Originally by: Hyey

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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Originally by: Malken

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Originally by: Hyey

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why arent you flaming the shinra corporation?
as you always do when you find someone who logs off while engaged.
i see that ATUK has different standards to what they percieve as right and wrong.
and now everyone else sees that also.

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Originally by: Masta Killa

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Think I'll agree with the

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Originally by: Ange1

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Shinra does not support such actions by our members and any member found doing it will be dealt with severely. I personally dealt with a case the other day and the PIE member I spoke to was most understanding and co-operative. I made sure to deal with the matter promptly.

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Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists

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pretty lame, i agree

but the way, not that u post it,¦is **** too, and that elite made me laughing..

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Originally by: Fire Hawk

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Once again, a full warp core stabs raven pilot flame in forums...

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Originally by: WildHope

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How is it that every enemy I've encountered over nearly 2 years of Eve garners a certain level of mutual respect, apart from you?

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Originally by: Lord Draco

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If you were sincere about getting the matter resolved you would have contacted myself or Chowdown or posted a complaint on our forums. But, because you felt compeled to post here for attention you demonstrate your true intentions.

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Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer

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Logging off isn't an exploit.

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Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer

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Logging off isn't an exploit.

Logging off and then logging in on an alt character is.

He didn't disappear, did he?

You killed him. Good job.

/me hands Shin Ra a cookie.

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Originally by: Lord Draco

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Edited by: Lord Draco on 07/05/2005 01:56:10
If you were sincere about getting the matter resolved you would have contacted myself or Chowdown or posted a complaint on our forums. But, because you felt compeled to post here for attention you demonstrate your true intentions.

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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Nice unified shinra stance on the matter. Boot him from you corp and say sorry and we will be on our way.

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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And another one tonight: Linkage. I'm glad to see ATUK sponsering such exploitation. His name is NuclearSunset and corporation is Forevermore (sponsered by ATUK). This guy did the quick log trick and managed to save his ship.

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Originally by: Fire Hawk

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Once again, a full warp core stabs raven pilot flame in forums...

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Originally by: Lord Draco

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Edited by: Lord Draco on 07/05/2005 01:56:10
If you were sincere about getting the matter resolved you would have contacted myself or Chowdown or posted a complaint on our forums. But, because you felt compeled to post here for attention you demonstrate your true intentions.

ADD: Celestial Apoc should stay far away from this thread, lest you be labled hypocrits (again).

Celestial Apocalypse Logging Off

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Originally by: fugazii

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Originally by: Fire Hawk

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Once again, a full warp core stabs raven pilot flame in forums...

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that just proves how much shinra sucks then, that he looses to a ship setup for running, then tries to logoff to save himself. pathetic rly, tho whats even worse is the fact that ppl are flaming be because of their setup instead of condeming shinra for using the ***est tactic in the game.

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Originally by: Smith

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Originally by: fugazii

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Originally by: Fire Hawk

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Once again, a full warp core stabs raven pilot flame in forums...

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that just proves how much shinra sucks then, that he looses to a ship setup for running, then tries to logoff to save himself. pathetic rly, tho whats even worse is the fact that ppl are flaming be because of their setup instead of condeming shinra for using the ***est tactic in the game.

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You are judging Shinra on a pilot. If that was the case...with the way you smacktalk on the forums it would be considered F-E were a bunch of smacktalking noobs. But as I am not stupid I can workout that F-E only has one idiot...you. Have a nice day.

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Originally by: fugazii

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Originally by: Smith

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Originally by: fugazii

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Originally by: Fire Hawk

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Once again, a full warp core stabs raven pilot flame in forums...

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that just proves how much shinra sucks then, that he looses to a ship setup for running, then tries to logoff to save himself. pathetic rly, tho whats even worse is the fact that ppl are flaming be because of their setup instead of condeming shinra for using the ***est tactic in the game.

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You are judging Shinra on a pilot. If that was the case...with the way you smacktalk on the forums it would be considered F-E were a bunch of smacktalking noobs. But as I am not stupid I can workout that F-E only has one idiot...you. Have a nice day.

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judge me how u want, thats beside the point. this is the SECOND reported time this has happened to just 1 corp, it seems its quite a trend. if this has happened 2x to just 1 corp just think how many times it goes unreported to other corps. the fact that your ally's, and your corp are trying to flame be instead of adressing the issue makes u guys even more pathetic.

p.s. calling me a noob while looking at ur kill # in ur sig, hahaha u spend all ur time mining?

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Originally by: fugazii

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Originally by: Fire Hawk

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Once again, a full warp core stabs raven pilot flame in forums...

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that just proves how much shinra sucks then, that he looses to a ship setup for running, then tries to logoff to save himself. pathetic rly, tho whats even worse is the fact that ppl are flaming be because of their setup instead of condeming shinra for using the ***est tactic in the game.

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Originally by: Kcel Chim

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Originally by: fugazii

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Originally by: Fire Hawk

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Once again, a full warp core stabs raven pilot flame in forums...

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that just proves how much shinra sucks then, that he looses to a ship setup for running, then tries to logoff to save himself. pathetic rly, tho whats even worse is the fact that ppl are flaming be because of their setup instead of condeming shinra for using the ***est tactic in the game.

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for the slow kids amongst us, fire hawk was referring to the B-E posters general setups not to the shinra (ex shinra?) pilot in question

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Originally by: Lord Draco

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Edited by: Lord Draco on 07/05/2005 01:56:10
If you were sincere about getting the matter resolved you would have contacted myself or Chowdown or posted a complaint on our forums. But, because you felt compeled to post here for attention you demonstrate your true intentions.

ADD: Celestial Apoc should stay far away from this thread, lest you be labled hypocrits (again).

Celestial Apocalypse Logging Off

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Originally by: fugazii

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p.s. calling me a noob while looking at ur kill # in ur sig, hahaha u spend all ur time mining?

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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Once again, the righteous saviours of the universe Shinra (not related to myself in any way), decided to try and save one of their battleships by logging off mid combat. The elite group of burn eden pilots, lead by Ganka tempest pilot Pheole dropped him before he could do the magical vanishing trick. He was in an untanked raven and logged when he was in armour. Hence the t2 1400s dropped him before he vanished.

