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Dave stark
Black Nova Corp. R O G U E
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Posted - 2012.12.01 19:48:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:YoYo NickyYo wrote:People actually use Blockade runners in High-sec? Small stuff, Cheetah, big stuff Jump freighter, why would you ever risk a blockade runner is beyond me... (sighs) Daily PI Low Sec pickups are too big for a frigate and a freighter would be incredibly stupid overkill.
yeah because lowsec pi junk is what he was talking about. i mean, he didn't specify high sec at all in his post did he? Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Sturmwolke
304
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Posted - 2012.12.01 20:30:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:After all of these words in this thread we are still no closer to figuring out why this change has happened CCP they won't admit anything. This unscannable BR cargo scheme was obviously stupid from the start ... unless their REAL aim is to promote BR ganks in highsec ... which won't really make much of a long term impact when the average(i.e. the less paranoid) BR pilots learn NOT to autopilot when running with empty cargo. All this does is increase the work load for BR pilots as they need to pilot fully active which will drive up the annoyance level for players.
There are really no other plausible angles (that I can think of atm) that will have any noticeable gameplay changes/impact that will explain this move. What's left are the oops - which you won't see CCP explaining to save from a public embarassment.
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MadMuppet
A Better Corp Name
609
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Posted - 2012.12.01 20:40:00 -
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YoYo NickyYo wrote:People actually use Blockade runners in High-sec? Small stuff, Cheetah, big stuff Jump freighter, why would you ever risk a blockade runner is beyond me...
I see a lot of distribution mission players use them because they can fit any cargo for the L4 missions while they grind standings and they align and warp much faster. November 6th, 2012 "With this in mind, it becomes quite obvious to focus on training the Destroyers and Battlecruisers skills before the change to get the maximum return effect. We highly recommend you start doing so now." --á CCP Ytterbium from:-áhttp://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73530 |
Valerie Tessel
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
302
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Posted - 2012.12.01 20:45:00 -
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CCP is simply buffing loot pi+¦atas. Now you really do have to crack them open to see what's inside. Support Aegis Destroyers: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=97610 |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10472
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Posted - 2012.12.01 20:56:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:After all of these words in this thread we are still no closer to figuring out why this change has happened We have a hint. It was pretty much explicitly connected to the loss of the unscannable/unlootable Orca hangars. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
318
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Posted - 2012.12.01 21:41:00 -
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http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Item_Database:Ships:Transport_Ships |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2783
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Posted - 2012.12.01 23:05:00 -
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I personally would like to think that blockade runners being rendered unscannable is just step one on the way to making smuggling a full fledged profession. I know that NPC ability to scan them is currently unchanged, but if there are future game mechanics coming that will allow blockade runners a chance to change that, perhaps based on smuggling skills of some sort...
And of course there is the Orca compensation angle as well.
That being said, I too would like to have seen this change applied to their cousins (the Deep Space Transports) as well. With freighters being able to pick up in space now they need a boost to their already endangered marginal role as a hard to kill Transport. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
2051
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Posted - 2012.12.01 23:25:00 -
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Remove this "unscannable" crap completely.
We are playing EvE not a simpleton game. Plus they say they want to remove exceptions in the code and... promptly make BRs and exception. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Dave stark
Black Nova Corp. R O G U E
704
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Posted - 2012.12.01 23:29:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Remove this "unscannable" crap completely. We are playing EvE not a simpleton game. Plus they say they want to remove exceptions in the code and... promptly make BRs and exception.
the fact that all BRs are now basically KoS is going to be hilarious. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
2051
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Posted - 2012.12.01 23:33:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Remove this "unscannable" crap completely. We are playing EvE not a simpleton game. Plus they say they want to remove exceptions in the code and... promptly make BRs and exception. the fact that all BRs are now basically KoS is going to be hilarious.
Well for some reason I keep lucking patches out.
By mere coincidence I have super-researched T1 indy BPO and loads of Prowlers BPCs ready for u$e... Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2783
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Posted - 2012.12.01 23:37:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Remove this "unscannable" crap completely. We are playing EvE not a simpleton game. Plus they say they want to remove exceptions in the code and... promptly make BRs and exception. the fact that all BRs are now basically KoS is going to be hilarious. Well, actually the only BR's that will get popped are those piloted by very incompetent or lazy pilots. People that currently use them to transport valuable cargo, and use them properly, have little to worry about.
