gank Team to hit X Freighter. They already exist, approach them for it. This changes nothing. But all they would get is the loot. Now they don't even need that to make isk! Yes, all they need is someone to log in a put a huge bounty on every such ship in the game. I'll just login and do that right now.
Erel Kighas Ex Cruoris Libertas Infinite Improbabilities 0	Posted - 2012.12.01 07:48:00 - [26] - Quote Merovee wrote: "You can now place a bounty on any player character in New Eden, except Dev and ISD characters." (a) 5% leave (b) 10% leave (c) 20% leave (d) BEAR STAMPEDE ---> Exit methinks we should be able to bounty devs and ISD :)
Simetraz State War Academy Caldari State 463	Posted - 2012.12.01 07:49:00 - [27] - Quote Andski wrote: bears demand bounty changes CCP throws out more important work to deliver bounty changes bears get upset over bounty changes No I seriously doubt a carebear even thought about the old system. For that matter I wouldn't be surprised if most didn't even know about the old system. Why would a carebear even care about a bounty system ? It should prove to be interesting how this whole thing settles out though. As it has opened up a whole new area of metagaming for those who have the ISK. EVERYBODY KNOWS
Alara IonStorm 3619	Posted - 2012.12.01 07:51:00 - [28] - Quote Complaint Dept wrote: Alara IonStorm wrote: Complaint Dept wrote: All you have to do is put a bounty on every freighter pilot. At current cost of a freighter at $1.5 bil. and with 20% loss value that alone is 300 mil. NOT including loss of cargo or cargo dropped. That could easily become a 500 mil + bounty for a rock bottom price of 100k. fee. It will be a pirate field day!! What in the heck is CCP thinking!! I enjoy the industrial challenges of the game. And wish not to get involved in PVP. But once again the industrialist get the short end of the stick!! And I'm sure CSM had a lot to do with this. Thanks for making this game less enjoyable!! You can do that now. Just Hire a Gank Team to hit X Freighter. They already exist, approach them for it. This changes nothing. But all they would get is the loot. Now they don't even need that to make isk! No. Now they would get 300million. That is why it is called hiring. To put a Bounty on a Freighter you have to part with 300million of your own ISK and get nothing back. You can pay that ISK to a Gank Team now through a Third Party to Destroy a Freighter. If you do it yourself by directly hiring a team or through Bounty System the result is exactly the same thing.
Complaint Dept Republic University Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2012.12.01 07:53:00 - [29] - Quote And Orcas are on the menu as well. Think about putting a bounty on an Orca pilot and then gank'em. This is just Hulkageddon with a CCP pay out instead of a Goon payout! ********!!
Alara IonStorm 3619	Posted - 2012.12.01 07:55:00 - [30] - Quote Complaint Dept wrote: This is just Hulkageddon with a CCP pay out instead of a Goon payout! CCP isn't paying it a player is and they can do that now, nothing is changing.
DarthNefarius Minmatar Heavy Industries 453	Posted - 2012.12.01 08:05:00 - [31] - Quote Merovee wrote: "You can now place a bounty on any player character in New Eden, except Dev and ISD characters." (a) 5% leave (b) 10% leave (c) 20% leave (d) BEAR STAMPEDE ---> Exit TBH I think DEVs should rethink the DEV bounty exception 1) it would make a nice irrelavent ISK SINK forthe following reasons: 3) DEV KM'sare prized anywayz Iwould kill 1 just for the street creds 4) The bountyis 20% of what? the DEV implants are 0 anywayz 5) it lets peeps take out frustration in a silly way that is irrelevant inthe grad theme of it all let us havefun CCP The ISD restriction I agree with since they are voulunteers "Having a bad day? It takes 42 muscles to frown, but only 4 to pullthe trigger of a decent sniper rifle." - Dr. John D. Taylor
DarthNefarius Minmatar Heavy Industries 453	Posted - 2012.12.01 08:09:00 - [32] - Quote Honestly IMHO any true PvPers would be stupid to not put a bounty on themselves on DEC 4th so they get more action "Having a bad day? It takes 42 muscles to frown, but only 4 to pullthe trigger of a decent sniper rifle." - Dr. John D. Taylor
Cannibal Kane Praetorian Cannibals 743	Posted - 2012.12.01 08:23:00 - [33] - Quote You people do know that placing a bounty on somebody does not mean Automatic Kill-Rights right? Right? I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist. The Crazy Space Poor South African. *Hair done by LGÇÖOr+¬al, because I'm worth it.
Webvan State War Academy Caldari State 169	Posted - 2012.12.01 08:32:00 - [34] - Quote I wonder how this will play out for FW. Scout a target, bounty the defenders, step over them 10 minutes later after they finished each other off. A small price to pay for annexing the universe. The best laid schemes of mice and men Go often awry, And leave us nothing but grief and pain, For promised joy!
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet 3046	Posted - 2012.12.01 08:32:00 - [35] - Quote DarthNefarius wrote: Merovee wrote: "You can now place a bounty on any player character in New Eden, except Dev and ISD characters." (a) 5% leave (b) 10% leave (c) 20% leave (d) BEAR STAMPEDE ---> Exit TBH I think DEVs should rethink the DEV bounty exception 1) it would make a nice irrelavent ISK SINK forthe following reasons: 3) DEV KM'sare prized anywayz Iwould kill 1 just for the street creds 4) The bountyis 20% of what? the DEV implants are 0 anywayz 5) it lets peeps take out frustration in a silly way that is irrelevant inthe grad theme of it all let us havefun CCP The ISD restriction I agree with since they are voulunteers 1) Irrelevant is right. 2) Yes, so there is no need to add bounties to them. 3) K. 4) Irrelevant is right again. Notice how you didn't give any actual reason to do it, while ignoring the CCP provided good reasons not to do it. I'm sure CCP could work around the problems, but why build in more exceptions in the code for no real benefit, when they're trying hard to remove such things from the old code. Quote: You people do know that placing a bounty on somebody does not mean Automatic Kill-Rights right? Right? Perhaps more importantly do they know, that paying the minimum amount of ISK to put up the bounty doesn't mean, that the killer automaticly gets paid 20% of the value of the kill.
Myfanwy Heimdal Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc 174	Posted - 2012.12.01 08:40:00 - [36] - Quote Complaint Dept wrote: And Orcas are on the menu as well. Think about putting a bounty on an Orca pilot and then gank'em. This is just Hulkageddon with a CCP pay out instead of a Goon payout! ********!! All that this is is that CCP are making a player innovation more formalised. This is no different to what is happening now, if you weren't victim to a sponsored gank squad before then it's less than likely that you will be in the future. Remember, this is Eve. You undock; you're now a target for someone.
Remiel Pollard Devlin Security Devlin Alliance 174	Posted - 2012.12.01 08:46:00 - [37] - Quote Merovee wrote: "You can now place a bounty on any player character in New Eden, except Dev and ISD characters." (a) 5% leave (b) 10% leave (c) 20% leave (d) BEAR STAMPEDE ---> Exit How long is it going to take people to realise that bounties =/= kill rights. This poll also assumes that it's impossible that 0% will leave, or that there won't be a positive outcome for the entire game in general. Not sure if you're looking for some actual results to a real query or just trying to enforce your own opinion. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
Scatim Helicon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1068	Posted - 2012.12.01 08:46:00 - [38] - Quote Are CCP Devs allowed to put bounties on other CCP Devs? Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge **.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006 ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever.
Nerath Naaris Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy 201	Posted - 2012.12.01 08:47:00 - [39] - Quote Destination SkillQueue wrote: DarthNefarius wrote: Merovee wrote: "You can now place a bounty on any player character in New Eden, except Dev and ISD characters." (a) 5% leave (b) 10% leave (c) 20% leave (d) BEAR STAMPEDE ---> Exit TBH I think DEVs should rethink the DEV bounty exception 1) it would make a nice irrelavent ISK SINK forthe following reasons: 3) DEV KM'sare prized anywayz Iwould kill 1 just for the street creds 4) The bountyis 20% of what? the DEV implants are 0 anywayz 5) it lets peeps take out frustration in a silly way that is irrelevant inthe grad theme of it all let us havefun CCP The ISD restriction I agree with since they are voulunteers 1) Irrelevant is right. 2) Yes, so there is no need to add bounties to them. 3) K. 4) Irrelevant is right again. Notice how you didn't give any actual reason to do it, while ignoring the CCP provided good reasons not to do it. I'm sure CCP could work around the problems, but why build in more exceptions in the code for no real benefit, when they're trying hard to remove such things from the old code. This being Eve, placing bounties on Devs could probably be seen as a sign of affection towards certain Devs, kind of like the Eve version of the social inept 10 year old school bully that throws rocks at the girls he secretly likes. Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20.
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1244	Posted - 2012.12.01 08:54:00 - [40] - Quote Merovee wrote: "You can now place a bounty on any player character in New Eden, except Dev and ISD characters." (a) 5% leave (b) 10% leave (c) 20% leave (d) BEAR STAMPEDE ---> Exit The only injustice here is the underlined part. Stinks heavily of bias. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto
Lance Rossiter CHAINS Corp 24	Posted - 2012.12.01 08:54:00 - [41] - Quote It's not insignificant that this change will universalise incentivised ganking operations. Getting the entire community informed of your plan and united in motive against a target is a much more serious matter than getting a small group of your pals and whoever else you manage to inform on board: it's a huge logistical gain. But someone does still have to pay, and they could already have used the ISK to achieve the same result prior to this change, so it is "just" a matter of scope, even if the change in scope is huge.
Ritsum Perkone Caldari State 34	Posted - 2012.12.01 10:11:00 - [42] - Quote e) People don't complain and enjoy the game with the new Bounty / Kill rights system. Hell even as someone who has limited Ship PvP experience [growing still] I am looking forward to this... I will fit some T1 frigates or the new destroyers and try and find some guys to fly with that are buying kill rights and using them to gank. I am a proud High Sec Pve player. Got a problem?
SmilingVagrant GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 982	Posted - 2012.12.01 10:13:00 - [43] - Quote Ritsum wrote: e) People don't complain and enjoy the game with the new Bounty / Kill rights system. Hell even as someone who has limited Ship PvP experience [growing still] I am looking forward to this... I will fit some T1 frigates or the new destroyers and try and find some guys to fly with that are buying kill rights and using them to gank. I like this guy, he has moxy.
Alara IonStorm 3623	Posted - 2012.12.01 10:14:00 - [44] - Quote SmilingVagrant wrote: Ritsum wrote: e) People don't complain and enjoy the game with the new Bounty / Kill rights system. Hell even as someone who has limited Ship PvP experience [growing still] I am looking forward to this... I will fit some T1 frigates or the new destroyers and try and find some guys to fly with that are buying kill rights and using them to gank. I like this guy, he has moxy. That kind of Moxie will get him killed... Wait we're undying clones, never mind.
