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Karsa Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.12.05 04:45:00 -
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KIller Wabbit wrote:Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Because the system is meant to be actually useful, instead of being filled with targets people can't actually go around hunting. Keep in mind, that higher bounties also pay higher percentage on kills and get adverticed in the EVE universe, so you don't want a system in place, where those valuable roleplay and payout slots are taken by out of game dev characters, that almost never play.
Emphasis mine. Well I certainly believe the never play part. That does enlighten me, so thanks for that. But I don't think every Dev is going to end up at the top of the list. Maybe a couple of ISD may get some special attention. They should have let it roll as is, then if it was a real problem, they could have a separate list for "special" pilots - leaving the pilots who actually do play on the original screen. If nothing else - this will be growing an isk sink, so you would think marketing and accounting would be all for it.
Okay, I think you don't know what those Dev Characters are actually about. "CCP ..." characters (blue on the forum) are mostly used right here on the forums, not to log onto the server and play the game. If they do (rarely) they only do stuff in their own completely unreachable region of New Eden (except for events, when they sometimes come out in a fleet).
That does NOT mean CCP devs don't properly play the game! But they don't use their official "CCP ..." toons to do so. They are among us silently/anonymously, flying alongside you, without you knowing (mind you, some do, some don't).
Which is good, because this is a player driven universe. And having the developers intact with the world as players publically would just be... shite.
If you were to place bounties on "CCP ..." toons, all you would do is throw ISK into a sink without purpose (unless they come out in an event, but thats not what this system is for). So they disabled it, which makes all the sense in the world. You can place bounties on the anonymous dev alts though, you just won't know that it was a developer, you'll just think it was an ordinary player you placed your bounty on (unlikely to be you, but somebody will probably put bounties on some of those dev alts), |
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
102
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Posted - 2012.12.05 04:46:00 -
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Complaint Dept wrote:As I stated earlier!! Not even 24 hours after the patch my freighter pilot made two trips to Jita and he has a bounty on him already!
Never happened before, now because of the cost of a freighter a bounty is put on him. Not to mention the cargo loss if that happens. WAY TO GO CCP your working for PIRATES now? What is your goal here? CCP's forum of Hulkageddon? Stop listen is the CSM PVPers. Not all of us play the game for PVP and wish High sec would stay just that HIGH SEC NOT L
Total crap!! Bounties should be for outlaws with low sec status NOT for the general population that have good status.
BRB. Putting some of my isk on your head. |
Karsa Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.12.05 04:58:00 -
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Complaint Dept wrote:As I stated earlier!! Not even 24 hours after the patch my freighter pilot made two trips to Jita and he has a bounty on him already!
Never happened before, now because of the cost of a freighter a bounty is put on him. Not to mention the cargo loss if that happens. WAY TO GO CCP your working for PIRATES now? What is your goal here? CCP's forum of Hulkageddon? Stop listen is the CSM PVPers. Not all of us play the game for PVP and wish High sec would stay just that HIGH SEC NOT L
Total crap!! Bounties should be for outlaws with low sec status NOT for the general population that have good status.
They most likely put the bounty on your head because of this thread, not because of in-game activity.
But still, your complaints hardly make sense.
Let's say a ganker wants to gank your freighter. Right now (until now, to be exact) he'll have to put up several hundred millions worth of ISK in form of suicide tornados to gank you. It is only worth it if your cargo is a billion ISK or more. (roughly)
In the future (from now on...), he could put bounties on your head... WHICH HE HAS TO PAY UP FRONT, that he get's partially back when he ganks you.... He might get it fully back if the bounty sum amounts to only 20% of the killmail (then it'll be completely paid out)
That (stupid) ganker DOES NOT MAKE MORE MONEY. Actually, if sbd else does the killing, whoever put up the money won't get it back (which is the sensible way of using the mechanic in the first place).
The bounty system does not generate ISK for anybody out of thin air. It is not a one-way profit making scheme for anybody.
Now, somebody who dislikes you very much can exchange HIS ISK for an increased chance to see you killed (by somebody else, who pockets the extra money). Now, as only 20% of the hull worth (!) - read again HULL worth - is paid out, it makes ganks on your person only a certain amount more profitable. (roughly 300M more payout)
For a high-sec freighter pilot this is only relevant insofar:
- You have enemies that are willing to part with their ISK to see you suffer. (NOT the ganker who is going for profit)
- You operate very close to the 1B isk margin of gank-profitability
In that case, you are more profitable to gank and will probably have to reduce the worth of goods you carry by around 250-300M ISK to remain safe.
/case closed |
Karsa Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.12.05 05:05:00 -
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One thing that should aways be clarified:
Bounties do not generate kill rights.
Concord will still avenge you, which means we are only talking about gank-probability calculations.
Those depend upon ship class (and fitting).
As shown above, for freighters a useful bounty sum is 250M or 300M ISK, but it doesn't really cripple a freighter pilot's ability to operate safely - it does effect him noticably, though.
--> Which seems well balanced, therefor. You made someone mad, he can inconvenience you (and has to part with his money to do so).
