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Placatio	Posted - 2005.05.03 04:08:00 - [1] I've now been in four parts of space and ganked in 3/5 missions into 0.0 space. Do you have to be a sociopath? Stain and Imperium have both ganked me. All I tried to do was talk and they wouldn't even communicate their policy. The second of the five missions was in Stain space where one of them said, "Leave, you're making my friend nervous". I did. THIS is the point? After about a year, I have two accounts and 1.5 or so billion isk. I just want to friggin see what's out there. Who will allow me to look around (even escorted)?
ollobrains	Posted - 2005.05.03 04:14:00 - [2] lol BMs ? you using instas out there - that slows those pesky stain guys down (lol no offense to stain etc) That said once you get past the gate camps - keep moving around sure theres stuff out there you need to be a) careful b) find a planet and log off at sign of any trouble c) all else fails join their alliances. d) post on this forum where they are hiding and encourage the bounty hunter corps to deal with em - they are always looking for a kill.
Placatio	Posted - 2005.05.03 04:18:00 - [3] If the only way is instajumps and logoffs, then I quit already. So sociopath or cheater is it?
Istvaan Shogaatsu	Posted - 2005.05.03 04:19:00 - [4] I enjoy that you equate any play style that deviates from your own with sociopathy. You are why hurting carebears is so funny and cool.
Placatio	Posted - 2005.05.03 04:23:00 - [5] I'm merely asking how I get into it. I've gone into 0.0 and asked calmly and even defenselessly at a gate and just been shot. That's cool and fun for you?
Placatio	Posted - 2005.05.03 04:23:00 - [6] And are you saying that logging and instajumps are somehow less Care-bear-ee?
ollobrains	Posted - 2005.05.03 04:24:00 - [7] as CCP says "the tools are there make use of em" hence instajumps and logoffs are there for the carebear and those not wanting to get ganked hence if it is in the game it is ok to use it. Lol if you just want to PVP well build a corp of bounty hunters and PVP players get out to the gate camps and blow up some of those nasty 0.0 types lol.
ollobrains	Posted - 2005.05.03 04:25:00 - [8] hint now take a target painter does more damage.
hyundra04	Posted - 2005.05.03 04:33:00 - [9] Edited by: hyundra04 on 03/05/2005 04:36:48 I promise you, it aint that exciting in 0.0. there are madmen out there and there are some good guys too. i wouldnt shoot you just cos you are there for example. ( but i am rare ) why not join up with a 0.0 corp and see for yourself. you will find though that you have to follow those that camp gates and shoot first, ask questions later type of people. it is just the way it is out there. oh i dont shoot first, but will always shoot if shot at... And also you can buy passes to explore some parts of 0.0. but you cant do stuff like mine on these passes. with a pass all the allies of that corp that gave you a pass will leave you alone. and if one kills ya the ceo of the corp will reimberse you usualy... convo if ya want to give it a go ill ask for ya
Placatio	Posted - 2005.05.03 04:36:00 - [10] Well, an Alt telling me to cheat, some guy making fun of me and now some advice. I appreciate it. Any more?
hyundra04	Posted - 2005.05.03 04:37:00 - [11] Edited by: hyundra04 on 03/05/2005 04:37:40 lol i updated the last one
Selim	Posted - 2005.05.03 04:37:00 - [12] Since when is 0.0 an verb/action? "Hey man, I'm going to go do some 0.0ing today, wanna come?" Anyway, stain and imperium (and indeed, all the territorial alliances) are composed primarily of 1337 d00dz that don't even think before shooting, your best bet is to do the same back. They arent gonna be chivalrous about it because that isnt their character. It would be more interesting if they were but its not. If you want to see what is in 0.0, just look at niyabainen, and then remove all the ravens and stations. There's nothing interesting to see, nothing overly interesting to do. But for clarification, not all pvpers are sociopaths, but most sociopaths are pvpers.
ollobrains	Posted - 2005.05.03 04:38:00 - [13] Edited by: ollobrains on 03/05/2005 04:39:44 For the record this is my only character in the game lol i am not an alt - CCP can check up and confirm that lol Just basic advice instas and logoff are in the game are not considered exploits so use em wherever you are threatened - this goes to all players. Until they are actually changed use em to the max and annoy those pesky gatecampers. Edit : if you want to do some ratting out there you get bigger spawns etc more often and more chance of rare item and faction loot drops - problem is getting it out - hint do several trips and drop some sec anchor cans with ammo etc.
hyundra04	Posted - 2005.05.03 04:41:00 - [14] Well logoffs couldnt be changed could they? ( just a thought )
Placatio	Posted - 2005.05.03 04:44:00 - [15] Hyundra04, I tried, you aren't playing right now :) Just kidding and thanks for the help. Ollo, my apologies. I didn't see race/corp info so I assumed incorrectly. I still think your suggested tactics undermine the wellbeing of the game. Why I care, I can't tell you. I'm just that way in MMOG's. Selim, I am close to joining the anti-space. The rest seem intent to be tough over being social.