2005.05.06 23:57:00

Victim: Paul Tibbets
Corporation: Shinra
Destroyed Type: Raven
Solar System: CL-85V
System Security Level: 0.0

Screenshot of his pod warping off (the can is his): Shinra logger

For those of you who don't remember, another Shinra guy also decided to log on us a couple of months back: Shinra Logger - old

Lets just remember a couple of quote in previous threads:

[SNRA]DeMundus - "With regards to our own ppl, iam no director - but Iam sure we kick ppl for doing so"
[SNRA]Shredder - "its a simple exploit."
[SNRA]Takrolimus - "If you have proof of others, please provide it."

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Originally by: CKOZUK

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Edited by: CKOZUK on 07/05/2005 11:07:47
I always thought the pod disappeared when someone logged off and didnt remain in space in fact I'm postive the pod just disappears and doesn't warp off after so many SA guys used to do it to save thier implants back when I was in CA. (or have things changed while I've been away).

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Originally by: thelung187

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NP, happy to be of service, glad to see his ship was saved and it annoyed you. Next time fight a real enemy instead of shooting miners in your stabbed up ravens/tempests/ibis'.

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Originally by: Hastrabull

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To make it simple.

This is PURE FLAMEBAIT.

If you have issue with shinra pilot, talk to shinra CEO.

But i see you are not interested in resovling this situation. You are interested in flaming others and being famous. That's why i think u are retard!

Thanks and goodbye.

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Originally by: Chowdown

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You guys do make me laugh.

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Originally by: thelung187

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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Nice unified shinra stance on the matter. Boot him from you corp and say sorry and we will be on our way.

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Yes, because Shin Ra of Botox Bandits and his merry band are who we should all really aspire to please.

Originally by: Shin Ra

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And another one tonight: Linkage. I'm glad to see ATUK sponsering such exploitation. His name is NuclearSunset and corporation is Forevermore (sponsered by ATUK). This guy did the quick log trick and managed to save his ship.

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NP, happy to be of service, glad to see his ship was saved and it annoyed you. Next time fight a real enemy instead of shooting miners in your stabbed up ravens/tempests/ibis'.

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Originally by: Chowdown

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Dude you can gank, well done, you have learnt pvp level 1.

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Originally by: Spinal

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gank ???

how do u gank in a 1 v 1 battleship?? fight?

Mega vs raven?

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Originally by: Chowdown

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I don't think you get the point, no one cares.

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Originally by: Ange1

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Shinra does not support such actions by our members and any member found doing it will be dealt with severely. I personally dealt with a case the other day and the PIE member I spoke to was most understanding and co-operative. I made sure to deal with the matter promptly.

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Originally by: Chowdown

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Dude you can gank, well done, you have learnt pvp level 1.

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Originally by: fugazii

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read the entire of what i said, then post. usually makes for a more intelligent arguement, thxs.

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Originally by: Kcel Chim

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Originally by: fugazii

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read the entire of what i said, then post. usually makes for a more intelligent arguement, thxs.

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It also makes for a more intelligent argument if you are able to comprehend the information given. The dude in question (before logging) was ganked. Not by 1 enemy fitted for running but by a few.

Now i dont know your understanding of numbers but i for one would say that once the enemy bs number exceeds the solopilot its rather unimportant how many lowslots the attackers wasted on Wc's... Especially as in many cases (tho i dont think this one belongs to it) BE have/had a special love for EW gank ravens who dont require much skill or lowslots to do their work against almost all solopilots)

I know you in particular have an issue with that, smacking from safespots on the forums doesnt require basic math and gameunderstanding.

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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We had 1 tempest and 1 inty shooting him. Hadly a gank. I dont see what this has to do with it anyway.

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Originally by: Masta Killa

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Let go of the "but they were 1v1" crap

You know damn well that 6 stabs and 4 jammers/damps against some dude who's getting pounded by a couple of 750k npc's isn't as fair a fight as you try to call it.

And fugazii you of all people should know that burn eden are just griefers with little rl egos and that they must grief as much as possible to keep the tiny rl ego afloat.

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Originally by: Masta Killa

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Let go of the "but they were 1v1" crap

You know damn well that 6 stabs and 4 jammers/damps against some dude who's getting pounded by a couple of 750k npc's isn't as fair a fight as you try to call it.

And fugazii you of all people should know that burn eden are just griefers with little rl egos and that they must grief as much as possible to keep the tiny rl ego afloat.

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Originally by: Malken

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so does ATUK mean that it is ok to logoff if you are getting ganked by several ships?

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Originally by: Kcel Chim

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Originally by: Malken

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so does ATUK mean that it is ok to logoff if you are getting ganked by several ships?

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Fine attempt to put words in my mouth sadly it failed right when u started to post.

I personally dislike logging in combat under any circumstances as my corp does aswell. However i dont see BE as any moral "instance" to whine about others.

I know full well Shinra will take steps against their member in question, which is already more then half of the self claimed white nights would do.

BE is so desperately fishing for attention its evening filling amusement. Must be sad if you are a nobody corp whos only "success" is measured in blowing your own horn about 10 ganks you scored and your superior skill in flying ECM wc ships running for ss and logging as soon as something comes you cant handle.

Everyone his "joy" i guess just rest assured you wont make it anywhere near the top with that attitude and ppl will take anything you write with the needed smirk of irony.

In the end your post achieved only 1 thing, 1 guy (be it now ex shinra or still a member) got punished with shinra showing their true colors backing their words by actions.

More then you guys will ever achieve....

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Originally by: Kcel Chim

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Must be sad if you are a nobody corp whos only "success" is measured in blowing your own horn about 10 ganks you scored and your superior skill in flying ECM wc ships running for ss and logging as soon as something comes you cant handle.

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Originally by: Masta Killa

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Let go of the "but they were 1v1" crap

You know damn well that 6 stabs and 4 jammers/damps against some dude who's getting pounded by a couple of 750k npc's isn't as fair a fight as you try to call it.

And fugazii you of all people should know that burn eden are just griefers with little rl egos and that they must grief as much as possible to keep the tiny rl ego afloat.

