Originally by: Malken

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Originally by: Tholarim

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Edited by: Tholarim on 09/05/2005 09:59:00


Here you go again judging like you are the spokesperson of eve. We judged you since darth said it wasn't acceptable and the patriarch insisted with his moron excuse of splitting his keyboard in half. The fact that he did it twice in a couple of days made it more interesting. Also we were vocal about it cus we witnessed it ourselves. Now, we don't like the whole logging thing, even when performed by our allies. But since we didn't witness this one ourselves, and since we haven't heard his side of the story yet, we reserve judgement. Also since we know the shinra leadership, we know appropriate action will be taken if that is so needed.

And celes apoc calling other forum *****s? Kinda hypocrit since you even removed your corp name and sig to ensure ppl wouldn't automaticly link you to celes. I think tiwaz dart and you ptretty much cover every thread as well. A big playerbase comes with a bigger % of the total forum posters in this game. Our corp doesn't try to put restrictions on the amount of things i can do ingame or on the forums. Cus in the end, it's a game.

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i have as much power to judge anyone as you have so your judging of my post only validates it with your own reasoning.
as for my corp ticker and forum sig i havent been arsed to put it back in since i rejoined celest.
dont read to much in to my laziness on doing that.
i still need to make a new sig as i was bored of the old one.
btw, i never said anything about "forum *****s" i said "with all the 200+ something atuk spamming threads demanding bannings for people who used the logoff thingy ingame..."
dont try and put words in my mouth.
if you dont like my commenting then dont post crap and lies and dont have dual standards depending on who makes the error.
and yes it is a game yet your corp and its allies have taken the game way to seriously by demanding that people get banned from the game for logging off.
isnt that a bit to harsch as it is only a game?

btw.. thanks for keeping this thread alive so everyone can see that you and your allies have other standards when you are in error

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that makes you and your corp not look very good in the eyes of rest of eve

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Originally by: Hardin

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Edited by: Hardin on 09/05/2005 16:09:29


This is something which happened over a week ago.

We did not post it at the time but instead flagged it up to Shinra Directors as we wished Shinra to take some action over it.

However as far as we know no action has been taken - which is a shame! I have the utmost respect for the majority of Shinra Directors and Shinra pilots and their fighting capabilities - yet the actions of a few bad eggs can ruin the reputation of even the best corporations.

While no corporation can fully monitor or control all the actions of its members all the time (and as a CEO I know that only too well) it should be seen to take action when its members clearly step over the line deemed respectable behaviour.

I am attaching here a short FRAPS video (1.23 min) of an engagement with a Shinra member in R3-K7K. The video (and accompanying ventrilo commentary speaks for itself). The Shinra member had attacked a lone PIE BS in R3-K7K but did not know that two PIE cruisers were ready next door to lend aid.

The Video

Shinra - I apologise if you have taken action against this logger and simply forgot to inform us of it.

If that is the case then I shall remove this post and the video file...

If you haven't taken any action, or do not intend to, then it would be nice if you publicly state that. Then your corporation's position on 'loggers' will be perfectly clear and no one can accuse you of being hypocrites.

I am happy to say that this incident had a happy outcome. The 'logger' was caught and brought to justice by PIE the next day - karma if you will. Picture

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Originally by: Hardin

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Edited by: Hardin on 09/05/2005 16:09:29


This is something which happened over a week ago.

We did not post it at the time but instead flagged it up to Shinra Directors as we wished Shinra to take some action over it.

However as far as we know no action has been taken - which is a shame! I have the utmost respect for the majority of Shinra Directors and Shinra pilots and their fighting capabilities - yet the actions of a few bad eggs can ruin the reputation of even the best corporations.

While no corporation can fully monitor or control all the actions of its members all the time (and as a CEO I know that only too well) it should be seen to take action when its members clearly step over the line deemed respectable behaviour.

I am attaching here a short FRAPS video (1.23 min) of an engagement with a Shinra member in R3-K7K. The video (and accompanying ventrilo commentary speaks for itself). The Shinra member had attacked a lone PIE BS in R3-K7K but did not know that two PIE cruisers were ready next door to lend aid.

The Video

Shinra - I apologise if you have taken action against this logger and simply forgot to inform us of it.

If that is the case then I shall remove this post and the video file...

If you haven't taken any action, or do not intend to, then it would be nice if you publicly state that. Then your corporation's position on 'loggers' will be perfectly clear and no one can accuse you of being hypocrites.

I am happy to say that this incident had a happy outcome. The 'logger' was caught and brought to justice by PIE the next day - karma if you will. Picture

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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Oh I see. Its ok to log if its burn eden, but for anyone else that would be wrong! Glad we cleared that up.

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Originally by: Hardin

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Edited by: Hardin on 09/05/2005 16:09:29


This is something which happened over a week ago.