SmilingVagrant GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 982	Posted - 2012.12.01 10:15:00 - [45] - Quote Alara IonStorm wrote: That kind of Moxie will get him killed... Wait we're undying clones, never mind. My ship is a bullet, expendable in the war against my enemies. My will is the gun.
Alara IonStorm 3623	Posted - 2012.12.01 10:18:00 - [46] - Quote SmilingVagrant wrote: My ship is a bullet, expendable in the war against my enemies. My will is the gun. A freighter is the person who's head it is up against and Concord is the backfire.
SmilingVagrant GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 983	Posted - 2012.12.01 10:28:00 - [47] - Quote Alara IonStorm wrote: SmilingVagrant wrote: My ship is a bullet, expendable in the war against my enemies. My will is the gun. A freighter is the person who's head it is up against and Concord is the backfire. Good use of my quote, but I'm one of those goons who actually gets nervous in highsec because there are too many neutrals and I'm constantly having to fight back my natural tendencies to randomly open fire on the people idling on the gate.
Doddy Excidium. Executive Outcomes 375	Posted - 2012.12.01 10:51:00 - [48] - Quote Complaint Dept wrote: Agree! Maybe a deal breaker! CCP is becoming Pirate friendly!! "You can now place a bounty on any player character in New Eden, except Dev and ISD characters." "The minimum bounty amounts are: Players (100,000 ISK), Corporations (20,000,000 ISK), Alliances (100,000,000 ISK)" "Bounty payout is now based on damage inflicted on the target. The payout is 20% of the loss value." Bounties should be for criminals, outlaws, and players with low morale character (low standings)! NOT for the general player who wishes not to be involved in PVP. All you have to do is put a bounty on every freighter pilot. At current cost of a freighter at $1.5 bil. and with 20% loss value that alone is 300 mil. NOT including loss of cargo or cargo dropped. That could easily become a 500 mil + bounty for a rock bottom price of 100k. fee. It will be a pirate field day!! What in the heck is CCP thinking!! I enjoy the industrial challenges of the game. And wish not to get involved in PVP. But once again the industrialist get the short end of the stick!! And I'm sure CSM had a lot to do with this. Thanks for making this game less enjoyable!! You know anyone doing that would still lose isk right? Its alot of hassle to go for to lose isk. To pay out 500 mil bounty someone needs to have put 500 mil bounty on that pilot. No isk can be payed out that is not in escrow for bounty, isk is not made out of thin air. So the person setting the bounty loses 500 mil, the gankers get 500 mil more back than they would hve for ganking as normal (so they can pick a less valuable target for sure). Basically it would be a method for an individua
Valleria Darkmoon No Salvation 35	Posted - 2012.12.01 11:09:00 - [49] - Quote Complaint Dept wrote: Agree! Maybe a deal breaker! CCP is becoming Pirate friendly!! "You can now place a bounty on any player character in New Eden, except Dev and ISD characters." "The minimum bounty amounts are: Players (100,000 ISK), Corporations (20,000,000 ISK), Alliances (100,000,000 ISK)" "Bounty payout is now based on damage inflicted on the target. The payout is 20% of the loss value." Bounties should be for criminals, outlaws, and players with low morale character (low standings)! NOT for the general player who wishes not to be involved in PVP. All you have to do is put a bounty on every freighter pilot. At current cost of a freighter at $1.5 bil. and with 20% loss value that alone is 300 mil. NOT including loss of cargo or cargo dropped. That could easily become a 500 mil + bounty for a rock bottom price of 100k. fee. It will be a pirate field day!! What in the heck is CCP thinking!! I enjoy the industrial challenges of the game. And wish not to get involved in PVP. But once again the industrialist get the short end of the stick!! And I'm sure CSM had a lot to do with this. Thanks for making this game less enjoyable!! Someone has to actually put up the money on you. The bounty isn't just on 20% of the value of every kill everyone gets from now until the end of time. Your cargo was generally not only enough to go for the gank but also the driving factor, an extra payout (assuming someone supplies it) is just gravy at best. Bounties do not give kill rights either so the gank is still of the suicide nature and therefore you STILL have to be flying something worth killing since your killer is guaranteed to die. All I have to say is try it for a few weeks I suspect you overestimate your impact on the rest of us playing, or do you suspect someone cares enough about what you do day to day to bother putting up good ISK to get someone else to kill you. If you get ganked in a freighter it will be because you are flying a freighter with a lot of goodies in it. As it stands right now I think the only reason you'll get a bounty is because you cried about it here if you get one at all. If you'd like to put a bounty on me you can always add it to the pile. Incidentally security status tells you nothing about how trustworthy a person is. I may be violent and aggressive but I do honor any offers I do make. I soloed a Wolf in a T1 frigate a while ago and the pilot convoed me to ask for a ransom on his ship. I told him battleclinic points can not be bought so it'd have to really be worth my while to let him go. I told him we could do a deal on the pod which is why if you were to look up the kill you'll find I didn't have his pod as a related kill, 20 mil was all it took to turn off my point. I could have said sure taken his money then killed him anyway and kept the ransom like that 5.0 null sec player would have done.
Skydell Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums 349	Posted - 2012.12.01 13:56:00 - [50] - Quote SmilingVagrant wrote: Alara IonStorm wrote: SmilingVagrant wrote: My ship is a bullet, expendable in the war against my enemies. My will is the gun. A freighter is the person who's head it is up against and Concord is the backfire. Good use of my quote, but I'm one of those goons who actually gets nervous in highsec because there are too many neutrals and I'm constantly having to fight back my natural tendencies to randomly open fire on the people idling on the gate. Because you know the tank is a lie and any half dozen of them could evaporate all your shinies in 6 seconds?
The Protato Protus Correction Facility Inc. 90	Posted - 2012.12.01 14:04:00 - [51] - Quote Webvan wrote: The best laid schemes of mice and men Go often awry, Rabbie Burns wrote: The best-laid plans o' mice and men gang aft agley FTFY. Lern2Scotland.
James Amril-Kesh RAZOR Alliance 1371	Posted - 2012.12.01 14:07:00 - [52] - Quote e) <1% leave -áObjects in mirror are redder than they appear.
Arduemont Rotten Legion Ops 806	Posted - 2012.12.01 14:17:00 - [53] - Quote I see a lot of people whining that all someone has to do is put bounties on all Exhumer pilots or freighter pilots, or (insert high-sec ship of choice here) and it becomes profitable to gank them. It's not.... Someone has to cough up the bounty ISK in the first place, and that person isn't likely to get that ISK back. Even if they did get it back, they wouldn't have earned anything, they would have just go their money back. So where are all these mysterious super rich griefers, who want to throw away ISK for lols, going to come from, eh? This will probably happen on a very small scale at some point, but it will probably be a much smaller problem than you envisage. You could already do this to afk pilots in highsec anyway. Place bounty, suicide gank, suicide gank pod in quick succession, and the results would be the same as what everyone is whining about now. In fact, its more effective now than it will be. This problem your imagining is actually worse at the moment, than it will be after the patch. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice."
Bagrat Skalski Poseidaon 68	Posted - 2012.12.01 15:03:00 - [54] - Quote It will not be bad, I can assure you. In hi sec freighters worth ganking... well, they were ganked anyways. People worth ganking were ganked anyways either, so i don't understand what will it change, beside fact, that someone will lose money, and someone will take part of them as bounty payoff. Inside mining barge, true story
Borascus Red Core Paradigm Shift Alliance 127	Posted - 2012.12.01 15:09:00 - [55] - Quote (e) bountied players commit less criminal acts / don't care in hi-sec = win E
Gillia Winddancer Shiny Noble Crown Services 134	Posted - 2012.12.01 15:14:00 - [56] - Quote You'd have to be pretty damn rich, bored and probably somewhat stupid if you were to end up placing attractive bounties on random people for no reason whatsoever.
baltec1 Bat Country 2998	Posted - 2012.12.01 15:15:00 - [57] - Quote And so it starts. We have had months of bears chestbeating this victory, claiming to be soaking up the none existent tears of the gankers. But now they realise that not only will this not stop us but we are getting all new ways to have our fun. Winter is coming.
Ammzi Infinite Covenant Tribal Band 1069	Posted - 2012.12.01 15:18:00 - [58] - Quote Complaint Dept wrote: What in the heck is CCP thinking!! I enjoy the industrial challenges of the game. And wish not to get involved in PVP. But once again the industrialist get the short end of the stick!! And I'm sure CSM had a lot to do with this. Thanks for making this game less enjoyable!! Oh joy, oh joy. Your tears are full of of sugar. Bounties on all the industrialists! quote CCP Spitfire "Hello Im Blue,"
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. 1194	Posted - 2012.12.01 15:31:00 - [59] - Quote Complaint Dept wrote: Agree! Maybe a deal breaker! CCP is becoming Pirate friendly!! "You can now place a bounty on any player character in New Eden, except Dev and ISD characters." "The minimum bounty amounts are: Players (100,000 ISK), Corporations (20,000,000 ISK), Alliances (100,000,000 ISK)" "Bounty payout is now based on damage inflicted on the target. The payout is 20% of the loss value." Bounties should be for criminals, outlaws, and players with low morale character (low standings)! NOT for the general player who wishes not to be involved in PVP. All you have to do is put a bounty on every freighter pilot. At current cost of a freighter at $1.5 bil. and with 20% loss value that alone is 300 mil. NOT including loss of cargo or cargo dropped. That could easily become a 500 mil + bounty for a rock bottom price of 100k. fee. It will be a pirate field day!! What in the heck is CCP thinking!! I enjoy the industrial challenges of the game. And wish not to get involved in PVP. But once again the industrialist get the short end of the stick!! And I'm sure CSM had a lot to do with this. Thanks for making this game less enjoyable!! Er, one issue with your analysis. The payout is 20% of the value lost, or the remaining bounty, whichever is lower. If I place a 100K bounty on a freighter, the person killing the freighter only gets 100K. The reason the bounty system is available for everyone and place-able on anyone is alliances are already paying out bounties on various ship kills. They just have to do it manually. Now the game will handle it for them. Freighter pilots: If 2 of you fly together and form a fleet, and the commander has the proper fleet skills, you will both have about 20% more tank. This increases the cost to gank you and offsets the bounty. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1819	Posted - 2012.12.01 16:19:00 - [60] - Quote Ammzi wrote: Complaint Dept wrote: What in the heck is CCP thinking!! I enjoy the industrial challenges of the game. And wish not to get involved in PVP. But once again the industrialist get the short end of the stick!! And I'm sure CSM had a lot to do with this. Thanks for making this game less enjoyable!! Oh joy, oh joy. Your tears are full of of sugar. Bounties on all the industrialists! Are you a bad enough freighter to take 20 billion of stuff through a ganker camp on the Perimeter gate? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
foxnod StarFleet Enterprises Red Alliance 48	Posted - 2012.12.01 16:29:00 - [61] - Quote The kind of person that'll quit because of a bounty on their head, is the type of person who shouldn't be playing EVE anyway.