But yes, those pilots that put one on auto pilot after dropping off their cargo are going to be a bit annoyed. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1820
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Posted - 2012.12.01 23:45:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:But yes, those pilots that put one on auto pilot after dropping off their cargo are going to be a bit annoyed. EVE, a cold and harsh reality. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Oopsy Bear
Massively Masochistic Machos
17
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Posted - 2012.12.01 23:47:00 -
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Incidentally, this is why I'm in favor of removing cargo scanners altogether. Pop all the things. It would be more fun. |
Dave stark
Black Nova Corp. R O G U E
704
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Posted - 2012.12.01 23:48:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Dave stark wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Remove this "unscannable" crap completely. We are playing EvE not a simpleton game. Plus they say they want to remove exceptions in the code and... promptly make BRs and exception. the fact that all BRs are now basically KoS is going to be hilarious. Well for some reason I keep lucking patches out. By mere coincidence I have super-researched T1 indy BPO and loads of Prowlers BPCs ready for u$e...
prowlers are nice for that second high slot. i made the mistake of training caldari industrials, stuck with the worst BR of the bunch. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
M1k3y Koontz
Blackened Skies Nulli Secunda
57
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Posted - 2012.12.02 01:23:00 -
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Irrelevant change is irrelevant
After a week of Russian Roulette gankers will just ignore cloaky haulers.
How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp. |
baltec1
Bat Country
3001
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Posted - 2012.12.02 01:56:00 -
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M1k3y Koontz wrote:Irrelevant change is irrelevant
After a week of Russian Roulette gankers will just ignore cloaky haulers.
So basically no change. Running into someone flying a blocade runner worth ganking that is on auto pilot is already a rare event. |
Sturmwolke
305
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Posted - 2012.12.02 05:01:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:M1k3y Koontz wrote:Irrelevant change is irrelevant After a week of Russian Roulette gankers will just ignore cloaky haulers. So basically no change. Running into someone flying a blocade runner worth ganking that is on auto pilot is already a rare event. I don't think so. There will always be idiots (else you wont see the freighter ganking regularly), the threat of getting popped at busy pipes will forever be there since the unscannable bonus will be an incentive to pop a BR. It doesn't even have to be super expensive cargo. In terms of relative value, you can pop a BR with a ship (or ships) that costs less than it's hull - so technically, the gankers will always profit in some ways, be it in isk or tears.
If anyone haven't already noticed, there are gankers out there in the usual places that regularly pop autopiloted frigates. They go after your pod and your implants. It's called tears harvesting and besides the destroyer costs, the security status impact is irrelevant (as it won't hamper their operations in highsec too much). No security status grind is necessary. It's a typical loophole which won't be pre-actively nerfed until the noise gets louder.
Personally, I don't normally fly my BR on autopilot unless its empty (and I'm tabbed out doing other things). With the threat forever hanging like a dagger above your head, that option goes out of the window now. This is what gets me annoyed. A pointless buff that unecessarily increase player attention time ingame with un-productive activity. Many EVE players multi-task and run multiple screens or they often tab out to do other things when doing menial tasks due to the pace of the game.
P.S. Yes, they might be doing this for the smuggling angle which would explain why they looked for a replacement after the Orca change, instead of doing away with it altogether. However, it's already very trivial to smuggle things and avoid NPC scans in the current BR anyway. Ponder that. |
Haoibuni
The Graduates RAZOR Alliance
15
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Posted - 2012.12.02 08:40:00 -
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Haven't read through the thread so this may have been said by others:
I disapprove of the Blockade Runner changes as a BR already has ample tools to not be caught or scanned (insta undocks, BM'd dock points and align-cloak-warp)
This change just means that I would be stupid to autopilot my EMPTY BR around hi-sec anymore as some cheapo ship capable of chewwing through its 19k AFK tank is gonna role the dice on it. |
Travis117
Project Maverick IMPERIAL LEGI0N
34
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Posted - 2012.12.02 08:56:00 -
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This just in: Gankers are extremely pissed at this update because there making less Isk |
Dave stark
Black Nova Corp. R O G U E
708
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Posted - 2012.12.02 08:58:00 -
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Travis117 wrote:This just in: Gankers are extremely pissed at this update because there making less Isk
not really. nobody will bother popping a BR for the same reason nobody bothers popping orcas. too much effort.
freighters will still be the staple diet of the ganker post retribution, with a side dish of any one with kill rights, for the lulz. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
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Melikor Tissant
Odd Fluffy Bunnies
3
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Posted - 2012.12.02 09:12:00 -
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Fryhilda wrote:You can tank it up to 40k EHP or so. And go AFK on autopilot with it with no fear of being scanned.
I would like to see a fit like that that won't scream "gank me!!" and be completely passive. |
Sola Mercury
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
32
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Posted - 2012.12.02 09:53:00 -
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YoYo NickyYo wrote:People actually use Blockade runners in High-sec? Small stuff, Cheetah, big stuff Jump freighter, why would you ever risk a blockade runner is beyond me...
Yes for level 4 Courier missions. They used to be the best ships for this. |
baltec1
Bat Country
3002
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Posted - 2012.12.02 10:38:00 -
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Travis117 wrote:This just in: Gankers are extremely pissed at this update because there making less Isk
We dont hit these things anyway. The ones that do carry expensive stuff cloak up the second they move and the ones on auto pilot are for the most part empty.