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Originally by: Lord Draco

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First off all, he didnt log, he crashed. Anyone that knows Paul knows his Internet connection is as relable as BE is honorable.

If all you see is that, did you miss the part about BE posting pointless killmails and****azii flaming us? I am sure you did as ppl tend to believe whatever they want to.

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Originally by: Lord Draco

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First off all, he didnt log, he crashed. Anyone that knows Paul knows his Internet connection is as relable as BE is honorable.

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Originally by: Lord Draco

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First off all, he didnt log, he crashed. Anyone that knows Paul knows his Internet connection is as relable as BE is honorable.

If all you see is that, did you miss the part about BE posting pointless killmails and****azii flaming us? I am sure you did as ppl tend to believe whatever they want to.

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Originally by: Saladin

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I hope Paul leaving Shinra was on his own free will and not the result of being pressured to do so. I do understand his decision though, no likes to be put in a position where he/she is subject to ridicule.

I wanted to re-iterate what Koni said, Paul is a stand up guy and while we have not spoken since I left shinra, I consider him a friend. He is no stranger to combat either. He has dealt out kills as well as sustained losses on many occasions.

However, I think there is plenty of blame to go around here. This thread was created to counter claims by people who need to boost their ego by accusing others of logging off. I hope that fact is not lost on anyone and we all realize that flaming other people's gameplay can start a cycle that will hurt someone close to you.

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Originally by: Xendie

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ill quote another shinra comment about another guy "CTD'ing"
and it goes something like this "very convenient that it happened as he was attacked wasnt it"

but yeah Hast is right, enough of this crap whining from all sides.
cya.

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Originally by: Heinky

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Dont mix eve with rl it can be bad for your health

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Originally by: Pheole

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Originally by: thelung187

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NP, happy to be of service, glad to see his ship was saved and it annoyed you. Next time fight a real enemy instead of shooting miners in your stabbed up ravens/tempests/ibis'.

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the next guy who doestnt have any clue what hes talkin about.

firstly:

Type: Warp Core Stabilizer I (Fitted - Low slot)

Type: Warp Core Stabilizer I (Fitted - Low slot)

and we found 2 more in the cargo. so stop p!ssin at our tree if urs stinks at least that much.

secondly:

at THAT time, once again, it was only me who dropped em. Kick was on the way back to the office and i was at the cl- gate cos i wanted to go that way anyway. i see a raven on scanner and shinra in local. i tell my mates to get ready on the cl gate. the raven jumps i jump after em. i kill em with 0 stabs fitted k?

so get along with your bs that ur talkin all the time thelung u even havent been involved u dont know sh!t what happened so su, this is the wrong thread for ur stabblaming ****.

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Originally by: Liare

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Originally by: Pheole

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Originally by: thelung187

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NP, happy to be of service, glad to see his ship was saved and it annoyed you. Next time fight a real enemy instead of shooting miners in your stabbed up ravens/tempests/ibis'.

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the next guy who doestnt have any clue what hes talkin about.

firstly:

Type: Warp Core Stabilizer I (Fitted - Low slot)

Type: Warp Core Stabilizer I (Fitted - Low slot)

and we found 2 more in the cargo. so stop p!ssin at our tree if urs stinks at least that much.

secondly:

at THAT time, once again, it was only me who dropped em. Kick was on the way back to the office and i was at the cl- gate cos i wanted to go that way anyway. i see a raven on scanner and shinra in local. i tell my mates to get ready on the cl gate. the raven jumps i jump after em. i kill em with 0 stabs fitted k?

so get along with your bs that ur talkin all the time thelung u even havent been involved u dont know sh!t what happened so su, this is the wrong thread for ur stabblaming ****.

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coming from the people who fly ravens with a full rack of warp core stabs in their low slots, its quite some hollow words on your part.

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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Originally by: Xendie

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ill quote another shinra comment about another guy "CTD'ing"
and it goes something like this "very convenient that it happened as he was attacked wasnt it"

but yeah Hast is right, enough of this crap whining from all sides.
cya.

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who are u anyway?

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Originally by: Saladin

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I hope Paul leaving Shinra was on his own free will and not the result of being pressured to do so. I do understand his decision though, no likes to be put in a position where he/she is subject to ridicule.

I wanted to re-iterate what Koni said, Paul is a stand up guy and while we have not spoken since I left shinra, I consider him a friend. He is no stranger to combat either. He has dealt out kills as well as sustained losses on many occasions.

However, I think there is plenty of blame to go around here. This thread was created to counter claims by people who need to boost their ego by accusing others of logging off. I hope that fact is not lost on anyone and we all realize that flaming other people's gameplay can start a cycle that will hurt someone close to you.

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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Once again, the righteous saviours of the universe Shinra (not related to myself in any way), decided to try and save one of their battleships by logging off mid combat. The elite group of burn eden pilots, lead by Ganka tempest pilot Pheole dropped him before he could do the magical vanishing trick. He was in an untanked raven and logged when he was in armour. Hence the t2 1400s dropped him before he vanished.

2005.05.06 23:57:00

Victim: Paul Tibbets
Corporation: Shinra
Destroyed Type: Raven
Solar System: CL-85V
System Security Level: 0.0

Screenshot of his pod warping off (the can is his): Shinra logger

For those of you who don't remember, another Shinra guy also decided to log on us a couple of months back: Shinra Logger - old

Lets just remember a couple of quote in previous threads:

[SNRA]DeMundus - "With regards to our own ppl, iam no director - but Iam sure we kick ppl for doing so"
[SNRA]Shredder - "its a simple exploit."
[SNRA]Takrolimus - "If you have proof of others, please provide it."

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Originally by: Chowdown

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Edited by: Chowdown on 07/05/2005 13:49:31

Originally by: Spinal

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gank ???

how do u gank in a 1 v 1 battleship?? fight?

Mega vs raven?

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LOL almost worthy of a sig position, whats an NPCng setup? Whats a ganking setup.

I don't think you get the point, no one cares.

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Originally by: PhasmaNL

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Originally by: Ange1

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Shinra does not support such actions by our members and any member found doing it will be dealt with severely. I personally dealt with a case the other day and the PIE member I spoke to was most understanding and co-operative. I made sure to deal with the matter promptly.