Tarvos Telesto Blood Fanatics 95	Posted - 2012.12.01 16:39:00 - [62] - Quote Everyone become most wanted ;) EvE is full of bad people haha ;D love it. EvE isn't game, its style of living.
Xen Solarus Inner 5phere 190	Posted - 2012.12.02 01:57:00 - [63] - Quote So if no-one has got killrights against you, does that mean it doesn't matter how much bounty someone slaps on you? Say some hypothetical friendly industrialist that doesn't PvP, hardly even undocks he's so keen on building mining ships and what-not, gets a massive 1billion put on his head. Am i right in thinking that this doesn't make absolutely everyone able to shoot the crap outta him trying to get that isk? Obviously low and null, he's fair game! But lets assume he's a hardcore carebear that is TERRIFIED of such areas! Though he'd have to be flying something pretty damn expensive for people to be able to get access to a small portion of that fortune.
GreenSeed 90	Posted - 2012.12.02 02:18:00 - [64] - Quote ITT, we all pledge to put bounty on OP.
Lady Katherine Devonshire Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps 80	Posted - 2012.12.02 03:08:00 - [65] - Quote Xen Solarus wrote: Though he'd have to be flying something pretty damn expensive for people to be able to get access to a small portion of that fortune. I believe the word that you are looking for is "Mackinaw." Doddy wrote: You know anyone doing that would still lose isk right? Its alot of hassle to go for to lose isk. To pay out 500 mil bounty someone needs to have put 500 mil bounty on that pilot. No isk can be payed out that is not in escrow for bounty, isk is not made out of thin air. So the person setting the bounty loses 500 mil, the gankers get 500 mil more back than they would hve for ganking as normal (so they can pick a less valuable target for sure). I believe the word that you are looking for is "Goonswarm." EvE Forum Bingo
Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia 46	Posted - 2012.12.02 03:11:00 - [66] - Quote SmilingVagrant wrote: Alara IonStorm wrote: SmilingVagrant wrote: My ship is a bullet, expendable in the war against my enemies. My will is the gun. A freighter is the person who's head it is up against and Concord is the backfire. Good use of my quote, but I'm one of those goons who actually gets nervous in highsec because there are too many neutrals and I'm constantly having to fight back my natural tendencies to randomly open fire on the people idling on the gate. Ah! That explains finally why CCP is implementing this safe mode thing. All because of Goons .
LHA Tarawa Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 83	Posted - 2012.12.02 03:25:00 - [67] - Quote Actual result will be everyine flying cheap ships. Bye bye hulk, and hello retriever.l
Karrl Tian Yarrbusters 45	Posted - 2012.12.02 05:09:00 - [68] - Quote You could always put a bounty on any character: 1) Dial up mercs/pirates 2) Agree to pay X amount of isk if they kill so-and-so for you. Hell, it was the tagline for C&P.
admiral root Red Galaxy Persona Non Gratis 207	Posted - 2012.12.02 05:14:00 - [69] - Quote Complaint Dept wrote: I enjoy the industrial challenges of the game. And wish not to get involved in PVP. Not sure if troll, or just playing the wrong game. In case you're serious, Eve is a PvP game and it's not optional, even for industrialits (who compete against other industrialists). If you don't want to PvP there are many single-player games that will keep you entertained without mean people interfering. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Frostys Virpio Caldari Provisions Caldari State 91	Posted - 2012.12.02 05:51:00 - [70] - Quote baltec1 wrote: And so it starts. We have had months of bears chestbeating this victory, claiming to be soaking up the none existent tears of the gankers. But now they realise that not only will this not stop us but we are getting all new ways to have our fun. Winter is coming. I look foward to the upcoming torrent of tears.
Xen Solarus Inner 5phere 190	Posted - 2012.12.02 06:01:00 - [71] - Quote admiral root wrote: Complaint Dept wrote: I enjoy the industrial challenges of the game. And wish not to get involved in PVP. Not sure if troll, or just playing the wrong game. In case you're serious, Eve is a PvP game and it's not optional, even for industrialits (who compete against other industrialists). If you don't want to PvP there are many single-player games that will keep you entertained without mean people interfering. As someone that does enjoy some PvP from time to time, i completely disagree! I think one of the things that makes EvE such a great game is the fact that it caters to people that enjoy both its PvP and PvE aspects. Thinking about EvE as simply "PvP only" lessens its greatness. As i'm sure many highsec carebears and others can attest, there are many players that play and enjoy EvE for everything that it has to offer that have absolutely nothing to do with PvP. Sure, people can gank people in highsec, effectively forcing this opinion onto those that don't share it, but it doesn't change the fact that they play EvE for non-PvP reasons. I wouldn't even call this PvP personally, being that its cowardly and completely one sided. The only way EvE can be truely "PvP only" is with the complete removal of highsec. Now THAT would be interesting! And with the upcoming changes, i look forward to gankers losing their easy-mode. I'd say go to low and null where PvP is supposed to happen, but we all know that they can't handle those pesky targets actually shooting back! Much easier with high-sec easy-mode on! And yes, you can at this point start going on about everything that people do ends up being PvP at some point. But thats just a reference to EvEs player driven economy. PvP players keep the isk flowing via explosions, but it doesn't change those that play EvE for non-PvP reasons. They'll always be there in high, happy as can be building stuff, moving and selling stuff, and spanking those NPCs over and over.
Zack Korth The Deneveh Collective High Rollers 11	Posted - 2012.12.02 06:02:00 - [72] - Quote Gillia Winddancer wrote: You'd have to be pretty damn rich, bored and probably somewhat stupid if you were to end up placing attractive bounties on random people for no reason whatsoever. have you heard of goonswarm?
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 1899	Posted - 2012.12.02 06:39:00 - [73] - Quote My predictions (The Great Karnak speaks): Things won't work out the way anybody expects it to, and it's a 50 50 chance that it's going to be gankers or "bears" crying oceans of tears in these forums depending on how things truly turn out in practice. Goons will use their tech moon cash flow to do a Goonageddon style campaign where they put bounties in their usual gank targets en-masse. Trolls will post false accounts of how it has ruined their bearing or their ganking and how they are going to un-sub their 100 accounts and CCP will all get laid off and have to resort to prostitution to pay their bills. A few people will feel screwed because they wake up every day feeling that way and looking for a reason but the rest of the game will chug on as usual.
KIller Wabbit The Scope Gallente Federation 103	Posted - 2012.12.02 07:18:00 - [74] - Quote Joelleaveek wrote: Bounty =/= kill right /thread People keep quoting that. Bounties will significantly lower the threshold to piracy. We'll see how you feel about it in a month. PS. Reeallly nice of CCP to disallow bounties on Dev's and ISD. Seriously?? About as disappointed as I can get - total failure to practice what you preach as it were. I can't fathom the reasoning behind this - so would a DEV or ISD like to throw down why their pilot gets an exception?
KIller Wabbit The Scope Gallente Federation 103	Posted - 2012.12.02 07:24:00 - [75] - Quote foxnod wrote: The kind of person that'll quit because of a bounty on their head, is the type of person who shouldn't be playing EVE anyway. But they do exist and their are part of CCP's cash flow. We'll get to see if CCP shot the goose or one of the goslings.
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet 3056	Posted - 2012.12.02 08:05:00 - [76] - Quote KIller Wabbit wrote: Joelleaveek wrote: Bounty =/= kill right /thread People keep quoting that. Bounties will significantly lower the threshold to piracy. We'll see how you feel about it in a month. How exactly? Significant change would mean someone is putting up huge bounties on random people for no reason. Are you going to invest hundreds of millions or billions of your money on bounties on people you don't even know? The bounty system can lower that threshold in a meaningful way for some specific targets, but no one has the wealth or any reason to put such a large bounty on everyone. KIller Wabbit wrote: PS. Reeallly nice of CCP to disallow bounties on Dev's and ISD. Seriously?? About as disappointed as I can get - total failure to practice what you preach as it were. I can't fathom the reasoning behind this - so would a DEV or ISD like to throw down why their pilot gets an exception? Because the system is meant to be actually useful, instead of being filled with targets people can't actually go around hunting. Keep in mind, that higher bounties also pay higher percentage on kills and get adverticed in the EVE universe, so you don't want a system in place, where those valuable roleplay and payout slots are taken by out of game dev characters, that almost never play.
KIller Wabbit The Scope Gallente Federation 103	Posted - 2012.12.02 08:19:00 - [77] - Quote Destination SkillQueue wrote: Because the system is meant to be actually useful, instead of being filled with targets people can't actually go around hunting. Keep in mind, that higher bounties also pay higher percentage on kills and get adverticed in the EVE universe, so you don't want a system in place, where those valuable roleplay and payout slots are taken by out of game dev characters, that almost never play. Emphasis mine. Well I certainly believe the never play part. That does enlighten me, so thanks for that. But I don't think every Dev is going to end up at the top of the list. Maybe a couple of ISD may get some special attention. They should have let it roll as is, then if it was a real problem, they could have a separate list for "special" pilots - leaving the pilots who actually do play on the original screen. If nothing else - this will be growing an isk sink, so you would think marketing and accounting would be all for it.
Valleria Darkmoon No Salvation 35	Posted - 2012.12.02 11:49:00 - [78] - Quote I think just for fun I'm going to put up 30,000 ISK bounties on everyone who called it a game breaker or in some other way let me know that having a bounty would bother them. Just to see if they quit. A bounty like that is paltry and wouldn't even be good enough incentive to suicide in a T1 fit Thrasher. I'm curious to see if their fear really can be THAT bad, I want to see if I can smell it from home. The thing I'm most sad about with this new system is how likely it is my bounty will actually get paid out, since I no longer have to lose my pod. I wanted to see how high I could push it and that's going to be a lot harder now, nevermind that too many people knew that putting enough bounty on me before might as well have meant that you should just pay me directly and save yourself some time in the bounty office. EDIT: I'm still not too proud to accept donations if my behavior made you angry.
Qvar Dar'Zanar EVE University Ivy League 102	Posted - 2012.12.02 12:11:00 - [79] - Quote Complaint Dept wrote: And Orcas are on the menu as well. Think about putting a bounty on an Orca pilot and then gank'em. This is just Hulkageddon with a CCP pay out instead of a Goon payout! ******!! Sure I will put 500M bounties on orca pilots, then gank them and get my own 500M** back (assuming that 500M is equal or less to 20% of the value of the kill...). WOHOOOOOOOOO gamebreaking!! I'm spacerich now!