It's not broken, it actuall works.  Hurray! |
Agent Akari
Just Popped Out For Milk
Corcoran State
65
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Posted - 2012.12.05 05:17:00 -
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You can remove the bounty on your head by paying the same amount of bounty fee to concord. Talk about a great isk sink.
no, this wasn't implented. |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
The Paganism Alliance
145
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Posted - 2012.12.05 14:32:00 -
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If you are into industry, you supply a specific market, and effectively do market PvP against everyone else. Why would such a player be exempt of any danger? Or why would they even want to?  I for one am glad they removed the negative sec status rules. The new system opens the way for small corporate conflicts in hisec, with indies not just trying to undercut each other, but also interacting with mercs to hinder or even destroy the people undercutting you. In fact, it's my guess that especially industrial players will end up embracing this system the most. Time will tell though. |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks
Executive Outcomes
564
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Posted - 2012.12.05 14:43:00 -
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If you leave because someone placed a bounty on you then you aren't cut out for EVE anyway.
"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10548
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Posted - 2012.12.05 14:47:00 -
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Complaint Dept wrote:WAY TO GO CCP your working for PIRATES now? Of course. Why wouldn't they be?
Quote:What is your goal here? To provide more opportunities for conflict and payback than before.
Quote:Not all of us play the game for PVP and wish High sec would stay just that HIGH SEC NOT L Actually, everyone in the game engages in PvP due to how the game is set up, and this change doesn't make highsec any less highsec:y.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Cozmik R5
Chez Stan
148
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Posted - 2012.12.05 14:52:00 -
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Complaint Dept wrote:As I stated earlier!! Not even 24 hours after the patch my freighter pilot made two trips to Jita and he has a bounty on him already!
Never happened before, now because of the cost of a freighter a bounty is put on him. Not to mention the cargo loss if that happens. WAY TO GO CCP your working for PIRATES now? What is your goal here? CCP's forum of Hulkageddon? Stop listen is the CSM PVPers. Not all of us play the game for PVP and wish High sec would stay just that HIGH SEC NOT L
Total crap!! Bounties should be for outlaws with low sec status NOT for the general population that have good status.
Wow. The butthurt in this post just made my day!
Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
1072
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Posted - 2012.12.05 15:02:00 -
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Complaint Dept wrote:What in the heck is CCP thinking!! I enjoy the industrial challenges of the game. And wish not to get involved in PVP. But once again the industrialist get the short end of the stick!! And I'm sure CSM had a lot to do with this. Thanks for making this game less enjoyable!! 
^^THIS
I don't need to embellish further.
BUT, I did Reverse-Planted Bounties on the 3 Idiots so far.
RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
1072
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Posted - 2012.12.05 15:04:00 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote:If you are into industry, you supply a specific market, and effectively do market PvP against everyone else. Why would such a player be exempt of any danger? Or why would they even want to? I for one am glad they removed the negative sec status rules. The new system opens the way for small corporate conflicts in hisec, with indies not just trying to undercut each other, but also interacting with mercs to hinder or even destroy the people undercutting you. In fact, it's my guess that especially industrial players will end up embracing this system the most. Time will tell though.
5.0 sec Status Toons with "X BILLION ISK Bounties" for being 'bad' is absurd in this or any other universe.
Stupid is as stupid does.
RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
1072
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Posted - 2012.12.05 15:09:00 -
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Karsa Egivand wrote:
(Again, the ganker putting up the money DOESN'T gain anything, as he only gains with the gank what he lost earlier. You only have to be on the lookout for people who have a grudge against you and want... dare i say it... RETRIBUTION)
Wrong.
They gain the satisfaction of having their Harrassment E-Peen stroked.
RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
549
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Posted - 2012.12.05 15:09:00 -
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Complaint Dept wrote:Agree! Maybe a deal breaker! CCP is becoming Pirate friendly!! "You can now place a bounty on any player character in New Eden, except Dev and ISD characters." "The minimum bounty amounts are: Players (100,000 ISK), Corporations (20,000,000 ISK), Alliances (100,000,000 ISK)" "Bounty payout is now based on damage inflicted on the target. The payout is 20% of the loss value." Bounties should be for criminals, outlaws, and players with low morale character (low standings)! NOT for the general player who wishes not to be involved in PVP.All you have to do is put a bounty on every freighter pilot. At current cost of a freighter at $1.5 bil. and with 20% loss value that alone is 300 mil. NOT including loss of cargo or cargo dropped. That could easily become a 500 mil + bounty for a rock bottom price of 100k. fee. It will be a pirate field day!!  What in the heck is CCP thinking!! I enjoy the industrial challenges of the game. And wish not to get involved in PVP. But once again the industrialist get the short end of the stick!! And I'm sure CSM had a lot to do with this. Thanks for making this game less enjoyable!!
Where did you get the idea that PvP was optional in EVE?
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
1072
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Posted - 2012.12.05 15:10:00 -
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Oregin wrote:OP what is there to be so damn scared about having a bounty? Do you genuinely think that an extra couple of mil on somebody's head would affect who gets ganked or not?