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Uhu...

Check this: Screenie

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Originally by: PhasmaNL

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Originally by: Ange1

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Shinra does not support such actions by our members and any member found doing it will be dealt with severely. I personally dealt with a case the other day and the PIE member I spoke to was most understanding and co-operative. I made sure to deal with the matter promptly.

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Uhu...

Check this: Screenie

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Originally by: Roger Dodger

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Edited by: Roger Dodger on 07/05/2005 01:22:01
Oh noes, BURN EDEN sucks because they use WCS! God forbid someone use a module as it was meant to be used.

UDIE, keep making the pansies whine because they can't counter your WCS.

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Originally by: Masta Killa

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And fugazii you of all people should know that burn eden are just griefers with little rl egos and that they must grief as much as possible to keep the tiny rl ego afloat.

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Originally by: Spinal

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ok lets look at it this way...

2005.05.07 12:47:00

Victim: Trey Azagthoth
Corporation: Shinra
Destroyed Type: Raven
Solar System: 8G-MQV
System Security Level: 0.0

Involved parties:

Name: Spinal (laid the final blow)
Security Status: -0.7
Corporation: BURN EDEN
Ship Type: Megathron
Weapon Type: Regulated Mega Neutron Phase Cannon I

Name: Dark Big
Security Status: 0.4
Corporation: BURN EDEN
Ship Type: Crow
Weapon Type: Unknown



Destroyed items:

Type: Cap Recharger II (Fitted - Medium slot)

Type: XLarge C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I (Fitted - Medium slot)

Type: Siege Missile Launcher I (Fitted - High slot)

Type: Power Diagnostic System II (Fitted - Low slot)

Type: Siege Missile Launcher I (Fitted - High slot)

Type: Power Diagnostic System II (Fitted - Low slot)

Type: Siege Missile Launcher I (Fitted - High slot)

Type: Ditrigonal Thermal Barrier Crystallization I (Fitted - Medium slot)

Type: Ballistic Control System I (Fitted - Low slot)

Type: Mjolnir Torpedo I (Cargo)
Quantity: 164

Type: Devastator Cruise Missile I (Cargo)
Quantity: 193

Type: Inferno Torpedo I (Cargo)
Quantity: 99

Type: Bane Torpedo I (Cargo)
Quantity: 9

Type: Mjolnir Torpedo I (Fitted - High slot)
Quantity: 7

Type: Mjolnir Torpedo I (Fitted - High slot)
Quantity: 7

Type: Bane Torpedo I (Fitted - High slot)
Quantity: 7

look at the destroyed items, angels do all damage ?? and i was armour tanked.. soo??? soo he tanking my damage but it was not a gank anyway :)

GF trey :P

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Originally by: Reiisha

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2: It's one of the 2 times you actually engaged a Shinra pilot.

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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Edited by: Shin Ra on 08/05/2005 16:05:11
Edited by: Shin Ra on 08/05/2005 16:05:02

Originally by: Reiisha

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2: It's one of the 2 times you actually engaged a Shinra pilot.

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Indeed!
http://www.eve-kills.com/?corp=BURN+EDEN&ship=&view=&search=sc&keywords=shinra

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Originally by: Artharas

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I'm not accually going to defend BE, HOWEVER I think it is VERY silly that everyone flames BE for using stabs when I've seen pretty much all corps I've fought against(and sometimes with) use them. It is VERY annoying fighting against BE cause of this, but are they being here to be fun(proving they aren't their idiotic behavior on the forums). Stabs are used by more than BE though they are perhaps the once that use them the most.

Also if Shinra and ATUK are going to say Paul is a good man that would never log because of ship loss(whatever don't know the guy) and therefor MUST have disconnected, have you ever wondered who the guy YOU are accusing is, if he is a good man, that might have disconnected or whatever like you say Paul did or is he just an enemy that deserves some burning?

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Originally by: Lord Draco

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Originally by: PhasmaNL

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Originally by: Ange1

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Shinra does not support such actions by our members and any member found doing it will be dealt with severely. I personally dealt with a case the other day and the PIE member I spoke to was most understanding and co-operative. I made sure to deal with the matter promptly.

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Uhu...

Check this: Screenie

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PLease tell me you aren't so stupid as to not understand the difference?

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Originally by: Artharas

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I'm not accually going to defend BE, HOWEVER I think it is VERY silly that everyone flames BE for using stabs when I've seen pretty much all corps I've fought against(and sometimes with) use them. It is VERY annoying fighting against BE cause of this, but are they being here to be fun(proving they aren't their idiotic behavior on the forums). Stabs are used by more than BE though they are perhaps the once that use them the most.

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Quote:

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Also if Shinra and ATUK are going to say Paul is a good man that would never log because of ship loss(whatever don't know the guy) and therefor MUST have disconnected, have you ever wondered who the guy YOU are accusing is, if he is a good man, that might have disconnected or whatever like you say Paul did or is he just an enemy that deserves some burning?

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Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer

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Indeed!
http://www.eve-kills.com/?corp=BURN+EDEN&ship=&view=&search=sc&keywords=shinra

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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Originally by: CKOZUK

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Edited by: CKOZUK on 07/05/2005 11:07:47
I always thought the pod disappeared when someone logged off and didnt remain in space in fact I'm postive the pod just disappears and doesn't warp off after so many SA guys used to do it to save thier implants back when I was in CA. (or have things changed while I've been away).

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The pod insta warps. Its pretty much impossible to catch it, even with smartbombs.

Last time this happened, what did Shinra do? They delt with the matter internally, whatever that means. This way, the situation gets more attention and you are more likely to boot the guy. Also, the more ccp is aware of the problem, the better. Furthermore, when Xetic did this to Shinra they had no hesitation in starting a 10 page thread. Yet when you yourselves are in the wrong, its me thats posting flaimbait.

Does anyone know the definition of irony?

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Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer

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Originally by: Saladin

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I hope Paul leaving Shinra was on his own free will and not the result of being pressured to do so. I do understand his decision though, no likes to be put in a position where he/she is subject to ridicule.

I wanted to re-iterate what Koni said, Paul is a stand up guy and while we have not spoken since I left shinra, I consider him a friend. He is no stranger to combat either. He has dealt out kills as well as sustained losses on many occasions.