We are in the same boat is every else in not understanding why they made this change. If anything this will make us want to hit them more just to see what they are trying to hide. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
1039
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Posted - 2012.12.02 11:44:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Travis117 wrote:This just in: Gankers are extremely pissed at this update because there making less Isk We dont hit these things anyway. The ones that do carry expensive stuff cloak up the second they move and the ones on auto pilot are for the most part empty. We are in the same boat is every else in not understanding why they made this change. If anything this will make us want to hit them more just to see what they are trying to hide.
Once in a blue moon we do screw up the cloaking before warp. Esp in Low Sec, I have popped into systems 1000m from a Sansha Rat, making in impossible to insta-cloak when trying to warp away to the next location.
It happens.
You could be the lucky one sitting there waiting........ RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |
Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
89
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Posted - 2012.12.02 12:43:00 -
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Sturmwolke wrote:*snip*
P.S. Yes, they might be doing this for the smuggling angle which would explain why they looked for a replacement after the Orca change, instead of doing away with it altogether. However, it's already very trivial to smuggle things and avoid NPC scans in the current BR anyway. Ponder that. Doesn't sound like it at all.. There is no talk or sketch for smuggling gameplay currently. Also, what's the point in putting a non-npc scan immunity into just one ship only?
This all smells like a kneejerk reaction on fixing the exploited corp hangars on ships that had them..
Btw, I went through the whole thread that goes with the Dev blog announcing that change and CCP doesn't address the player concerns regarding this AT ALL! They respond to all kinds of stuff.. but no comment on the BR scan-immunity and what they think of the players wish/response to have this 'bonus' applied to the DSTs instead. And to tell you the truth - this pisses me off the most. |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
387
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Posted - 2012.12.02 15:02:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:baltec1 wrote:Travis117 wrote:This just in: Gankers are extremely pissed at this update because there making less Isk We dont hit these things anyway. The ones that do carry expensive stuff cloak up the second they move and the ones on auto pilot are for the most part empty. We are in the same boat is every else in not understanding why they made this change. If anything this will make us want to hit them more just to see what they are trying to hide. Once in a blue moon we do screw up the cloaking before warp. Esp in Low Sec, I have popped into systems 1000m from a Sansha Rat, making in impossible to insta-cloak when trying to warp away to the next location. It happens. You could be the lucky one sitting there waiting........
Obviously in this situation he is only going to kill you after scanning you .....
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Caitlyn Tufy
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
42
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Posted - 2012.12.02 20:11:00 -
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Jacob Holland wrote:Blockade Runners in Empire are often used for high value cargo anyway
Except when they're used for fast runs. Twice the warp speed, faster alignment, higher velocity and more? The only downside to them is limited cargo space, but they're fine to carry a load of (relatively worthless) missiles. |
Aurelius Valentius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
211
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Posted - 2012.12.02 22:06:00 -
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Obviously the OP isn't a Covet Quafe Runner!!!!... NOOB!!!... get with the illegal hooch mob! *pulls out a bottle of Quafe and looks around for his bottle opener, not seeing it...* Bottler opener?... BOTTLE OPENER!!!...*smashes bottle on windscreen, pours it over his face and throws it out of the window*...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJZ5x-zUx28 - ref for the humorless. Look at all the Macks in local...impressive...very impressive...I see you have fashioned a new exhumer...much like you father's... your skills as a miner are now complete...indeed you are powerful as CCP Devs have foreseen. <- 204 people are obviously confused. |
Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
105
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Posted - 2012.12.28 02:24:00 -
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Silk daShocka wrote:Concord will be able to scan BR's
Oh really?
"Blockade Runners are being updated to be immune to cargo scanners, and as such will always show up as empty on scans"
Some Rando wrote:You forgot a square on your carebear bingo card: "Uninformed post made after not reading the thread."
How about "Uninformed troll who serves no absolutely no purpose in life?" EvE Forum Bingo |
Pashino
Venice Academy
4
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Posted - 2012.12.29 00:39:00 -
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I use (or used to use) a Prowler for Distribution missions, and general runs to the nearest trade system. Now, if I have it out, I have to be 100% alert and operating it 'as if' I were carrying high value goodies, whether I am or not. The ship already has the toolset to do its' job and it looks to me like the Devs just made a snap decision to move the "can't scan cargo" capability to the Blocade Runners from the Orcas. They really need to move that capability over to the DST's, which barely have any use nowadays. Putting a "can't scan cargo" capability on tanky DST's allows for a more balanced (and probably active) situation with pirates looking for valuable cargo. They can readily target and blow the DST's, but in high sec will have to commit more resources to expend in the effort - not quite as much effort as popping a tanked Orca, but neither is a Mastadon as costly as an Orca. |
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