Vex Seraphim	Posted - 2005.05.03 04:44:00 - [16] Originally by: Placatio I've now been in four parts of space and ganked in 3/5 missions into 0.0 space. Do you have to be a sociopath? Stain and Imperium have both ganked me. All I tried to do was talk and they wouldn't even communicate their policy. The second of the five missions was in Stain space where one of them said, "Leave, you're making my friend nervous". I did. THIS is the point? After about a year, I have two accounts and 1.5 or so billion isk. I just want to friggin see what's out there. Who will allow me to look around (even escorted)? There is nothing there that you haven't seen already. But if you're really curious, just get yourself an interceptor and fly in. Oh and, give that billion to me, would you? ------------------- :: finite horizon :: killboard :: :: bio :: blog ::
ollobrains	Posted - 2005.05.03 04:46:00 - [17] thats ok guys just a few posters have accused me in recent weeks of being an alt and just getting a bit annoyed over it. That said until these things are fixed (im all for log off and instas being fixed) then you may as well use em if being ganked in 0.0 space is becoming an issue - the tools are there why not use em - despite it being annoying.
hyundra04	Posted - 2005.05.03 04:48:00 - [18] These guys are right. there is little to see. 0.0 is for rare ore and killing rats for good bounties. oh and the stuff they drop. ( was on line but got kicked for some reason while reading this. am on now) still. give it a go you been on ages so your skills should be quite good and any 0.0 corp would be foolosh to turn you down. happy playing.
Vex Seraphim	Posted - 2005.05.03 04:48:00 - [19] There is almost no chance of unwillingly dying in 0.0 in an interceptor. ------------------- :: finite horizon :: killboard :: :: bio :: blog ::
ollobrains	Posted - 2005.05.03 04:56:00 - [20] as u said yuo have 1.5B henceforth if you head out there and find a nice moon when ready to stop playing log off - when you wake up etc log back on - just float around out there until youve killed enough rats, got enough special loot or whatever then try to fly back. Other option is join a 0.0 corp or alliance - with such a long time playing those alliances and corps are always looking for new members esp if you can make a valid contribution, act as a pick up truck once a week with empire goods. (if you aint into PVP) - otherwise join a PVP corp in the low sec systems - there are a few that like to hit gate campers at the choke points - keeps those deep corps from getting too complaceant.
Placatio	Posted - 2005.05.03 05:04:00 - [21] Originally by: Vex Seraphim There is almost no chance of unwillingly dying in 0.0 in an interceptor. Then CCP needs to hammer the interceptor :) Let me ask you guys a more direct question. Which is more true: a) there is no good reason to go 0.0, or b) you have to be a carebear not to be in 0.0
hyundra04	Posted - 2005.05.03 05:09:00 - [22] lol
Vex Seraphim	Posted - 2005.05.03 05:10:00 - [23] Edited by: Vex Seraphim on 03/05/2005 05:10:31 c) You have to be really bored and/or curious to go to 0.0 c.5) for your god's sake, don't be afraid to die ------------------- :: finite horizon :: killboard :: :: bio :: blog ::
Viceroy	Posted - 2005.05.03 05:22:00 - [24] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu I enjoy that you equate any play style that deviates from your own with sociopathy. You are why hurting carebears is so funny and cool. -
DrunkenOne	Posted - 2005.05.03 05:32:00 - [25] the real question is, why would you even want to come to 0.0 if not to pvp? Theres certainly no other reason to be here at the moment. It used to be that everyone in an empire corp would dream of getting to 0.0, of the uber ore, the uber npcing, etc. Now, you have people in 0.0 dreaming of having the standings to do lvl 4s safely in empire. If you wanna pvp, get together some people in your corp, put em in BS, look and find a chokepoint where there isnt a huge blob/lots killed in last hour, and fight whoever is there. If you dont wanna pvp... keep doing missions. I'm sure that big fat wallet is making you feel uber.
Face Lifter	Posted - 2005.05.03 05:46:00 - [26] Ok, first of all there is nothing special to "see" in 0.0 The main reason you should go there is to fight other people The most important advice: don't try to solo. Team work is very important in stuff like this.