Try Billions.
Or did you not think this system would be immediately abused ?
RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
1072
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Posted - 2012.12.05 15:13:00 -
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Gillia Winddancer wrote:You'd have to be pretty damn rich, bored and probably somewhat stupid if you were to end up placing attractive bounties on random people for no reason whatsoever.
They are, they are, they are.........and they do.
This is EVE remember ?
RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |
Escomboli
Hammer Holding
Wrong Hole.
8
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Posted - 2012.12.05 15:13:00 -
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All the bounty system does is reinforce my beliefs that Nullsec is the true care bear space to live in.
You rarely have to worry about hostiles, get your ships replaced if popped, have access to the best ores/pi/rats, jump bridges, free jump freighter service.
I mean, what more can you ask for? |
Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy
Caldari State
277
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Posted - 2012.12.05 15:14:00 -
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Merovee wrote:"You can now place a bounty on any player character in New Eden, except Dev and ISD characters." (a) 5% leave (b) 10% leave (c) 20% leave (d) BEAR STAMPEDE ---> Exit 
or E) Most people laugh at the idiots wasting isk on high sec bounties (like those failquitters that waste ammo shooting non-destructible objects)
My vote is for "E", thanks. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
1072
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Posted - 2012.12.05 15:15:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:
So where are all these mysterious super rich griefers, who want to throw away ISK for lols, going to come from, eh?
How can you play EVE and still be so ignorant about what goes on in it ?
RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
549
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Posted - 2012.12.05 15:15:00 -
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Escomboli wrote:All the bounty system does is reinforce my beliefs that Nullsec is the true care bear space to live in.
You rarely have to worry about hostiles, get your ships replaced if popped, have access to the best ores/pi/rats, jump bridges, free jump freighter service. Hell, you even have a warning system of danger via local chat.
I mean, what more can you ask for?
People to stop crying about getting shot at in a game that's built around people getting blown up? |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
1072
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Posted - 2012.12.05 15:18:00 -
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Simetraz wrote:
As it has opened up a whole new area of metagaming for those who have the ISK.
I'm not sure if this is exactly detrimental to EVE's 1%.
It's definitely being exercised by 'those who have the ISK" though.
RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |
Metal Icarus
Legion Of Idiots
legion of extraordinary Idi0ts
380
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Posted - 2012.12.05 15:20:00 -
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this can make PVP actually pay. If everyone has a bounty, everyone can get paid.
game breaker? GAME MAKER! |
Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
10762
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Posted - 2012.12.05 15:21:00 -
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The sky is falling and Eve is dying, all at the same time. 
CCP Zulu.....
Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Zack Korth
The Deneveh Collective
High Rollers
17
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Posted - 2012.12.05 15:22:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:Merovee wrote:"You can now place a bounty on any player character in New Eden, except Dev and ISD characters." (a) 5% leave (b) 10% leave (c) 20% leave (d) BEAR STAMPEDE ---> Exit or E) Most people laugh at the idiots wasting isk on high sec bounties (like those failquitters that waste ammo shooting non-destructible objects)My vote is for "E", thanks.
no one does that. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
141
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Posted - 2012.12.05 15:31:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:So where are all these mysterious super rich griefers, who want to throw away ISK for lols, going to come from, eh?
Goonswarm. It's what they do and they're damn proud of it, too. Next question?
EvE Forum Bingo |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade
The East India Co.
514
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Posted - 2012.12.05 15:38:00 -
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Opertone wrote:DEAR CCP, how about one low slot for freighters?
like 1 Damage control - no tears no more
Why do people think this sort of change would come without any compensating nerf to the hull?
l2gamebalance
Bumping, leave it alone. |
flakeys
Angels of Anarchy
Interstellar Confederation
436
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Posted - 2012.12.05 15:43:00 -
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My god the ignorance is STRONG in this one.
Do pure empire players actualy take the time and look into a change to see what it does and does not do before creating a complain thread?
There is a sufficiency in the world for man's need but not for man's greed.-á
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Ralle030583
EVSCO Industries
Eve Service Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.12.05 15:51:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:Opertone wrote:DEAR CCP, how about one low slot for freighters?
like 1 Damage control - no tears no more Why do people think this sort of change would come without any compensating nerf to the hull? l2gamebalance
best would be the ppl whining afterwards cause they got ganked with a cargo expanders fitted and even more value in cargo ;-)
i like the idea with the lowslot |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
1072
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Posted - 2012.12.05 15:55:00 -
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Metal Icarus wrote:this can make PVP actually pay. If everyone has a bounty, everyone can get paid.
game breaker? GAME MAKER!
Grief Maker.
As if there were not enough methods to achieve these ends already.
RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |
March rabbit
Aliastra
280
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Posted - 2012.12.05 15:57:00 -
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meet with suspect yesterday and killed it. Person with positive sec status. Was really pleased by receiving bounty someone put on his head. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
1072
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Posted - 2012.12.05 16:29:00 -
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Thank God for 'Reverse Bounties' and Mercs ! 
RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |
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