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Aurora RedNova
Aurora Lab
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Posted - 2012.12.01 10:17:00 -
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I appreciate that blockade runners are now immune to cargo scanning. But which ships exactly are counting as blockade runners? Only Tech2 industrials like Bustard and Crane? Tried to google and evepedia it but I still have no clue. |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
375
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Posted - 2012.12.01 10:19:00 -
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The blockade runner is the transport ship that uses the cov ops cloak, so prowler, prorator, viator and crane. It tells you they are blockade runners intheir description. |
Grideris
Fleet Coordination Commission Fleet Coordination Coalition
303
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Posted - 2012.12.01 10:20:00 -
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Aurora RedNova wrote:I appreciate that blockade runners are now immune to cargo scanning. But which ships exactly are counting as blockade runners? Only Tech2 industrials like Bustard and Crane? Tried to google and evepedia it but I still have no clue.
Viator, Crane, Prorator and Prowler are blockade runners. The other T2 Transport ships are Deep Space Transports (tougher, have inate warp core stability) http://www.dust514.org - the unofficial forum for everything DUST 514 http://www.dust514base.com - the blog site with everything else DUST 514 you need
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
982
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Posted - 2012.12.01 10:25:00 -
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Blockade runners are blockade runners. What's not to get? |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2012.12.01 10:27:00 -
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What the two gentlemen and one other above have told you is correct. Finally you can enjoy cargo scan immunity on your invisible cloaked hauler. |
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
75
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Posted - 2012.12.01 11:03:00 -
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While our stealthy haulers becoming more stealthy is cool...
I do wonder how much of an explosion of tears there will be when it's implemented. The stealthy haulers are, after all, fragile, reliant on speed and agility and difficult to tank. These factors make them relatively cheap to gank (certainly compared to an Orca) - I suspect we'll see a lot of wrecks around Jita undock
Blockade Runners in Empire are often used for high value cargo anyway and their high skill requirements and low payoff (hauler [5] only gives you freighters and T2 haulers) probably means that the majority of them operating exclusively in Empire have been bought specifically for that purpose... So in the absence of any indication that they're carrying anything there's a 50/50 chance that they're on their loaded run and a good chance that if they're loaded it'll be with something valuable - which might well be worth a destroyer or two.
Busy gates or stations where cloaking is difficult, the sig increase or agility decrease which fitting a buffer tank which are counter to the low sig, high agility paradigm of the ship and the impracticality of fitting active modules (hardeners, DCs...etc) on a cloaking ship... All those datacores, all that ferrogel - and the crimewatch changes which would allow players to take down some of the ganking ships required for a freighter or Orca have almost no impact on a couple of desi's... |
Charles Case
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
244
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Posted - 2012.12.01 11:10:00 -
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I'm going to stop fitting a cloak now.
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Dave stark
Black Nova Corp. R O G U E
701
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Posted - 2012.12.01 11:16:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Blockade runners are blockade runners. What's not to get?
so, which ones are those? Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Pohbis
106
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Posted - 2012.12.01 11:17:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:What the two gentlemen and one other above have told you is correct. Finally you can enjoy cargo scan immunity on your invisible cloaked hauler. To be fair, it's pretty hard to cloak at the jita 4-4 undock
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Dave stark
Black Nova Corp. R O G U E
701
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Posted - 2012.12.01 11:23:00 -
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Pohbis wrote:Destination SkillQueue wrote:What the two gentlemen and one other above have told you is correct. Finally you can enjoy cargo scan immunity on your invisible cloaked hauler. To be fair, it's pretty hard to cloak at the jita 4-4 undock
undock bookmark. cloak. ??? profit. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
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Pohbis
106
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Posted - 2012.12.01 11:29:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:Pohbis wrote:Destination SkillQueue wrote:What the two gentlemen and one other above have told you is correct. Finally you can enjoy cargo scan immunity on your invisible cloaked hauler. To be fair, it's pretty hard to cloak at the jita 4-4 undock undock bookmark. cloak. ??? profit. open market screen read T2 industrial description ??? profit
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baltec1
Bat Country
2998
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Posted - 2012.12.01 11:32:00 -
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Not sure why they needed to do this given the blocade runner if used right cant be locked... |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
375
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Posted - 2012.12.01 11:40:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Not sure why they needed to do this given the blocade runner if used right cant be locked...
Because most people can't use it right of course. Anyway the real question is will it be scannable by customs? |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
1031
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Posted - 2012.12.01 11:45:00 -
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Yup. Bad idea (except for gankers).
They are normally pretty hard to catch, but even the best pilot will screw up in them once in a thousand times.
They used to be ignored as they were so hard to catch in space. But now there will most likely be a much more concerted effort to pop them now thay they 'may or may not' have valuable cargo.
especially with the presence of Tier 3 BCs, they are about the worst, least defensible ships in the game.