Harakiri	Posted - 2005.05.03 06:00:00 - [27] Yep Im a sociopath ... wait! uhm! Basically all 0.0 space is claimed by one or several alliances , they kill everyone who isnt their friends. You better make friends with the alliances before going there , some even sell hunting passes. Even then you cant be sure cause cause most of the alliances have enemies roaming around looking for cheap ganks. Sure you can go there but be prepared to be killed anytime.
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.05.03 06:25:00 - [28] And they all ***** on why not enough people come to 0.0 Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri -The Frig-
Nicholai Pestot	Posted - 2005.05.03 06:29:00 - [29] With the number of alt scouts and spies, the alliances are forced to adopt a 'if it aint blue, shoot it' policy. Sure, you can convo them, and ask them to escort you around, but so can an alt spy. It is normally quite obvious where an alliances borders are (there is a territorial map in these forums, and many alliances anchor cans with 'this is our space' on them). If you cross these, THEN ask for permission to be there, you are simply going to be destroyed. I would suggest in future you ask ahead of time so that the command of whatever alliance you are talking to has a chance to make a ruling on your behalf. If you really are just mission running and can prove without resonable doubt that you are not an alt, some groups will provide you with a pass. As to whats out in 0.0? Simple. Total freedom.Without barrier or limit other than what you are strong enough to do. I have supped the milk of human kindness, and discovered i am lactose intolerant
Mortuus	Posted - 2005.05.03 06:37:00 - [30] If you are really that interested I would suggest contacting the alliances official reps. For the PA you can find all that info on our lovely website. www.newvenal.org Other than that just fly a frigate, its not hard to dodge around alliances much and thats why we adopt the "if its not blue shoot it", taking time to check and talk could be the difference between spies/pirates/whoever entering your space. And ignore Selim, JF are nothing more than anarchist vagabonds.
Sybylle	Posted - 2005.05.03 06:43:00 - [31] Originally by: Placatio Originally by: Vex Seraphim There is almost no chance of unwillingly dying in 0.0 in an interceptor. Then CCP needs to hammer the interceptor :) Let me ask you guys a more direct question. Which is more true: a) there is no good reason to go 0.0, or b) you have to be a carebear not to be in 0.0 The best reason to be in 0.0 is to have access to hight end mineral. This also is IMHO the only reason, as you cannot control easily the traffic in the claimed region, unless you have loads of PvPers dedicated to that. 0.0 now looks like empire, with less station (that can be conquered both by you and/or your ennemies), less facilities (that you loses if the station in conquered), no agents (but many NPCs, with crappy loots and few systems with high-end spawns). Frankly, 0.0 IMO is useless, except if you want to have your own "home" perpetually harrased by ->insert harasser here<-. All you need is in empire. All that can be produced is in empire. The first reason to be in 0.0 was ore (and nobody can deny this). Afterwards, until CCP doesn't improves it or until they nerf empire space , 0.0 won't be anything else a big mega/zyd stockpile surrounded by pirates... And remember, if you are afraid to die and loose stuff, 0.0 isn't for you On a side note, the last patch improved a bit stations in 0.0, making them even more desirable. This is definitly what you have to fight for when you are part of an alliance. (\_/) (O.o) (> <)=Oveur (proof) "Jumping 50 systems I can like, have sex 150 times during that period"
Blacklight	Posted - 2005.05.03 06:46:00 - [32] So you really want to get into 0.0? Eve Blacklight Style
Sakura Yoshida	Posted - 2005.05.03 06:51:00 - [33] getting into 0.0 is simple in anything smaller than a cruiser, the trouble is, there's not much to do in there in anything less than a cruiser :P i snuck in in my kestrel with a few warp stabilizers, got past a bunch of people trying to scramble me, and made it into deep 0.0, i just flew around for a while, checking out rats and stuff. then one day, a person called the countess comes in, and tells me to leave the system, saying it's PA territory, so i say ok, and ask where the nearest non-PA system is, she tells me, so i start to head there, and she's sitting at the gate, 25km away, with a raven, after a few seconds, she locks on, and fires 6 torpedos at me, even though i was politely following orders :P, i manage to get a few light missiles off at her, but as soon as the torps hit, my ship explodes and i'm in a pod :P i made it through 30 jumps in 0.0 in a pod, and survived :D made it back to my ship, and headed down to corp HQ to start helping them with stuff again. when i get a bit more money, i plan on going back to 0.0 in a frigate again, i'm not an aggressive PvPer, so i won't fire first, but i absolutely love the feeling of nervousness you get from being in space where you can be killed at any time ;) so, if you wanna go through 0.0 safely, just get a little frigate with a few WCSs :) I like drawing www.technoweyr.co.uk/~stush :D
hyundra04	Posted - 2005.05.03 07:15:00 - [34] Originally by: Nicholai Pestot With the number of alt scouts and spies, the alliances are forced to adopt a 'if it aint blue, shoot it' policy. Sure, you can convo them, and ask them to escort you around, but so can an alt spy. It is normally quite obvious where an alliances borders are (there is a territorial map in these forums, and many alliances anchor cans with 'this is our space' on them). If you cross these, THEN ask for permission to be there, you are simply going to be destroyed. I would suggest in future you ask ahead of time so that the command of whatever alliance you are talking to has a chance to make a ruling on your behalf. If you really are just mission running and can prove without resonable doubt that you are not an alt, some groups will provide you with a pass. As to whats out in 0.0? Simple. Total freedom.Without barrier or limit other than what you are strong enough to do. good answer