However, I think there is plenty of blame to go around here. This thread was created to counter claims by people who need to boost their ego by accusing others of logging off. I hope that fact is not lost on anyone and we all realize that flaming other people's gameplay can start a cycle that will hurt someone close to you.

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Sal, the best way to recruit folks is by convo'ing them in game.

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Originally by: Nytemaster

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Shin Ra,

Your posts over the last few months have been lacking to say the least. Everytime there is something displayed it is anti-Shinra (or Anti-Five). Shinra came to the forums after there was a pattern of behavior with Xetic's logging off, not just a random pilot here and there but consistent logoff tactics.

Then you came up with a Supremacy pilot who logged off two months prior to posting it. Now we have one, maybe two Shinra pilots who may or may not have exploited the logoff as the evidence is unclear.

I myself had a CTD after attacking a brutix in my kestrel with another buddy in his kestrel. Was the logging intentional? Hell no, why would I bother logging in a kestrel? I was just having a little fun in that frig and it wasn't worth saving really. I was risking MORE by logging because of hardwireds.

I guess my point is, your pathetic excuse for a corp has to come to the forums and make themselves seem bigger and prouder than what they are. We all know you stab your Battleships up and sit off the gates from 150km to snipe ships because you are wussies. You tried to claim the GreatWildlands awhile back and made yourself look like fools. You have no place in curse region and all you do is hide even if you are 2:1 in your favor.

You have no class as witnessed on these forums and smacktalk your way to attention. Everytime you make a post you make yourself look sillier. Only the carebears and enemies of The Five listen to you join in your preachings as if it is gospel.

Everyone else wonders when you will buy a clue that you are a wannabe 0.0 corp that cannot go toe to toe with anyone.

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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Show me one occasion when you have come to fight us with half as many ships as us, we own you badly on equal number.

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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Fact of the matter is Shinra and Atuk are scared of us.

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Originally by: Elve Sorrow

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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Show me one occasion when you have come to fight us with half as many ships as us, we own you badly on equal number.

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Spinal + Dark Big vs me = Spinal + Dark Big running, and smacktalking in local afterwards.

I think he claimed i was being 'lame' and 'it was unfair'.

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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I told you before, we relinquished our claim of Great Wildlands to ASS who still fully control it. Fact of the matter is Shinra and Atuk are scared of us.

Show me one occasion when you have come to fight us with half as many ships as us, we own you badly on equal number. All you can do is point click and shoot. Blob tactics don't work against us. The sooner you learn that, the better. So please, quit jumping on the bandwagon and go do something about us, if we annoy you so much.

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Originally by: Saladin

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Not sure I see your point, but you shouldn't mistake me defending Paul for respect for a career liar like yourself.

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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I told you before, we relinquished our claim of Great Wildlands to ASS who still fully control it. Fact of the matter is Shinra and Atuk are scared of us.

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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Show me one occasion when you have come to fight us with half as many ships as us, we own you badly on equal number.

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All you can do is point click and shoot. Blob tactics don't work against us. The sooner you learn that, the better. So please, quit jumping on the bandwagon and go do something about us, if we annoy you so much.

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Originally by: Elve Sorrow

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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Show me one occasion when you have come to fight us with half as many ships as us, we own you badly on equal number.

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Spinal + Dark Big vs me = Spinal + Dark Big running, and smacktalking in local afterwards.

I think he claimed i was being 'lame' and 'it was unfair'.

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Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer

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Originally by: Saladin

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Not sure I see your point, but you shouldn't mistake me defending Paul for respect for a career liar like yourself.

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Career liars 4tw

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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I told you before, we relinquished our claim of Great Wildlands to ASS who still fully control it. Fact of the matter is Shinra and Atuk are scared of us.

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Originally by: Konietzko

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no nebba. career liars for the sad. (4TS). I liked you a lot better 1 year ago. I wish you'd act more like your corpmates.

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Originally by: Malken

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Originally by: Hyey

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why arent you flaming the shinra corporation?
as you always do when you find someone who logs off while engaged.
i see that ATUK has different standards to what they percieve as right and wrong.
and now everyone else sees that also.

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Originally by: Estios

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Originally by: Malken

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Originally by: Hyey

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why arent you flaming the shinra corporation?
as you always do when you find someone who logs off while engaged.
i see that ATUK has different standards to what they percieve as right and wrong.
and now everyone else sees that also.

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I can quite honestly say Malken if someone started a 'Top 5 Infatuated Tard' thread I would vote you as numbers 1-5.

Although Im not sure if you are insanely infatuated with us or perhaps just a little slow.

Since when has an emote from 1 person stood to represent the views of a corp of 200 + members ??

I dont even have to flame you, you make yourself look stupid enough

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Originally by: Estios

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Originally by: Malken

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Originally by: Hyey

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why arent you flaming the shinra corporation?
as you always do when you find someone who logs off while engaged.
i see that ATUK has different standards to what they percieve as right and wrong.
and now everyone else sees that also.

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I can quite honestly say Malken if someone started a 'Top 5 Infatuated Tard' thread I would vote you as numbers 1-5.

Although Im not sure if you are insanely infatuated with us or perhaps just a little slow.

Since when has an emote from 1 person stood to represent the views of a corp of 200 + members ??