Ptraci 3 R Corporation The Irukandji 734	Posted - 2012.12.02 12:19:00 - [80] - Quote So what's stopping care-bears from collecting the bounties with their alts? Please go ahead and place bounties at random. What's that you say? I only get 20% of any bounty placed on me? If 20% > clone cost, we have a deal.
Qvar Dar'Zanar EVE University Ivy League 102	Posted - 2012.12.02 12:30:00 - [81] - Quote Ptraci wrote: So what's stopping care-bears from collecting the bounties with their alts? Please go ahead and place bounties at random. What's that you say? I only get 20% of any bounty placed on me? If 20% > clone cost, we have a deal. Please could you all read the details of the changes...? You dont lose ship/implants = No bounty awarded. There are TWO 20% limits. 1. The maximum amount over the total of the bounty you can get with a single kill is 20% of the total bounty. 2. The maximum amount over the total bounty is 20% of the value of the loss. 3. Select the lower amount option.
Oregin Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact 52	Posted - 2012.12.02 13:25:00 - [82] - Quote OP what is there to be so damn scared about having a bounty? Do you genuinely think that an extra couple of mil on somebody's head would affect who gets ganked or not? Why is it that every time CCP makes a change to the game, flocks of people come running to the forums believing that these changes will kill EVE without knowing anything about the game or having thought about it for just a second?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 10477	Posted - 2012.12.02 13:34:00 - [83] - Quote Ptraci wrote: So what's stopping care-bears from collecting the bounties with their alts? The fact that you lose money by doing so. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
Opertone Aurora Empire Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels 194	Posted - 2012.12.02 13:38:00 - [84] - Quote DEAR CCP, how about one low slot for freighters? like 1 Damage control - no tears no more
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 10477	Posted - 2012.12.02 13:40:00 - [85] - Quote Opertone wrote: DEAR CCP, how about one low slot for freighters? I don't want my freighters nerfed, thankyouverymuch. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 5306	Posted - 2012.12.02 14:36:00 - [86] - Quote Opertone wrote: DEAR CCP, how about one low slot for freighters? like 1 Damage control - no tears no more Sure, as long as they lose 20% of their cargo space. MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button."
Complaint Dept Republic University Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2012.12.05 04:30:00 - [87] - Quote As I stated earlier!! Not even 24 hours after the patch my freighter pilot made two trips to Jita and he has a bounty on him already! Never happened before, now because of the cost of a freighter a bounty is put on him. Not to mention the cargo loss if that happens. WAY TO GO CCP your working for PIRATES now? What is your goal here? CCP's forum of Hulkageddon? Stop listen is the CSM PVPers. Not all of us play the game for PVP and wish High sec would stay just that HIGH SEC NOT L Total crap!! Bounties should be for outlaws with low sec status NOT for the general population that have good status.
Zack Korth The Deneveh Collective High Rollers 16	Posted - 2012.12.05 04:32:00 - [88] - Quote Complaint Dept wrote: As I stated earlier!! Not even 24 hours after the patch my freighter pilot made two trips to Jita and he has a bounty on him already! Never happened before, now because of the cost of a freighter a bounty is put on him. Not to mention the cargo loss if that happens. WAY TO GO CCP your working for PIRATES now? What is your goal here? CCP's forum of Hulkageddon? Stop listen is the CSM PVPers. Not all of us play the game for PVP and wish High sec would stay just that HIGH SEC NOT L Total crap!! Bounties should be for outlaws with low sec status NOT for the general population that have good status. everyone wants your loots, get over it
Joelleaveek Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 137	Posted - 2012.12.05 04:35:00 - [89] - Quote Complaint Dept wrote: As I stated earlier!! Not even 24 hours after the patch my freighter pilot made two trips to Jita and he has a bounty on him already! Never happened before, now because of the cost of a freighter a bounty is put on him. Not to mention the cargo loss if that happens. WAY TO GO CCP your working for PIRATES now? What is your goal here? CCP's forum of Hulkageddon? Stop listen is the CSM PVPers. Not all of us play the game for PVP and wish High sec would stay just that HIGH SEC NOT L Total crap!! Bounties should be for outlaws with low sec status NOT for the general population that have good status. Stop crying and figure out how the system works. You probably only got a bounty because you were crying on the forums about it.
Caliph Muhammed Short Bus Friends 308	Posted - 2012.12.05 04:44:00 - [90] - Quote Merovee wrote: "You can now place a bounty on any player character in New Eden, except Dev and ISD characters." (a) 5% leave (b) 10% leave (c) 20% leave (d) BEAR STAMPEDE ---> Exit Das final solution.
Karsa Egivand Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 21	Posted - 2012.12.05 04:45:00 - [91] - Quote KIller Wabbit wrote: Destination SkillQueue wrote: Because the system is meant to be actually useful, instead of being filled with targets people can't actually go around hunting. Keep in mind, that higher bounties also pay higher percentage on kills and get adverticed in the EVE universe, so you don't want a system in place, where those valuable roleplay and payout slots are taken by out of game dev characters, that almost never play. Emphasis mine. Well I certainly believe the never play part. That does enlighten me, so thanks for that. But I don't think every Dev is going to end up at the top of the list. Maybe a couple of ISD may get some special attention. They should have let it roll as is, then if it was a real problem, they could have a separate list for "special" pilots - leaving the pilots who actually do play on the original screen. If nothing else - this will be growing an isk sink, so you would think marketing and accounting would be all for it. Okay, I think you don't know what those Dev Characters are actually about. "CCP ..." characters (blue on the forum) are mostly used right here on the forums, not to log onto the server and play the game. If they do (rarely) they only do stuff in their own completely unreachable region of New Eden (except for events, when they sometimes come out in a fleet). That does NOT mean CCP devs don't properly play the game! But they don't use their official "CCP ..." toons to do so. They are among us silently/anonymously, flying alongside you, without you knowing (mind you, some do, some don't). Which is good, because this is a player driven universe. And having the developers intact with the world as players publically would just be... shite. If you were to place bounties on "CCP ..." toons, all you would do is throw ISK into a sink without purpose (unless they come out in an event, but thats not what this system is for). So they disabled it, which makes all the sense in the world. You can place bounties on the anonymous dev alts though, you just won't know that it was a developer, you'll just think it was an ordinary player you placed your bounty on (unlikely to be you, but somebody will probably put bounties on some of those dev alts),
Frostys Virpio Caldari Provisions Caldari State 102	Posted - 2012.12.05 04:46:00 - [92] - Quote Complaint Dept wrote: As I stated earlier!! Not even 24 hours after the patch my freighter pilot made two trips to Jita and he has a bounty on him already! Never happened before, now because of the cost of a freighter a bounty is put on him. Not to mention the cargo loss if that happens. WAY TO GO CCP your working for PIRATES now? What is your goal here? CCP's forum of Hulkageddon? Stop listen is the CSM PVPers. Not all of us play the game for PVP and wish High sec would stay just that HIGH SEC NOT L Total crap!! Bounties should be for outlaws with low sec status NOT for the general population that have good status. BRB. Putting some of my isk on your head.
Karsa Egivand Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 21	Posted - 2012.12.05 04:58:00 - [93] - Quote Complaint Dept wrote: As I stated earlier!! Not even 24 hours after the patch my freighter pilot made two trips to Jita and he has a bounty on him already! Never happened before, now because of the cost of a freighter a bounty is put on him. Not to mention the cargo loss if that happens. WAY TO GO CCP your working for PIRATES now? What is your goal here? CCP's forum of Hulkageddon? Stop listen is the CSM PVPers. Not all of us play the game for PVP and wish High sec would stay just that HIGH SEC NOT L Total crap!! Bounties should be for outlaws with low sec status NOT for the general population that have good status. They most likely put the bounty on your head because of this thread, not because of in-game activity. But still, your complaints hardly make sense. Let's say a ganker wants to gank your freighter. Right now (until now, to be exact) he'll have to put up several hundred millions worth of ISK in form of suicide tornados to gank you. It is only worth it if your cargo is a billion ISK or more. (roughly) In the future (from now on...), he could put bounties on your head... WHICH HE HAS TO PAY UP FRONT, that he get's partially back when he ganks you.... He might get it fully back if the bounty sum amounts to only 20% of the killmail (then it'll be completely paid out) That (stupid) ganker DOES NOT MAKE MORE MONEY. Actually, if sbd else does the killing, whoever put up the money won't get it back (which is the sensible way of using the mechanic in the first place). The bounty system does not generate ISK for anybody out of thin air. It is not a one-way profit making scheme for anybody. Now, somebody who dislikes you very much can exchange HIS ISK for an increased chance to see you killed (by somebody else, who pockets the extra money). Now, as only 20% of the hull worth (!) - read again HULL worth - is paid out, it makes ganks on your person only a certain amount more profitable. (roughly 300M more payout) For a high-sec freighter pilot this is only relevant insofar: You have enemies that are willing to part with their ISK to see you suffer. (NOT the ganker who is going for profit) You operate very close to the 1B isk margin of gank-profitability In that case, you are more profitable to gank and will probably have to reduce the worth of goods you carry by around 250-300M ISK to remain safe. /case closed
Karsa Egivand Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 21	Posted - 2012.12.05 05:05:00 - [94] - Quote One thing that should aways be clarified: Bounties do not generate kill rights. Concord will still avenge you, which means we are only talking about gank-probability calculations. Those depend upon ship class (and fitting). As shown above, for freighters a useful bounty sum is 250M or 300M ISK, but it doesn't really cripple a freighter pilot's ability to operate safely - it does effect him noticably, though. --> Which seems well balanced, therefor. You made someone mad, he can inconvenience you (and has to part with his money to do so). It's not broken, it actuall works. Hurray!
Agent Akari Just Popped Out For Milk Corcoran State 65	Posted - 2012.12.05 05:17:00 - [95] - Quote You can remove the bounty on your head by paying the same amount of bounty fee to concord. Talk about a great isk sink. no, this wasn't implented.
Inxentas Ultramar Ultramar Independent Contracting The Paganism Alliance 145	Posted - 2012.12.05 14:32:00 - [96] - Quote If you are into industry, you supply a specific market, and effectively do market PvP against everyone else. Why would such a player be exempt of any danger? Or why would they even want to? I for one am glad they removed the negative sec status rules. The new system opens the way for small corporate conflicts in hisec, with indies not just trying to undercut each other, but also interacting with mercs to hinder or even destroy the people undercutting you. In fact, it's my guess that especially industrial players will end up embracing this system the most. Time will tell though.