Darken Two	Posted - 2005.05.03 07:46:00 - [35] So you've played the game for a long long time and still don't have a single friend who has access to 0.0. Kinda tells me you never bothered making any friends. I Wonder who the sociopath is. And Selim quit your whining. Just because someone doesn't play the game you and JF want it, doesnt mean they are l337 speaking retards. Oh and btw regurgitating half the dictionary every time you post, does not make you an intellectual. Most of us had better things to do in University than major in English literature. Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
Discorporation	Posted - 2005.05.03 07:49:00 - [36] No, you don't have to be a sociopath to go into 0.0. [Heterocephalus glaber]
Ticondrius	Posted - 2005.05.03 07:59:00 - [37] Edited by: Ticondrius on 03/05/2005 07:59:54 * checks forum name. Yup, still EVE General, thought I'd wandered into the corp and alliances summit or something. 0.0 is all super unstable atm. Pretty much anyone will shoot anyone not on their friends list...which seems to change almost daily at random. It's not full of psychos, but it is full of paranoid pilots with a LOT of guns. It took me some 2-3 weeks in empire to not get nervous when approaching a gate after I left the 0.0 grind. Unless you want to shoot people, not much out there to see besides some rarer ores and the occasional big battle (if one side or the other doesn't insta-safespot and log off...-_-) "If I'm brutally honest and it offends you, that's not my fault." (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
Dianabolic	Posted - 2005.05.03 08:30:00 - [38] Originally by: Discorporation No, you don't have to be a sociopath to go into 0.0. But it sure helps?
Selim	Posted - 2005.05.03 08:30:00 - [39] Originally by: Darken Two So you've played the game for a long long time and still don't have a single friend who has access to 0.0. Kinda tells me you never bothered making any friends. I Wonder who the sociopath is. And Selim quit your whining. Just because someone doesn't play the game you and JF want it, doesnt mean they are l337 speaking retards. Oh and btw regurgitating half the dictionary every time you post, does not make you an intellectual. Most of us had better things to do in University than major in English literature. Someone has a grudge!
Darkwolf	Posted - 2005.05.03 08:34:00 - [40] Originally by: Placatio I've now been in four parts of space and ganked in 3/5 missions into 0.0 space. Do you have to be a sociopath? Stain and Imperium have both ganked me. All I tried to do was talk and they wouldn't even communicate their policy. To put it simply, you trespassed on Alliance space, so you paid the penalty. I know it isn't nice, but the thing is, Alliance defenders spend all their guard time dealing with spies, invaders, enemies, and people who just yap to buy themselves time to get recon data, so they tend to just shoot first, and leave the talking for later. Their policy was communicated to you. With gunfire.
Selim	Posted - 2005.05.03 08:41:00 - [41] Originally by: Mortuus And ignore Selim, JF are nothing more than anarchist vagabonds. Perhaps, but we do keep our word. PA, in contrast, absolutely love to sign treaties, only to break them days later without warning. Consistency is best - I'd sooner dine with Istvaan Shogaatsu than Raven deBlade.
Darken Two	Posted - 2005.05.03 09:38:00 - [42] Originally by: Selim Originally by: Darken Two So you've played the game for a long long time and still don't have a single friend who has access to 0.0. Kinda tells me you never bothered making any friends. I Wonder who the sociopath is. And Selim quit your whining. Just because someone doesn't play the game you and JF want it, doesnt mean they are l337 speaking retards. Oh and btw regurgitating half the dictionary every time you post, does not make you an intellectual. Most of us had better things to do in University than major in English literature. Someone has a grudge! Why would I have a grudge against you. All your posts are similarly idiotic. Its either boost minmatar ships or nerf all other ships or all alliances are bad. Most of your posts are just pure drivel that stinks of a man who doesnt think before he posts. As for the PA breaking their word and stuff, PA aren't the ones who made an entity called NCA apromising one thing and then bailed on it and pretended they knew nothing about what was going on. And its very easy to say you aren't involved in politics once you lose a war and withdraw into your hole. Ps. This is in no way intended at anyone else in JF just at Selim for his idiotic rants. Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
Mindblank	Posted - 2005.05.03 10:59:00 - [43] Originally by: Selim Originally by: Mortuus And ignore Selim, JF are nothing more than anarchist vagabonds. Perhaps, but we do keep our word. PA, in contrast, absolutely love to sign treaties, only to break them days later without warning. Consistency is best - I'd sooner dine with Istvaan Shogaatsu than Raven deBlade. Raven DeBlade is a honorable man who ALWAYS sticks to his principles. However, he's not much into political conspiracy, which makes him quite different from JF. I don't know what treaties you're referring to, but there is, as always, two perspectives (at least) on how things are viewed.