I dont even have to flame you, you make yourself look stupid enough

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Originally by: Malken

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im so sorry that i made you cry alot estios.

but with all the 200+ something atuk spamming threads about demanding bannings for people and other corps who used the log off thingy ingame you certainly do look the other way when your allie does the logoff thingy.
that makes you and your corp not look very good in the eyes of rest of eve.
it shows that you are nothing more then scum who will use any tool possible to beat your enemy even their own morals.
but you and your own corp have no such inhibitions to stop you.
there is only me who likes to poke my finger in your eye and make you cry when you wish the matter to dissapear so you can go back to calling anyone else a exploit for doing what your allies did.

you play the forumgame of trying to bend public opinion your way and i can understand the reasons for doing so also.
but i on the other hand is not your allie nor am i a friend of you and your corp as i see them and you as a bad thing for eve thus i fight here on the forums also as you and your corp also wage war here on the forums.

information and disinformation are big tools in this game and you are using desinformation and misdirection of information alot on these forums.
i like to point out to others when you and your dishonorable corp bends the truth and use misdirection and lies to suit your own needs under the guise of "doing the right thing".

and frankly i couldnt care less if atuk like me or not as i wont lie in bed at night crying thinking "oooh they dont like me" like you do.

in every other thread about logging off and even threads that had nothing to do with logging off we have seen atuk/shinra/supremacy+whatever of that gang start with spamming it wiht different things like "exploit, dishonorable, die scum, disband corp" and so on.
thats why i certainly was extremely suprised that a atuk posted anything that wasnt in the same league when the thread even was about logging off.
but i guess when they do it themselves its not the same ting right.

and yes i judge your whole 200+ corp by any single persons actions as you do the same to any other corp/alliance ingame so why shouldnt you be judged the same way.

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Originally by: Elve Sorrow

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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Show me one occasion when you have come to fight us with half as many ships as us, we own you badly on equal number.

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Spinal + Dark Big vs me = Spinal + Dark Big running, and smacktalking in local afterwards.

I think he claimed i was being 'lame' and 'it was unfair'.

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Originally by: Tholarim

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Edited by: Tholarim on 09/05/2005 09:59:00


Here you go again judging like you are the spokesperson of eve. We judged you since darth said it wasn't acceptable and the patriarch insisted with his moron excuse of splitting his keyboard in half. The fact that he did it twice in a couple of days made it more interesting. Also we were vocal about it cus we witnessed it ourselves. Now, we don't like the whole logging thing, even when performed by our allies. But since we didn't witness this one ourselves, and since we haven't heard his side of the story yet, we reserve judgement. Also since we know the shinra leadership, we know appropriate action will be taken if that is so needed.

And celes apoc calling other forum *****s? Kinda hypocrit since you even removed your corp name and sig to ensure ppl wouldn't automaticly link you to celes. I think tiwaz dart and you ptretty much cover every thread as well. A big playerbase comes with a bigger % of the total forum posters in this game. Our corp doesn't try to put restrictions on the amount of things i can do ingame or on the forums. Cus in the end, it's a game.

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Originally by: Calanen

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Maybe I'm missing something, but how does the screenie show that he logged off? Doesn't it just show he got away in his pod?

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Originally by: Spinal

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Lies lies lies,

I ingaged you, first, then realised beacuse you could not beat me any other way than comming tanked agaisnt my mega, i could not take u down and i warped out,

Soo dont make it out to be like that, cheers

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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Show me one occasion when you have come to fight us with half as many ships as us, we own you badly on equal number.

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Originally by: Tansien

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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Show me one occasion when you have come to fight us with half as many ships as us, we own you badly on equal number.

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Well there was that time your 5 battleships ran from 2 friggies

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Originally by: Malken

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Originally by: Tholarim

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Edited by: Tholarim on 09/05/2005 09:59:00


Here you go again judging like you are the spokesperson of eve. We judged you since darth said it wasn't acceptable and the patriarch insisted with his moron excuse of splitting his keyboard in half. The fact that he did it twice in a couple of days made it more interesting. Also we were vocal about it cus we witnessed it ourselves. Now, we don't like the whole logging thing, even when performed by our allies. But since we didn't witness this one ourselves, and since we haven't heard his side of the story yet, we reserve judgement. Also since we know the shinra leadership, we know appropriate action will be taken if that is so needed.

And celes apoc calling other forum *****s? Kinda hypocrit since you even removed your corp name and sig to ensure ppl wouldn't automaticly link you to celes. I think tiwaz dart and you ptretty much cover every thread as well. A big playerbase comes with a bigger % of the total forum posters in this game. Our corp doesn't try to put restrictions on the amount of things i can do ingame or on the forums. Cus in the end, it's a game.

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i have as much power to judge anyone as you have so your judging of my post only validates it with your own reasoning.
as for my corp ticker and forum sig i havent been arsed to put it back in since i rejoined celest.
dont read to much in to my laziness on doing that.
i still need to make a new sig as i was bored of the old one.
btw, i never said anything about "forum *****s" i said "with all the 200+ something atuk spamming threads demanding bannings for people who used the logoff thingy ingame..."
dont try and put words in my mouth.
if you dont like my commenting then dont post crap and lies and dont have dual standards depending on who makes the error.
and yes it is a game yet your corp and its allies have taken the game way to seriously by demanding that people get banned from the game for logging off.
isnt that a bit to harsch as it is only a game?

btw.. thanks for keeping this thread alive so everyone can see that you and your allies have other standards when you are in error

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that makes you and your corp not look very good in the eyes of rest of eve

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Originally by: Hardin

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Edited by: Hardin on 09/05/2005 16:09:29


This is something which happened over a week ago.

We did not post it at the time but instead flagged it up to Shinra Directors as we wished Shinra to take some action over it.

However as far as we know no action has been taken - which is a shame! I have the utmost respect for the majority of Shinra Directors and Shinra pilots and their fighting capabilities - yet the actions of a few bad eggs can ruin the reputation of even the best corporations.

While no corporation can fully monitor or control all the actions of its members all the time (and as a CEO I know that only too well) it should be seen to take action when its members clearly step over the line deemed respectable behaviour.

I am attaching here a short FRAPS video (1.23 min) of an engagement with a Shinra member in R3-K7K. The video (and accompanying ventrilo commentary speaks for itself). The Shinra member had attacked a lone PIE BS in R3-K7K but did not know that two PIE cruisers were ready next door to lend aid.

The Video

Shinra - I apologise if you have taken action against this logger and simply forgot to inform us of it.

If that is the case then I shall remove this post and the video file...

If you haven't taken any action, or do not intend to, then it would be nice if you publicly state that. Then your corporation's position on 'loggers' will be perfectly clear and no one can accuse you of being hypocrites.

I am happy to say that this incident had a happy outcome. The 'logger' was caught and brought to justice by PIE the next day - karma if you will. Picture

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Originally by: Hardin

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Edited by: Hardin on 09/05/2005 16:09:29


This is something which happened over a week ago.