Inquisitor Kitchner Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes 564	Posted - 2012.12.05 14:43:00 - [97] - Quote If you leave because someone placed a bounty on you then you aren't cut out for EVE anyway. "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 10548	Posted - 2012.12.05 14:47:00 - [98] - Quote Complaint Dept wrote: WAY TO GO CCP your working for PIRATES now? Of course. Why wouldn't they be? Quote: What is your goal here? To provide more opportunities for conflict and payback than before. Quote: Not all of us play the game for PVP and wish High sec would stay just that HIGH SEC NOT L Actually, everyone in the game engages in PvP due to how the game is set up, and this change doesn't make highsec any less highsec:y. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
Cozmik R5 Chez Stan 148	Posted - 2012.12.05 14:52:00 - [99] - Quote Complaint Dept wrote: As I stated earlier!! Not even 24 hours after the patch my freighter pilot made two trips to Jita and he has a bounty on him already! Never happened before, now because of the cost of a freighter a bounty is put on him. Not to mention the cargo loss if that happens. WAY TO GO CCP your working for PIRATES now? What is your goal here? CCP's forum of Hulkageddon? Stop listen is the CSM PVPers. Not all of us play the game for PVP and wish High sec would stay just that HIGH SEC NOT L Total crap!! Bounties should be for outlaws with low sec status NOT for the general population that have good status. Wow. The butthurt in this post just made my day! Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 1072	Posted - 2012.12.05 15:02:00 - [100] - Quote Complaint Dept wrote: What in the heck is CCP thinking!! I enjoy the industrial challenges of the game. And wish not to get involved in PVP. But once again the industrialist get the short end of the stick!! And I'm sure CSM had a lot to do with this. Thanks for making this game less enjoyable!! ^^THIS I don't need to embellish further. BUT, I did Reverse-Planted Bounties on the 3 Idiots so far. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 1072	Posted - 2012.12.05 15:04:00 - [101] - Quote Inxentas Ultramar wrote: If you are into industry, you supply a specific market, and effectively do market PvP against everyone else. Why would such a player be exempt of any danger? Or why would they even want to? I for one am glad they removed the negative sec status rules. The new system opens the way for small corporate conflicts in hisec, with indies not just trying to undercut each other, but also interacting with mercs to hinder or even destroy the people undercutting you. In fact, it's my guess that especially industrial players will end up embracing this system the most. Time will tell though. 5.0 sec Status Toons with "X BILLION ISK Bounties" for being 'bad' is absurd in this or any other universe. Stupid is as stupid does. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 1072	Posted - 2012.12.05 15:09:00 - [102] - Quote Karsa Egivand wrote: (Again, the ganker putting up the money DOESN'T gain anything, as he only gains with the gank what he lost earlier. You only have to be on the lookout for people who have a grudge against you and want... dare i say it... RETRIBUTION) Wrong. They gain the satisfaction of having their Harrassment E-Peen stroked. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde
Natsett Amuinn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 549	Posted - 2012.12.05 15:09:00 - [103] - Quote Complaint Dept wrote: Agree! Maybe a deal breaker! CCP is becoming Pirate friendly!! "You can now place a bounty on any player character in New Eden, except Dev and ISD characters." "The minimum bounty amounts are: Players (100,000 ISK), Corporations (20,000,000 ISK), Alliances (100,000,000 ISK)" "Bounty payout is now based on damage inflicted on the target. The payout is 20% of the loss value." Bounties should be for criminals, outlaws, and players with low morale character (low standings)! NOT for the general player who wishes not to be involved in PVP. All you have to do is put a bounty on every freighter pilot. At current cost of a freighter at $1.5 bil. and with 20% loss value that alone is 300 mil. NOT including loss of cargo or cargo dropped. That could easily become a 500 mil + bounty for a rock bottom price of 100k. fee. It will be a pirate field day!! What in the heck is CCP thinking!! I enjoy the industrial challenges of the game. And wish not to get involved in PVP. But once again the industrialist get the short end of the stick!! And I'm sure CSM had a lot to do with this. Thanks for making this game less enjoyable!! Where did you get the idea that PvP was optional in EVE?
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 1072	Posted - 2012.12.05 15:10:00 - [104] - Quote Oregin wrote: OP what is there to be so damn scared about having a bounty? Do you genuinely think that an extra couple of mil on somebody's head would affect who gets ganked or not? Try Billions. Or did you not think this system would be immediately abused ? RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 1072	Posted - 2012.12.05 15:13:00 - [105] - Quote Gillia Winddancer wrote: You'd have to be pretty damn rich, bored and probably somewhat stupid if you were to end up placing attractive bounties on random people for no reason whatsoever. They are, they are, they are.........and they do. This is EVE remember ? RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde
Escomboli Hammer Holding Wrong Hole. 8	Posted - 2012.12.05 15:13:00 - [106] - Quote All the bounty system does is reinforce my beliefs that Nullsec is the true care bear space to live in. You rarely have to worry about hostiles, get your ships replaced if popped, have access to the best ores/pi/rats, jump bridges, free jump freighter service. I mean, what more can you ask for?
Ginger Barbarella State War Academy Caldari State 277	Posted - 2012.12.05 15:14:00 - [107] - Quote Merovee wrote: "You can now place a bounty on any player character in New Eden, except Dev and ISD characters." (a) 5% leave (b) 10% leave (c) 20% leave (d) BEAR STAMPEDE ---> Exit or E) Most people laugh at the idiots wasting isk on high sec bounties (like those failquitters that waste ammo shooting non-destructible objects) My vote is for "E", thanks.
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 1072	Posted - 2012.12.05 15:15:00 - [108] - Quote Arduemont wrote: So where are all these mysterious super rich griefers, who want to throw away ISK for lols, going to come from, eh? How can you play EVE and still be so ignorant about what goes on in it ? RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde
Natsett Amuinn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 549	Posted - 2012.12.05 15:15:00 - [109] - Quote Escomboli wrote: All the bounty system does is reinforce my beliefs that Nullsec is the true care bear space to live in. You rarely have to worry about hostiles, get your ships replaced if popped, have access to the best ores/pi/rats, jump bridges, free jump freighter service. Hell, you even have a warning system of danger via local chat. I mean, what more can you ask for? People to stop crying about getting shot at in a game that's built around people getting blown up?
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 1072	Posted - 2012.12.05 15:18:00 - [110] - Quote Simetraz wrote: As it has opened up a whole new area of metagaming for those who have the ISK. I'm not sure if this is exactly detrimental to EVE's 1%. It's definitely being exercised by 'those who have the ISK" though. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde
Metal Icarus Legion Of Idiots legion of extraordinary Idi0ts 380	Posted - 2012.12.05 15:20:00 - [111] - Quote this can make PVP actually pay. If everyone has a bounty, everyone can get paid. game breaker? GAME MAKER!
Mag's the united Negative Ten. 10762	Posted - 2012.12.05 15:21:00 - [112] - Quote The sky is falling and Eve is dying, all at the same time. CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience.
Zack Korth The Deneveh Collective High Rollers 17	Posted - 2012.12.05 15:22:00 - [113] - Quote Ginger Barbarella wrote: Merovee wrote: "You can now place a bounty on any player character in New Eden, except Dev and ISD characters." (a) 5% leave (b) 10% leave (c) 20% leave (d) BEAR STAMPEDE ---> Exit or E) Most people laugh at the idiots wasting isk on high sec bounties *(like those failquitters that waste ammo shooting non-destructible objects)* My vote is for "E", thanks. no one does that.
Katran Luftschreck Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps 141	Posted - 2012.12.05 15:31:00 - [114] - Quote Arduemont wrote: So where are all these mysterious super rich griefers, who want to throw away ISK for lols, going to come from, eh? Goonswarm. It's what they do and they're damn proud of it, too. Next question? EvE Forum Bingo
De'Veldrin East India Ore Trade The East India Co. 514	Posted - 2012.12.05 15:38:00 - [115] - Quote Opertone wrote: DEAR CCP, how about one low slot for freighters? like 1 Damage control - no tears no more Why do people think this sort of change would come without any compensating nerf to the hull? l2gamebalance Bumping, leave it alone.
flakeys Angels of Anarchy Interstellar Confederation 436	Posted - 2012.12.05 15:43:00 - [116] - Quote My god the ignorance is STRONG in this one. Do pure empire players actualy take the time and look into a change to see what it does and does not do before creating a complain thread? There is a sufficiency in the world for man's need but not for man's greed.-á We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Ralle030583 EVSCO Industries Eve Service Alliance 0	Posted - 2012.12.05 15:51:00 - [117] - Quote De'Veldrin wrote: Opertone wrote: DEAR CCP, how about one low slot for freighters? like 1 Damage control - no tears no more Why do people think this sort of change would come without any compensating nerf to the hull? l2gamebalance best would be the ppl whining afterwards cause they got ganked with a cargo expanders fitted and even more value in cargo ;-) i like the idea with the lowslot
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 1072	Posted - 2012.12.05 15:55:00 - [118] - Quote Metal Icarus wrote: this can make PVP actually pay. If everyone has a bounty, everyone can get paid. game breaker? GAME MAKER! Grief Maker. As if there were not enough methods to achieve these ends already. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde
March rabbit Aliastra 280	Posted - 2012.12.05 15:57:00 - [119] - Quote meet with suspect yesterday and killed it. Person with positive sec status. Was really pleased by receiving bounty someone put on his head.