Sergeant Spot	Posted - 2005.05.03 11:17:00 - [44] Originally by: Placatio I've now been in four parts of space and ganked in 3/5 missions into 0.0 space. Do you have to be a sociopath? Stain and Imperium have both ganked me. All I tried to do was talk and they wouldn't even communicate their policy. The second of the five missions was in Stain space where one of them said, "Leave, you're making my friend nervous". I did. THIS is the point? After about a year, I have two accounts and 1.5 or so billion isk. I just want to friggin see what's out there. Who will allow me to look around (even escorted)? I'm probably one of the less aggressive players in Eve, but if I were in a 0.0 alliance, and if policy was to shoot unknowns (and it usually is policy), I would do just that. If you go to 0.0 expecting folks that you leave alone to leave you alone, you'll be disappointed. EXPECT all unknown players you see to try and pod kill you (not all of them will make the attempt, but some will). If I'm making my own policy, I tend to leave folks alone who leave me alone, but in 0.0, paranoia shoudl be in high gear at all times. They are out to kill you.
Swan Filters	Posted - 2005.05.03 11:23:00 - [45] Although I do find the fact that 0.0 is dangerous hugely annoying, well, you can't really complain about it, can you? In RL, you wouldn't go on a solo hike in the Columbian mountains, would you? Or on a desert safari jolly in Iraq. It would just be stupid. 0.0 is just the EVE version of this RL danger. Okay, so you might want to explore and see the pretty mountains and camels, but go prepared and don't do anything naive. What I think could be changed, however (as I think even the EVE universe should make sense), is that SURELY the Law, if they noticed lots of people being killed in the same area, would quickly send in a military convoy to sort out the bad guys? I don't care if CONCORD is supposed to have a laissez faire approach to peacekeeping, this DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. Any law agency is supposed to protect those members of society who uphold the law (within their area of jurisdiction). At the very least, this would mean that gatecamps and chokepoints would have to move around, allowing safe(r) transit for short periods through systems. Perhaps a player with more resources than I have should set up a corp that clears these troublesome zones? I'm not asking for the game to be made easier, just to make a little bit more sense...
Blacklight	Posted - 2005.05.03 11:28:00 - [46] So long as Concord drop good loot they can bring it. Eve Blacklight Style
Xurx	Posted - 2005.05.03 11:29:00 - [47] Edited by: Xurx on 03/05/2005 11:29:41 They Claim this space, and can do whatever they want in it, that's why it's called 0.0 If you have a problem with it, you can a) never enter their territory or b) join them or c) kill em all
Nero Scuro	Posted - 2005.05.03 11:57:00 - [48] You don't have to be a sociopath to be in 0.0, but it helps! ... Sorry, I couldn't resist... ---------------- Haha, stupid monkey! Now I'VE got the Oscar! Enjoy your worthless gun!
Tairos Hakonnus	Posted - 2005.05.03 12:03:00 - [49] LOL ---------------------------- http://spla.sh/bp/bp_files/main.htm
Ikvar	Posted - 2005.05.03 12:26:00 - [50] 0.0 is a combat area, don't whine when you get shot _________________
Damajink	Posted - 2005.05.03 12:36:00 - [51] Give me all your money and I'll let you in
DukDodgerz	Posted - 2005.05.03 13:00:00 - [52] Originally by: Placatio Well, an Alt telling me to cheat, some guy making fun of me and now some advice. I appreciate it. Any more? no one has said to cheat! Buy instas, join a 0.0 corp, get a pass... top thing to do, stop whining... ...when you have 1.5 billion isk and are to cowardly to risk a ship and clone...jeeeez.