We did not post it at the time but instead flagged it up to Shinra Directors as we wished Shinra to take some action over it.

However as far as we know no action has been taken - which is a shame! I have the utmost respect for the majority of Shinra Directors and Shinra pilots and their fighting capabilities - yet the actions of a few bad eggs can ruin the reputation of even the best corporations.

While no corporation can fully monitor or control all the actions of its members all the time (and as a CEO I know that only too well) it should be seen to take action when its members clearly step over the line deemed respectable behaviour.

I am attaching here a short FRAPS video (1.23 min) of an engagement with a Shinra member in R3-K7K. The video (and accompanying ventrilo commentary speaks for itself). The Shinra member had attacked a lone PIE BS in R3-K7K but did not know that two PIE cruisers were ready next door to lend aid.

The Video

Shinra - I apologise if you have taken action against this logger and simply forgot to inform us of it.

If that is the case then I shall remove this post and the video file...

If you haven't taken any action, or do not intend to, then it would be nice if you publicly state that. Then your corporation's position on 'loggers' will be perfectly clear and no one can accuse you of being hypocrites.

I am happy to say that this incident had a happy outcome. The 'logger' was caught and brought to justice by PIE the next day - karma if you will. Picture

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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Oh I see. Its ok to log if its burn eden, but for anyone else that would be wrong! Glad we cleared that up.

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Originally by: Hardin

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Edited by: Hardin on 09/05/2005 16:09:29


This is something which happened over a week ago.

We did not post it at the time but instead flagged it up to Shinra Directors as we wished Shinra to take some action over it.

However as far as we know no action has been taken - which is a shame! I have the utmost respect for the majority of Shinra Directors and Shinra pilots and their fighting capabilities - yet the actions of a few bad eggs can ruin the reputation of even the best corporations.

While no corporation can fully monitor or control all the actions of its members all the time (and as a CEO I know that only too well) it should be seen to take action when its members clearly step over the line deemed respectable behaviour.

I am attaching here a short FRAPS video (1.23 min) of an engagement with a Shinra member in R3-K7K. The video (and accompanying ventrilo commentary speaks for itself). The Shinra member had attacked a lone PIE BS in R3-K7K but did not know that two PIE cruisers were ready next door to lend aid.

The Video

Shinra - I apologise if you have taken action against this logger and simply forgot to inform us of it.

If that is the case then I shall remove this post and the video file...

If you haven't taken any action, or do not intend to, then it would be nice if you publicly state that. Then your corporation's position on 'loggers' will be perfectly clear and no one can accuse you of being hypocrites.

I am happy to say that this incident had a happy outcome. The 'logger' was caught and brought to justice by PIE the next day - karma if you will. Picture

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Originally by: Takrolimus

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The reason it is a Nine page thread is because it is not a legitimate thread about the issue, its mudslinging. We have now resolved both incidents, which would have happened much faster through the appropriate channels.

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Originally by: Chowdown

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Edited by: Chowdown on 09/05/2005 17:01:15
Edited by: Chowdown on 09/05/2005 16:59:21

Originally by: Hardin

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Edited by: Hardin on 09/05/2005 16:09:29


This is something which happened over a week ago.

We did not post it at the time but instead flagged it up to Shinra Directors as we wished Shinra to take some action over it.

However as far as we know no action has been taken - which is a shame! I have the utmost respect for the majority of Shinra Directors and Shinra pilots and their fighting capabilities - yet the actions of a few bad eggs can ruin the reputation of even the best corporations.

While no corporation can fully monitor or control all the actions of its members all the time (and as a CEO I know that only too well) it should be seen to take action when its members clearly step over the line deemed respectable behaviour.

I am attaching here a short FRAPS video (1.23 min) of an engagement with a Shinra member in R3-K7K. The video (and accompanying ventrilo commentary speaks for itself). The Shinra member had attacked a lone PIE BS in R3-K7K but did not know that two PIE cruisers were ready next door to lend aid.

The Video

Shinra - I apologise if you have taken action against this logger and simply forgot to inform us of it.

If that is the case then I shall remove this post and the video file...

If you haven't taken any action, or do not intend to, then it would be nice if you publicly state that. Then your corporation's position on 'loggers' will be perfectly clear and no one can accuse you of being hypocrites.

I am happy to say that this incident had a happy outcome. The 'logger' was caught and brought to justice by PIE the next day - karma if you will. Picture

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Soz Hardin, never got through to me, of course we respect PIE and your members and as such this will not be tolerated. I am now looking into this personally.

On the other hand Shin Ra I could not give a rats arse about you or your crusade, go fan boy some one else you'll never get any respect fitting the "soft setups" or trolling the forums. Whatch this space for how quickly action is taken for people we actually respect.

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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What actually happened with Paul? More importantly is he going to say sorry.

Hugs & Kisses

Shin ra

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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Oh I see. Its ok to log if its burn eden, but for anyone else that would be wrong! Glad we cleared that up.

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Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer

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Originally by: Konietzko

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no nebba. career liars for the sad. (4TS). I liked you a lot better 1 year ago. I wish you'd act more like your corpmates.

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this is a game.

any attempt you make at bashing my integrity and my dedication towards my brothers in arms will get you no where.

for the rest of you who want to make it personal, think about this: "It is hard to believe that a man is telling the truth when you know that you would lie if you were in his place."

goodbye.

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Originally by: Konietzko

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Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer

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Originally by: Konietzko

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no nebba. career liars for the sad. (4TS). I liked you a lot better 1 year ago. I wish you'd act more like your corpmates.

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this is a game.

any attempt you make at bashing my integrity and my dedication towards my brothers in arms will get you no where.

for the rest of you who want to make it personal, think about this: "It is hard to believe that a man is telling the truth when you know that you would lie if you were in his place."

goodbye.

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Nebba, you're like Lallente in drag. No matter how much you ***** the forums, everyone knows you'll never be a man.

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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In this game ppl only respect corps/alliances they can/have beaten. Hence no one has any respect for us.

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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In this game ppl only respect corps/alliances they can/have beaten. Hence no one has any respect for us.

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Originally by: thelung187

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Konietzko, you're like foster child that nobody wanted. No matter how much you ***** the forums, everyone knows you'll never get out of the orphanage.