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 1072	Posted - 2012.12.05 16:29:00 - [120] - Quote Thank God for 'Reverse Bounties' and Mercs ! RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde
Ginger Barbarella State War Academy Caldari State 277	Posted - 2012.12.05 16:31:00 - [121] - Quote Zack Korth wrote: Ginger Barbarella wrote: Merovee wrote: "You can now place a bounty on any player character in New Eden, except Dev and ISD characters." (a) 5% leave (b) 10% leave (c) 20% leave (d) BEAR STAMPEDE ---> Exit or E) Most people laugh at the idiots wasting isk on high sec bounties *(like those failquitters that waste ammo shooting non-destructible objects)* My vote is for "E", thanks. no one does that. Hi! you must be new here!! Welcome to Eve Online!! And remember to keep your clone updated, slave.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 2800	Posted - 2012.12.05 17:01:00 - [122] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Inxentas Ultramar wrote: If you are into industry, you supply a specific market, and effectively do market PvP against everyone else. Why would such a player be exempt of any danger? Or why would they even want to? I for one am glad they removed the negative sec status rules. The new system opens the way for small corporate conflicts in hisec, with indies not just trying to undercut each other, but also interacting with mercs to hinder or even destroy the people undercutting you. In fact, it's my guess that especially industrial players will end up embracing this system the most. Time will tell though. 5.0 sec Status Toons with "X BILLION ISK Bounties" for being 'bad' is absurd in this or any other universe. Stupid is as stupid does. Bounties aren't given for being bad, they are a simple business proposition. To get people over the criminal connotation that bounties have, I'm seriously considering starting a thread to get support for a small change to the current system. That being if a person has a negative security status things remain as they are, but if they have a positive security status the "Wanted" across your pic changes to "Contract" or "Hunted" or some such, and references to a bounty amount on their show info changes to the same or perhaps "Price on their head". This might serve to remind people that the bad guys can, and often do (even in the real world) put a contract out for a hit on law abiding citizens that become a problem. In all seriousness would that make the concept make more sense? Or do you think people will simply come to terms with the fact that all the word Bounty means in EvE is that someone put a price on your head? To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 2800	Posted - 2012.12.05 17:04:00 - [123] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Thank God for 'Reverse Bounties' and Mercs ! The first thing I did when I logged in my characters was to check for bounties (there were a few) and promptly return the favor to them X100. If it becomes an issue, while I approve of the existance of merc's I personally prefer to handle such things myself. Fewer loose ends that way. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 1073	Posted - 2012.12.05 17:08:00 - [124] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Thank God for 'Reverse Bounties' and Mercs ! The first thing I did when I logged in my characters was to check for bounties (there were a few) and promptly return the favor to them X100. They are under the false assumption that we have no ISK. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 1073	Posted - 2012.12.05 17:14:00 - [125] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Inxentas Ultramar wrote: If you are into industry, you supply a specific market, and effectively do market PvP against everyone else. Why would such a player be exempt of any danger? Or why would they even want to? I for one am glad they removed the negative sec status rules. The new system opens the way for small corporate conflicts in hisec, with indies not just trying to undercut each other, but also interacting with mercs to hinder or even destroy the people undercutting you. In fact, it's my guess that especially industrial players will end up embracing this system the most. Time will tell though. 5.0 sec Status Toons with "X BILLION ISK Bounties" for being 'bad' is absurd in this or any other universe. Stupid is as stupid does. Bounties aren't given for being bad, they are a simple business proposition. To get people over the criminal connotation that bounties have, I'm seriously considering starting a thread to get support for a small change to the current system. That being if a person has a negative security status things remain as they are, but if they have a positive security status the "Wanted" across your pic changes to "Contract" or "Hunted" or some such, and references to a bounty amount on their show info changes to the same or perhaps "Price on their head". This might serve to remind people that the bad guys can, and often do (even in the real world) put a contract out for a hit on law abiding citizens that become a problem. In all seriousness would that make the concept make more sense? Or do you think people will simply come to terms with the fact that all the word Bounty means in EvE is that someone (on either side of the law) put a price on your head? The simple solution is if one is Sec Status positive, the Bounties expire after 30 days. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde
Natsett Amuinn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 552	Posted - 2012.12.05 17:21:00 - [126] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Inxentas Ultramar wrote: If you are into industry, you supply a specific market, and effectively do market PvP against everyone else. Why would such a player be exempt of any danger? Or why would they even want to? I for one am glad they removed the negative sec status rules. The new system opens the way for small corporate conflicts in hisec, with indies not just trying to undercut each other, but also interacting with mercs to hinder or even destroy the people undercutting you. In fact, it's my guess that especially industrial players will end up embracing this system the most. Time will tell though. 5.0 sec Status Toons with "X BILLION ISK Bounties" for being 'bad' is absurd in this or any other universe. Stupid is as stupid does. Bounties aren't given for being bad, they are a simple business proposition. To get people over the criminal connotation that bounties have, I'm seriously considering starting a thread to get support for a small change to the current system. That being if a person has a negative security status things remain as they are, but if they have a positive security status the "Wanted" across your pic changes to "Contract" or "Hunted" or some such, and references to a bounty amount on their show info changes to the same or perhaps "Price on their head". This might serve to remind people that the bad guys can, and often do (even in the real world) put a contract out for a hit on law abiding citizens that become a problem. In all seriousness would that make the concept make more sense? Or do you think people will simply come to terms with the fact that all the word Bounty means in EvE is that someone put a price on your head? "Bounty" doesn't mean criminal. A "Contract" in conjunction with a reward, would mean you issued a "bounty". "Wanted" doesn't mean your a criminal, it means someone has cause to want you, dead or alive. Sinse we play a video game, "Wanted" simply means someone wants you to experience loss. A corporate contract that rewards ISK for the killing of members from another corporation is as much a bounty as a contract by a single individual rewardsing ISK for the killing of a single pirate. Before you start petitioning to have wording changed, you may want to learn what the word means, and even a little history on bounties and how they have been used.
Mag's the united Negative Ten. 10762	Posted - 2012.12.05 17:28:00 - [127] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: 5.0 sec Status Toons with "X BILLION ISK Bounties" for being 'bad' is absurd in this or any other universe. Stupid is as stupid does. Not really, no. I place a bounty on them because I class their standing with me, to be a low one. Whether they have a positive standing with Concord or not, mean absolutely nothing to me. Sensible change is sensible. CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience.
Natsett Amuinn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 552	Posted - 2012.12.05 17:29:00 - [128] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: The simple solution is if one is Sec Status positive, the Bounties expire after 30 days. Why would they expire just because the person isn't a criminal? Bounties have nothing to do with whether or not an individual is a criminal. It was one of the things that was wrong with the old system, you could only put a bounty on a criminal. Microsoft has a bounty on a general group of individuals; many of whom aren't neccisarilly "wanted" by the law.
Robus Muvila GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 80	Posted - 2012.12.05 17:39:00 - [129] - Quote This is simply reiterating two concepts that permeate eve at every level, sec status and profession. Money is Power No one is untouchable And all those leaking magical tears in this thread remember it goes both ways. Pool your pocket money and put Bounties on those meanies who are interrupting your AFK mining and making you have to keep pausing The Walking Dead to play a game. Fake Edit: Wait for the replies saying "I should be untouchable because waaaaaaah " http://themittani.com - Because EvE has needed a proper news site for ages
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 1073	Posted - 2012.12.05 17:44:00 - [130] - Quote Natsett Amuinn wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: The simple solution is if one is Sec Status positive, the Bounties expire after 30 days. Why would they expire just because the person isn't a criminal? Bounties have nothing to do with whether or not an individual is a criminal. It was one of the things that was wrong with the old system, you could only put a bounty on a criminal. Microsoft has a bounty on a general group of individuals; many of whom aren't neccisarilly "wanted" by the law. " d. A reward offered for the scalp of an American Indian, or for the body of a wanted criminal taken dead or alive. Now Hist. N. Amer." This ain't Wiki: http://www.oed.com/view/Entry/22084?redirectedFrom=bounty#eid Being Icelandic based, CCP must have a different definition of Bounty, especially considering the behaviors of their ancstors which is very well documented. Mayhaps "Bounty" is the wrong word to be using as I can find nowhere with a definition that lacks in the 'criminality requirement". RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde
Natsett Amuinn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 552	Posted - 2012.12.05 17:46:00 - [131] - Quote I love how CCP gives the exact same tools to every person, allowing every person to do to another what they do to them. And then a group of you make every suggestion short of removing the tool, in the hopes of being able to make it useless for others. You don't want a bounty because you don't want the risk. So suggest they expire and being able to pay to have them removed. No, some of you are absolutlely not risk averse, at all.
Robus Muvila GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 80	Posted - 2012.12.05 17:50:00 - [132] - Quote I think that I'll add some money to the OP's bounty because of his whining. Spare the rod. Spoil the child. http://themittani.com - Because EvE has needed a proper news site for ages
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 1073	Posted - 2012.12.05 17:50:00 - [133] - Quote Robus Muvila wrote: This is simply reiterating two concepts that permeate eve at every level, sec status and profession. Money is Power No one is untouchable And all those leaking magical tears in this thread remember it goes both ways. Pool your pocket money and put Bounties on those meanies who are interrupting your AFK mining and making you have to keep pausing The Walking Dead to play a game. Fake Edit: Wait for the replies saying "I should be untouchable because waaaaaaah " Well, I'm obviously not one saying that. Besides I'm never AFK. EVER. And go after those who are as that is both lazy and wrong. Oh, and someone will get enriched from my Reverse-Bounties. I guess that is contributing to game play in a sorta silly way. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde
Natsett Amuinn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 552	Posted - 2012.12.05 17:51:00 - [134] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Natsett Amuinn wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: The simple solution is if one is Sec Status positive, the Bounties expire after 30 days. Why would they expire just because the person isn't a criminal? Bounties have nothing to do with whether or not an individual is a criminal. It was one of the things that was wrong with the old system, you could only put a bounty on a criminal. Microsoft has a bounty on a general group of individuals; many of whom aren't neccisarilly "wanted" by the law. " d. A reward offered for the scalp of an American Indian, or for the body of a wanted criminal taken dead or alive. Now Hist. N. Amer." This ain't Wiki: http://www.oed.com/view/Entry/22084?redirectedFrom=bounty#eid Being Icelandic based, CCP must have a different definition of Bounty, especially considering the behaviors of their ancstors which is very well documented. Mayhaps "Bounty" is the wrong word to be using as I can find nowhere with a definition that lacks in the 'criminality requirement". No, bounty is the correct word. It means, simply, a reward that is placed on someones head. That head doesn't have to be a criminal. Bounties aren't just for wanted criminals.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 10559	Posted - 2012.12.05 17:52:00 - [135] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: " d. A reward offered for the scalp of an American Indian, or for the body of a wanted criminal taken dead or alive. Now Hist. N. Amer." This ain't Wiki: http://www.oed.com/view/Entry/22084?redirectedFrom=bounty#eid Being Icelandic based, CCP must have a different definition of Bounty, especially considering the behaviors of their ancstors which is very well documented. GÇªfor instance, it's documented in the digital Oxford English Dictionary I have on my computer, which states: bounty \|-êba-ènti\| noun ( pl. bounties ) 1 a sum paid for killing or capturing a person or animal: there was an increased bounty on his head. 2 historical a sum paid by the state to encourage trade. -á-á-áGÇó a sum paid by the state to army or navy recruits on enlistment. 3 literary something given or occurring in generous amounts: the bounties of nature. -á-á-áGÇó [ mass noun ] generosity: for millennia the people along the Nile have depended entirely on its bounty. ORIGIN Middle English (denoting goodness or generosity): from Old French bonte GÇÿgoodnessGÇÖ, from Latin bonitas, from bonus GÇÿgoodGÇÖ. The sense GÇÿmonetary rewardGÇÖ dates from the early 18th cent. GÇªno mention of criminals there. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 1073	Posted - 2012.12.05 17:52:00 - [136] - Quote Natsett Amuinn wrote: I love how CCP gives the exact same tools to every person, See. See. You guys lie right there. An Alliance with Trillions and the ability to do this is not the same 'tool' as a Noob Account with 750,000. So no, it's not the 'same' tool. It is dispraportionally skewed to those simply with ISK. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 1073	Posted - 2012.12.05 17:54:00 - [137] - Quote Tippia wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: " d. A reward offered for the scalp of an American Indian, or for the body of a wanted criminal taken dead or alive. Now Hist. N. Amer." This ain't Wiki: http://www.oed.com/view/Entry/22084?redirectedFrom=bounty#eid Being Icelandic based, CCP must have a different definition of Bounty, especially considering the behaviors of their ancstors which is very well documented. GÇªfor instance, it's documented in the digital Oxford English Dictionary I have on my computer, which states: bounty \|-êba-ènti\| noun ( pl. bounties ) 1 a sum paid for killing or capturing a person or animal: there was an increased bounty on his head. 2 historical a sum paid by the state to encourage trade. -á-á-áGÇó a sum paid by the state to army or navy recruits on enlistment. 3 literary something given or occurring in generous amounts: the bounties of nature. -á-á-áGÇó [ mass noun ] generosity: for millennia the people along the Nile have depended entirely on its bounty. ORIGIN Middle English (denoting goodness or generosity): from Old French bonte GÇÿgoodnessGÇÖ, from Latin bonitas, from bonus GÇÿgoodGÇÖ. The sense GÇÿmonetary rewardGÇÖ dates from the early 18th cent. GÇªno mention of criminals there. Funny how I went to the same Oxford English Dictionary. Welp, you've finally lost all credibility in my mind. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde
Ryhss Proposition Thirteen The Third Rail 50	Posted - 2012.12.05 17:55:00 - [138] - Quote Why would people leave sInce CCP added a good feature for a change. Wait, let me guess. You are a pirate and are mad because your living is finally balanced? I got an idea, STOP SUICIDE GANKING! I have been known to spam trade windows with spammers of Jita. It is quite satisfying when they convo you screaming about reporting me for it. It normally provokes me to open another trade window with them.