Bonaventure Augustine	Posted - 2005.05.03 15:11:00 - [53] Originally by: Ikvar 0.0 is a combat area... No, its 70% of the map controlled by 7% of the player base, and not because they work for it. The alliances don't control regions to sustain their alliances, they do it for the prestige and to have 4000 systems to skirmish in. Hundreds of corps that could use that space productively are cut out. Heck, half the time alliances are fighting in empire and running lvl4 missions themselves. I think the hope of most carebears is that the NWO is going to make it impossible for alliances to lay claim to entire regions thanks to five guys guarding one gate; so that if you want to kill a mining corp convoy they actually have to get off their butts and give chase instead of herding folks through chokepoints.
Placatio	Posted - 2005.05.03 15:16:00 - [54] Originally by: DukDodgerz no one has said to cheat! Buy instas, join a 0.0 corp, get a pass... top thing to do, stop whining... ...when you have 1.5 billion isk and are to cowardly to risk a ship and clone...jeeeez. To me, logging off is cheating. I guess not to you. I wasn't trying to whine, but I'll try a little harder :) "Too" cowardly? Again, I didn't attempt to log. Although my computer did lock up after I was podded. I waited a full two minutes in black screen at my "home" before rebooting. And whining, I guess :D
Placatio	Posted - 2005.05.03 15:17:00 - [55] Bonaventure, heckuva post. Thanks for saying it far more eloquently than I'm capable of doing.
Des gamelona	Posted - 2005.05.03 15:21:00 - [56] My two cents: I really don't have any issues with the way people currently play in zero. To me, the real problem rests in the mechanics of 0.0 exit and entry. It's a joke that five guys can camp a choke point to 500 systems. There should be a million ways in and out of 0.0. If you want to 'claim' it then you should be able to defend it. I also shouldn't be forced to join a mega-corporation or an Alliance of day-one players to get access to 80% of the game world. Again just my 2 cents.
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2005.05.03 15:58:00 - [57] You join me on the sideline waiting for CCP to get their heads out of their asses to nerf the map and make 0.0 the great big unknown as I'm sure they intended before they got all furry with it... Convert Stations
Sochin	Posted - 2005.05.03 18:00:00 - [58] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu I enjoy that you equate any play style that deviates from your own with sociopathy. You are why hurting carebears is so funny and cool. Bahahah I love you Istvaan That was so well put Nemo me impune lacessit
Flyyn	Posted - 2005.05.03 18:36:00 - [59] The best way to get into 0.0 is just before down time or just after. Go to the nearest empire station, get a hauler and haul a shuttle there if one is not available on the market. Take a couple of days to look around during just before and just after down time, see where the camp at. If you can get a set of BM's, if not DO NOT USE AUTO PILOT!!!! set a course and go one system at a time. Once you jump in random warp to any moon or planet. Use f-11 to look around, always warp to next gate from random direction/moon/planet. They cant camp all approaches with out lots of help. Would say use local/and map but the "Gate Campers" cryed to much. If your going to just look and not fight/mine fit as many WCS as you can in lower slots, and ECM in mid slots. Now before you start dont forget your clone...
Bat Masterson	Posted - 2005.05.03 18:47:00 - [60] Quote: Do you have to be a sociopath to 0.0? AKA: "I stupidly put myself in a situation I wasn't prepared for and lost my ship and now I'm bitter about it so I am going to belittle others in order to justify my sucking to myself. I'm not good at PvP and continue to play the game despite what the freaking box said would be a part of the game. When I am upset about something I resort to namecalling." You didn't have to go to 0.0, nobody twisted your arm. The fact that you weren't prepared isn't anyone's fault but your own. You are perhaps the most despicable type of player in Eve: the kind who dies and blames all others first. Ask in the Eve Help Channel, it's common knowledge, even to noobs, that 0.0 is dangerous. The fact that you thought you could go there, without going through proper channels, and not get shot, speaks volumes of your knowledge of the game. I pitty you for playing so long and being so inept. Your IQ must be similar to that of a doorknob. Given what I've outlined for you, that you cannot accept blame for your own problems, and resort to childish name calling when upset, plus an inability to learn anything over a long period of time, did you stop to think that it's possible that you are the sociopath, or the one with pyschological issues? Good day.
Trevedian	Posted - 2005.05.03 18:55:00 - [61] U don't need to be a sociopath to be in 0.0, but it helps... Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
Selim	Posted - 2005.05.03 19:07:00 - [62] Originally by: Mindblank Originally by: Selim Originally by: Mortuus And ignore Selim, JF are nothing more than anarchist vagabonds. Perhaps, but we do keep our word. PA, in contrast, absolutely love to sign treaties, only to break them days later without warning. Consistency is best - I'd sooner dine with Istvaan Shogaatsu than Raven deBlade. Raven DeBlade is a honorable man who ALWAYS sticks to his principles. However, he's not much into political conspiracy, which makes him quite different from JF. I don't know what treaties you're referring to, but there is, as always, two perspectives (at least) on how things are viewed. He doesn't do a good job of reeling in all the ****s in the PA, though - you have some fine folk in the PA, but the sour apples ruin it all.