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Originally by: Konietzko

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Nah, mine was better. Glad to see you've progressed from racial slurs to straight up smack talking though. I knew you'd come around kiddo.

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Originally by: thelung187

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Originally by: Konietzko

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Nah, mine was better. Glad to see you've progressed from racial slurs to straight up smack talking though. I knew you'd come around kiddo.

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Thanks! I was hoping to one day reach Shin Ra's level of superior intellect, but then realized you just whine the same story because you can't figure out how to say anything else to me.

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Originally by: Konietzko

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If I thought you could comprehend anything else I have to say then I may give it a shot.

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Originally by: thelung187

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Originally by: Konietzko

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If I thought you could comprehend anything else I have to say then I may give it a shot.

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Ah, I see the problem, it was your attempt at thinking; give up on coherent thought, the concept will forever elude you.

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Originally by: Svabbi k

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Hµ ! I just could¦t get myself to read all this thread but wanted to share this with you...: you suck!!! Yeah, you! and you too!hah! (not including botox bandits, because we are paperboxes with big guns )

(think i¦ll get a forum warning for this? nah, everyone lubs me :D)

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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In this game ppl only respect corps/alliances they can/have beaten. Hence no one has any respect for us.

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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In this game ppl only respect corps/alliances they can/have beaten. Hence no one has any respect for us.

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Originally by: Albus

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Originally by: Svabbi k

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Hµ ! I just could¦t get myself to read all this thread but wanted to share this with you...: you suck!!! Yeah, you! and you too!hah! (not including botox bandits, because we are paperboxes with big guns )

(think i¦ll get a forum warning for this? nah, everyone lubs me :D)

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Svabbi FTW! We love you Svabbi!

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Originally by: Shinra Insurance

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Abdalion is doing it to upset me.

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Originally by: Konietzko

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Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer

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Originally by: Konietzko

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no nebba. career liars for the sad. (4TS). I liked you a lot better 1 year ago. I wish you'd act more like your corpmates.

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this is a game.

any attempt you make at bashing my integrity and my dedication towards my brothers in arms will get you no where.

for the rest of you who want to make it personal, think about this: "It is hard to believe that a man is telling the truth when you know that you would lie if you were in his place."

goodbye.

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Nebba, you're like Lallente in drag. No matter how much you ***** the forums, everyone knows you'll never be a man.

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Originally by: Kickass

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Originally by: Reiisha

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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In this game ppl only respect corps/alliances they can/have beaten. Hence no one has any respect for us.

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Oh, so i guess cases like you spamming this thread full of things you already said before has nothing to do with it, and neither has the fact that BE let people like Fragm join.

Also, i guess the alck of respect doesn't lie in the fact that BE sits at gates at 150km with 15 bs shooting frigs and run when a corp actually comes to fight them.

Also, the lack of repsect OF COURSE doesn't have ANYTHING to do with the fact that BE is one of the best localspamming corps in the game.

Hmm, considering all of this, i think you're right.

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Retard,

Look at the kill boards before you talk about things you know nothing about. Majority of our kills are Battleships, and actualy our ratio leans much heavier towards battleships than most others.

FragM, did NOT join he was CEO and much better than you or your kind ever were or will be.

Our corp has about 12 members, and some of their alts. You do the math we dont BLOB like you noobs, if you saw 15 of us in local that would mean we were about to take over all of CURSE and GW combined. And it would also mean you noobs would need to bring a fleet of 100 just to think of engaging us.

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Originally by: Foyle

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I saw Abdalion is on duty this evening....... maybe he can put this thread out of its misery.

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Originally by: Reiisha

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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In this game ppl only respect corps/alliances they can/have beaten. Hence no one has any respect for us.

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Oh, so i guess cases like you spamming this thread full of things you already said before has nothing to do with it, and neither has the fact that BE let people like Fragm join.

Also, i guess the alck of respect doesn't lie in the fact that BE sits at gates at 150km with 15 bs shooting frigs and run when a corp actually comes to fight them.

Also, the lack of repsect OF COURSE doesn't have ANYTHING to do with the fact that BE is one of the best localspamming corps in the game.

Hmm, considering all of this, i think you're right.

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Originally by: Lord Draco

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Originally by: Kickass

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Originally by: Reiisha

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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In this game ppl only respect corps/alliances they can/have beaten. Hence no one has any respect for us.

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Oh, so i guess cases like you spamming this thread full of things you already said before has nothing to do with it, and neither has the fact that BE let people like Fragm join.

Also, i guess the alck of respect doesn't lie in the fact that BE sits at gates at 150km with 15 bs shooting frigs and run when a corp actually comes to fight them.

Also, the lack of repsect OF COURSE doesn't have ANYTHING to do with the fact that BE is one of the best localspamming corps in the game.

Hmm, considering all of this, i think you're right.

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Retard,

Look at the kill boards before you talk about things you know nothing about. Majority of our kills are Battleships, and actualy our ratio leans much heavier towards battleships than most others.

FragM, did NOT join he was CEO and much better than you or your kind ever were or will be.

Our corp has about 12 members, and some of their alts. You do the math we dont BLOB like you noobs, if you saw 15 of us in local that would mean we were about to take over all of CURSE and GW combined. And it would also mean you noobs would need to bring a fleet of 100 just to think of engaging us.

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LOL, I remember you on ts with your high-pitched childish voice swearing at Foyle. You sounded like the nubs I *****slap on Xbox live. In fact, I am sure you are one.

You tried blobing, you tried taking the wildlands, remember? How long did that last? All three of your then rubbish corps got beat down so bad you left the area entirely. Then made another (failed) alliance.

So what, now you reinvent yourself with your minimalstic pvp stunts and think you got good? Your three man corp. can rub your ego on killing ppl npc'ing or traveling. I hate to break it to you, but ALL of Eve knows what you are. ALL of Eve knows how you play. Coming on the forums and boasting about your feeble accomplishments only enhances your already deeply engrained image. Let me clue you in on something else. All that matters in Eve is respect. You have none. Go figure.......

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Originally by: Sassinak

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Edited by: Sassinak on 10/05/2005 12:28:11
blah blah....

Shin ra, please, like, just. hush?

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