Mag's the united Negative Ten. 10762	Posted - 2012.12.05 17:56:00 - [139] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Natsett Amuinn wrote: I love how CCP gives the exact same tools to every person, See. See. You guys lie right there. An Alliance with Trillions and the ability to do this is not the same 'tool' as a Noob Account with 750,000. So no, it's not the 'same' tool. It is dispraportionally skewed to those simply with ISK. :poor: CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience.
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 1073	Posted - 2012.12.05 17:56:00 - [140] - Quote Natsett Amuinn wrote: Bounties aren't just for wanted criminals. Yeah, but how many of us are recieving the King's Bounty from Elizabeth the 2nd. You have 3 children ? RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 1073	Posted - 2012.12.05 17:57:00 - [141] - Quote Mag's wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Natsett Amuinn wrote: I love how CCP gives the exact same tools to every person, See. See. You guys lie right there. An Alliance with Trillions and the ability to do this is not the same 'tool' as a Noob Account with 750,000. So no, it's not the 'same' tool. It is dispraportionally skewed to those simply with ISK. :poor: Yes 'poor'. Exactly like I said. That's the word, Igor. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde
Robus Muvila GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 80	Posted - 2012.12.05 17:58:00 - [142] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Natsett Amuinn wrote: I love how CCP gives the exact same tools to every person, See. See. You guys lie right there. An Alliance with Trillions and the ability to do this is not the same 'tool' as a Noob Account with 750,000. So no, it's not the 'same' tool. It is dispraportionally skewed to those simply with ISK. Yes. Disproportionately skewed. In the same way that rich people can buy more ships. Ships should get cheaper the less money you have. If you have no ISK, all ships should be free. Otherwise only the rich corps can buy the powerful ships. God damn you're right the system IS biased. http://themittani.com - Because EvE has needed a proper news site for ages
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 1073	Posted - 2012.12.05 18:01:00 - [143] - Quote Robus Muvila wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Natsett Amuinn wrote: I love how CCP gives the exact same tools to every person, See. See. You guys lie right there. An Alliance with Trillions and the ability to do this is not the same 'tool' as a Noob Account with 750,000. So no, it's not the 'same' tool. It is dispraportionally skewed to those simply with ISK. Yes. Disproportionately skewed. In the same way that rich people can buy more ships. Ships should get cheaper the less money you have. If you have no ISK, all ships should be free. Otherwise only the rich corps can buy the powerful ships. God damn you're right the system IS biased. And your system and line of reasoning is idiotic. Where the heck do you pull this crap out of what part of the brain? No seriously, we really really want to know. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde
Natsett Amuinn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 552	Posted - 2012.12.05 18:03:00 - [144] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Robus Muvila wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Natsett Amuinn wrote: I love how CCP gives the exact same tools to every person, See. See. You guys lie right there. An Alliance with Trillions and the ability to do this is not the same 'tool' as a Noob Account with 750,000. So no, it's not the 'same' tool. It is dispraportionally skewed to those simply with ISK. Yes. Disproportionately skewed. In the same way that rich people can buy more ships. Ships should get cheaper the less money you have. If you have no ISK, all ships should be free. Otherwise only the rich corps can buy the powerful ships. God damn you're right the system IS biased. And your system and line of reasoning is idiotic. Where the heck do you pull this crap out of what part of the brain? No seriously, we really really want to know. From the nonsense you wrote. That's exactly what you're saying. Cry me a river. If your corp and alliance sucks and has no money, get into a better one. WTF?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 10559	Posted - 2012.12.05 18:04:00 - [145] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Funny how I went to the same Oxford English Dictionary. Funny how we didn't. You went for the online OED hidden behind a paywall, quoting only a part of the definition GÇö and a historical (read: outdated) one at that. I went for the one I have available GÇö the local digital version on my computer. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 1073	Posted - 2012.12.05 18:06:00 - [146] - Quote Natsett Amuinn wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Robus Muvila wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Natsett Amuinn wrote: I love how CCP gives the exact same tools to every person, See. See. You guys lie right there. An Alliance with Trillions and the ability to do this is not the same 'tool' as a Noob Account with 750,000. So no, it's not the 'same' tool. It is dispraportionally skewed to those simply with ISK. Yes. Disproportionately skewed. In the same way that rich people can buy more ships. Ships should get cheaper the less money you have. If you have no ISK, all ships should be free. Otherwise only the rich corps can buy the powerful ships. God damn you're right the system IS biased. And your system and line of reasoning is idiotic. Where the heck do you pull this crap out of what part of the brain? No seriously, we really really want to know. From the nonsense you wrote. That's exactly what you're saying. Cry me a river. If your corp and alliance sucks and has no money, get into a better one. WTF? It's your comment about the ships being cheaper if one has less money. Sorry but that ain't how the world works, and we are insulted that you think we can find nothing exploitable in that concept. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 1073	Posted - 2012.12.05 18:07:00 - [147] - Quote Tippia wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Funny how I went to the same Oxford English Dictionary. Funny how we didn't. You went for the online OED hidden behind a paywall, quoting only a part of the definition GÇö and a historical (read: outdated) one at that. I went for the one I have available GÇö the local digital version on my computer. That's OED's issue, not mine. EDIT: So, I guess there is no agreement that even online OED is contradictory and invalid. If so, there ain't much hope.......... RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde
Robus Muvila GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 80	Posted - 2012.12.05 18:11:00 - [148] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: And your system and line of reasoning is idiotic. Where the heck do you pull this crap out of what part of the brain? No seriously, we really really want to know. Hey don't be angry, I'm on your side. The corps with all the money can issue all the Bounties, and buy all the ships. It's like... because they've got all the money they're more powerful than me!! That's not right!!!!!! I also support space Marxism my brother of the proletariat. http://themittani.com - Because EvE has needed a proper news site for ages
Natsett Amuinn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 552	Posted - 2012.12.05 18:11:00 - [149] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: It's your comment about the ships being cheaper if one has less money. Sorry but that ain't how the world works, and we are insulted that you think we can find nothing exploitable in that concept. Who was it that said that the bounty system wasn't the same tool because our alliance has more money. The implication being that it's unfair to people with less. I can spend billions on the bounty system if I wanted. You're the one that said it's not the same if you can't. That's stupid.
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 1073	Posted - 2012.12.05 18:14:00 - [150] - Quote Natsett Amuinn wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: It's your comment about the ships being cheaper if one has less money. Sorry but that ain't how the world works, and we are insulted that you think we can find nothing exploitable in that concept. Who was it that said that the bounty system wasn't the same tool because our alliance has more money. The implication being that it's unfair to people with less. I can spend billions on the bounty system if I wanted. You're the one that said it's not the same if you can't. That's stupid. So you CAN and they CAN'T. That is not the 'same tool'. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde
Natsett Amuinn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 552	Posted - 2012.12.05 18:16:00 - [151] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Natsett Amuinn wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: It's your comment about the ships being cheaper if one has less money. Sorry but that ain't how the world works, and we are insulted that you think we can find nothing exploitable in that concept. Who was it that said that the bounty system wasn't the same tool because our alliance has more money. The implication being that it's unfair to people with less. I can spend billions on the bounty system if I wanted. You're the one that said it's not the same if you can't. That's stupid. So you CAN and they CAN'T. That is not the 'same tool'. I'm sorry you're to poor to afford 100k. You don't need an alliance for that. I'd be happy to send you a few ISK if you'd like to use the bounty system, then you can stop crying about not being able to afford as much as me. PS: You know this guy can't even fly a drake. I don't cry that other people have a tool I don't. They clearly don't. Stop being lame.
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 1074	Posted - 2012.12.05 18:18:00 - [152] - Quote Natsett Amuinn wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Natsett Amuinn wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: It's your comment about the ships being cheaper if one has less money. Sorry but that ain't how the world works, and we are insulted that you think we can find nothing exploitable in that concept. Who was it that said that the bounty system wasn't the same tool because our alliance has more money. The implication being that it's unfair to people with less. I can spend billions on the bounty system if I wanted. You're the one that said it's not the same if you can't. That's stupid. So you CAN and they CAN'T. That is not the 'same tool'. I'm sorry you're to poor to afford 100k. You don't need an alliance for that. I'd be happy to send you a few ISK if you'd like to use the bounty system, then you can stop crying about not being able to afford as much as me. pppphhhhttt. I've already spent 1.5 Bill ISK on them this morning. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde
Natsett Amuinn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 552	Posted - 2012.12.05 18:20:00 - [153] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: pppphhhhttt. I've already spent 1.5 Bill ISK on them this morning. I should clarify that I see the entire bounty thing as a bit of a joke. Once all the fuss is over and it dies down in a couple of weeks we'll be right back to where we were 2 days ago. Maybe corps will use it more, so I guess something will come from it, but not a heck of a lot. So I'm not so sure I'd brag about dropping 1.5 bil into the bounty system, at least not to me.