Darken Two	Posted - 2005.05.03 19:22:00 - [63] Originally by: Selim Originally by: Mindblank Originally by: Selim Originally by: Mortuus And ignore Selim, JF are nothing more than anarchist vagabonds. Perhaps, but we do keep our word. PA, in contrast, absolutely love to sign treaties, only to break them days later without warning. Consistency is best - I'd sooner dine with Istvaan Shogaatsu than Raven deBlade. Raven DeBlade is a honorable man who ALWAYS sticks to his principles. However, he's not much into political conspiracy, which makes him quite different from JF. I don't know what treaties you're referring to, but there is, as always, two perspectives (at least) on how things are viewed. He doesn't do a good job of reeling in all the ****s in the PA, though - you have some fine folk in the PA, but the sour apples ruin it all. Selim, what is your obsession with the PA? Its not like JF and your Star Fraction is comprised of the most likeable people in the galaxy eh? I bet a lot more people like PA than they do JF and thats gotta mean sumin doesnt it. Oh wait I'm not PA anymore, but I like sticking up for them. They are fine fellows. Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
Albus	Posted - 2005.05.03 19:24:00 - [64] Originally by: Bonaventure Augustine Originally by: Ikvar 0.0 is a combat area... No, its 70% of the map controlled by 7% of the player base, and not because they work for it. The alliances don't control regions to sustain their alliances, they do it for the prestige and to have 4000 systems to skirmish in. Hundreds of corps that could use that space productively are cut out. Heck, half the time alliances are fighting in empire and running lvl4 missions themselves. I think the hope of most carebears is that the NWO is going to make it impossible for alliances to lay claim to entire regions thanks to five guys guarding one gate; so that if you want to kill a mining corp convoy they actually have to get off their butts and give chase instead of herding folks through chokepoints. Any corp that can't muster enough people to scare away 5 gate campers doesn't deserve to be in 0.0. Get a gang together, kick their butts and then go have a look around. To paraphrase you, hundreds of corps that could use that space productively are cut out cos they can't be arsed to make the effort and want it all handed to them on a plate. 0.0 is about teamwork, if you can't work as a team then stay in empire where you belong.
Saladin	Posted - 2005.05.03 20:18:00 - [65] Placatio would you pay money for people to take you into 0.0 and watch your back while you do missions? I have been giving some thought to opening a 'safari-tour' type business where we escrot people who have never been to 0.0. The services would be structured in the form of: 1. Training of basic evasion and pvp techniques in low sec empire space. Training would include getting chased by our associates in a controlled environment and see if you can avoid getting ganked. 2. After one week of (1), you come down into 0.0 with us and we can hook you up with a covert op frig with cloak, so you can watch what happens in different systems in relative safety. 3. Alternative to (2). You can take a more active role and kill people we have webbed. scrambled and jammed and generally served up on a platter. The corpse would look good on the wall in your Yulai flat. Would be a nice conversation piece with the Amarrian Ambassador to Concord. 4. Locate some of the really mean npc spawns for you. You're a rich man, when you travel to 0.0 space you need to do it in style. --------------------------- (c) Copyright Saladin, 2005. Any editing of this post by a third party will be in violation United States Internet Copyright law 46525 of 2003.
Bedrock	Posted - 2005.05.03 20:25:00 - [66] Originally by: Placatio I'm merely asking how I get into it. I've gone into 0.0 and asked calmly and even defenselessly at a gate and just been shot. That's cool and fun for you? Its called networking. Getting involved with alliances, joining a corporation that is already in the alliance. 0.0 is not for single individuals to simply fulfill their curiosity. Perhaps if you had enough corp-mates you guys can do it without any policy and (turn into pirates). ---------------------------------------------- [apparent-dreams.com]
Suze'Rain	Posted - 2005.05.03 20:59:00 - [67] Originally by: Saladin I have been giving some thought to opening a 'safari-tour' type business where we escrot people who have never been to 0.0. You're a rich man, when you travel to 0.0 space you need to do it in style. Saladin, I don;t know if it'd be possible, but it's a wonderfully surreal image. Pith helmets and Tea on the savannah, old chaps? "jolly good shot old chap. bagged yourself a battleship captain, what oh?" ___________ back on-topic, the only bit of the 0.0 "sociopaths" I've had objection with is on trying to contact a few to get requests of info, and having been completely ignored - does'nt take much common courtesy for "PR" to say no, osrry, not interested, or no, that's not possible. Equally, I contacted Imperium Alliance for an event, for Eve-Radio, and the response was superb - decent people all around, so, I suppose it's fair to say that it depends on who you meet. Course, if I'd gone in without contacting them, I expect I'd have been blown out of the sky... so it's down to how you deal with people, I suspect.