Another change not really thought through. It was an 'easy fix' for CCP instead of really looking at the mechanics...much less the mechanics of t2 ships that need re-balancing. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |
baltec1
Bat Country
2998
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Posted - 2012.12.01 11:52:00 -
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Doddy wrote:Anyway the real question is will it be scannable by customs?
Would have thought so. |
Trdina Rasputin
Man-dingo
7
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Posted - 2012.12.01 11:54:00 -
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Can CONCORD still scan blockade runner? I mean custom office. |
Steijn
Quay Industries CAStabouts
193
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Posted - 2012.12.01 12:03:00 -
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Doddy wrote:baltec1 wrote:Not sure why they needed to do this given the blocade runner if used right cant be locked... Because most people can't use it right of course. Anyway the real question is will it be scannable by customs?
yes they can re.CCP in i think it was the patch notes thread. |
Irya Boone
Escadron leader
71
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Posted - 2012.12.01 12:04:00 -
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i hope concord can't scan... i've got some hummm sugar to haul Improve C2 class WH More anos more signs ...RENAME null sec system With the name Of REAL Universe Stellar Name like KOI-730 etc etc It xill be awesome-á |
James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1371
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Posted - 2012.12.01 12:17:00 -
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I don't get what the point is. If
Oh damn, baltec1 said it already. -áObjects in mirror are redder than they appear. |
Fryhilda
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.12.01 12:45:00 -
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You can tank it up to 40k EHP or so. And go AFK on autopilot with it with no fear of being scanned. |
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NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
52
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Posted - 2012.12.01 12:51:00 -
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i dont think this will do much in Jita. There is already a group treating them as split second skeet shots, when they get to actually dock. |
baltec1
Bat Country
2998
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Posted - 2012.12.01 14:45:00 -
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Steijn wrote:Doddy wrote:baltec1 wrote:Not sure why they needed to do this given the blocade runner if used right cant be locked... Because most people can't use it right of course. Anyway the real question is will it be scannable by customs? yes they can re.CCP in i think it was the patch notes thread.
In that case I wonder what this change is trying to fix. |
Bennet Am
Seekers of Oblivion
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Posted - 2012.12.01 14:47:00 -
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Not a well thought out idea.
I use a blockade runner to carry PI and other assets out of low sec to a trade hub.
Now my return trips are as risky as my drop offs, because people cannot see that I am empty. Eve is a game of numbers, and you just doubled my high risk jumps.
I'll adapt, but it just makes hauling assets out of low sec to a trade hub a pain in the ass.
Some of us operate in low sec and don't want to reship before we connect to the major trade routes.
If you are going to make this change then make the Primae a useful ship by making it more of a gate running PI hauler.
Add a high slot. Increase PI hold to 4000m3.
Add the following bonus -98.5% to -99.25% bonus per cloaking skill level to the CPU need of fitting a covert ops cloak.
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
10747
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Posted - 2012.12.01 14:49:00 -
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It's the most ridiculous change, I've seen made for some time tbh. It already had scan immunity with it's cloak.
Pointless change is pointless.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
1031
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Posted - 2012.12.01 14:53:00 -
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Bennet Am wrote: I'll adapt, but it just makes hauling assets out of low sec to a trade hub a pain in the ass.
Some of us operate in low sec and don't want to reship before we connect to the major trade routes.
Ironic that despite what CCP states as desires, they continue to make Low Sec even less appealing and more discouraging.
This is a terrible change, as I stated earlier. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
10747
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Posted - 2012.12.01 14:56:00 -
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Pohbis wrote:Destination SkillQueue wrote:What the two gentlemen and one other above have told you is correct. Finally you can enjoy cargo scan immunity on your invisible cloaked hauler. To be fair, it's pretty hard to cloak at the jita 4-4 undock Why would you even try?
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Irya Boone
Escadron leader
71
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Posted - 2012.12.01 14:57:00 -
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agree i think ccp want all of us live in high sec Improve C2 class WH More anos more signs ...RENAME null sec system With the name Of REAL Universe Stellar Name like KOI-730 etc etc It xill be awesome-á |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
1031
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Posted - 2012.12.01 15:01:00 -
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As usual, Jester hit the nail on the head with this one.
http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2012/11/plastic-wrap-all-things.html RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |
Alara IonStorm
3629
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Posted - 2012.12.01 15:01:00 -
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Think they should have extended it to both Transport types.
I hope they redue T1 Haulers with specific roles though difficult due to the lopsided ship distribution.
My thoughts on that in general are posted here. |
Amber Coldheart
State War Academy Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2012.12.01 15:03:00 -
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Jacob Holland wrote: Blockade Runners in Empire are often used for high value cargo anyway and their high skill requirements and low payoff (hauler [5] only gives you freighters and T2 haulers) probably means that the majority of them operating exclusively in Empire have been bought specifically for that purpose...
I have 2 Viators, and use them exclusively to pick up/move stuff. Not expensive stuff per se, its just a very handy ship due to its speed and agility if you need to pick up something bigger than what'll fit in a frigate hold.
Or rather, it used to be, think i'll be somewhat careful around market hubs now :)
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