Robus Muvila GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 80	Posted - 2012.12.05 18:25:00 - [154] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Natsett Amuinn wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Natsett Amuinn wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: It's your comment about the ships being cheaper if one has less money. Sorry but that ain't how the world works, and we are insulted that you think we can find nothing exploitable in that concept. Who was it that said that the bounty system wasn't the same tool because our alliance has more money. The implication being that it's unfair to people with less. I can spend billions on the bounty system if I wanted. You're the one that said it's not the same if you can't. That's stupid. So you CAN and they CAN'T. That is not the 'same tool'. I'm sorry you're to poor to afford 100k. You don't need an alliance for that. I'd be happy to send you a few ISK if you'd like to use the bounty system, then you can stop crying about not being able to afford as much as me. pppphhhhttt. I've already spent 1.5 Bill ISK on them this morning. Your bounty is already at nearly 2 billion. I hope someone ganks some sense into you. http://themittani.com - Because EvE has needed a proper news site for ages
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 2801	Posted - 2012.12.05 18:28:00 - [155] - Quote Natsett Amuinn wrote: Ranger 1 wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Inxentas Ultramar wrote: If you are into industry, you supply a specific market, and effectively do market PvP against everyone else. Why would such a player be exempt of any danger? Or why would they even want to? I for one am glad they removed the negative sec status rules. The new system opens the way for small corporate conflicts in hisec, with indies not just trying to undercut each other, but also interacting with mercs to hinder or even destroy the people undercutting you. In fact, it's my guess that especially industrial players will end up embracing this system the most. Time will tell though. 5.0 sec Status Toons with "X BILLION ISK Bounties" for being 'bad' is absurd in this or any other universe. Stupid is as stupid does. Bounties aren't given for being bad, they are a simple business proposition. To get people over the criminal connotation that bounties have, I'm seriously considering starting a thread to get support for a small change to the current system. That being if a person has a negative security status things remain as they are, but if they have a positive security status the "Wanted" across your pic changes to "Contract" or "Hunted" or some such, and references to a bounty amount on their show info changes to the same or perhaps "Price on their head". This might serve to remind people that the bad guys can, and often do (even in the real world) put a contract out for a hit on law abiding citizens that become a problem. In all seriousness would that make the concept make more sense? Or do you think people will simply come to terms with the fact that all the word Bounty means in EvE is that someone put a price on your head? "Bounty" doesn't mean criminal. A "Contract" in conjunction with a reward, would mean you issued a "bounty". "Wanted" doesn't mean your a criminal, it means someone has cause to want you, dead or alive. Sinse we play a video game, "Wanted" simply means someone wants you to experience loss. A corporate contract that rewards ISK for the killing of members from another corporation is as much a bounty as a contract by a single individual rewardsing ISK for the killing of a single pirate. Edit: You seem to understand what a bounty is. You should understand then that there isn't any reason to make trivial changes to how things are displayed. I am aware of all that (yes you are very correct). Perhaps I was too subtle, this was simply my polite way of pointing out what rather silly steps might need be done if a lot of people are obtuse enough to get hung up on the terminology. It's a little amazing that some folks have difficutly realizing a bounty is not a reflection of criminal behavior, but then again not so surprising I guess. It was that way for years in game and some people simply have it in their heads without actually "thinking" about it. Hopefully those folks are in the minority... but if that's not the case I suppose the silly suggestion above could be implimented fairly easily if necessary. Game persona ego's are such a delicate thing. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 10560	Posted - 2012.12.05 18:30:00 - [156] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: So, I guess there is no agreement that even online OED is contradictory and invalid. No, just that it's unverifiable and that the citation is incomplete. Meanwhile, it's not difficult to find sources that define the term without having to refer to criminals. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
Natsett Amuinn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 552	Posted - 2012.12.05 18:34:00 - [157] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: Natsett Amuinn wrote: Ranger 1 wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Inxentas Ultramar wrote: If you are into industry, you supply a specific market, and effectively do market PvP against everyone else. Why would such a player be exempt of any danger? Or why would they even want to? I for one am glad they removed the negative sec status rules. The new system opens the way for small corporate conflicts in hisec, with indies not just trying to undercut each other, but also interacting with mercs to hinder or even destroy the people undercutting you. In fact, it's my guess that especially industrial players will end up embracing this system the most. Time will tell though. 5.0 sec Status Toons with "X BILLION ISK Bounties" for being 'bad' is absurd in this or any other universe. Stupid is as stupid does. Bounties aren't given for being bad, they are a simple business proposition. To get people over the criminal connotation that bounties have, I'm seriously considering starting a thread to get support for a small change to the current system. That being if a person has a negative security status things remain as they are, but if they have a positive security status the "Wanted" across your pic changes to "Contract" or "Hunted" or some such, and references to a bounty amount on their show info changes to the same or perhaps "Price on their head". This might serve to remind people that the bad guys can, and often do (even in the real world) put a contract out for a hit on law abiding citizens that become a problem. In all seriousness would that make the concept make more sense? Or do you think people will simply come to terms with the fact that all the word Bounty means in EvE is that someone put a price on your head? "Bounty" doesn't mean criminal. A "Contract" in conjunction with a reward, would mean you issued a "bounty". "Wanted" doesn't mean your a criminal, it means someone has cause to want you, dead or alive. Sinse we play a video game, "Wanted" simply means someone wants you to experience loss. A corporate contract that rewards ISK for the killing of members from another corporation is as much a bounty as a contract by a single individual rewardsing ISK for the killing of a single pirate. Edit: You seem to understand what a bounty is. You should understand then that there isn't any reason to make trivial changes to how things are displayed. I am aware of all that (yes you are very correct). Perhaps I was too subtle, this was simply my polite way of pointing out what rather silly steps might need be done if a lot of people are obtuse enough to get hung up on the terminology. It's a little amazing that some folks have difficutly realizing a bounty is not a reflection of criminal behavior, but then again not so surprising I guess. It was that way for years in game and some people simply have it in their heads without actually "thinking" about it. Hopefully those folks are in the minority... but if that's not the case I suppose the silly suggestion above could be implimented fairly easily if necessary. Game persona ego's are such a delicate thing. It was my way of saying. Don't coddle the stupid.
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 1074	Posted - 2012.12.05 18:39:00 - [158] - Quote Robus Muvila wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: pppphhhhttt. I've already spent 1.5 Bill ISK on them this morning. Your bounty is already at nearly 2 billion. I hope someone ganks some sense into you. Great. That'll get rid of it. They will also find themselves perma-decced by some Mercs, so go for it. They need to make money just like we all do in order to fund them. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde
Natsett Amuinn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 552	Posted - 2012.12.05 18:42:00 - [159] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Robus Muvila wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: pppphhhhttt. I've already spent 1.5 Bill ISK on them this morning. Your bounty is already at nearly 2 billion. I hope someone ganks some sense into you. Great. That'll get rid of it. They will also find themselves perma-decced by some Mercs, so go for it. They need to make money just like we all do in order to fund them. Shame, the same can't be said about your posting. Coincidentally, which is why you've got an almost 2b bounty.
Robus Muvila GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 80	Posted - 2012.12.05 18:46:00 - [160] - Quote Natsett Amuinn wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Robus Muvila wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: pppphhhhttt. I've already spent 1.5 Bill ISK on them this morning. Your bounty is already at nearly 2 billion. I hope someone ganks some sense into you. Great. That'll get rid of it. They will also find themselves perma-decced by some Mercs, so go for it. They need to make money just like we all do in order to fund them. Shame, the same can't be said about your posting. Coincidentally, which is why you've got an almost 2b bounty. I've got to ask, get rid of what? I'm just plain confused now. Also it's 2.4 billion, congrats, you're the tenth most wanted man in the galaxy http://themittani.com - Because EvE has needed a proper news site for ages
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 1075	Posted - 2012.12.05 18:47:00 - [161] - Quote Natsett Amuinn wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Robus Muvila wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: pppphhhhttt. I've already spent 1.5 Bill ISK on them this morning. Your bounty is already at nearly 2 billion. I hope someone ganks some sense into you. Great. That'll get rid of it. They will also find themselves perma-decced by some Mercs, so go for it. They need to make money just like we all do in order to fund them. Shame, the same can't be said about your posting. Coincidentally, which is why you've got an almost 2b bounty. Have I indicated yet that I do not care ? I find wasted ISK hilarious. Pile it on ! RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 1075	Posted - 2012.12.05 18:48:00 - [162] - Quote Robus Muvila wrote: Natsett Amuinn wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Robus Muvila wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: pppphhhhttt. I've already spent 1.5 Bill ISK on them this morning. Your bounty is already at nearly 2 billion. I hope someone ganks some sense into you. Great. That'll get rid of it. They will also find themselves perma-decced by some Mercs, so go for it. They need to make money just like we all do in order to fund them. Shame, the same can't be said about your posting. Coincidentally, which is why you've got an almost 2b bounty. I've got to ask, get rid of what? I'm just plain confused now. Also it's 2.4 billion, congrats, you're the tenth most wanted man in the galaxy It just shows the stupidity of most players of this game. Not one single person will get anywhere near that back. And I'm NEVER AFK. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde
Natsett Amuinn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 552	Posted - 2012.12.05 18:51:00 - [163] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Natsett Amuinn wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Robus Muvila wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: pppphhhhttt. I've already spent 1.5 Bill ISK on them this morning. Your bounty is already at nearly 2 billion. I hope someone ganks some sense into you. Great. That'll get rid of it. They will also find themselves perma-decced by some Mercs, so go for it. They need to make money just like we all do in order to fund them. Shame, the same can't be said about your posting. Coincidentally, which is why you've got an almost 2b bounty. Have I indicated yet that I do not care ? I find wasted ISK hilarious. Pile it on ! Obviously. You already admitted to putting 1.5b into the system yourself.
Robus Muvila GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 80	Posted - 2012.12.05 18:52:00 - [164] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: It just shows the stupidity of most players of this game. Not one single person will get anywhere near that back. And I'm NEVER AFK. Then let the games begin! http://themittani.com - Because EvE has needed a proper news site for ages
Natsett Amuinn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 552	Posted - 2012.12.05 18:52:00 - [165] - Quote Robus Muvila wrote: I've got to ask, get rid of what? I'm just plain confused now. Also it's 2.4 billion, congrats, you're the tenth most wanted man in the galaxy Imagine a GD forum where ganking the person responsible for a bad post, also removed that post. .... Pretty dead forum actually.
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 1077	Posted - 2012.12.05 19:25:00 - [166] - Quote Actually, the winning strategy here is to make darned sure your Bounty never ever diminishes while still playing. EDIT: Also, making sure those one has Bounties on DO disappear. Thanks for providing an opportunity to WIN. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde

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