Selim	Posted - 2005.05.03 21:08:00 - [68] Darken, I think you'll find that you and Mortuus brought me and JF up in this conversation - I didn't start it. And honestly, you're the one with that is obsessed with jericho. Turning this thread into a popularity contest is stupid, the guy wanted to know what makes people in 0.0 tick and I told him how it is, you have to kill or be killed.
Crzycnck2	Posted - 2005.05.03 22:38:00 - [69] Originally by: ollobrains Edited by: ollobrains on 03/05/2005 04:39:44 Just basic advice instas and logoff are in the game are not considered exploits so use em wherever you are threatened - this goes to all players. Until they are actually changed use em to the max and annoy those pesky gatecampers. Instas are a good thing.. logging off is so F@#KING LAME!!! anyone that loggs off shouldn't be in 0.0. just means you can't handle it. FIX FTW
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2005.05.03 23:17:00 - [70] Why is it that every time someone posts on a subject that's got something to do with people shooting at eachother that we end up in the usual 'griefer' versus 'carebear' arguments ? I thought it was quite clear now that there is no such distinction ? As for gatecamping getting ended, let me assure you that 100 new entrances to 0.0 from secure space will have only a very limited effect. Combine it with a possible nerf of logging off in combat (is bound to happen sooner or later), and you will get killed regardless, just by people movign about instead of sitting still. The only way to survive here is to smarten up. And that is exactly ike it should be. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Fellhand	Posted - 2005.05.03 23:30:00 - [71] Sociopath? No. Ruthless? Oh yes... _______________________________________________ There is no such thing as too much cynicism Flame me if you wish, I laugh with scorn at threats... Beware of geeks bearing gifs
Ronzap	Posted - 2005.05.04 00:12:00 - [72] I've found 0.0 to be fairly safe once you get past the choke points, you can find instas on escrow most of the time, or perhaps someone in your corp might have some, but really they're only absolutely needed at the chokepoints... the majority of systems don't seem to have anyone in them anyway. You can always build your own, especially if you logon just before or after downtime.
Fellhand	Posted - 2005.05.04 00:37:00 - [73] Originally by: Ronzap I've found 0.0 to be fairly safe once you get past the choke points, you can find instas on escrow most of the time, or perhaps someone in your corp might have some, but really they're only absolutely needed at the chokepoints... the majority of systems don't seem to have anyone in them anyway. With the exception of the really juicy systems. Even in 0.0, systems with things like Merc, Ark or Bist aren't all that common and they're usually heavily trafficed by both alliance players and raiders. _______________________________________________ There is no such thing as too much cynicism Flame me if you wish, I laugh with scorn at threats... Beware of geeks bearing gifs
Nafri	Posted - 2005.05.04 00:54:00 - [74] syndicate is the place to go! Wanna fly with me?
Selim	Posted - 2005.05.04 02:27:00 - [75] Originally by: Nafri syndicate is the place to go! Yeah, syndicate is the best 0.0 region. Its got great npc's, awesome ore and its pirate free!
Darken Two	Posted - 2005.05.04 03:04:00 - [76] Originally by: Selim Darken, I think you'll find that you and Mortuus brought me and JF up in this conversation - I didn't start it. And honestly, you're the one with that is obsessed with jericho. Turning this thread into a popularity contest is stupid, the guy wanted to know what makes people in 0.0 tick and I told him how it is, you have to kill or be killed. When you make sweeping generalisations about everyone else in 0.0 other than your lot, what do you expect? I'll agree that all alliance are l337 d00dz if you agree you are a retard for making that generalisation. Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
spiritfa11	Posted - 2005.05.04 04:03:00 - [77] I live and die daily defending my little corner of space. Ill be damned if anyone is going to use it but my alliances mates or myself. --------------------- I'd like to do your sig. You may contact me in-game
Katamarino	Posted - 2005.05.04 12:40:00 - [78] Originally by: Selim Originally by: Nafri syndicate is the place to go! Yeah, syndicate is the best 0.0 region. Its got great npc's, awesome ore and its pirate free! Yup! And there are NO prepubescent mindless gankers in PF-346, EVER!
pershphanie	Posted - 2005.05.04 15:08:00 - [79] Why does everyone say sociopath like its a bad thing? I dont understand how this game is fun for anyone if you dont get to ruin someones day by blowing up their shiny new ships.

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