We did not post it at the time but instead flagged it up to Shinra Directors as we wished Shinra to take some action over it.

However as far as we know no action has been taken - which is a shame! I have the utmost respect for the majority of Shinra Directors and Shinra pilots and their fighting capabilities - yet the actions of a few bad eggs can ruin the reputation of even the best corporations.

While no corporation can fully monitor or control all the actions of its members all the time (and as a CEO I know that only too well) it should be seen to take action when its members clearly step over the line deemed respectable behaviour.

I am attaching here a short FRAPS video (1.23 min) of an engagement with a Shinra member in R3-K7K. The video (and accompanying ventrilo commentary speaks for itself). The Shinra member had attacked a lone PIE BS in R3-K7K but did not know that two PIE cruisers were ready next door to lend aid.

The Video

Shinra - I apologise if you have taken action against this logger and simply forgot to inform us of it.

If that is the case then I shall remove this post and the video file...

If you haven't taken any action, or do not intend to, then it would be nice if you publicly state that. Then your corporation's position on 'loggers' will be perfectly clear and no one can accuse you of being hypocrites.

I am happy to say that this incident had a happy outcome. The 'logger' was caught and brought to justice by PIE the next day - karma if you will. Picture

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Originally by: Takrolimus

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The reason it is a Nine page thread is because it is not a legitimate thread about the issue, its mudslinging. We have now resolved both incidents, which would have happened much faster through the appropriate channels.

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Originally by: Chowdown

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Edited by: Chowdown on 09/05/2005 17:01:15
Edited by: Chowdown on 09/05/2005 16:59:21

Originally by: Hardin

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Edited by: Hardin on 09/05/2005 16:09:29


This is something which happened over a week ago.

We did not post it at the time but instead flagged it up to Shinra Directors as we wished Shinra to take some action over it.

However as far as we know no action has been taken - which is a shame! I have the utmost respect for the majority of Shinra Directors and Shinra pilots and their fighting capabilities - yet the actions of a few bad eggs can ruin the reputation of even the best corporations.

While no corporation can fully monitor or control all the actions of its members all the time (and as a CEO I know that only too well) it should be seen to take action when its members clearly step over the line deemed respectable behaviour.

I am attaching here a short FRAPS video (1.23 min) of an engagement with a Shinra member in R3-K7K. The video (and accompanying ventrilo commentary speaks for itself). The Shinra member had attacked a lone PIE BS in R3-K7K but did not know that two PIE cruisers were ready next door to lend aid.

The Video

Shinra - I apologise if you have taken action against this logger and simply forgot to inform us of it.

If that is the case then I shall remove this post and the video file...

If you haven't taken any action, or do not intend to, then it would be nice if you publicly state that. Then your corporation's position on 'loggers' will be perfectly clear and no one can accuse you of being hypocrites.

I am happy to say that this incident had a happy outcome. The 'logger' was caught and brought to justice by PIE the next day - karma if you will. Picture

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Soz Hardin, never got through to me, of course we respect PIE and your members and as such this will not be tolerated. I am now looking into this personally.

On the other hand Shin Ra I could not give a rats arse about you or your crusade, go fan boy some one else you'll never get any respect fitting the "soft setups" or trolling the forums. Whatch this space for how quickly action is taken for people we actually respect.

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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What actually happened with Paul? More importantly is he going to say sorry.

Hugs & Kisses

Shin ra

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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Oh I see. Its ok to log if its burn eden, but for anyone else that would be wrong! Glad we cleared that up.

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Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer

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Originally by: Konietzko

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no nebba. career liars for the sad. (4TS). I liked you a lot better 1 year ago. I wish you'd act more like your corpmates.

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this is a game.

any attempt you make at bashing my integrity and my dedication towards my brothers in arms will get you no where.

for the rest of you who want to make it personal, think about this: "It is hard to believe that a man is telling the truth when you know that you would lie if you were in his place."

goodbye.

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Originally by: Konietzko

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Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer

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Originally by: Konietzko

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no nebba. career liars for the sad. (4TS). I liked you a lot better 1 year ago. I wish you'd act more like your corpmates.

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this is a game.

any attempt you make at bashing my integrity and my dedication towards my brothers in arms will get you no where.

for the rest of you who want to make it personal, think about this: "It is hard to believe that a man is telling the truth when you know that you would lie if you were in his place."

goodbye.

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Nebba, you're like Lallente in drag. No matter how much you ***** the forums, everyone knows you'll never be a man.

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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In this game ppl only respect corps/alliances they can/have beaten. Hence no one has any respect for us.

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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In this game ppl only respect corps/alliances they can/have beaten. Hence no one has any respect for us.

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Originally by: thelung187

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Konietzko, you're like foster child that nobody wanted. No matter how much you ***** the forums, everyone knows you'll never get out of the orphanage.

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